Update: The Illegal Alien Vote

[charwin95]

A california drivers license is only useable for voting in california. Which firewalls AB-60 voter registrations. So you can only use a California drivers license to vote in other states.

Maybe Americanchic has a point. People with AB-60 california drivers licenses, can use it to vote in the other 49 states.

From the AB-60 guide book. Seems to be fairly clear the politicians in California are telling everyone else, they don't give a crap.

If I applied for a driver’s license in California using a fake name or social security number in the past, will I be at risk if I apply for an AB 60 license?
The concern for anyone who used fake information in a prior driver’s license application to the DMV is that the DMV could refer the person to criminal prosecution for fraud. BUT the DMV’s current policy is not to refer anyone to criminal prosecution who previously applied for a license using false information so long as the false information did not cause any harm.

If I applied for a driver’s license in California using someone else’s social security number, will I be at risk if I apply for an AB 60 license?
The DMV’s current practice is not to refer people who have used false information to obtain a driver’s license for criminal prosecution unless that false information caused harm to others.

I have a deportation order, but I did not leave. Will this affect my ability to apply for an AB 60 license or place me at risk if I apply?
People with deportation orders, especially recent ones, may put themselves at risk of being discovered by ICE if they apply for an AB 60 license. Anyone ordered deported since January 1, 2014 is considered a priority for enforcement and deportation. While the DMV will not volunteer your information to ICE, if ICE is already looking for you and asks the DMV for information about you, the DMV will provide it. If you believe that ICE is looking for you, or if you have a recent deportation order, applying for an AB 60 license could place you at greater risk and is not advisable.

I am in removal proceedings. Will this affect my ability to apply for an AB 60 license or place me at risk?
Immigration history is not a factor in eligibility for an AB 60 license. The information that the DMV could share with ICE includes a person’s name, address, and photograph. Because you are already in removal proceedings, and assuming ICE already knows your name, address, and what you look like, there does not seem to be any risk to your immigration situation in applying for an AB 60 license.


I am eligible for deferred action (DAPA or expanded DACA) based on President Obama’s executive action. Should I apply for a license now or wait to see if I can apply for deferred action?

This is ultimately your decision. But the new deferred action programs have not begun yet. They are being litigated in court and it is unclear if or when they might start. Even once they do begin, it could take a long time before the applications are approved. In the meantime, if you get an AB 60 license now, you can drive lawfully while we wait for the deferred action process.

So? An AB-60 license cannot be used to register to vote. From that same document...

How can I use an AB 60 license?

An AB 60 license is valid for driving and for state ID purposes. An AB 60 license is not a federal ID and cannot be used for certain federal purposes, such as entering restricted parts of federal buildings. It does not give anyone the right to work, vote, or receive any benefits that the person wasn’t already eligible for. ​

How many government employees care enough to read the license....zero, ok, that may not be fair. How about 1 out of 100.

Pure nonsense. One out of 100? Prove it.

Are you saying that when these AB 60 people applied for federal aid, register to vote or anything they just give it away without even looking at the DL? Since when that is the norm?
How do the hell they even know the name without looking? I can assure you 100% that AB60 is only for driving benefits and to secure car insurance. Nothing more.
Are you aware that there are Republican observers at the polls?
Did you hear anyone from them witnessed any illegal or voting fraud? NONE.

Prove it !!! Really? When's the last time you went into a DMV?

About 5 weeks ago and my neighbor's son work at San Diego DMV.

One out of 100? Yes you need to prove it. Or yo just another liar.

 

[charwin95]

I have known plenty of immigrants, from Lithuania or Hungary. They came here legally and fled from valid threats, LEGALLY. Now, why can't Mexicans? They ignore our immigration laws because it's convenient for them? Is that how this works now?

Now, be fair to Mexicans.....they do it because Democrats tell 'em to.

