"Unarmed" Black Man Killed By Two White Officers In Atlanta Last Night

[harmonica]

Dash cam footage released, Wendy's set on fire after killing of Rayshard Brooks

Protesters shut down portions of I-85 Saturday night and vandalized the Wendy's where Rayshard Brooks was shot and killed by police Friday night.

www.fox5atlanta.com

Apologies if the video does not work but you can find them on twitter.

I put "unarmed" because that is the narrative and yet he clearly physically fought the officers and stole their taser. They shot him while running away. Atlanta will burn again tonight and probably several other cities.

It will be interesting to see how the media plays this. He was being arrested for DUI and CLEARLY fights the officers and CLEARLY steals their taser. But then they shoot him while running away which I am sure will cause the uproar. I ask the simple question of why people think it is okay to and then celebrate people blatantly fighting law enforcement? The disregard for authority and the fact that people think they are above rules was a problem with a generation in this country BEFORE George Floyd. Now? Forget it. I am sure the massive anti-police narrative fueled this guy's fire here in his fight of the officers. That or he was just drunk/stoned out of his mind.

From the cops perspective...I do not know what the "playbook" says if a perp steals their taser. It probably says shoot. Did they have to shoot if he is running away? Probably not. It is hard to see who shoots him...is it a cop out of the screen who the perp is running towards? That changes things completely. The anti-police movement will say they could have shot him in the leg. I will say the asshole could have not fought the officers and stole their taser.

You can't shoot someone who is running away unless he poses an imminent threat to someone else, and trying to shoot someone in the leg as he is running away only works in the movies. If they had shot him during the struggle they could reasonably have claimed self defense since the guy is obviously very strong, but once he got away from them, even with the taser, and no longer posed an imminent threat to anyone else, the shooting was not justified. These cops needed better training.

We just need better cops period. Quite hiring waify pussies to fill a quota, PC, and otherwise, and start hiring men who can handle themselves in a fistfight.

.....doesn't matter--experts in their field kill hundreds of innocents--pilots and military--because humans aren't perfect

Yeah. It does matter. " Shit happens" doesn't cut it from my emoloyees.

1. your employees work with criminals?
2.you or your employees never made a mistake? = BUUUUUUULLLLLSSSHIIIIT

When my employees fuck up, they're held to account. Don't believe me? Fill out an application. I had two spots open up just this week.

there is not a problem with police brutality

there is no police brutality problem

..there are 10 MILLION arrests per year--this is not counting traffic stops ..there are 30 million calls for police assistance ..and how many without--a--question--police caused murder/manslaughter deaths ??? let's go high and say 30 [ and 30 is a lot more than there really is ] ..that's 1...

www.usmessageboard.com

Do you have a point?

there is not a problem of police brutality
hahahahahhahahaha

 

[Vastator]

Dash cam footage released, Wendy's set on fire after killing of Rayshard Brooks

Protesters shut down portions of I-85 Saturday night and vandalized the Wendy's where Rayshard Brooks was shot and killed by police Friday night.

www.fox5atlanta.com

Apologies if the video does not work but you can find them on twitter.

I put "unarmed" because that is the narrative and yet he clearly physically fought the officers and stole their taser. They shot him while running away. Atlanta will burn again tonight and probably several other cities.

It will be interesting to see how the media plays this. He was being arrested for DUI and CLEARLY fights the officers and CLEARLY steals their taser. But then they shoot him while running away which I am sure will cause the uproar. I ask the simple question of why people think it is okay to and then celebrate people blatantly fighting law enforcement? The disregard for authority and the fact that people think they are above rules was a problem with a generation in this country BEFORE George Floyd. Now? Forget it. I am sure the massive anti-police narrative fueled this guy's fire here in his fight of the officers. That or he was just drunk/stoned out of his mind.

From the cops perspective...I do not know what the "playbook" says if a perp steals their taser. It probably says shoot. Did they have to shoot if he is running away? Probably not. It is hard to see who shoots him...is it a cop out of the screen who the perp is running towards? That changes things completely. The anti-police movement will say they could have shot him in the leg. I will say the asshole could have not fought the officers and stole their taser.

