Us versus them. Why are americans turning on each other?

[flacaltenn]

Read any forum post in politics and its liberals bashing conservatives or vice versa. Conservatives and liberals always in lock step behind their candidate. Ask the majority of Trump supporters or Hillary supporters why they are voting for the candidate and the #1 answer is because their candidate isn't the other candidate. The majority of conversations here don't center around policy or any tangible issue. It's all slander and character attacks.

What we fail to realize is that 75% (maybe more) of the population has so much in common but yet we get divided over who uses what bathroom.

I read an article the other day about "Obama's war or police." So I looked at some statistics and come to find out the past few years the number of police killed in the line of duty has been declining. I also learned that more children under the age of 17 are killed every year by gunshot wounds than police.

In North Carolina the state legislature decided to pass a bathroom law (something magical must have happened this year that required this law to come into existence) then Obama overruled the law and the whole country went crazy.

What the fuck are we fighting about? Somehow MSNBC cares about Melania Trump and her modeling career. Somehow the size of a man's hands matters for being president. What the fuck are we fighting about.

Can we talk about debt and deficits, can we talk about jobs and growth. Can we talk about affordable healthcare and corporations writing our laws? Can we talk about spending cuts and raising revenue? Can we talk about public education and corporate fraud? These are debates we need to have, not more Benghazi hearings or hand measuring contests.

This is largely because Government is outside it's bounds. Partisans meddle in issues they desire to meddle in -- not as a set of priorities. The country has largely been on auto-pilot since 2000. Congress doesn't write laws anymore. They write huge FORMS with blanks to be filled in by unaccountable minions of bureaucrats. These excersizes (like Dodd-Frank and ObamaCare ) are subject to "on the fly" decrees by the exec branch or some agency. And they go ON and ON and ON and never call it done. Creating uncertainty for biz, and for you.

The media is the other problem. Same damn talking heads WEEK after WEEK.. Because journalist today are LAZY and stupid and their product "scripted".. Never help RESOLVE any issues by going to the hard stuff. Finding the RIGHT experts and doing some math. They think you're too stupid if any primary is an "open primary" or "winner take all" or where the missing percentages in their election night coverage went. I watch INCREDUKLOUSLY for some time the night of the W.VA. because the vote totals were missing about 15%.. You're too stupid to care why OR the folks pounding this horse can't add.

We are divided because many of us can't tolerate a "don't care" attitude about Benghazi or gross mishandling of classified documents by a Prez wannabee. Those folks see a general decline in the ETHICAL standards of government. A bathroom law that protects a class of people WITHOUT a method of identifying WHO belongs to that class is great example of lazy work ethic from government, And we are divided because other folks are feeding that division with class, race, income, sex, and other DIVISIVE shit they can conjure up.


The whole Federal process is severely broken, Congress is irrelevant, the media is useless and the 2 parties are stoking a meaningless McCoy - Hatfield feud.. Other than that ---------


........................................... everything's peachy....

Now we have something we disagree on and I like that. I don't think the system is broken. Representative democracy is a good system. The problem is the employees. Government is only as lazy and ineffective as the people we elect to do the job of governing. Government can be an engine of good, a place where ideas come together and are debated and discussed until the best version of the best idea becomes law

Uh.. No sir. .The PROCESS is broken. I illustrated that with the important fact that Congress no longer RESEARCHES before they write laws. They write BLANK checks to the agencies who supply their "research" with phoney or suspicious government numbers and estimates.

Another MAJOR problem is that only 4 party Elites RUN the Congress. No office, no pencils, no assignments if you cross these VERY partisan bosses. Nothing comes out of committee or goes to a vote without their direction.

Congress is also completely POWERLESS to excercise it's oversight duties on OPERATING programs or scandals. They are completely NEUTERED by the minions of the damned. They cannot get vital answers or responsibility from the Bureaucratic mammoth. It's gone feral..

Can I go on? Of course. But I want to see how naive you are about recognizing how broken this whole Republic is right now.. And you have a long road to hoe if you don't see WHERE all this class, sex, racial division is coming from.....

You are mistaken. men and women in congress no longer research before writing laws. Congress isn't some robot, its a collection of people. and the majority of people we have elected CHOOSE not to work for the vast majoprity of its constituents. again this problem could be solved by electing better human beings to represent us

Those folks have been made IRRELEVANT by the rules that allow just FOUR of the Party faithful to control every action and inaction of Congress. The media supports this by exaggerating the importance of those Maj/Min leaders.

The MASSIVE NATURE of the legislation PROHIBITS a complete vetting, research and writing of laws. Congress is not suited to designing grand solutions like the entire healthcare sector in one swift -- largely UNDEBATED --- action.. You get total CRAP as a result. And you "don't know what is in it -- until you pass it":

Does that sound familiar? Well Pelosi was not lying. Americans just did not get the URGENCY of what she was ADMITTING to them. That Congress is incapable of DESIGNING anything that grandiose.

 

[rdean]

Republicans have turned on America since Reagan.