"Most Illegal Immigrants Crossing Border Believe They Are Eligible for Legal Status. Obama’s Actions Make That No Surprise."
Most Illegal Immigrants Crossing Border Believe They Are Eligible for Legal Status


The half-heads arguing in this thread pretend they are surprised.

Coming from Daily Signal? An ultra hard right wing bias ----- mostly fake news. You've got to be kidding me.
Are you new here?

Really? Well before You, and I will probably here be long after you are gone and forgotten kiddo.

So why are you posting all these nonsense worthless bias link?
You should know better.

 

[Thinker101]

From the AB-60 guide book. Seems to be fairly clear the politicians in California are telling everyone else, they don't give a crap.

If I applied for a driver’s license in California using a fake name or social security number in the past, will I be at risk if I apply for an AB 60 license?
The concern for anyone who used fake information in a prior driver’s license application to the DMV is that the DMV could refer the person to criminal prosecution for fraud. BUT the DMV’s current policy is not to refer anyone to criminal prosecution who previously applied for a license using false information so long as the false information did not cause any harm.

If I applied for a driver’s license in California using someone else’s social security number, will I be at risk if I apply for an AB 60 license?
The DMV’s current practice is not to refer people who have used false information to obtain a driver’s license for criminal prosecution unless that false information caused harm to others.

I have a deportation order, but I did not leave. Will this affect my ability to apply for an AB 60 license or place me at risk if I apply?
People with deportation orders, especially recent ones, may put themselves at risk of being discovered by ICE if they apply for an AB 60 license. Anyone ordered deported since January 1, 2014 is considered a priority for enforcement and deportation. While the DMV will not volunteer your information to ICE, if ICE is already looking for you and asks the DMV for information about you, the DMV will provide it. If you believe that ICE is looking for you, or if you have a recent deportation order, applying for an AB 60 license could place you at greater risk and is not advisable.

I am in removal proceedings. Will this affect my ability to apply for an AB 60 license or place me at risk?
Immigration history is not a factor in eligibility for an AB 60 license. The information that the DMV could share with ICE includes a person’s name, address, and photograph. Because you are already in removal proceedings, and assuming ICE already knows your name, address, and what you look like, there does not seem to be any risk to your immigration situation in applying for an AB 60 license.


I am eligible for deferred action (DAPA or expanded DACA) based on President Obama’s executive action. Should I apply for a license now or wait to see if I can apply for deferred action?

This is ultimately your decision. But the new deferred action programs have not begun yet. They are being litigated in court and it is unclear if or when they might start. Even once they do begin, it could take a long time before the applications are approved. In the meantime, if you get an AB 60 license now, you can drive lawfully while we wait for the deferred action process.

So? An AB-60 license cannot be used to register to vote. From that same document...

How can I use an AB 60 license?

An AB 60 license is valid for driving and for state ID purposes. An AB 60 license is not a federal ID and cannot be used for certain federal purposes, such as entering restricted parts of federal buildings. It does not give anyone the right to work, vote, or receive any benefits that the person wasn’t already eligible for. ​

How many government employees care enough to read the license....zero, ok, that may not be fair. How about 1 out of 100.

Pure nonsense. One out of 100? Prove it.

Are you saying that when these AB 60 people applied for federal aid, register to vote or anything they just give it away without even looking at the DL? Since when that is the norm?
How do the hell they even know the name without looking? I can assure you 100% that AB60 is only for driving benefits and to secure car insurance. Nothing more.
Are you aware that there are Republican observers at the polls?
Did you hear anyone from them witnessed any illegal or voting fraud? NONE.

Prove it !!! Really? When's the last time you went into a DMV?

About 5 weeks ago and my neighbor's son work at San Diego DMV.

One out of 100? Yes you need to prove it. Or yo just another liar.

Wow, you must have the only DMV in Ca where employees give a crap. All others only seem to hire vegetables.

 

[charwin95]

So? An AB-60 license cannot be used to register to vote. From that same document...

How can I use an AB 60 license?

