USMB: Which politcal party do you vote for?

[airplanemechanic]

Hi folks. I just wanted to post an unofficial poll into the voting habits of our fair political message board. This is totally unscientific poll, so please, don't be shy! No judging allowed, please.

Who votes for a 'party'?

I vote for people, not parties. I don't even want to know what their parties are, if they have one.
I dunno, voting on the basis of "party" just seems like a herd mentality.

Fun fact: More of us are "no party" than are either Democrats or Republicans. Way more.

Yea I didn't care for the way the question was worded either. I don't vote for a party, I vote for a person.

That 'person' is almost always associated with a political party.

But that doesn't mean someone is voting for that party, it means they're voting for that person.

 

[playtime]

I vote for Democrats, the only party pro American Workers.

Wanting to usher in millions and millions of immigrants to compete for working class jobs helps Amrican workers how?

bigcorp, who traditionally are with (R)s - are the ones that hire them & the 'e verify' system is only voluntary. i wonder if the chicken processing plant where ICE nabbed some 600 illegals was ever fined & their owner put in jail.

what are the odds of that happening?

So Google and Apple support Republicans? That's news to me.

when them thar illegals who don't speak english & probably have > a high school education go work for high tech companies en masse - then we'll revisit this thread ok? but somethin' tells me that the tax loopholes they enjoy are lobbied bigley with the ones that vote to keep them loopholes right where they are.

 

[playtime]

Hi folks. I just wanted to post an unofficial poll into the voting habits of our fair political message board. This is totally unscientific poll, so please, don't be shy! No judging allowed, please.

I used to be a Democrat. Now I am an independent, but I will be voting for Trump.

Why?

Because he has done more for the poor, and middle class, than the five previous presidents combined.

you mean like when he lied on the campaign trail & said he would protect 'entitlements' then cut $880 billion dollars he took from medicare & medicaid to give to the uber rich & bigcorp in the way of permanent tax cuts whilst given a 'pittance' in temporary cuts to the middle class & just said the other day he finally told the truth & said he was gonna defund them even more?

 

[westwall]

Hi folks. I just wanted to post an unofficial poll into the voting habits of our fair political message board. This is totally unscientific poll, so please, don't be shy! No judging allowed, please.

I used to be a Democrat. Now I am an independent, but I will be voting for Trump.

Why?

Because he has done more for the poor, and middle class, than the five previous presidents combined.

you mean like when he lied on the campaign trail & said he would protect 'entitlements' then cut $880 billion dollars he took from medicare & medicaid to give to the uber rich & bigcorp in the way of permanent tax cuts whilst given a 'pittance' in temporary cuts to the middle class & just said the other day he finally told the truth & said he was gonna defund them even more?

No, the income average for the middle class has gone up by 5000 dollars. His lies hurt him. Your heroes lies hurt everybody else.

 

[playtime]

Hi folks. I just wanted to post an unofficial poll into the voting habits of our fair political message board. This is totally unscientific poll, so please, don't be shy! No judging allowed, please.

I used to be a Democrat. Now I am an independent, but I will be voting for Trump.

Why?

Because he has done more for the poor, and middle class, than the five previous presidents combined.

you mean like when he lied on the campaign trail & said he would protect 'entitlements' then cut $880 billion dollars he took from medicare & medicaid to give to the uber rich & bigcorp in the way of permanent tax cuts whilst given a 'pittance' in temporary cuts to the middle class & just said the other day he finally told the truth & said he was gonna defund them even more?

No, the income average for the middle class has gone up by 5000 dollars. His lies hurt him. Your heroes lies hurt everybody else.

Trump’s Shaky $5,000 Boast
By Brooks Jackson
Posted on November 6, 2019

President Donald Trump is on shaky ground when he claims that annual income for the typical household is up by an inflation-adjusted $5,000 since he took office. That turns out to be based on an erratic series of estimates drawn from a government survey that isn’t even designed to measure income.
[...]
Trump's Shaky $5,000 Boast

 

[the other mike]

What we need is one third party or no parties at all.

As much as it creates the illusion that we have an actual third choice, having all these wishy-washy alternatives - Libertarian, Green, Reform, Labor, Socialist...etc, has usually turned out to be counter-productive.