You can't shoot someone who is running away unless he poses an imminent threat to someone else, and trying to shoot someone in the leg as he is running away only works in the movies. If they had shot him during the struggle they could reasonably have claimed self defense since the guy is obviously very strong, but once he got away from them, even with the taser, and no longer posed an imminent threat to anyone else, the shooting was not justified. These cops needed better training.

We just need better cops period. Quite hiring waify pussies to fill a quota, PC, and otherwise, and start hiring men who can handle themselves in a fistfight.

.....doesn't matter--experts in their field kill hundreds of innocents--pilots and military--because humans aren't perfect

Yeah. It does matter. " Shit happens" doesn't cut it from my emoloyees.

1. your employees work with criminals?
2.you or your employees never made a mistake? = BUUUUUUULLLLLSSSHIIIIT

When my employees fuck up, they're held to account. Don't believe me? Fill out an application. I had two spots open up just this week.

yes..sure...what field of work is that?

Commercial real estate.

 

[WEATHER53]

Dash cam footage released, Wendy's set on fire after killing of Rayshard Brooks

Protesters shut down portions of I-85 Saturday night and vandalized the Wendy's where Rayshard Brooks was shot and killed by police Friday night.

www.fox5atlanta.com

Apologies if the video does not work but you can find them on twitter.

I put "unarmed" because that is the narrative and yet he clearly physically fought the officers and stole their taser. They shot him while running away. Atlanta will burn again tonight and probably several other cities.

It will be interesting to see how the media plays this. He was being arrested for DUI and CLEARLY fights the officers and CLEARLY steals their taser. But then they shoot him while running away which I am sure will cause the uproar. I ask the simple question of why people think it is okay to and then celebrate people blatantly fighting law enforcement? The disregard for authority and the fact that people think they are above rules was a problem with a generation in this country BEFORE George Floyd. Now? Forget it. I am sure the massive anti-police narrative fueled this guy's fire here in his fight of the officers. That or he was just drunk/stoned out of his mind.

From the cops perspective...I do not know what the "playbook" says if a perp steals their taser. It probably says shoot. Did they have to shoot if he is running away? Probably not. It is hard to see who shoots him...is it a cop out of the screen who the perp is running towards? That changes things completely. The anti-police movement will say they could have shot him in the leg. I will say the asshole could have not fought the officers and stole their taser.

You can't shoot someone who is running away unless he poses an imminent threat to someone else, and trying to shoot someone in the leg as he is running away only works in the movies. If they had shot him during the struggle they could reasonably have claimed self defense since the guy is obviously very strong, but once he got away from them, even with the taser, and no longer posed an imminent threat to anyone else, the shooting was not justified. These cops needed better training.

We just need better cops period. Quite hiring waify pussies to fill a quota, PC, and otherwise, and start hiring men who can handle themselves in a fistfight.

I disagree. Cops have guns, tasers batons to give them an advantage over belligerent suspects. With proper training, two female cops could have brought this guy down and taken him into custody without having to shoot him.

Once again, feelings offered via wishes and speculation and not facts
Lib 101

 

[justoffal]

One way to stop that from happening is to be a law-abiding citizen. It won't work 100% of the time but then again nothing does. Your premise seems to assume that we have a right to do anything up till and unless there is a brick wall there to stop us from doing it. Oregon would also assumes that because I am bigger and stronger I can do whatever I please to you and merely insist upon my civil rights when the police show up.

First, what happened to the legal principle of "innocent until proven guilty". Look at when John Hinckley shot Ronald Reagan. You had a whole army of armed men seeing a gunman shoot three people, yet not a single shot was fired by the police or the secret service. And the gunman was taken down unharmed.

If there was ever a situation where shooting a suspect was warranted, that was it. Yet they didn't shoot Hinckley, they didn't put him in a choke hold.

Not an equal situation. Hinckley was within ten feet of a dozen SS men who tackled him immediately. He had no escape route....if he did and he was running....he would absolutely have been shot.