An AB 60 license is valid for driving and for state ID purposes. An AB 60 license is not a federal ID and cannot be used for certain federal purposes, such as entering restricted parts of federal buildings. It does not give anyone the right to work, vote, or receive any benefits that the person wasn’t already eligible for. ​

How many government employees care enough to read the license....zero, ok, that may not be fair. How about 1 out of 100.

Pure nonsense. One out of 100? Prove it.

Are you saying that when these AB 60 people applied for federal aid, register to vote or anything they just give it away without even looking at the DL? Since when that is the norm?
How do the hell they even know the name without looking? I can assure you 100% that AB60 is only for driving benefits and to secure car insurance. Nothing more.
Are you aware that there are Republican observers at the polls?
Did you hear anyone from them witnessed any illegal or voting fraud? NONE.

Prove it !!! Really? When's the last time you went into a DMV?

About 5 weeks ago and my neighbor's son work at San Diego DMV.

One out of 100? Yes you need to prove it. Or yo just another liar.

Wow, you must have the only DMV in Ca where employees give a crap. All others only seem to hire vegetables.

So you have nothing to prove your bogus rebuttal?
Why do you people post these kind of lies?

 

[charwin95]

Damn. It's a no win situation here. Illegals take poor unskilled labor intensive american jobs ( yes they do), then legal immigrants take upper echelon well educated jobs as well. We have this double whammy going on here. My parents were legal immigrants, I am thinking we should be reasonable . Enough is enough. Fair is fair. Let's worry about our own first.

You are clueless.

 

[charwin95]

The DMV doesn't ask for proof of anything? So you don't have to bring a birth certificate, social security card, passport, bill in your name to prove your address, etc. when you get a license or ID? I certainly had to.

I'm not sure how you equate 3 people going into a booth labeled for one person only to the DMV not asking for proof of anything.

Wow. Are you kidding?

Kidding about what? Needing to provide proof of identity to get a state-issued ID or driver's license?

"AB60 licenses are said to require proof of identity, but the use of a Mexican Consular Card has been brought into serious question. A Mexican Federal Electoral Card, Mexican Institute National Electoral Card, Mexican Passport, or Mexican Consular Card are accepted as forms of ID to procure a California driver license. Several other types of foreign identification cards may be used as well."
California Licenses 800K Illegal Aliens as Motor Voter Law Looms - Breitbart


Sure looks like Democrats produced a scheme to allow illegal aliens to vote, huh?

In your mind, sure. Hell, maybe even in reality. You haven't provided any actual evidence of it, though. Just speculation.

Soooo.....wadda ya' say about this?

1. How many illegal aliens are living in this country....then we'll compare that to how many voted.

2. Determining the number of illegals is significant. Democrats will want to pretend that it is the lowest estimate....
If there are 12 million or so illegals living here, well...then it's easier to deny that they represent Bill's wife's supposed victory in the popular vote.
But.....if it's a far greater number.......

And it is.


Watch this:

3. James H. Walsh, formerly an Associate General Counsel of the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) in the United States Department of Justice, writes

"... the U.S. Census Bureau routinely undercounts and then adjusts upward total census numbers of Hispanics and other foreign nationals residing in the United States––counting only, of course, those willing to be counted. For the year 2000, the Census Bureau reported a total U.S. population count of “about 275 million” men, women, and children.

When the states and local governments challenged that number as an undercount, the total was corrected upward to 281.4 million, with no clear count of illegal aliens. The Hispanic 2000 census count was 32.8 million, but on re-count the Census Bureau adjusted this number upward to 35.3 million, a 13 percent increase."
How many illegal aliens reside in the United States? | CAIRCO - Colorado Alliance for Immigration Reform | issues legislation projects research




Increased the totals by 13%!!!

Soooo....if we apply that same 'adjustment' to the fabled 11 million....over a decade of so....we have almost 40 million.

And that isn't counting family members brought in under the law.




But....ask a lying Liberal....and the number is still 11 million.



