US and Nato Helped Trigger the Ukraine War.

[Eric Arthur Blair]

That was your link and it was supposed to show that Shokin was investigating Bursima. It did the opposite

Still waiting for you to demonstrate your absurd belief.

 

[georgephillip]

The U.S. and NATO Helped Trigger the Ukraine War.

Vladimir Putin's decision to launch a full-scale invasion of Ukraine is a monstrous act of aggression. But that doesn't mean the West did nothing to provoke it.

www.newsweek.com

Why, of course they did! Is there really any way of denying that it's America's war against Russia?

Best propaganda efforts are evolving into facts that can no longer be denied.

Is this forum roughly equally divided on the questions related to this war?

Your link:

"One can readily imagine how Americans would react if Russia, China, India, or another peer competitor admitted countries from Central America and the Caribbean to a security alliance that it led—and then sought to add Canada as an official or de facto military ally."

Then imagine how much worse the US reaction would be if one of those competitors began destabilizing Mexico?

 

[Donald H]

Your link:

"One can readily imagine how Americans would react if Russia, China, India, or another peer competitor admitted countries from Central America and the Caribbean to a security alliance that it led—and then sought to add Canada as an official or de facto military ally."

Then imagine how much worse the US reaction would be if one of those competitors began destabilizing Mexico?

Are you trying to make some point?

 

[georgephillip]

Are you trying to make some point?

Over the past thirty years, NATO and the IMF have provoked Russia to defend its borders.

 

[Lakhota]

The U.S. and NATO Helped Trigger the Ukraine War.

Vladimir Putin's decision to launch a full-scale invasion of Ukraine is a monstrous act of aggression. But that doesn't mean the West did nothing to provoke it.

www.newsweek.com

Why, of course they did! Is there really any way of denying that it's America's war against Russia?

Best propaganda efforts are evolving into facts that can no longer be denied.

Is this forum roughly equally divided on the questions related to this war?

Really? How exactly did the U.S. and NATO trigger Adolf Putin to savagely murder babies, children and women - and destroy their homes, hospitals, electricity, heat, food and water?

 

[badger2]

Over the past thirty years, NATO and the IMF have provoked Russia to defend its borders.

NATO is an overconfident protection racket that can't conquer it's addiction to expansion, it's origins being the Korean War. The capitalist system, a system that constantly sets then repels its own limits, makes NATO intimate to the schizophrenic process and default antagonisms.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

Your link:

"One can readily imagine how Americans would react if Russia, China, India, or another peer competitor admitted countries from Central America and the Caribbean to a security alliance that it led—and then sought to add Canada as an official or de facto military ally."

Then imagine how much worse the US reaction would be if one of those competitors began destabilizing Mexico?

Oh! That would be awful What can we do?

Well, we could stop trying to steal countries out from under nations and stop sending millions into those nations to foment trouble and act as a rationalization to steal even more territory from said nations.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

Over the past thirty years, NATO and the IMF have provoked Russia to defend its borders.

Nobody is stealing parts of Russia from Russia.
No one can say the same for Ukraine who is suffering from slow motion, step by step theft of Ukraine by
Russia itself.

Russia doesn't need to defend it's borders....it needs to stop erasing Ukraine's borders and appropriating
large swathes of that nation, like Crimea, for itself.

Your propaganda sucks! Maybe if Russian dictators didn't make Russia such a shitty place to live.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

NATO is an overconfident protection racket that can't conquer it's addiction to expansion, it's origins being the Korean War. The capitalist system, a system that constantly sets then repels its own limits, makes NATO intimate to the schizophrenic process and default antagonisms.

Perhaps people could agree with you {not me...I find your rationalizations to be simplistic blather at best)
if your appeals weren't so dishonest.
By "default antagonism" do you refer to the theft of Crimea? The Donbas region? Etc?

 

[georgephillip]

NATO is an overconfident protection racket that can't conquer it's addiction to expansion, it's origins being the Korean War. The capitalist system, a system that constantly sets then repels its own limits, makes NATO intimate to the schizophrenic process and default antagonisms.

NATO lost its principle reason for existence when the USSR dissolved, imho. Russian leaders at that time including Yeltsin and Putin felt Russia's future lie as a partner with Europe.

Obviously, US defense contractors had other ideas including expanding NATO to the Russian borders if necessary.

Many experts knew exactly what would happen if that occurred.

"The dean of America’s Russia experts, George F. Kennan, had called the expansion of NATO into Central Europe 'the most fateful error of American policy in the entire post-Cold War era.'

"Kennan, the architect of America’s post-World War II strategy of containment of the Soviet Union, believed, as did most other Russia experts in the United States, that expanding NATO would damage beyond repair U.S. efforts to transform Russia from enemy to partner."

The U.S. Decision to Enlarge NATO: How, When, Why, and What Next?

 

[Lakhota]

Putin's race to restore Soviet glory - while dying from cancer.

 

[badger2]

Perhaps people could agree with you {not me...I find your rationalizations to be simplistic blather at best)
if your appeals weren't so dishonest.
By "default antagonism" do you refer to the theft of Crimea? The Donbas region? Etc?

One default antagonism caused by CIA operatives cultivating neo-nazis in Ukraine, automatically (have you processed your mother tongue sufficiently up to this point, or should badger slow down?) benefits NATO, by default. That mechanism is the illegitimacy of the dipshit Ukrainian state since 2014.