Jo

 

[WEATHER53]

Did they have to shoot if he was running away? Hey! Here's a novel idea, if a criminal says....I'm not coming with you and walks or runs away, the new police policy should be.....oh well, let's let him go because he doesn't want to go. Burglary of a residence....no problem, just tell the cops you aren't going to jail and walk away. Raping a woman...no problem, just tell them you're leaving and walk away, because you're black and no matter what you do, you're not allowed to be arrested and put in jail....because you're not an equal in society, you're special (usually because of stupidity).

What of the opposite? A person is caught shop lifting. Kill him on the spot. He won't do that again. DUI? As soon as he stops, pop a cap in his head, again he won't endanger the public again. It would certainly cut down on crime if people knew that any violation of law carried the death penalty.

One way to stop that from happening is to be a law-abiding citizen. It won't work 100% of the time but then again nothing does. Your premise seems to assume that we have a right to do anything up till and unless there is a brick wall there to stop us from doing it. Your premise would also assume that because I am bigger and stronger I can do whatever I please to you and merely insist upon my civil rights when the police show up.

The ugly Truth here is that's some people don't learn anything until they are made to learn it. An equally ugly Truth is that some Gene pools are less likely to learn moral lessons leading to the respect of the people and property of other individuals than others are.

Take heart.... To this day in Iran if you are caught shoplifting you lose the offending hand. Better than losing your head I suppose.

Jo

Law abiding citizenry is 99.9% effective in being not killed by police. It’s also very easy to do but belligerent criminal assholes and their supporters can’t abide by it.

 

[LuckyDuck]

Did they have to shoot if he was running away? Hey! Here's a novel idea, if a criminal says....I'm not coming with you and walks or runs away, the new police policy should be.....oh well, let's let him go because he doesn't want to go. Burglary of a residence....no problem, just tell the cops you aren't going to jail and walk away. Raping a woman...no problem, just tell them you're leaving and walk away, because you're black and no matter what you do, you're not allowed to be arrested and put in jail....because you're not an equal in society, you're special (usually because of stupidity).

What of the opposite? A person is caught shop lifting. Kill him on the spot. He won't do that again. DUI? As soon as he stops, pop a cap in his head, again he won't endanger the public again. It would certainly cut down on crime if people knew that any violation of law carried the death penalty.

One way to stop that from happening is to be a law-abiding citizen. It won't work 100% of the time but then again nothing does. Your premise seems to assume that we have a right to do anything up till and unless there is a brick wall there to stop us from doing it. Your premise would also assume that because I am bigger and stronger I can do whatever I please to you and merely insist upon my civil rights when the police show up.

The ugly Truth here is that's some people don't learn anything until they are made to learn it. An equally ugly Truth is that some Gene pools are less likely to learn moral lessons leading to the respect of the people and property of other individuals than others are.

Take heart.... To this day in Iran if you are caught shoplifting you lose the offending hand. Better than losing your head I suppose.

Jo

Islam's punishment for theft is and has been, the ONLY Islamic law that I would like to have seen implemented on our soil. You cut off a hand and make it illegal for them to possess a prosthetic replacement and it would only take being caught twice for theft and then their penchant for stealing would be severely diminished.
The other thing that would be nice to see is an end to this nonsense of the revolving court door, where the criminal gets a slap on the wrist and then is back on the streets, laughing at the system and committing crimes again. If someone gets caught with a stolen gun, that individual gets a few months or couple of years and is back on the street later, possessing another stolen gun and committing crimes with it. If you are caught with a stolen gun, it should be off with a hand, tossed in prison and the key thrown away. Once the word gets out that such a punishment is mandatory, burglars might steal a TV, in the hopes of getting away with it, but they'd most likely leave the owners firearms alone.

 

[harmonica]

Dash cam footage released, Wendy's set on fire after killing of Rayshard Brooks

Protesters shut down portions of I-85 Saturday night and vandalized the Wendy's where Rayshard Brooks was shot and killed by police Friday night.

www.fox5atlanta.com

Apologies if the video does not work but you can find them on twitter.

I put "unarmed" because that is the narrative and yet he clearly physically fought the officers and stole their taser. They shot him while running away. Atlanta will burn again tonight and probably several other cities.