So my suggestion is to have an actual Independent Party, which there isn't right now.
The general idea is to have an actual 3 party system.

 

[westwall]

I used to be a Democrat. Now I am an independent, but I will be voting for Trump.

Why?

Because he has done more for the poor, and middle class, than the five previous presidents combined.

you mean like when he lied on the campaign trail & said he would protect 'entitlements' then cut $880 billion dollars he took from medicare & medicaid to give to the uber rich & bigcorp in the way of permanent tax cuts whilst given a 'pittance' in temporary cuts to the middle class & just said the other day he finally told the truth & said he was gonna defund them even more?

No, the income average for the middle class has gone up by 5000 dollars. His lies hurt him. Your heroes lies hurt everybody else.

Trump’s Shaky $5,000 Boast
By Brooks Jackson
Posted on November 6, 2019

President Donald Trump is on shaky ground when he claims that annual income for the typical household is up by an inflation-adjusted $5,000 since he took office. That turns out to be based on an erratic series of estimates drawn from a government survey that isn’t even designed to measure income.
[...]
Trump's Shaky $5,000 Boast

So your fact check goes back to 2014 to find a month where the income dropped, but then it came back again.

That's a pretty pathetic attempt to refute the claim.

Try better next time.

 

[Oddball]

I don't vote at all....Memes have a better chance of changing the political landscape than does my vote.

 

[bodecea]

TRUMP!

Well see? There it is.......no more the Republican Party....it's the Cult of Trump.

 

[playtime]

Why?

Because he has done more for the poor, and middle class, than the five previous presidents combined.

you mean like when he lied on the campaign trail & said he would protect 'entitlements' then cut $880 billion dollars he took from medicare & medicaid to give to the uber rich & bigcorp in the way of permanent tax cuts whilst given a 'pittance' in temporary cuts to the middle class & just said the other day he finally told the truth & said he was gonna defund them even more?

No, the income average for the middle class has gone up by 5000 dollars. His lies hurt him. Your heroes lies hurt everybody else.

Trump’s Shaky $5,000 Boast
By Brooks Jackson
Posted on November 6, 2019

President Donald Trump is on shaky ground when he claims that annual income for the typical household is up by an inflation-adjusted $5,000 since he took office. That turns out to be based on an erratic series of estimates drawn from a government survey that isn’t even designed to measure income.
[...]
Trump's Shaky $5,000 Boast

So your fact check goes back to 2014 to find a month where the income dropped, but then it came back again.

That's a pretty pathetic attempt to refute the claim.

Try better next time.

Is It True that Incomes Have Risen $5,000 under Trump?

President Trump has repeatedly claimed that median household income is up $5,000 since he took officeand that he has worked magic with the economy. 1This claim was cited first byright-wing economist Stephen Moore, who recently wrote in RealClearPoliticsthat “the median or average-income family has seen a gain of $5,003 since Trump came into office.”2Variations have been repeated by Vice President Pence, Fox News personalities such as Stuart Varney and Jesse Waters, policy analysts at the Heritage Foundation and others. The president later further inflated the number, claiming that the increase is $7,000 when tax cuts are includedand $10,000 whenfactoring insupposed savings fromderegulation.

The official government statistics report only a $1,400 increase over the first two years of the Trump administrationThe most reliable data about household income is released annually by the U.S. Census Bureau, which in September reported that inflation-adjusted median household income in 2018 was $63,179. This represents a $1,400increase over the first two years of the Trump administration.5However, this does not include the period from January 2019 through the present.
https://www.jec.senate.gov/public/_...-about-5k-rising-income-issue-brief-final.pdf

 

[playtime]

Why?

Because he has done more for the poor, and middle class, than the five previous presidents combined.

you mean like when he lied on the campaign trail & said he would protect 'entitlements' then cut $880 billion dollars he took from medicare & medicaid to give to the uber rich & bigcorp in the way of permanent tax cuts whilst given a 'pittance' in temporary cuts to the middle class & just said the other day he finally told the truth & said he was gonna defund them even more?

No, the income average for the middle class has gone up by 5000 dollars. His lies hurt him. Your heroes lies hurt everybody else.