4. ....not a single leftist defender of Bill's wife's imaginary victory in the 'popular vote' has confronted post #68 which brings the number of illegal aliens to over 40 million.



5. Another way to arrive at the numbers of illegals in the country is to base it on the number of apprehensions and escapes.

"The average number of recorded apprehensions of illegal aliens in the United States now hovers at 1.2 million a year [in 2007]. A DHS report, Border Apprehensions: 2005, documented 1.3 million apprehensions in 2005. For the 10-year period (1996–2005), the highest number of apprehensions, 1.8 million, occurred in 2000, and the lowest, 1 million, in 2003. These DHS statistics contradict persistent statements by other government agencies that only 400,000 to 500,000 illegal aliens enter the country each year.



Journeymen Border Patrol agents (on the job five years or more) estimate that a minimum of five illegal aliens enter the United States for each apprehension, and more likely seven. That informed estimate would raise the total number of illegal aliens entering the United States in 2003 to 8 million men, women, and children.

He concludes that:

My estimate of 38 million illegal aliens residing in the United States is calculated, however, using a conservative annual rate of entry (allowing for deaths and returns to their homelands) of three illegal aliens entering the United States for each one apprehended. My estimate includes apprehensions at the Southern Border (by far, the majority), at the Northern Border, along the Pacific, Atlantic, and Gulf of Mexico coasts, and at seaports and airports.


Taking the DHS average of 1.2 million apprehensions per year and multiplying it by 3 comes to 3.6 million illegal entries per year; then multiplying that number by 10 for the 1996–2005 period, my calculations come to 36 million illegal entries into the United States. Add to this the approximately 2 million visa overstays during the same period, and the total is 38 million illegal aliens currently in the United States."
How many illegal aliens reside in the United States? | CAIRCO - Colorado Alliance for Immigration Reform | issues legislation projects research






6. But other Border Patrol agents estimate that a minimum of five illegal aliens enter the United States for each apprehension, and more likely seven......which would give a total of nearly 80 million illegals occupying our country.

The number of illegals would be at least.....at least.....60-80 million at this time.....permanently residing right here is this country.

What percentage of that number would have to vote for Bill's wife's total number to be greater than that of Americans who voted for Trump?


4%.....5%........Looks like a sure thing, doesn't it: Donald Trump won both the electoral college and the popular vote if we discount illegal alien votes.



True?

CAIRCO ------- Fuck me. I am very familiar with this organization. In general these are nothing but anti immigration.
You might as well post Bannon, Trump and Hitler face.

Why do post these kind of worthless link?

 

[Trump The Russian Spy]

Gee.....every time I mention that millions of the votes for Bill's wife were cast by illegal aliens following Obama's telling them to vote, the Left's acolytes become enraged.

The fact is, a defining characteristic of the indoctrinated is to reject any reason, logic or experience if it interferes with their dogma of the day.
Case in point: only when illegal alien votes are 'counted' did Bill's wife get more votes than Donald Trump.
Yup: the Left's policies were rejected.....by Americans.


When I noted that, one of the usual suspects wrote this:
"How many illegal votes.....I say that you made that crap up...."
The Left's Assault on America Writ Large.


Well, even the least among us deserve an education....so, here it is:


1. First and foremost is this: Liberals have been well trained never to question the uttering's of their elites, no matter how obvious the fallacious and transparent the fabrications.
If it is day and Liberal establishment says it is night, they have been disciplined to nod and agree the fabrication.

Case in point: while millions of illegal aliens filter into the country year after year, the very same figure...."11 million illegal aliens live in the country"....neither changes nor is questioned.

"... no number has been given greater certitude and less investigation than that. Not even the number of planets in our solar system has enjoyed such constancy and acceptance.

Imagine the reaction if the media reported daily that this 20 million cohort, supplemented by chain migration and family reunification mandates, would swell to 40 million or 50 million in a decade." How Many Illegal Immigrants Live in the US?

....the indoctrinated reject any reason, logic or experience if it interferes with their dogma.