It will be interesting to see how the media plays this. He was being arrested for DUI and CLEARLY fights the officers and CLEARLY steals their taser. But then they shoot him while running away which I am sure will cause the uproar. I ask the simple question of why people think it is okay to and then celebrate people blatantly fighting law enforcement? The disregard for authority and the fact that people think they are above rules was a problem with a generation in this country BEFORE George Floyd. Now? Forget it. I am sure the massive anti-police narrative fueled this guy's fire here in his fight of the officers. That or he was just drunk/stoned out of his mind.

From the cops perspective...I do not know what the "playbook" says if a perp steals their taser. It probably says shoot. Did they have to shoot if he is running away? Probably not. It is hard to see who shoots him...is it a cop out of the screen who the perp is running towards? That changes things completely. The anti-police movement will say they could have shot him in the leg. I will say the asshole could have not fought the officers and stole their taser.

You can't shoot someone who is running away unless he poses an imminent threat to someone else, and trying to shoot someone in the leg as he is running away only works in the movies. If they had shot him during the struggle they could reasonably have claimed self defense since the guy is obviously very strong, but once he got away from them, even with the taser, and no longer posed an imminent threat to anyone else, the shooting was not justified. These cops needed better training.

We just need better cops period. Quite hiring waify pussies to fill a quota, PC, and otherwise, and start hiring men who can handle themselves in a fistfight.

.....doesn't matter--experts in their field kill hundreds of innocents--pilots and military--because humans aren't perfect

Yeah. It does matter. " Shit happens" doesn't cut it from my emoloyees.

1. your employees work with criminals?
2.you or your employees never made a mistake? = BUUUUUUULLLLLSSSHIIIIT

When my employees fuck up, they're held to account. Don't believe me? Fill out an application. I had two spots open up just this week.

yes..sure...what field of work is that?

Commercial real estate.

...wow--I bet you deal with jackass criminals that resist arrest everyday ....?

 

[LuckyDuck]

Did they have to shoot if he was running away? Hey! Here's a novel idea, if a criminal says....I'm not coming with you and walks or runs away, the new police policy should be.....oh well, let's let him go because he doesn't want to go. Burglary of a residence....no problem, just tell the cops you aren't going to jail and walk away. Raping a woman...no problem, just tell them you're leaving and walk away, because you're black and no matter what you do, you're not allowed to be arrested and put in jail....because you're not an equal in society, you're special (usually because of stupidity).

What of the opposite? A person is caught shop lifting. Kill him on the spot. He won't do that again. DUI? As soon as he stops, pop a cap in his head, again he won't endanger the public again. It would certainly cut down on crime if people knew that any violation of law carried the death penalty.

One way to stop that from happening is to be a law-abiding citizen. It won't work 100% of the time but then again nothing does. Your premise seems to assume that we have a right to do anything up till and unless there is a brick wall there to stop us from doing it. Your premise would also assume that because I am bigger and stronger I can do whatever I please to you and merely insist upon my civil rights when the police show up.

The ugly Truth here is that's some people don't learn anything until they are made to learn it. An equally ugly Truth is that some Gene pools are less likely to learn moral lessons leading to the respect of the people and property of other individuals than others are.

Take heart.... To this day in Iran if you are caught shoplifting you lose the offending hand. Better than losing your head I suppose.

Jo

Law abiding citizenry is 99.9% effective in being not killed by police. It’s also very easy to do but belligerent criminal assholes and their supporters can’t abide by it.

I'm leaning towards a New Constitutional Amendment, which allows the federal government to strip citizens of their citizenship and deport repeat offenders to other nations. In the case of black offenders, the nation of Ghana, has said they would like to have American blacks emigrate there, so we could send all repeat offending black criminals there with a one-way ticket and warning to not return. As for repeat offending Hispanics, well, Venezuela would be nice for them. Repeat offending Asians can be sent off to China or North Korea. Repeat offending whites, Siberia, they've stated that they need people anyway. This nation ought to then thin out pretty nicely. Aaaahh...if only.