 

[Nicholas_1982]

Read any forum post in politics and its liberals bashing conservatives or vice versa. Conservatives and liberals always in lock step behind their candidate. Ask the majority of Trump supporters or Hillary supporters why they are voting for the candidate and the #1 answer is because their candidate isn't the other candidate. The majority of conversations here don't center around policy or any tangible issue. It's all slander and character attacks.

What we fail to realize is that 75% (maybe more) of the population has so much in common but yet we get divided over who uses what bathroom.

I read an article the other day about "Obama's war or police." So I looked at some statistics and come to find out the past few years the number of police killed in the line of duty has been declining. I also learned that more children under the age of 17 are killed every year by gunshot wounds than police.

In North Carolina the state legislature decided to pass a bathroom law (something magical must have happened this year that required this law to come into existence) then Obama overruled the law and the whole country went crazy.

What the fuck are we fighting about? Somehow MSNBC cares about Melania Trump and her modeling career. Somehow the size of a man's hands matters for being president. What the fuck are we fighting about.

Can we talk about debt and deficits, can we talk about jobs and growth. Can we talk about affordable healthcare and corporations writing our laws? Can we talk about spending cuts and raising revenue? Can we talk about public education and corporate fraud? These are debates we need to have, not more Benghazi hearings or hand measuring contests.

This is largely because Government is outside it's bounds. Partisans meddle in issues they desire to meddle in -- not as a set of priorities. The country has largely been on auto-pilot since 2000. Congress doesn't write laws anymore. They write huge FORMS with blanks to be filled in by unaccountable minions of bureaucrats. These excersizes (like Dodd-Frank and ObamaCare ) are subject to "on the fly" decrees by the exec branch or some agency. And they go ON and ON and ON and never call it done. Creating uncertainty for biz, and for you.

The media is the other problem. Same damn talking heads WEEK after WEEK.. Because journalist today are LAZY and stupid and their product "scripted".. Never help RESOLVE any issues by going to the hard stuff. Finding the RIGHT experts and doing some math. They think you're too stupid if any primary is an "open primary" or "winner take all" or where the missing percentages in their election night coverage went. I watch INCREDUKLOUSLY for some time the night of the W.VA. because the vote totals were missing about 15%.. You're too stupid to care why OR the folks pounding this horse can't add.

We are divided because many of us can't tolerate a "don't care" attitude about Benghazi or gross mishandling of classified documents by a Prez wannabee. Those folks see a general decline in the ETHICAL standards of government. A bathroom law that protects a class of people WITHOUT a method of identifying WHO belongs to that class is great example of lazy work ethic from government, And we are divided because other folks are feeding that division with class, race, income, sex, and other DIVISIVE shit they can conjure up.


The whole Federal process is severely broken, Congress is irrelevant, the media is useless and the 2 parties are stoking a meaningless McCoy - Hatfield feud.. Other than that ---------


........................................... everything's peachy....

Now we have something we disagree on and I like that. I don't think the system is broken. Representative democracy is a good system. The problem is the employees. Government is only as lazy and ineffective as the people we elect to do the job of governing. Government can be an engine of good, a place where ideas come together and are debated and discussed until the best version of the best idea becomes law

Uh.. No sir. .The PROCESS is broken. I illustrated that with the important fact that Congress no longer RESEARCHES before they write laws. They write BLANK checks to the agencies who supply their "research" with phoney or suspicious government numbers and estimates.

Another MAJOR problem is that only 4 party Elites RUN the Congress. No office, no pencils, no assignments if you cross these VERY partisan bosses. Nothing comes out of committee or goes to a vote without their direction.

Congress is also completely POWERLESS to excercise it's oversight duties on OPERATING programs or scandals. They are completely NEUTERED by the minions of the damned. They cannot get vital answers or responsibility from the Bureaucratic mammoth. It's gone feral..

Can I go on? Of course. But I want to see how naive you are about recognizing how broken this whole Republic is right now.. And you have a long road to hoe if you don't see WHERE all this class, sex, racial division is coming from.....

You are mistaken. men and women in congress no longer research before writing laws. Congress isn't some robot, its a collection of people. and the majority of people we have elected CHOOSE not to work for the vast majoprity of its constituents. again this problem could be solved by electing better human beings to represent us

Those folks have been made IRRELEVANT by the rules that allow just FOUR of the Party faithful to control every action and inaction of Congress. The media supports this by exaggerating the importance of those Maj/Min leaders.

The MASSIVE NATURE of the legislation PROHIBITS a complete vetting, research and writing of laws. Congress is not suited to designing grand solutions like the entire healthcare sector in one swift -- largely UNDEBATED --- action.. You get total CRAP as a result. And you "don't know what is in it -- until you pass it":

Does that sound familiar? Well Pelosi was not lying. Americans just did not get the URGENCY of what she was ADMITTING to them. That Congress is incapable of DESIGNING anything that grandiose.