2. Of course, for Democrats/Liberals, illegal immigrants, or at least the votes they cast, is their life's blood! Damage to our culture, or economy, our safety, our worker's prosperity is second to the increase in power to the Democrats.

"A Rasmussen Reports poll earlier this year found that 53% of the Democratic Party supports letting illegals vote, even though it's against the law. It's pretty clear why."
Trump Is Right — Millions Of Illegals Probably Did Vote In 2016



There are far more than 11 million Illegal immigrants residing in our nation.....and they cast millions of votes for the Left's candidate.

Proof....coming right up.

You've got no evidence, dolt. I ain't enraged, I'm simply pointing out that you're a shameless Repug idiot who doesn't care about facts. Which is true of all Repugs.

 

[g5000]

Gee.....every time I mention that millions of the votes for Bill's wife were cast by illegal aliens...

Every time you mention it, you are lying. And you brag about this? Weird.

following Obama's telling them to vote

Another lie. It's amazing how many hoaxes you swallow, retard. Positively amazing.

You have never provided a single shred of evidence millions of illegals voted for Clinton. Not once. You are just a parroting rube.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Wow. Are you kidding?

Kidding about what? Needing to provide proof of identity to get a state-issued ID or driver's license?

"AB60 licenses are said to require proof of identity, but the use of a Mexican Consular Card has been brought into serious question. A Mexican Federal Electoral Card, Mexican Institute National Electoral Card, Mexican Passport, or Mexican Consular Card are accepted as forms of ID to procure a California driver license. Several other types of foreign identification cards may be used as well."
California Licenses 800K Illegal Aliens as Motor Voter Law Looms - Breitbart


Sure looks like Democrats produced a scheme to allow illegal aliens to vote, huh?

In your mind, sure. Hell, maybe even in reality. You haven't provided any actual evidence of it, though. Just speculation.

It's not speculative. Pandering to illegal aliens has become the norm. Fighting racism yada yada. Pandering is pandering.

Do you understand what the word speculative means? Saying "pandering is pandering" is not evidence of millions of illegals being registered to vote, nor evidence of millions of illegals having voted for Clinton.

"Do you understand what the word speculative means? "

Of course I do, you dunce....I'm far better educated than you.

Speculative refers to 'Trump colluded with Putin" and "Trump obstructed justice."


It doesn't apply to me, I've provided lots of evidence of both millions of illegal aliens in the country, and of Obama telling them to vote, and of Democrats making that a simple....automatic.....process.


And, as bonus, proven you a lying low-life.


Any questions?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Generally speaking, The DMV doesn't ask anyone for proof of anything, I have seen three Mexicans in a booth clearly marked one person per booth only. That was in English. We don't wan't to offend illegals, Hispanics or people that arbitrarily want to disobey laws. Heaven forbid.

The DMV doesn't ask for proof of anything? So you don't have to bring a birth certificate, social security card, passport, bill in your name to prove your address, etc. when you get a license or ID? I certainly had to.

I'm not sure how you equate 3 people going into a booth labeled for one person only to the DMV not asking for proof of anything.

You're sounding dumber and dumber...

Check out what this lady says at 0:52

The woman isn't even speaking at 0:52.

This is the best you can do?

Soooo....I skewered you again, huh?



For readers.....she admitted that she used an illegal SS #

What does someone using an illegal SS# to get hired by a private company have to do with claims that the DMV doesn't ask for proof anything?

You're not even trying to reply to the actual points brought up, are you?

Your attempt to dig yourself out of the hole is both obvious and pathetic.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Damn. It's a no win situation here. Illegals take poor unskilled labor intensive american jobs ( yes they do), then legal immigrants take upper echelon well educated jobs as well. We have this double whammy going on here. My parents were legal immigrants, I am thinking we should be reasonable . Enough is enough. Fair is fair. Let's worry about our own first.

"My parents were legal immigrants,..."

Mine, too.