 

[harmonica]

..it's like combat----you can train for months/etc--but it's not the real thing.....so the cops are basically dealing with a jackass resisting criminal for the first time and/or with not much experience = ''new experience'' = SO-mistakes will be made
...along with the evidence in my thread about police brutality, the police are doing a GREAT job
...it is not like selling real estate or making bread--it is dealing with jackasses that don't want to be arrested/etc

 

[meaner gene]

Look at when John Hinckley shot Ronald Reagan. You had a whole army of armed men seeing a gunman shoot three people, yet not a single shot was fired by the police or the secret service. And the gunman was taken down unharmed.

If there was ever a situation where shooting a suspect was warranted, that was it. Yet they didn't shoot Hinckley, they didn't put him in a choke hold.

Not an equal situation. Hinckley was within ten feet of a dozen SS men who tackled him immediately. He had no escape route....if he did and he was running....he would absolutely have been shot.

Jo

If there was ever a situation where somebody was a danger to the public it was John Hinckley. He just shot the president and two other people. The secret service was armed with automatic weapons, yet they didn't use them to stop an assassin.

If being a danger is justification to use deadly force, why didn't they use that justification?

 

[Vastator]

Dash cam footage released, Wendy's set on fire after killing of Rayshard Brooks

Protesters shut down portions of I-85 Saturday night and vandalized the Wendy's where Rayshard Brooks was shot and killed by police Friday night.

www.fox5atlanta.com

Apologies if the video does not work but you can find them on twitter.

I put "unarmed" because that is the narrative and yet he clearly physically fought the officers and stole their taser. They shot him while running away. Atlanta will burn again tonight and probably several other cities.

It will be interesting to see how the media plays this. He was being arrested for DUI and CLEARLY fights the officers and CLEARLY steals their taser. But then they shoot him while running away which I am sure will cause the uproar. I ask the simple question of why people think it is okay to and then celebrate people blatantly fighting law enforcement? The disregard for authority and the fact that people think they are above rules was a problem with a generation in this country BEFORE George Floyd. Now? Forget it. I am sure the massive anti-police narrative fueled this guy's fire here in his fight of the officers. That or he was just drunk/stoned out of his mind.

From the cops perspective...I do not know what the "playbook" says if a perp steals their taser. It probably says shoot. Did they have to shoot if he is running away? Probably not. It is hard to see who shoots him...is it a cop out of the screen who the perp is running towards? That changes things completely. The anti-police movement will say they could have shot him in the leg. I will say the asshole could have not fought the officers and stole their taser.

You can't shoot someone who is running away unless he poses an imminent threat to someone else, and trying to shoot someone in the leg as he is running away only works in the movies. If they had shot him during the struggle they could reasonably have claimed self defense since the guy is obviously very strong, but once he got away from them, even with the taser, and no longer posed an imminent threat to anyone else, the shooting was not justified. These cops needed better training.

We just need better cops period. Quite hiring waify pussies to fill a quota, PC, and otherwise, and start hiring men who can handle themselves in a fistfight.

.....doesn't matter--experts in their field kill hundreds of innocents--pilots and military--because humans aren't perfect

Yeah. It does matter. " Shit happens" doesn't cut it from my emoloyees.

1. your employees work with criminals?
2.you or your employees never made a mistake? = BUUUUUUULLLLLSSSHIIIIT

When my employees fuck up, they're held to account. Don't believe me? Fill out an application. I had two spots open up just this week.

yes..sure...what field of work is that?

Commercial real estate.

...wow--I bet you deal with jackass criminals that resist arrest everyday ....?

Used to...

 

[pknopp]

I've seen them call a thug with a brick in one hand and a machete in the other "UNARMED".

I don't call that unarmed!

It doesn't matter if he had the taser...
Reaching for it makes him Technically
Armed.

Jo

He was attempting to stop them from using it on him. Does that make for additional charges? Yes. Does that give you the excuse to shoot someone while running away? No.

I'm not totally unsympathetic to your argument. However if we must live with enforcement we must also accept the fact that that enforcement is not going to be perfect. Eventually some form of restraint system will have to be developed that allows for the containment of physically large
Detainees who have decided that they are not going to cooperate. Then when that restraint system causes a fatality there will be more marches. if everyone learns that all you need to do to prevent yourself from being arrested is to resist then the arrest powers of the police no longer have any bearing on the enforcement angle.
In effect we lose the enforcement altogether.

