Under god

[JoeB131]

Maybe because back in 1864, everyone believed in a magic sky pixie but today not everyone does?

Are you claiming that everyone in America was a Christian in 1864, Joe? Tell us how you know this. I believe you are mistaken.

No, not everyone us, but the WASP's had the political clout to bully not only the non-Christians, but the Christians who didn't go to the right church (Catholics, Mormons, etc.)

 

[pinqy]

Lincoln, ?Gettysburg Address,? Speech Text |

But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate-we can not consecrate-we can not hallow-this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us-that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion-that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain-that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom-and that government of the people, by the people, for the people shall not perish from the earth.

So why Mr. President, did you omit Under God while reading the words of Lincoln?

Oh, it gets worse...Obama added words to the Oath of office as well.

 

[Mustang]

President Eisenhower put Under God in the Pledge to differentiate America from the Godless communists in Russia. Who was to know that within one lifetime America would become Godless and religious freedom would be found in Russia?

The most godless people I've ever met in my life constantly invoke God's name.

 

[edthecynic]

Of course don't read the one Lincoln read and is engraved in the Lincoln Memorial.

Burns fault.

How could Lincoln read a version in 1863 that he didn't write until 1864???

Because you are wrong.

Lincoln gave the Gettysburg Address on Thursday, November 19, 1863 and he wrote the Bliss version after the Bancroft version which was written at the end of February 1864.

The Gettysburg Address by Abraham Lincoln

The Gettysburg Address

Gettysburg, Pennsylvania
November 19, 1863

Bancroft Copy As noted above, historian George Bancroft asked President Lincoln for a copy to use as a fundraiser for soldiers. When Lincoln sent his copy on February 29, 1864, he used both sides of the paper, rendering the manuscript useless for lithographic engraving. So Bancroft kept this copy and Lincoln had to produce an additional one (Bliss Copy).


Bliss Copy
Ever since Lincoln wrote it in 1864, this version has been the most often reproduced, notably on the walls of the Lincoln Memorial in Washington. It is named after Colonel Alexander Bliss, stepson of historian George Bancroft. Bancroft asked President Lincoln for a copy to use as a fundraiser for soldiers (see "Bancroft Copy" below). However, because Lincoln wrote on both sides of the paper, the speech could not be reprinted, so Lincoln made another copy at Bliss's request. It is the last known copy written by Lincoln and the only one signed and dated by him.

 

[OODA_Loop]

How could Lincoln read a version in 1863 that he didn't write until 1864???

Because you are wrong.

Lincoln gave the Gettysburg Address on Thursday, November 19, 1863 and he wrote the Bliss version after the Bancroft version which was written at the end of February 1864.

The Gettysburg Address by Abraham Lincoln

The Gettysburg Address

Gettysburg, Pennsylvania
November 19, 1863

Bancroft Copy As noted above, historian George Bancroft asked President Lincoln for a copy to use as a fundraiser for soldiers. When Lincoln sent his copy on February 29, 1864, he used both sides of the paper, rendering the manuscript useless for lithographic engraving. So Bancroft kept this copy and Lincoln had to produce an additional one (Bliss Copy).


Bliss Copy
Ever since Lincoln wrote it in 1864, this version has been the most often reproduced, notably on the walls of the Lincoln Memorial in Washington. It is named after Colonel Alexander Bliss, stepson of historian George Bancroft. Bancroft asked President Lincoln for a copy to use as a fundraiser for soldiers (see "Bancroft Copy" below). However, because Lincoln wrote on both sides of the paper, the speech could not be reprinted, so Lincoln made another copy at Bliss's request. It is the last known copy written by Lincoln and the only one signed and dated by him.

Exactly the Bliss (final) was the speech and official version inscribed in the monument.

Bliss = personal transcription of the speech signed post oratory..

 

[edthecynic]

Because you are wrong.

Lincoln gave the Gettysburg Address on Thursday, November 19, 1863 and he wrote the Bliss version after the Bancroft version which was written at the end of February 1864.

The Gettysburg Address by Abraham Lincoln

The Gettysburg Address

Gettysburg, Pennsylvania
November 19, 1863

Bancroft Copy As noted above, historian George Bancroft asked President Lincoln for a copy to use as a fundraiser for soldiers. When Lincoln sent his copy on February 29, 1864, he used both sides of the paper, rendering the manuscript useless for lithographic engraving. So Bancroft kept this copy and Lincoln had to produce an additional one (Bliss Copy).