Got to NYC...couldn't find a place to live, so we rented a Jamaican's hat.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I look at a broad group of folks , white, Hispanic, blacks, displaced by Hispanic "immigrants" of questionable status. Why? Because they work cheaper, are less willing to go to OSHA because they are so willingly co-opt American workers everywhere, selling us out. Yey for illegal aliens! I am not feeling the love here.

And the single most important characteristic to Liberals.....they vote Democrat.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Find those 3 million illegal votes yet?

lol

 

[PoliticalChic]

When you apply for new DL ---- They ask if you are a US citizen or not. Yes/No you go that way and that way.
Yes ------ You have to provide a proof of citizenship, process, which will coincide with the federal government documents.
Yes ------- but lied. Subject for longer process and rejection.
No ------- You get AB-60.

These illegals with AB60 is only for driving purposes only. They treasure and proud of this document which makes them somewhat legal and their future.
Why would they risk that just for one vote? What if they get caught?

Generally speaking, The DMV doesn't ask anyone for proof of anything, I have seen three Mexicans in a booth clearly marked one person per booth only. That was in English. We don't wan't to offend illegals, Hispanics or people that arbitrarily want to disobey laws. Heaven forbid.

The DMV doesn't ask for proof of anything? So you don't have to bring a birth certificate, social security card, passport, bill in your name to prove your address, etc. when you get a license or ID? I certainly had to.

I'm not sure how you equate 3 people going into a booth labeled for one person only to the DMV not asking for proof of anything.

"AB60 licenses are said to require proof of identity, but the use of a Mexican Consular Card has been brought into serious question. A Mexican Federal Electoral Card, Mexican Institute National Electoral Card, Mexican Passport, or Mexican Consular Card are accepted as forms of ID to procure a California driver license. Several other types of foreign identification cards may be used as well."
California Licenses 800K Illegal Aliens as Motor Voter Law Looms - Breitbart



How ya' like dat, boyyyyeeeeeee????

Ah the famous AB 461.
Read and research how Breitbart twisted the technicality of Ab461. You must be desperate.

I probably encountered this AB461 at least 8 to 10 times of the same topic.

Now....let me see if I understand the Democrat policy/rules as it pertains to illegal aliens....

1. "....the DMV’s [read 'Democrat government's'] current policy is not to refer anyone to criminal prosecution who previously applied for a license using false information..." [as long as they vote correctly.]

2. "The DMV’s [Democrat's] current practice is not to refer people who have used false information to obtain a driver’s license for criminal prosecution...[as long as...you know what...]
This is exactly what the snake, Obama, said to illegal aliens in that interview.

3. "While the DMV will not volunteer your information to ICE..."
Seems they've chosen sides....they go with illegal aliens in opposition to American laws. Must be Democrats.

4. "there does not seem to be any risk to your immigration situation in applying for an AB 60 license."
What the heck, you're being kicked out anyway....might as well vote.
From the AB-60 guide book.
https://www.ilrc.org/sites/default/files/resources/ab_60_4_27_15.pdf

 

[NYcarbineer]

Kidding about what? Needing to provide proof of identity to get a state-issued ID or driver's license?

"AB60 licenses are said to require proof of identity, but the use of a Mexican Consular Card has been brought into serious question. A Mexican Federal Electoral Card, Mexican Institute National Electoral Card, Mexican Passport, or Mexican Consular Card are accepted as forms of ID to procure a California driver license. Several other types of foreign identification cards may be used as well."
California Licenses 800K Illegal Aliens as Motor Voter Law Looms - Breitbart


Sure looks like Democrats produced a scheme to allow illegal aliens to vote, huh?

In your mind, sure. Hell, maybe even in reality. You haven't provided any actual evidence of it, though. Just speculation.

It's not speculative. Pandering to illegal aliens has become the norm. Fighting racism yada yada. Pandering is pandering.