Jo

....EXPERTS in their fields kill HUNDREDS of innocents = pilots and military-because they are HUMAN
..you can have the best trained and smart person as a cop--he can and will make a mistake
...these idiots saying the cops should do it differently would do the same things

Are you really saying that you would have just stayed there with your knee on George Taylor's neck for nearly nine minutes while everyone was telling you something was wrong?

 

[toomuchtime_]

I've seen them call a thug with a brick in one hand and a machete in the other "UNARMED".

I don't call that unarmed!

It doesn't matter if he had the taser...
Reaching for it makes him Technically
Armed.

Jo

He was attempting to stop them from using it on him. Does that make for additional charges? Yes. Does that give you the excuse to shoot someone while running away? No.

I'm not totally unsympathetic to your argument. However if we must live with enforcement we must also accept the fact that that enforcement is not going to be perfect. Eventually some form of restraint system will have to be developed that allows for the containment of physically large
Detainees who have decided that they are not going to cooperate. Then when that restraint system causes a fatality there will be more marches. if everyone learns that all you need to do to prevent yourself from being arrested is to resist then the arrest powers of the police no longer have any bearing on the enforcement angle.
In effect we lose the enforcement altogether.

Jo

....EXPERTS in their fields kill HUNDREDS of innocents = pilots and military-because they are HUMAN
..you can have the best trained and smart person as a cop--he can and will make a mistake
...these idiots saying the cops should do it differently would do the same things

Are you really saying that you would have just stayed there with your knee on George Taylor's neck for nearly nine minutes while everyone was telling you something was wrong?

Floyd died of natural causes, sudden cardiac arrest, while in police custody. The knee on his neck was nowhere near his carotid arteries or larynx so it was irrelevant to his death.

 

[pknopp]

I've seen them call a thug with a brick in one hand and a machete in the other "UNARMED".

I don't call that unarmed!

It doesn't matter if he had the taser...
Reaching for it makes him Technically
Armed.

Jo

He was attempting to stop them from using it on him. Does that make for additional charges? Yes. Does that give you the excuse to shoot someone while running away? No.

I'm not totally unsympathetic to your argument. However if we must live with enforcement we must also accept the fact that that enforcement is not going to be perfect. Eventually some form of restraint system will have to be developed that allows for the containment of physically large
Detainees who have decided that they are not going to cooperate. Then when that restraint system causes a fatality there will be more marches. if everyone learns that all you need to do to prevent yourself from being arrested is to resist then the arrest powers of the police no longer have any bearing on the enforcement angle.
In effect we lose the enforcement altogether.

Jo

....EXPERTS in their fields kill HUNDREDS of innocents = pilots and military-because they are HUMAN
..you can have the best trained and smart person as a cop--he can and will make a mistake
...these idiots saying the cops should do it differently would do the same things

Are you really saying that you would have just stayed there with your knee on George Taylor's neck for nearly nine minutes while everyone was telling you something was wrong?

Floyd died of natural causes, sudden cardiac arrest, while in police custody. The knee on his neck was nowhere near his carotid arteries or larynx so it was irrelevant to his death.

You intentionally avoided answering my question. Would you have stayed there with your knee on someone's neck for nearly 9 minutes while everyone was telling you something was wrong?

 

[harmonica]

Look at when John Hinckley shot Ronald Reagan. You had a whole army of armed men seeing a gunman shoot three people, yet not a single shot was fired by the police or the secret service. And the gunman was taken down unharmed.

If there was ever a situation where shooting a suspect was warranted, that was it. Yet they didn't shoot Hinckley, they didn't put him in a choke hold.

Not an equal situation. Hinckley was within ten feet of a dozen SS men who tackled him immediately. He had no escape route....if he did and he was running....he would absolutely have been shot.

Jo

If there was ever a situation where somebody was a danger to the public it was John Hinckley. He just shot the president and two other people. The secret service was armed with automatic weapons, yet they didn't use them to stop an assassin.

If being a danger is justification to use deadly force, why didn't they use that justification?