Alright man, my last response to your fanatical rants. call me a sheep or an idealist, it doesn't matter. I believe that if we elect people who care about working for the people then they will govern in a way that benefits the people. you disagree, point taken

 

[flacaltenn]

Sure, but it must be done with intentional tact,to avoid laws...

I don't understand the point of that collection of words. can you rephrase

Yes, one must foresee the liability of their actions in business, and limit how they serve customers...Those that cater are more open to liability issues..Wal Mart does it by saying, you can buy a cake and have it decorated, but only what is in their cataloger of finished cakes, all others are denied due to inability to fulfill, because it is not a custom cake making place..
But Wal-Mart does not care if you have ghey sex with the cake..because they don't cater...

you win, you roped me into a conversation I care nothing about. I don't care who bakes what cake and who refuses to bake a cake. I don't care who uses what bathroom or who doesn't use what bathroom.

althiough if we are going to pass bathroom laws i would much rather a law be passed that prohibits sex offenders from using any public bathrooms, thats seems like the real threat

I run my business to make money..I don't care what you do in your bedroom, my motivation is to make money by giving a service...A dollar from a ghey person is as good as a dollar from a straight person...

so then I assume we agree that the cake and bathroom fights that have garnered so much media attention are pointless and have no value

Oh hell no.. If they expand the power and the charter of govt to MEDDLE in these areas -- it affects us all eventually.

 

[Nicholas_1982]

Republicans have turned on America since Reagan.

thanx for that bit of rhetorical and logical genuis. you are a pearl of wisdom

 

[Nicholas_1982]

I don't understand the point of that collection of words. can you rephrase

Yes, one must foresee the liability of their actions in business, and limit how they serve customers...Those that cater are more open to liability issues..Wal Mart does it by saying, you can buy a cake and have it decorated, but only what is in their cataloger of finished cakes, all others are denied due to inability to fulfill, because it is not a custom cake making place..
But Wal-Mart does not care if you have ghey sex with the cake..because they don't cater...

you win, you roped me into a conversation I care nothing about. I don't care who bakes what cake and who refuses to bake a cake. I don't care who uses what bathroom or who doesn't use what bathroom.

althiough if we are going to pass bathroom laws i would much rather a law be passed that prohibits sex offenders from using any public bathrooms, thats seems like the real threat

I run my business to make money..I don't care what you do in your bedroom, my motivation is to make money by giving a service...A dollar from a ghey person is as good as a dollar from a straight person...

so then I assume we agree that the cake and bathroom fights that have garnered so much media attention are pointless and have no value

Oh hell no.. If they expand the power and the charter of govt to MEDDLE in these areas -- it affects us all eventually.

So what are you saying? Are you saying the North Carolina law was government meddling in areas it shouldn't?

 

[flacaltenn]

This is largely because Government is outside it's bounds. Partisans meddle in issues they desire to meddle in -- not as a set of priorities. The country has largely been on auto-pilot since 2000. Congress doesn't write laws anymore. They write huge FORMS with blanks to be filled in by unaccountable minions of bureaucrats. These excersizes (like Dodd-Frank and ObamaCare ) are subject to "on the fly" decrees by the exec branch or some agency. And they go ON and ON and ON and never call it done. Creating uncertainty for biz, and for you.

The media is the other problem. Same damn talking heads WEEK after WEEK.. Because journalist today are LAZY and stupid and their product "scripted".. Never help RESOLVE any issues by going to the hard stuff. Finding the RIGHT experts and doing some math. They think you're too stupid if any primary is an "open primary" or "winner take all" or where the missing percentages in their election night coverage went. I watch INCREDUKLOUSLY for some time the night of the W.VA. because the vote totals were missing about 15%.. You're too stupid to care why OR the folks pounding this horse can't add.

We are divided because many of us can't tolerate a "don't care" attitude about Benghazi or gross mishandling of classified documents by a Prez wannabee. Those folks see a general decline in the ETHICAL standards of government. A bathroom law that protects a class of people WITHOUT a method of identifying WHO belongs to that class is great example of lazy work ethic from government, And we are divided because other folks are feeding that division with class, race, income, sex, and other DIVISIVE shit they can conjure up.


The whole Federal process is severely broken, Congress is irrelevant, the media is useless and the 2 parties are stoking a meaningless McCoy - Hatfield feud.. Other than that ---------


........................................... everything's peachy....

Now we have something we disagree on and I like that. I don't think the system is broken. Representative democracy is a good system. The problem is the employees. Government is only as lazy and ineffective as the people we elect to do the job of governing. Government can be an engine of good, a place where ideas come together and are debated and discussed until the best version of the best idea becomes law

Uh.. No sir. .The PROCESS is broken. I illustrated that with the important fact that Congress no longer RESEARCHES before they write laws. They write BLANK checks to the agencies who supply their "research" with phoney or suspicious government numbers and estimates.

Another MAJOR problem is that only 4 party Elites RUN the Congress. No office, no pencils, no assignments if you cross these VERY partisan bosses. Nothing comes out of committee or goes to a vote without their direction.