Trump’s Shaky $5,000 Boast
By Brooks Jackson
Posted on November 6, 2019

President Donald Trump is on shaky ground when he claims that annual income for the typical household is up by an inflation-adjusted $5,000 since he took office. That turns out to be based on an erratic series of estimates drawn from a government survey that isn’t even designed to measure income.
[...]
Trump's Shaky $5,000 Boast

So your fact check goes back to 2014 to find a month where the income dropped, but then it came back again.

That's a pretty pathetic attempt to refute the claim.

Try better next time.

Is Trump right that Americans' incomes have risen $7,000 since he took office?

 

[westwall]

Because he has done more for the poor, and middle class, than the five previous presidents combined.

you mean like when he lied on the campaign trail & said he would protect 'entitlements' then cut $880 billion dollars he took from medicare & medicaid to give to the uber rich & bigcorp in the way of permanent tax cuts whilst given a 'pittance' in temporary cuts to the middle class & just said the other day he finally told the truth & said he was gonna defund them even more?

No, the income average for the middle class has gone up by 5000 dollars. His lies hurt him. Your heroes lies hurt everybody else.

Trump’s Shaky $5,000 Boast
By Brooks Jackson
Posted on November 6, 2019

President Donald Trump is on shaky ground when he claims that annual income for the typical household is up by an inflation-adjusted $5,000 since he took office. That turns out to be based on an erratic series of estimates drawn from a government survey that isn’t even designed to measure income.
[...]
Trump's Shaky $5,000 Boast

So your fact check goes back to 2014 to find a month where the income dropped, but then it came back again.

That's a pretty pathetic attempt to refute the claim.

Try better next time.

Is Trump right that Americans' incomes have risen $7,000 since he took office?

Moving the goalposts again. You truly are a loser.

 

[Pogo]

What we need is one third party or no parties at all.

As much as it creates the illusion that we have an actual third choice, having all these wishy-washy alternatives - Libertarian, Green, Reform, Labor, Socialist...etc, has usually turned out to be counter-productive.

So my suggestion is to have an actual Independent Party, which there isn't right now.
The general idea is to have an actual 3 party system.

The Duopoly will never allow that. That is the one issue on which they cooperate with fluid and unbroken "bipartisanship".
---- If it can be called that, it's effectively a single party that dresses up in two different colors.

That's why they have complete control over the POTUS debates. Duopoly decides not only what the questions are but who gets to participate and who does not.

And this is how dishonest they are --- this massive collusion machine, called the Commission on Presidential Debates, masks itself on the internets as "debates.org" Doesn't that sound innocuous.

 

[the other mike]

The Duopoly will never allow that. That is the one issue on which they cooperate with fluid and unbroken "bipartisanship".
---- If it can be called that, it's effectively a single party that dresses up in two different colors.

That's why they have complete control over the POTUS debates. Duopoly decides not only what the questions are but who gets to participate and who does not.

And this is how dishonest they are --- this massive collusion machine, called the Commission on Presidential Debates, masks itself on the internets as "debates.org" Doesn't that sound innocuous.

It's not up to them. If for instance, Bernie and Tulsi announced the formation of a new Independent Party for progressives, youth, greeners, anti war folks and everyone else who's fed up with the corporate-controlled Democrats and Republicans, they can't stop 40 million + voters. Sorry Libertarians---you have to pick (D) or (R), one or the other.

 

[Pogo]

The Duopoly will never allow that. That is the one issue on which they cooperate with fluid and unbroken "bipartisanship".
---- If it can be called that, it's effectively a single party that dresses up in two different colors.

That's why they have complete control over the POTUS debates. Duopoly decides not only what the questions are but who gets to participate and who does not.

And this is how dishonest they are --- this massive collusion machine, called the Commission on Presidential Debates, masks itself on the internets as "debates.org" Doesn't that sound innocuous.

It's not up to them. If for instance, Bernie and Tulsi announced the formation of a new Independent Party for progressives, youth, greeners, anti war folks and everyone else who's fed up with the corporate-controlled Democrats and Republicans, they can't stop 40 million + voters. Sorry Libertarians---you have to pick (D) or (R), one or the other.

Correct, they can't stop VOTERS. But they'll collude with each other to marginalize that 3P, paint them as weirdos, plant fake stories, etc, and by the time Election Day gurgles up John Q Voter is gonna find him/herself thinking, "I'd LIKE to vote for the 3P people but if I do, Party (Blue/Red) will take the state, so I gotta vote (Red/Blue) to stop them". Which is what we already have now, yuge masses of voters not voting for X but against Y. Nothing more than a giant game of Hollywood Squares, Cliff Arquette to block.