1.the police don't always shoot first
...with Alton Sterling, they tried everything non-lethal before they shot him
...they gave Keith Scott REPEATED verbal commands to drop the weapon--they did not ''shoot first'''
etc many examples
2.Hinckley was out of rounds [ bullets in civilian language ] --he wasn't a danger
3. hahahahah--there were lots of people around--hahhahahahaha
..you are way off target

 

[harmonica]

I've seen them call a thug with a brick in one hand and a machete in the other "UNARMED".

I don't call that unarmed!

It doesn't matter if he had the taser...
Reaching for it makes him Technically
Armed.

Jo

He was attempting to stop them from using it on him. Does that make for additional charges? Yes. Does that give you the excuse to shoot someone while running away? No.

I'm not totally unsympathetic to your argument. However if we must live with enforcement we must also accept the fact that that enforcement is not going to be perfect. Eventually some form of restraint system will have to be developed that allows for the containment of physically large
Detainees who have decided that they are not going to cooperate. Then when that restraint system causes a fatality there will be more marches. if everyone learns that all you need to do to prevent yourself from being arrested is to resist then the arrest powers of the police no longer have any bearing on the enforcement angle.
In effect we lose the enforcement altogether.

Jo

....EXPERTS in their fields kill HUNDREDS of innocents = pilots and military-because they are HUMAN
..you can have the best trained and smart person as a cop--he can and will make a mistake
...these idiots saying the cops should do it differently would do the same things

Are you really saying that you would have just stayed there with your knee on George Taylor's neck for nearly nine minutes while everyone was telling you something was wrong?

Floyd died of natural causes, sudden cardiac arrest, while in police custody. The knee on his neck was nowhere near his carotid arteries or larynx so it was irrelevant to his death.

You intentionally avoided answering my question. Would you have stayed there with your knee on someone's neck for nearly 9 minutes while everyone was telling you something was wrong?

...parents leave their kids in cars for hours and they die = mistake
...this was a mistake--humans do make mistakes

 

[harmonica]

I've seen them call a thug with a brick in one hand and a machete in the other "UNARMED".

I don't call that unarmed!

It doesn't matter if he had the taser...
Reaching for it makes him Technically
Armed.

Jo

He was attempting to stop them from using it on him. Does that make for additional charges? Yes. Does that give you the excuse to shoot someone while running away? No.

I'm not totally unsympathetic to your argument. However if we must live with enforcement we must also accept the fact that that enforcement is not going to be perfect. Eventually some form of restraint system will have to be developed that allows for the containment of physically large
Detainees who have decided that they are not going to cooperate. Then when that restraint system causes a fatality there will be more marches. if everyone learns that all you need to do to prevent yourself from being arrested is to resist then the arrest powers of the police no longer have any bearing on the enforcement angle.
In effect we lose the enforcement altogether.

Jo

....EXPERTS in their fields kill HUNDREDS of innocents = pilots and military-because they are HUMAN
..you can have the best trained and smart person as a cop--he can and will make a mistake
...these idiots saying the cops should do it differently would do the same things

Are you really saying that you would have just stayed there with your knee on George Taylor's neck for nearly nine minutes while everyone was telling you something was wrong?

Floyd died of natural causes, sudden cardiac arrest, while in police custody. The knee on his neck was nowhere near his carotid arteries or larynx so it was irrelevant to his death.

You intentionally avoided answering my question. Would you have stayed there with your knee on someone's neck for nearly 9 minutes while everyone was telling you something was wrong?

....he was trying to restrain him because he was a jackass resister--I would not let him go

 

[pknopp]

Look at when John Hinckley shot Ronald Reagan. You had a whole army of armed men seeing a gunman shoot three people, yet not a single shot was fired by the police or the secret service. And the gunman was taken down unharmed.

If there was ever a situation where shooting a suspect was warranted, that was it. Yet they didn't shoot Hinckley, they didn't put him in a choke hold.

Not an equal situation. Hinckley was within ten feet of a dozen SS men who tackled him immediately. He had no escape route....if he did and he was running....he would absolutely have been shot.

Jo

If there was ever a situation where somebody was a danger to the public it was John Hinckley. He just shot the president and two other people. The secret service was armed with automatic weapons, yet they didn't use them to stop an assassin.