Congress is also completely POWERLESS to excercise it's oversight duties on OPERATING programs or scandals. They are completely NEUTERED by the minions of the damned. They cannot get vital answers or responsibility from the Bureaucratic mammoth. It's gone feral..

Can I go on? Of course. But I want to see how naive you are about recognizing how broken this whole Republic is right now.. And you have a long road to hoe if you don't see WHERE all this class, sex, racial division is coming from.....

You are mistaken. men and women in congress no longer research before writing laws. Congress isn't some robot, its a collection of people. and the majority of people we have elected CHOOSE not to work for the vast majoprity of its constituents. again this problem could be solved by electing better human beings to represent us

Those folks have been made IRRELEVANT by the rules that allow just FOUR of the Party faithful to control every action and inaction of Congress. The media supports this by exaggerating the importance of those Maj/Min leaders.

The MASSIVE NATURE of the legislation PROHIBITS a complete vetting, research and writing of laws. Congress is not suited to designing grand solutions like the entire healthcare sector in one swift -- largely UNDEBATED --- action.. You get total CRAP as a result. And you "don't know what is in it -- until you pass it":

Does that sound familiar? Well Pelosi was not lying. Americans just did not get the URGENCY of what she was ADMITTING to them. That Congress is incapable of DESIGNING anything that grandiose.

Alright man, my last response to your fanatical rants. call me a sheep or an idealist, it doesn't matter. I believe that if we elect people who care about working for the people then they will govern in a way that benefits the people. you disagree, point taken

You can't get the Dem party to ALLOW grassroots candidates to mount challenges to the annointed party faithful. How the HELL are you gonna get "the right people" when Bernie beats the living shit out of the coronated power whore by popular bvote and comes up 15 delegates behind??

 

[thereisnospoon]

Oh and I forgot my FAVORITE issue. Liberals get pissed when a bakery won't make a gay cake and conservatives get pissed when a bakery won't make a racist cake.

You people do realize eating a cake doesn't affect your right to be gay or racist?

It's not the baking of the cake which has people at odds, it's the whey they are decorated..

I am aware, the point is that liberals and conservatives are on the same side of this debate. When the Indiana bakery refused to bake cakes for gay couples getting married the liberal media threw a fit. When a walmart baker refused to bake a cake with the confederate flag on it conservatives threw a fit. What both sides fail to see is that they are in esence making the same arguement. A bakery owned by a private citizen should be allowed to make or not make whatever cake they want. If conservatives insist that wal mart make racist cakes then indiana bakery has to make gay cakes, and vice versa

Sure, but it must be done with intentional tact,to avoid laws...

Which laws? There is no law against freedom of religion or speech....Wait a minute.
Liberalism is an irony wrapped in enigma
Most liberal policies are invented by self hating guilt ridden overly race and culture conscious highly offended people.
Meanwhile the beneficiaries of liberal policies blame Caucasians for all of their problems.
I listen to/watch news casts. It seems that the words "white "and "Caucasian" are synonyms for 'guilty' as charged.....
And I well aware this gives you self hating leftist white people a fucking 5 hour hard on.

 

[Moonglow]

Oh and I forgot my FAVORITE issue. Liberals get pissed when a bakery won't make a gay cake and conservatives get pissed when a bakery won't make a racist cake.

You people do realize eating a cake doesn't affect your right to be gay or racist?

It's not the baking of the cake which has people at odds, it's the whey they are decorated..

I am aware, the point is that liberals and conservatives are on the same side of this debate. When the Indiana bakery refused to bake cakes for gay couples getting married the liberal media threw a fit. When a walmart baker refused to bake a cake with the confederate flag on it conservatives threw a fit. What both sides fail to see is that they are in esence making the same arguement. A bakery owned by a private citizen should be allowed to make or not make whatever cake they want. If conservatives insist that wal mart make racist cakes then indiana bakery has to make gay cakes, and vice versa

Sure, but it must be done with intentional tact,to avoid laws...

Which laws? There is no law against freedom of religion or speech....Wait a minute.
Liberalism is an irony wrapped in enigma
Most liberal policies are invented by self hating guilt ridden overly race and culture conscious highly offended people.
Meanwhile the beneficiaries of liberal policies blame Caucasians for all of their problems.
I listen to/watch news casts. It seems that the words "white "and "Caucasian" are synonyms for 'guilty' as charged.....
And I well aware this gives you self hating leftist white people a fucking 5 hour hard on.

Accommodation laws are not erotic, but please carry on...But forget the Pledge of Allegiance which a person must recite how liberty and justice for all is a scam when even a minority is discriminated...

 

[Nicholas_1982]

Oh and I forgot my FAVORITE issue. Liberals get pissed when a bakery won't make a gay cake and conservatives get pissed when a bakery won't make a racist cake.

You people do realize eating a cake doesn't affect your right to be gay or racist?

It's not the baking of the cake which has people at odds, it's the whey they are decorated..