And what helps them bring about that dichotomous Hobson's choice? The Electoral College WTA system, that's what.

 

[the other mike]

Correct, they can't stop VOTERS. But they'll collude with each other to marginalize that 3P, paint them as weirdos, plant fake stories, etc, and by the time Election Day gurgles up John Q Voter is gonna find him/herself thinking, "I'd LIKE to vote for the 3P people but if I do, Party (Blue/Red) will take the state, so I gotta vote (Red/Blue) to stop them". Which is what we already have now, yuge masses of voters not voting for X but against Y. Nothing more than a giant game of Hollywood Squares, Cliff Arquette to block.

And what helps them bring about that dichotomous Hobson's choice? The Electoral College WTA system, that's what.

Our new motto;
Independents
(We don't all have green hair)

 

[airplanemechanic]

I don't vote at all....Memes have a better chance of changing the political landscape than does my vote.

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Don't vote? Don't bitch. Fuck off.

 

[playtime]

you mean like when he lied on the campaign trail & said he would protect 'entitlements' then cut $880 billion dollars he took from medicare & medicaid to give to the uber rich & bigcorp in the way of permanent tax cuts whilst given a 'pittance' in temporary cuts to the middle class & just said the other day he finally told the truth & said he was gonna defund them even more?

No, the income average for the middle class has gone up by 5000 dollars. His lies hurt him. Your heroes lies hurt everybody else.

Trump’s Shaky $5,000 Boast
By Brooks Jackson
Posted on November 6, 2019

President Donald Trump is on shaky ground when he claims that annual income for the typical household is up by an inflation-adjusted $5,000 since he took office. That turns out to be based on an erratic series of estimates drawn from a government survey that isn’t even designed to measure income.
[...]
Trump's Shaky $5,000 Boast

So your fact check goes back to 2014 to find a month where the income dropped, but then it came back again.

That's a pretty pathetic attempt to refute the claim.

Try better next time.

Is Trump right that Americans' incomes have risen $7,000 since he took office?

Moving the goalposts again. You truly are a loser.

LOL!!!! apparently you didn't read the article - & you didn't get the memo that donny actually upped his bragging. but all 3 articles say the same thing as far as calculating correctly & using the census bureau to do it. donny lied to you. as usual. & you will believe him over actual data.

 

[BuckToothMoron]

Hi folks. I just wanted to post an unofficial poll into the voting habits of our fair political message board. This is totally unscientific poll, so please, don't be shy! No judging allowed, please.

Who votes for a 'party'?

I vote for people, not parties. I don't even want to know what their parties are, if they have one.
I dunno, voting on the basis of "party" just seems like a herd mentality.

Fun fact: More of us are "no party" than are either Democrats or Republicans. Way more.

Voting on the basis of party instead of person only makes sense to people who have core values and also understand how our political system works. Tell me the issues most important to you, and I will tell you the party you should be voting for.

Because someone who give themselves the moniker of BuckToothMoron is gonna set you straight on exactly who to vote for...

Nope, not who. I clearly said PARTY. You got to come stronger than that sport. And I believe a moron ranks higher on the IQ scale than a tumbleweed blowing across a field.

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

Hi folks. I just wanted to post an unofficial poll into the voting habits of our fair political message board. This is totally unscientific poll, so please, don't be shy! No judging allowed, please.

Who votes for a 'party'?

I vote for people, not parties. I don't even want to know what their parties are, if they have one.
I dunno, voting on the basis of "party" just seems like a herd mentality.

Fun fact: More of us are "no party" than are either Democrats or Republicans. Way more.

Voting on the basis of party instead of person only makes sense to people who have core values and also understand how our political system works. Tell me the issues most important to you, and I will tell you the party you should be voting for.

Because someone who give themselves the moniker of BuckToothMoron is gonna set you straight on exactly who to vote for...

Nope, not who. I clearly said PARTY. You got to come stronger than that sport. And I believe a moron ranks higher on the IQ scale than a tumbleweed blowing across a field.

Think so? I'm not so sure about that, sport. But, you be you.