 

[badger2]

NATO lost its principle reason for existence when the USSR dissolved, imho. Russian leaders at that time including Yeltsin and Putin felt Russia's future lie as a partner with Europe.

Obviously, US defense contractors had other ideas including expanding NATO to the Russian borders if necessary.

Many experts knew exactly what would happen if that occurred.

"The dean of America’s Russia experts, George F. Kennan, had called the expansion of NATO into Central Europe 'the most fateful error of American policy in the entire post-Cold War era.'

"Kennan, the architect of America’s post-World War II strategy of containment of the Soviet Union, believed, as did most other Russia experts in the United States, that expanding NATO would damage beyond repair U.S. efforts to transform Russia from enemy to partner."

The U.S. Decision to Enlarge NATO: How, When, Why, and What Next?

Yes, addiction to capitalism is synonymous with the addiction to expansion. NATO's origins lie in the Korean War. NATO's effeminate ass should have forgotten such a reach in its collective Unconscious, but it could not. To contradict its origins would be to contradict its imperialist philsophy.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

One default antagonism caused by CIA operatives cultivating neo-nazis in Ukraine, automatically (have you processed your mother tongue sufficiently up to this point, or should badger slow down?) benefits NATO, by default. That mechanism is the illegitimacy of the dipshit Ukrainian state since 2014.

You know what else benefits NATO?...Having a megalomaniac president who habitually attacks, bombs, kills, and steals land from a neighboring nation. NATO looks pretty good now helping defend Ukraine
from the crazed rapist that runs Russia.

Should I slow down? Or would you like think about default antagonisms some more?

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

NATO lost its principle reason for existence when the USSR dissolved, imho. Russian leaders at that time including Yeltsin and Putin felt Russia's future lie as a partner with Europe.

Obviously, US defense contractors had other ideas including expanding NATO to the Russian borders if necessary.

Many experts knew exactly what would happen if that occurred.

"The dean of America’s Russia experts, George F. Kennan, had called the expansion of NATO into Central Europe 'the most fateful error of American policy in the entire post-Cold War era.'

"Kennan, the architect of America’s post-World War II strategy of containment of the Soviet Union, believed, as did most other Russia experts in the United States, that expanding NATO would damage beyond repair U.S. efforts to transform Russia from enemy to partner."

The U.S. Decision to Enlarge NATO: How, When, Why, and What Next?

You know what else could damage a partnership between the U.S. and Russia?

Having a power mad megalomaniac like Vlad Putin, head up the Russian oligarchy.
You can fuck George F. Keenan with debris from one of the children's wards that Russia bombed into
rubble just last week.

 

[yidnar]

Ok, I agree with you about Biden being pitifully weak on this, but what is the alternative? At least half of the Republicans seem to be on Putin's side.

republicans are not on Putins side ! we have republican congressmen saying Putin should be taken [assassinated] out by his own people ... and a large majority of republican senators are calling for the WH to allow MiG 's to be sent to Ukraine !

 

[georgephillip]

Yes, addiction to capitalism is synonymous with the addiction to expansion. NATO's origins lie in the Korean War

The capitalists' addiction to growth requires eternal war and endless debt. It is only when rich capitalists become concerned with their own survival do they seriously question full spectrum dominance.

Achieving Full Spectrum Dominance - GovLoop

 

[kyzr]

The capitalists' addiction to growth requires eternal war and endless debt. It is only when rich capitalists become concerned with their own survival do they seriously question full spectrum dominance.
Achieving Full Spectrum Dominance - GovLoop

That approach is better than a feeble military and being invaded by aggressive dictators.
"Peace thru strength" has worked well for over 70-years.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

 

[CowboyTed]

The US and NATO did NOT provoke anything.

Putin wanted to restore the USSR by "land grabs" and this time he got his tit in the Ukrainian ringer.

We need to get those Polish MIG-29s to the Ukes ASAP.

Putin's army sucks, his air force sucks, and his economy sucks.

His only move is to knock his king over, game over.

MIGs aren’t needed... It not the weapon of choice...

These are at the moment...

The inanimate hero of Ukraine's defensive war against Russia, cheap Turkish drones may pose a broader threat

The lethal efficiency with which expendable unmanned aircraft dispose of Russian troops suggest the nature of war has changed irreversibly.

fortune.com

That and Javelins, Stingers, Nightvision, Sniper Rifles.... Light and movable...

Anti Aircraft could be used more if they can guarantee a foothold...

Added in with a Mercenary Army which nobody is talking about but are there... There is an awful lot going on which we are not been told about... But a serious amount of arms and personal are getting in there it is just not reported for obvious reasons.....

 

[georgephillip]

Having a power mad megalomaniac like Vlad Putin, head up the Russian oligarchy.
You can fuck George F. Keenan with debris from one of the children's wards that Russia bombed into
rubble just last week.

Putin and Yeltsin wanted a partnership with Europe thirty years ago, but US defense contractors knew better.

What we are watching in Ukraine today became inevitable when NATO transitioned from a defensive military alliance to an offensive strike force.

NATO: Why Russia has a problem with its eastward expansion | DW | 23.02.2022

"NATO carried out an aerial bombing campaign against Serbia in 1999 during the Kosovo war.

"Serbia was a Russian ally.

"Vladimir Putin was elected president not long thereafter.

"He still cites the bombing as proof of NATO aggression — also in the context of the current crisis."