I am aware, the point is that liberals and conservatives are on the same side of this debate. When the Indiana bakery refused to bake cakes for gay couples getting married the liberal media threw a fit. When a walmart baker refused to bake a cake with the confederate flag on it conservatives threw a fit. What both sides fail to see is that they are in esence making the same arguement. A bakery owned by a private citizen should be allowed to make or not make whatever cake they want. If conservatives insist that wal mart make racist cakes then indiana bakery has to make gay cakes, and vice versa

Sure, but it must be done with intentional tact,to avoid laws...

Which laws? There is no law against freedom of religion or speech....Wait a minute.
Liberalism is an irony wrapped in enigma
Most liberal policies are invented by self hating guilt ridden overly race and culture conscious highly offended people.
Meanwhile the beneficiaries of liberal policies blame Caucasians for all of their problems.
I listen to/watch news casts. It seems that the words "white "and "Caucasian" are synonyms for 'guilty' as charged.....
And I well aware this gives you self hating leftist white people a fucking 5 hour hard on.

Are you referring to me? I promise i am not a self hating white person who feels guilty for the plight of anyone

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Because blaming others for one's problems is easier than actually solving them.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Yes, one must foresee the liability of their actions in business, and limit how they serve customers...Those that cater are more open to liability issues..Wal Mart does it by saying, you can buy a cake and have it decorated, but only what is in their cataloger of finished cakes, all others are denied due to inability to fulfill, because it is not a custom cake making place..
But Wal-Mart does not care if you have ghey sex with the cake..because they don't cater...

you win, you roped me into a conversation I care nothing about. I don't care who bakes what cake and who refuses to bake a cake. I don't care who uses what bathroom or who doesn't use what bathroom.

althiough if we are going to pass bathroom laws i would much rather a law be passed that prohibits sex offenders from using any public bathrooms, thats seems like the real threat

I run my business to make money..I don't care what you do in your bedroom, my motivation is to make money by giving a service...A dollar from a ghey person is as good as a dollar from a straight person...

so then I assume we agree that the cake and bathroom fights that have garnered so much media attention are pointless and have no value

Oh hell no.. If they expand the power and the charter of govt to MEDDLE in these areas -- it affects us all eventually.

So what are you saying? Are you saying the North Carolina law was government meddling in areas it shouldn't?

The state statute was in reaction to a radical local ordinance enacted by the mayor of the state's largest city. The law was also a measure to stop the rte spread of such radical left wing policies that the majority of North Carolinians opposed.
So the first governmental meddling was by local government.

 

[HUGGY]

Read any forum post in politics and its liberals bashing conservatives or vice versa. Conservatives and liberals always in lock step behind their candidate. Ask the majority of Trump supporters or Hillary supporters why they are voting for the candidate and the #1 answer is because their candidate isn't the other candidate. The majority of conversations here don't center around policy or any tangible issue. It's all slander and character attacks.

What we fail to realize is that 75% (maybe more) of the population has so much in common but yet we get divided over who uses what bathroom.

I read an article the other day about "Obama's war or police." So I looked at some statistics and come to find out the past few years the number of police killed in the line of duty has been declining. I also learned that more children under the age of 17 are killed every year by gunshot wounds than police.

In North Carolina the state legislature decided to pass a bathroom law (something magical must have happened this year that required this law to come into existence) then Obama overruled the law and the whole country went crazy.

What the fuck are we fighting about? Somehow MSNBC cares about Melania Trump and her modeling career. Somehow the size of a man's hands matters for being president. What the fuck are we fighting about.

Can we talk about debt and deficits, can we talk about jobs and growth. Can we talk about affordable healthcare and corporations writing our laws? Can we talk about spending cuts and raising revenue? Can we talk about public education and corporate fraud? These are debates we need to have, not more Benghazi hearings or hand measuring contests.

This is largely because Government is outside it's bounds. Partisans meddle in issues they desire to meddle in -- not as a set of priorities. The country has largely been on auto-pilot since 2000. Congress doesn't write laws anymore. They write huge FORMS with blanks to be filled in by unaccountable minions of bureaucrats. These excersizes (like Dodd-Frank and ObamaCare ) are subject to "on the fly" decrees by the exec branch or some agency. And they go ON and ON and ON and never call it done. Creating uncertainty for biz, and for you.

The media is the other problem. Same damn talking heads WEEK after WEEK.. Because journalist today are LAZY and stupid and their product "scripted".. Never help RESOLVE any issues by going to the hard stuff. Finding the RIGHT experts and doing some math. They think you're too stupid if any primary is an "open primary" or "winner take all" or where the missing percentages in their election night coverage went. I watch INCREDUKLOUSLY for some time the night of the W.VA. because the vote totals were missing about 15%.. You're too stupid to care why OR the folks pounding this horse can't add.