Do you understand what the word speculative means? Saying "pandering is pandering" is not evidence of millions of illegals being registered to vote, nor evidence of millions of illegals having voted for Clinton.

"Do you understand what the word speculative means? "

Of course I do, you dunce....I'm far better educated than you.

Speculative refers to 'Trump colluded with Putin" and "Trump obstructed justice."


It doesn't apply to me, I've provided lots of evidence of both millions of illegal aliens in the country, and of Obama telling them to vote, and of Democrats making that a simple....automatic.....process.


And, as bonus, proven you a lying low-life.


Any questions?

No, you've just lied, or posted misinformation out of ignorance.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The DMV doesn't ask for proof of anything? So you don't have to bring a birth certificate, social security card, passport, bill in your name to prove your address, etc. when you get a license or ID? I certainly had to.

I'm not sure how you equate 3 people going into a booth labeled for one person only to the DMV not asking for proof of anything.

Wow. Are you kidding?

No but you are lying.

Um, no. I think you are in deep deep denial. Pandering to illegals is becoming the norm. And the fact you folks are in a major denial pretending the rest us are "baddies", just cliches it.

Clearly, the object of the motor-voter bill is to register illegal aliens who vote for the anti-American party, the Democrats.

Both of you are defective human being.

Translation: "You've both proven your points..and I hate you for destroying my world view."

Excellent.

 

[PoliticalChic]

"Well known that over 3 million illegals voted in just 3 California counties last November. Democrats love to brag about winning the popular vote but that is pure bullsh*t. There could have been well over 5 to 6 million bogus votes cast for Hillary last November."
California Licenses 800K Illegal Aliens as Motor Voter Law Looms - Breitbart comment


I certainly concur.

And this tread proves same.

Another bullshit don't you ever get tired?
In order to make that happen------ You need thousands with S of both Republicans and Democrats to coordinate that kind of massive fraud.
Do you have any link to support your lies?

Why are you Leftists so foul-mouthed when you lose?

 

[PoliticalChic]

I have known plenty of immigrants, from Lithuania or Hungary. They came here legally and fled from valid threats, LEGALLY. Now, why can't Mexicans? They ignore our immigration laws because it's convenient for them? Is that how this works now?

Now, be fair to Mexicans.....they do it because Democrats tell 'em to.

"Most Illegal Immigrants Crossing Border Believe They Are Eligible for Legal Status. Obama’s Actions Make That No Surprise."
Most Illegal Immigrants Crossing Border Believe They Are Eligible for Legal Status


The half-heads arguing in this thread pretend they are surprised.

Coming from Daily Signal? An ultra hard right wing bias ----- mostly fake news. You've got to be kidding me.
Are you new here?

Losers always deny the source when they can't deny the fact.

Raise your paw.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Wow. Are you kidding?

Kidding about what? Needing to provide proof of identity to get a state-issued ID or driver's license?

"AB60 licenses are said to require proof of identity, but the use of a Mexican Consular Card has been brought into serious question. A Mexican Federal Electoral Card, Mexican Institute National Electoral Card, Mexican Passport, or Mexican Consular Card are accepted as forms of ID to procure a California driver license. Several other types of foreign identification cards may be used as well."
California Licenses 800K Illegal Aliens as Motor Voter Law Looms - Breitbart


Sure looks like Democrats produced a scheme to allow illegal aliens to vote, huh?

In your mind, sure. Hell, maybe even in reality. You haven't provided any actual evidence of it, though. Just speculation.

Soooo.....wadda ya' say about this?

1. How many illegal aliens are living in this country....then we'll compare that to how many voted.

2. Determining the number of illegals is significant. Democrats will want to pretend that it is the lowest estimate....
If there are 12 million or so illegals living here, well...then it's easier to deny that they represent Bill's wife's supposed victory in the popular vote.
But.....if it's a far greater number.......

And it is.