If being a danger is justification to use deadly force, why didn't they use that justification?

1.the police don't always shoot first
...with Alton Sterling, they tried everything non-lethal before they shot him
...they gave Keith Scott REPEATED verbal commands to drop the weapon--they did not ''shoot first'''
etc many examples
2.Hinckley was out of rounds [ bullets in civilian language ] --he wasn't a danger
3. hahahahah--there were lots of people around--hahhahahahaha
..you are way off target

Sterling was targeted for selling CD's and being armed. Both legal activities that are carried out by many people every weekend at flea markets.

Leave people like that alone.

 

[toomuchtime_]

I've seen them call a thug with a brick in one hand and a machete in the other "UNARMED".

I don't call that unarmed!

It doesn't matter if he had the taser...
Reaching for it makes him Technically
Armed.

Jo

He was attempting to stop them from using it on him. Does that make for additional charges? Yes. Does that give you the excuse to shoot someone while running away? No.

I'm not totally unsympathetic to your argument. However if we must live with enforcement we must also accept the fact that that enforcement is not going to be perfect. Eventually some form of restraint system will have to be developed that allows for the containment of physically large
Detainees who have decided that they are not going to cooperate. Then when that restraint system causes a fatality there will be more marches. if everyone learns that all you need to do to prevent yourself from being arrested is to resist then the arrest powers of the police no longer have any bearing on the enforcement angle.
In effect we lose the enforcement altogether.

Jo

....EXPERTS in their fields kill HUNDREDS of innocents = pilots and military-because they are HUMAN
..you can have the best trained and smart person as a cop--he can and will make a mistake
...these idiots saying the cops should do it differently would do the same things

Are you really saying that you would have just stayed there with your knee on George Taylor's neck for nearly nine minutes while everyone was telling you something was wrong?

Floyd died of natural causes, sudden cardiac arrest, while in police custody. The knee on his neck was nowhere near his carotid arteries or larynx so it was irrelevant to his death.

You intentionally avoided answering my question. Would you have stayed there with your knee on someone's neck for nearly 9 minutes while everyone was telling you something was wrong?

It was a judgement call. It was only two minutes since he stopped struggling, and since the purpose of holding him down was to give him time to calm down, it was a good sign that he stopped struggling. No one at the scene realized he had already died from sudden cardiac arrest. Again, since the knee on his neck did not contribute to his death, it was irrelevant whether the cops let him up as soon and he stopped struggling or two minutes later.

 

[pknopp]

I've seen them call a thug with a brick in one hand and a machete in the other "UNARMED".

I don't call that unarmed!

It doesn't matter if he had the taser...
Reaching for it makes him Technically
Armed.

Jo

He was attempting to stop them from using it on him. Does that make for additional charges? Yes. Does that give you the excuse to shoot someone while running away? No.

I'm not totally unsympathetic to your argument. However if we must live with enforcement we must also accept the fact that that enforcement is not going to be perfect. Eventually some form of restraint system will have to be developed that allows for the containment of physically large
Detainees who have decided that they are not going to cooperate. Then when that restraint system causes a fatality there will be more marches. if everyone learns that all you need to do to prevent yourself from being arrested is to resist then the arrest powers of the police no longer have any bearing on the enforcement angle.
In effect we lose the enforcement altogether.

Jo

....EXPERTS in their fields kill HUNDREDS of innocents = pilots and military-because they are HUMAN
..you can have the best trained and smart person as a cop--he can and will make a mistake
...these idiots saying the cops should do it differently would do the same things

Are you really saying that you would have just stayed there with your knee on George Taylor's neck for nearly nine minutes while everyone was telling you something was wrong?

Floyd died of natural causes, sudden cardiac arrest, while in police custody. The knee on his neck was nowhere near his carotid arteries or larynx so it was irrelevant to his death.

You intentionally avoided answering my question. Would you have stayed there with your knee on someone's neck for nearly 9 minutes while everyone was telling you something was wrong?

....he was trying to restrain him because he was a jackass resister--I would not let him go

He was restrained. You don't even believe what you say. If you prefer prison over forgoing ignorance, so be it.