We are divided because many of us can't tolerate a "don't care" attitude about Benghazi or gross mishandling of classified documents by a Prez wannabee. Those folks see a general decline in the ETHICAL standards of government. A bathroom law that protects a class of people WITHOUT a method of identifying WHO belongs to that class is great example of lazy work ethic from government, And we are divided because other folks are feeding that division with class, race, income, sex, and other DIVISIVE shit they can conjure up.


The whole Federal process is severely broken, Congress is irrelevant, the media is useless and the 2 parties are stoking a meaningless McCoy - Hatfield feud.. Other than that ---------


........................................... everything's peachy....

Now we have something we disagree on and I like that. I don't think the system is broken. Representative democracy is a good system. The problem is the employees. Government is only as lazy and ineffective as the people we elect to do the job of governing. Government can be an engine of good, a place where ideas come together and are debated and discussed until the best version of the best idea becomes law

Uh.. No sir. .The PROCESS is broken. I illustrated that with the important fact that Congress no longer RESEARCHES before they write laws. They write BLANK checks to the agencies who supply their "research" with phoney or suspicious government numbers and estimates.

Another MAJOR problem is that only 4 party Elites RUN the Congress. No office, no pencils, no assignments if you cross these VERY partisan bosses. Nothing comes out of committee or goes to a vote without their direction.

Congress is also completely POWERLESS to excercise it's oversight duties on OPERATING programs or scandals. They are completely NEUTERED by the minions of the damned. They cannot get vital answers or responsibility from the Bureaucratic mammoth. It's gone feral..

Can I go on? Of course. But I want to see how naive you are about recognizing how broken this whole Republic is right now.. And you have a long road to hoe if you don't see WHERE all this class, sex, racial division is coming from.....

You are mistaken. men and women in congress no longer research before writing laws. Congress isn't some robot, its a collection of people. and the majority of people we have elected CHOOSE not to work for the vast majoprity of its constituents. again this problem could be solved by electing better human beings to represent us

The American voting public is at the core of what is wrong with government. Many of us don't know anything about the issues that DO affect our lives. We are mesmerized by the media's portrayal of Washington DC. The media is the gatekeeper of the information we see and hear. The media makes more money when the public is at it's neighbors throats. What gets our attention is the trivial shiny stuff that can be covered in less than 60 seconds not counting the commercial interruptions.

It is no co-incidence that the low information we get to see has gotten exponentially worse since Bill Clinton signed the Telecommunications Act in 1996. This is why I have a burning hatred for Billy. He sabotaged free press. That and the suit Fox won guaranteeing their ability to lie without consequence has destroyed integrity in the media.

The representatives we vote for are mistaken by lazy Americans for leaders. The only thing they truly lead is the way to the money trough. There is little integrity in Congress because we demand little integrity from the candidates we vet and vote into office.

 

[Nicholas_1982]

It's not the baking of the cake which has people at odds, it's the whey they are decorated..

I am aware, the point is that liberals and conservatives are on the same side of this debate. When the Indiana bakery refused to bake cakes for gay couples getting married the liberal media threw a fit. When a walmart baker refused to bake a cake with the confederate flag on it conservatives threw a fit. What both sides fail to see is that they are in esence making the same arguement. A bakery owned by a private citizen should be allowed to make or not make whatever cake they want. If conservatives insist that wal mart make racist cakes then indiana bakery has to make gay cakes, and vice versa

Sure, but it must be done with intentional tact,to avoid laws...

Which laws? There is no law against freedom of religion or speech....Wait a minute.
Liberalism is an irony wrapped in enigma
Most liberal policies are invented by self hating guilt ridden overly race and culture conscious highly offended people.
Meanwhile the beneficiaries of liberal policies blame Caucasians for all of their problems.
I listen to/watch news casts. It seems that the words "white "and "Caucasian" are synonyms for 'guilty' as charged.....
And I well aware this gives you self hating leftist white people a fucking 5 hour hard on.

Are you referring to me? I promise i am not a self hating white person who feels guilty for the plight of anyone

You just met a human dick head....with inflammatory rhetoric..

I always get annoyed when people put together a post with alot of words that when combined into a sentence don't really mean anything or reflect any sort of truth but they feel good about typing it

 

[Nicholas_1982]

ok lemme read that local ordinance and get back to you

 

[Moonglow]

you win, you roped me into a conversation I care nothing about. I don't care who bakes what cake and who refuses to bake a cake. I don't care who uses what bathroom or who doesn't use what bathroom.

althiough if we are going to pass bathroom laws i would much rather a law be passed that prohibits sex offenders from using any public bathrooms, thats seems like the real threat

I run my business to make money..I don't care what you do in your bedroom, my motivation is to make money by giving a service...A dollar from a ghey person is as good as a dollar from a straight person...

so then I assume we agree that the cake and bathroom fights that have garnered so much media attention are pointless and have no value

Oh hell no.. If they expand the power and the charter of govt to MEDDLE in these areas -- it affects us all eventually.

So what are you saying? Are you saying the North Carolina law was government meddling in areas it shouldn't?