Bliss Copy
Ever since Lincoln wrote it in 1864, this version has been the most often reproduced, notably on the walls of the Lincoln Memorial in Washington. It is named after Colonel Alexander Bliss, stepson of historian George Bancroft. Bancroft asked President Lincoln for a copy to use as a fundraiser for soldiers (see "Bancroft Copy" below). However, because Lincoln wrote on both sides of the paper, the speech could not be reprinted, so Lincoln made another copy at Bliss's request. It is the last known copy written by Lincoln and the only one signed and dated by him.

Exactly the Bliss (final) was the speech and official version inscribed in the monument.

Bliss = personal transcription of the speech signed post oratory..

But not the version that existed at the time Lincoln gave the address! If you remember, YOU claimed Lincoln READ the Bliss version at Gettysburg, which you now acknowledge was written "post oratory."

So I ask again, how could Lincoln read something that did not come into existence until after he gave his oration at Gettysburg???

 

[TemplarKormac]

There's multiple versions of the address

The one with "Under God" being the most widely acknowledged version. I know, I recited two paragraphs of the Gettysburg address in 4th grade.

 

[LoneLaugher]

There's multiple versions of the address

The one with "Under God" being the most widely acknowledged version. I know, I recited two paragraphs of the Gettysburg address in 4th grade.

Does the weakness of the above argument concern the author?

 

[Seawytch]

How do they all not get outrage fatigue?

 

[LoneLaugher]

How do they all not get outrage fatigue?

Hatred and fear are sources of energy, it seems.

 

[editec]

IF those words were in the original.sppech as given at the time, and IF Obama was quoting the original, THEN

YES, Obama has committed a scholarly faux pas.

NO really if he omitted those words, then BOOOOOOOOOOOOOO for him (regardless of what he thinks bout GOD)

 

[LoneLaugher]

IF those words were in the original.sppech as given at the time, and IF Obama was quoting the original, THEN

YES, Obama has committed a scholarly faux pas.

NO really if he omitted those words, then BOOOOOOOOOOOOOO for him (regardless of what he thinks bout GOD)

If? At this point in this discussion, you are qualifying your comments with "if"?

 

[OODA_Loop]

Lincoln gave the Gettysburg Address on Thursday, November 19, 1863 and he wrote the Bliss version after the Bancroft version which was written at the end of February 1864.

The Gettysburg Address by Abraham Lincoln

The Gettysburg Address

Gettysburg, Pennsylvania
November 19, 1863

Bancroft Copy As noted above, historian George Bancroft asked President Lincoln for a copy to use as a fundraiser for soldiers. When Lincoln sent his copy on February 29, 1864, he used both sides of the paper, rendering the manuscript useless for lithographic engraving. So Bancroft kept this copy and Lincoln had to produce an additional one (Bliss Copy).


Bliss Copy
Ever since Lincoln wrote it in 1864, this version has been the most often reproduced, notably on the walls of the Lincoln Memorial in Washington. It is named after Colonel Alexander Bliss, stepson of historian George Bancroft. Bancroft asked President Lincoln for a copy to use as a fundraiser for soldiers (see "Bancroft Copy" below). However, because Lincoln wrote on both sides of the paper, the speech could not be reprinted, so Lincoln made another copy at Bliss's request. It is the last known copy written by Lincoln and the only one signed and dated by him.

Exactly the Bliss (final) was the speech and official version inscribed in the monument.

Bliss = personal transcription of the speech signed post oratory..

But not the version that existed at the time Lincoln gave the address! If you remember, YOU claimed Lincoln READ the Bliss version at Gettysburg, which you now acknowledge was written "post oratory."

So I ask again, how could Lincoln read something that did not come into existence until after he gave his oration at Gettysburg???

What Lincoln orated was printed as the Bliss copy.

 

[hunarcy]

What Lincoln orated was printed as the Bliss copy.

Address delivered at the dedication of the cemetery at Gettysburg.


Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth, on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate—we can not consecrate—we can not hallow—this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us—that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they here gave the last full measure of devotion—that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain—that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom—and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

Abraham Lincoln

November 19, 1863.

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Gettysburg_Address_(Bliss_copy)

 

[LoneLaugher]

What Lincoln orated was printed as the Bliss copy.

Address delivered at the dedication of the cemetery at Gettysburg.


Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth, on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate—we can not consecrate—we can not hallow—this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us—that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they here gave the last full measure of devotion—that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain—that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom—and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

Abraham Lincoln

November 19, 1863.

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Gettysburg_Address_(Bliss_copy)

That is amazing! You must be like...... 170 years old or sumthin'!