Watch this:

3. James H. Walsh, formerly an Associate General Counsel of the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) in the United States Department of Justice, writes

"... the U.S. Census Bureau routinely undercounts and then adjusts upward total census numbers of Hispanics and other foreign nationals residing in the United States––counting only, of course, those willing to be counted. For the year 2000, the Census Bureau reported a total U.S. population count of “about 275 million” men, women, and children.

When the states and local governments challenged that number as an undercount, the total was corrected upward to 281.4 million, with no clear count of illegal aliens. The Hispanic 2000 census count was 32.8 million, but on re-count the Census Bureau adjusted this number upward to 35.3 million, a 13 percent increase."
How many illegal aliens reside in the United States? | CAIRCO - Colorado Alliance for Immigration Reform | issues legislation projects research




Increased the totals by 13%!!!

Soooo....if we apply that same 'adjustment' to the fabled 11 million....over a decade of so....we have almost 40 million.

And that isn't counting family members brought in under the law.




But....ask a lying Liberal....and the number is still 11 million.



4. ....not a single leftist defender of Bill's wife's imaginary victory in the 'popular vote' has confronted post #68 which brings the number of illegal aliens to over 40 million.



5. Another way to arrive at the numbers of illegals in the country is to base it on the number of apprehensions and escapes.

"The average number of recorded apprehensions of illegal aliens in the United States now hovers at 1.2 million a year [in 2007]. A DHS report, Border Apprehensions: 2005, documented 1.3 million apprehensions in 2005. For the 10-year period (1996–2005), the highest number of apprehensions, 1.8 million, occurred in 2000, and the lowest, 1 million, in 2003. These DHS statistics contradict persistent statements by other government agencies that only 400,000 to 500,000 illegal aliens enter the country each year.



Journeymen Border Patrol agents (on the job five years or more) estimate that a minimum of five illegal aliens enter the United States for each apprehension, and more likely seven. That informed estimate would raise the total number of illegal aliens entering the United States in 2003 to 8 million men, women, and children.

He concludes that:

My estimate of 38 million illegal aliens residing in the United States is calculated, however, using a conservative annual rate of entry (allowing for deaths and returns to their homelands) of three illegal aliens entering the United States for each one apprehended. My estimate includes apprehensions at the Southern Border (by far, the majority), at the Northern Border, along the Pacific, Atlantic, and Gulf of Mexico coasts, and at seaports and airports.


Taking the DHS average of 1.2 million apprehensions per year and multiplying it by 3 comes to 3.6 million illegal entries per year; then multiplying that number by 10 for the 1996–2005 period, my calculations come to 36 million illegal entries into the United States. Add to this the approximately 2 million visa overstays during the same period, and the total is 38 million illegal aliens currently in the United States."
How many illegal aliens reside in the United States? | CAIRCO - Colorado Alliance for Immigration Reform | issues legislation projects research






6. But other Border Patrol agents estimate that a minimum of five illegal aliens enter the United States for each apprehension, and more likely seven......which would give a total of nearly 80 million illegals occupying our country.

The number of illegals would be at least.....at least.....60-80 million at this time.....permanently residing right here is this country.

What percentage of that number would have to vote for Bill's wife's total number to be greater than that of Americans who voted for Trump?


4%.....5%........Looks like a sure thing, doesn't it: Donald Trump won both the electoral college and the popular vote if we discount illegal alien votes.



True?

CAIRCO ------- Fuck me. I am very familiar with this organization. In general these are nothing but anti immigration.
You might as well post Bannon, Trump and Hitler face.

Why do post these kind of worthless link?

I already told you that I accepted the Liberal white flag, your vulgarity....further of same is unnecessary.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Gee.....every time I mention that millions of the votes for Bill's wife were cast by illegal aliens...

Every time you mention it, you are lying. And you brag about this? Weird.

following Obama's telling them to vote

Another lie. It's amazing how many hoaxes you swallow, retard. Positively amazing.

You have never provided a single shred of evidence millions of illegals voted for Clinton. Not once. You are just a parroting rube.

Oh, no....the 'military explosives expert' is back.