The state statute was in reaction to a radical local ordinance enacted by the mayor of the state's largest city. The law was also a measure to stop the rte spread of such radical left wing policies that the majority of North Carolinians opposed.
So the first governmental meddling was by local government.

They opposed school integration

Because blaming others for one's problems is easier than actually solving them.

also, how many times can a state be wrong in recognition of social adversity?

 

[Nicholas_1982]

you win, you roped me into a conversation I care nothing about. I don't care who bakes what cake and who refuses to bake a cake. I don't care who uses what bathroom or who doesn't use what bathroom.

althiough if we are going to pass bathroom laws i would much rather a law be passed that prohibits sex offenders from using any public bathrooms, thats seems like the real threat

I run my business to make money..I don't care what you do in your bedroom, my motivation is to make money by giving a service...A dollar from a ghey person is as good as a dollar from a straight person...

so then I assume we agree that the cake and bathroom fights that have garnered so much media attention are pointless and have no value

Oh hell no.. If they expand the power and the charter of govt to MEDDLE in these areas -- it affects us all eventually.

So what are you saying? Are you saying the North Carolina law was government meddling in areas it shouldn't?

The state statute was in reaction to a radical local ordinance enacted by the mayor of the state's largest city. The law was also a measure to stop the rte spread of such radical left wing policies that the majority of North Carolinians opposed.
So the first governmental meddling was by local government.

Read any forum post in politics and its liberals bashing conservatives or vice versa. Conservatives and liberals always in lock step behind their candidate. Ask the majority of Trump supporters or Hillary supporters why they are voting for the candidate and the #1 answer is because their candidate isn't the other candidate. The majority of conversations here don't center around policy or any tangible issue. It's all slander and character attacks.

What we fail to realize is that 75% (maybe more) of the population has so much in common but yet we get divided over who uses what bathroom.

I read an article the other day about "Obama's war or police." So I looked at some statistics and come to find out the past few years the number of police killed in the line of duty has been declining. I also learned that more children under the age of 17 are killed every year by gunshot wounds than police.

In North Carolina the state legislature decided to pass a bathroom law (something magical must have happened this year that required this law to come into existence) then Obama overruled the law and the whole country went crazy.

What the fuck are we fighting about? Somehow MSNBC cares about Melania Trump and her modeling career. Somehow the size of a man's hands matters for being president. What the fuck are we fighting about.

Can we talk about debt and deficits, can we talk about jobs and growth. Can we talk about affordable healthcare and corporations writing our laws? Can we talk about spending cuts and raising revenue? Can we talk about public education and corporate fraud? These are debates we need to have, not more Benghazi hearings or hand measuring contests.

This is largely because Government is outside it's bounds. Partisans meddle in issues they desire to meddle in -- not as a set of priorities. The country has largely been on auto-pilot since 2000. Congress doesn't write laws anymore. They write huge FORMS with blanks to be filled in by unaccountable minions of bureaucrats. These excersizes (like Dodd-Frank and ObamaCare ) are subject to "on the fly" decrees by the exec branch or some agency. And they go ON and ON and ON and never call it done. Creating uncertainty for biz, and for you.

The media is the other problem. Same damn talking heads WEEK after WEEK.. Because journalist today are LAZY and stupid and their product "scripted".. Never help RESOLVE any issues by going to the hard stuff. Finding the RIGHT experts and doing some math. They think you're too stupid if any primary is an "open primary" or "winner take all" or where the missing percentages in their election night coverage went. I watch INCREDUKLOUSLY for some time the night of the W.VA. because the vote totals were missing about 15%.. You're too stupid to care why OR the folks pounding this horse can't add.

We are divided because many of us can't tolerate a "don't care" attitude about Benghazi or gross mishandling of classified documents by a Prez wannabee. Those folks see a general decline in the ETHICAL standards of government. A bathroom law that protects a class of people WITHOUT a method of identifying WHO belongs to that class is great example of lazy work ethic from government, And we are divided because other folks are feeding that division with class, race, income, sex, and other DIVISIVE shit they can conjure up.


The whole Federal process is severely broken, Congress is irrelevant, the media is useless and the 2 parties are stoking a meaningless McCoy - Hatfield feud.. Other than that ---------


........................................... everything's peachy....

Now we have something we disagree on and I like that. I don't think the system is broken. Representative democracy is a good system. The problem is the employees. Government is only as lazy and ineffective as the people we elect to do the job of governing. Government can be an engine of good, a place where ideas come together and are debated and discussed until the best version of the best idea becomes law

Uh.. No sir. .The PROCESS is broken. I illustrated that with the important fact that Congress no longer RESEARCHES before they write laws. They write BLANK checks to the agencies who supply their "research" with phoney or suspicious government numbers and estimates.

Another MAJOR problem is that only 4 party Elites RUN the Congress. No office, no pencils, no assignments if you cross these VERY partisan bosses. Nothing comes out of committee or goes to a vote without their direction.

Congress is also completely POWERLESS to excercise it's oversight duties on OPERATING programs or scandals. They are completely NEUTERED by the minions of the damned. They cannot get vital answers or responsibility from the Bureaucratic mammoth. It's gone feral..

