2aguy
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In another thread, Ford union employees and their benefits were discussed as a way to say that if school vouchers were ever universal, teachers would suffer...and this is not true since the comparison between the Ford Union Employee and the Teacher union employee are not even close to being the same.
Ford union employees, at the end of the day, have to compete with other car companies for essentially "Car Vouchers" to put it one way. The voucher is essentially what you pay for your car...if they make a bad car you take your car "voucher" and buy a Toyota, or a Dodge, or a Kia....so the better the car company does, as assessed by how many "vouchers" they get, the more money the unions can legitimately demand.....and often get....
Teachers unions? They are completely disconnected from the end product ...the success of their students. If they last a few years, they get tenure, and cannot be fired, regardless if they are actually getting students to learn the subjects they are teaching. When you have a bad 2nd grade teacher, who passes through a student who can't read at grade level or do math at grade level...that "product", the student...goes forward anyway......and then they are behind in 3rd grade, and so on......so by the time the child drops out of high school.....you can't just pin it on one teacher...who you couldn't replace anyway....
School vouchers would change this dynamic...if a parent sees that their child is not learning, they can take that voucher to another school to get a better "product"...an educated child.....now, a teacher is accountable for the end product.....and the school they work for has a reason to hire the best teachers and to pay those teachers good salaries...since the teacher makes the product that gets the school the "voucher."
So comparing Ford Union employees to teacher's unions is not the right comparison...since one is private, and must create a competitive product, and the other is public sector with no connection to the end product.....
Ford union employees, at the end of the day, have to compete with other car companies for essentially "Car Vouchers" to put it one way. The voucher is essentially what you pay for your car...if they make a bad car you take your car "voucher" and buy a Toyota, or a Dodge, or a Kia....so the better the car company does, as assessed by how many "vouchers" they get, the more money the unions can legitimately demand.....and often get....
Teachers unions? They are completely disconnected from the end product ...the success of their students. If they last a few years, they get tenure, and cannot be fired, regardless if they are actually getting students to learn the subjects they are teaching. When you have a bad 2nd grade teacher, who passes through a student who can't read at grade level or do math at grade level...that "product", the student...goes forward anyway......and then they are behind in 3rd grade, and so on......so by the time the child drops out of high school.....you can't just pin it on one teacher...who you couldn't replace anyway....
School vouchers would change this dynamic...if a parent sees that their child is not learning, they can take that voucher to another school to get a better "product"...an educated child.....now, a teacher is accountable for the end product.....and the school they work for has a reason to hire the best teachers and to pay those teachers good salaries...since the teacher makes the product that gets the school the "voucher."
So comparing Ford Union employees to teacher's unions is not the right comparison...since one is private, and must create a competitive product, and the other is public sector with no connection to the end product.....