Can I go on? Of course. But I want to see how naive you are about recognizing how broken this whole Republic is right now.. And you have a long road to hoe if you don't see WHERE all this class, sex, racial division is coming from.....

You are mistaken. men and women in congress no longer research before writing laws. Congress isn't some robot, its a collection of people. and the majority of people we have elected CHOOSE not to work for the vast majoprity of its constituents. again this problem could be solved by electing better human beings to represent us

The American voting public is at the core of what is wrong with government. Many of us don't know anything about the issues that DO affect our lives. We are mesmerized by the media's portrayal of Washington DC. The media is the gatekeeper of the information we see and hear. The media makes more money when the public is at it's neighbors throats. What gets our attention is the trivial shiny stuff that can be covered in less than 60 seconds not counting the commercial interruptions.

It is no co-incidence that the low information we get to see has gotten exponentially worse since Bill Clinton signed the Telecommunications Act in 1996. This is why I have a burning hatred for Billy. He sabotaged free press. That and the suit Fox won guaranteeing their ability to lie without consequence has destroyed integrity in the media.

The representatives we vote for are mistaken by lazy Americans for leaders. The only thing they truly lead is the way to the money trough. There is little integrity in Congress because we demand little integrity from the candidates we vet and vote into office.

on point

 

[flacaltenn]

Yes, one must foresee the liability of their actions in business, and limit how they serve customers...Those that cater are more open to liability issues..Wal Mart does it by saying, you can buy a cake and have it decorated, but only what is in their cataloger of finished cakes, all others are denied due to inability to fulfill, because it is not a custom cake making place..
But Wal-Mart does not care if you have ghey sex with the cake..because they don't cater...

you win, you roped me into a conversation I care nothing about. I don't care who bakes what cake and who refuses to bake a cake. I don't care who uses what bathroom or who doesn't use what bathroom.

althiough if we are going to pass bathroom laws i would much rather a law be passed that prohibits sex offenders from using any public bathrooms, thats seems like the real threat

I run my business to make money..I don't care what you do in your bedroom, my motivation is to make money by giving a service...A dollar from a ghey person is as good as a dollar from a straight person...

so then I assume we agree that the cake and bathroom fights that have garnered so much media attention are pointless and have no value

Oh hell no.. If they expand the power and the charter of govt to MEDDLE in these areas -- it affects us all eventually.

So what are you saying? Are you saying the North Carolina law was government meddling in areas it shouldn't?

North Carolina did not do it RIGHT.. Because they wrote that law insisting on the sexual designation on a birth certificate. Thus refusing to even RECOGNIZE LEGITIMATE trans people. They screwed up. Because they didn't understand how to IDENTIFY a LEGITIMATE trans person. One who is NOT just a cross-dresser on Tuesdays.

And in FACT --- that is largely the same issue with the OVERREACH of Obama with his threats when he defines the "protected class" as personal identification choice. NONE of that -- state OR Federal is correct. Trranssexuals are LEGITIMATELY identified by Medical/Psychological evaluations, procedures and diagnosis..

But that is FAR too much to ask of govt at any level today. It's not about logic and reason and problem solving .. It's all about PANDERING or causing divisions on purpose for political gain..

 

[Nicholas_1982]

you win, you roped me into a conversation I care nothing about. I don't care who bakes what cake and who refuses to bake a cake. I don't care who uses what bathroom or who doesn't use what bathroom.

althiough if we are going to pass bathroom laws i would much rather a law be passed that prohibits sex offenders from using any public bathrooms, thats seems like the real threat

I run my business to make money..I don't care what you do in your bedroom, my motivation is to make money by giving a service...A dollar from a ghey person is as good as a dollar from a straight person...

so then I assume we agree that the cake and bathroom fights that have garnered so much media attention are pointless and have no value

Oh hell no.. If they expand the power and the charter of govt to MEDDLE in these areas -- it affects us all eventually.

So what are you saying? Are you saying the North Carolina law was government meddling in areas it shouldn't?

The state statute was in reaction to a radical local ordinance enacted by the mayor of the state's largest city. The law was also a measure to stop the rte spread of such radical left wing policies that the majority of North Carolinians opposed.
So the first governmental meddling was by local government.

Ok so the city council's reason for allowing LBGT people to use the bathroom of their choice was by their logic because transgender persons face violence in such public places.

So now what i need to see is some stats. If the state is worried about children being harassed in bathrooms by transgender people then there needs to be information citing specific instances where a child has been assaulted in a bathroom and their needs to be specific statistics indicating how many transgender people have been harassed/assaulted in a bathroom. then whichever group faces a greater risk should ask for a public hearing

 

[whitehall]

We are not divided"over who uses the bathroom. The liberal media keeps the issue alive even though most Americans dismiss it and it is backfiring on democrats. The bottom line is the perception promoted by the liberal media that masks the true feeling of Americans.