CDZ Vaccines, Yay or Nay?

[sakinago]

Toffeenut Baconsmuggler Crepitus
Whether or not it has been tested is not the issue and “safe” is a very relative term. Whether or not this can be considered a vaccine is also debatable.

A normal vaccine is using inactive virus or virus shards as a WANTED sign (like in the old west) for the immune system to recognize the metaphorical bank robbers (the virus) before they have a chance to rob the bank. mRNA “vaccine” takes over the cells “protein factory” section in order to produce part of the virus (antigen) that antibodies would attach too. Going back to the old west metaphor, this would be like a mad scientist taking over the police department and growing a hand of the bank robber so that the police department can then sketch out a wanted sign. Here’s the issue, did the mad scientist grow a hand that can walk around a la adams family style and rob the bank anyway if it gets out of the police department. Yeah that’s basically what’s happening with this vaccine. The creators chose to go with using the spike protein of the virus as the thing to have our body grow. It was the easier route to take as opposed to using another part. They nerfed the spike protein a bit, but did not render it totally inert. Which they claimed would not be a problem because these spike proteins would never leave the injection site, or the police station in the metaphor. Turns out they were very wrong about that. In most cases it doesn’t, but in more cases than should be acceptable, it does leave the injection site. That spike proteins is toxic, and causes quite the doozie of an immune response Im wondering how they were able to make the claim “it will never leave the injection site” with how many cases are popping up showing the opposite. Food for thought.

That’s just one issue with the vaccines. The “is it safe” question is a very relative one. If your definition is there’s a low chance that any harm will come to you if you take it, then yah I guess you could claim that. If the question is, is it safe compared to other vaccines, the answer is hell no. Over 6,000 deaths from this vaccine alone. More than all the other vaccines combined since we’ve been measuring deaths from vaccines. That’s just deaths, not the adverse reactions some of which can be major and life changing. That’s getting damn near close to surpassing all other vaccines combined. The real question should be is it worth the risk taking this vaccine? Any doctor worth their salt when asked which is better, natural immunity or vaccine immunity will tell you it is natural by a long shot. Natural immunity provides about 1000 different “wanted signs” of the virus in different disguises. Vaccine immunity is only about 50 different wanted signs with different disguises of the bank robber. So, what we should first be doing is finding out whose had COVID or not. If we were selling a normal and safe vaccine for something somebody’s already had, like smallpox, I’d still consider that to be wrong because they don’t need it. Doing it with something that’s brand new technology that’s had minimal testing is absolutely insane. Second, we know who this virus effects. Whose at risk of serious complications and who isn’t. Basically, anyone under 50 should NOT be getting this vaccine. Older than that should be a personal choice. Forcing this on kids in order to go to school, who we know barely even get the sniffles from this virus if at all, is nothing short of criminal. I’ve heard of cases where kids get the first injection, get myocarditis (heart infection) requiring some pretty serious in patient hospital treatment, and then when they‘ve “recovered enough” are given the second dose. Everyone involved in that should be given a stool to stand on, a necklace connected to the rafters, then have the stool kicked out from under them.

Now a new question is popping up. Does this “vaccine” even deliver on what it promises? It certainly doesn’t look like it’s 94% effective looking at the numbers. The reinfection rate numbers are not looking good either. Personally, I wouldn’t recommend any of my family members get this vaccine, no matter their age or health status. Especially with ivermectin looking more and more like a miracle drug against COVID. Take your chances with COVID, and demand ivermectin on the onset of symptoms. Let me put it this way, this is the only disease in which upon confirming a diagnosis, a doctor will send you home without any treatment or medication, and tell you to not come in unless you basically can’t breath anymore and it’s too late to use any treatment options. It is insane. Despite the scare porn with the Delta variant in india, India is 3X the population of the US, yet 1/7 deaths per million cases of the US. Why? Because most Indian Provinces/states decided to use HCQ and ivermectin at the ONSET of symptoms.

What we are seeing in the US with hospitals and medicine vs COVID is one giant Milgram experiment, except people are actually dying. Our doctors let state and corporate “guidelines” do their thinking for them because they’re too lazy to think, or are afraid of lawsuits by going against this giant big pharma money grab. An “authority figure” in a lab coat is telling our doctors it is perfectly safe to shock the other test subject to death that’s begging them to stop the shocking, and they just shrug their shoulders and continue shocking. This is insane. As an RN for almost 10 years now, I never thought the medical community would ever be this compromised by the almighty dollar, politics, and Bureaucracy. I always thought we’d follow the science and literature, and doctors would more often than not choose what is best for their patients. Boy was I wrong.

That's a whole lotta typing just to repeat a buncha debunked conspiracy theories.

The mRNA vaccines have a very limited lifespan in the body. It does it's thing and goes away. It's not hanging around to "rob the bank". The harmless protein fragments it manufactures do exactly the same thing as the deactivated virus vaccines do. They train the immune system to respond, nothing more.

There have been very few adverse reactions to the vaccines. If that weren't true they would have stopped them while they figured out what was happening, as they did for the J&J shot. Your "6000 deaths from this vaccine alone" nonsense is just that. Nonsense.

The number the effectiveness numbers are accurate. The simple fact is that well over 99% of the new infections are unvaccinated. That's just reality.

Your antivaxer bullshit is killing people. Stop it.

Oh I also forgot to point out that A. No it’s not 99% effective as far as “new infections”. Nor have the manufacturers ever made that claim. Their claim has ALWAYS been it is to reduce the intensity of symptoms in most cases. So, right there you just proved you’re pulling “facts” and “numbers” out of a nearby tunnel where the sun doesn’t shine. B. Isn’t it funny how they finally decided to recommend turning down the PCR rate for COVID testing down to 15, where it should have been all along, but only when it applies to REINFECTION AFTER RECIEVING THE VACCINE. Very interesting. And for those of you who don’t know about the PCR testing rates, basically top virologist at Oxford, Cambridge, Harvard, Hopkins, Stanford, etc, have been screaming bloody murder about the cycle rates being set at 30 as opposed to 10, maybe 15, and how it’s going to create a bunch of false positives. Basically, the higher the number the more sensitive the test is, and if you were to turn it up to 35, the test would read back positive almost no matter what. Using a metaphor it’s like you should be using a magnifying glass to inspect for COVID, and instead you skip over the binocs, the telescope, and straight to the magnifying glass, and now everything looks like COVID.

Nearly all COVID deaths in US are now among unvaccinated

Nearly all COVID-19 deaths in the United States now are in people who weren’t vaccinated, a staggering demonstration of how effective the vaccines have been and an indication that daily deaths — now down to under 300 — could be practically zero if everyone eligible got the shots.

apnews.com

Wtf is this paragraph? Its not even an article it’s a paragraph. It’s certainly not news. Certainly not scientific. Nearly all guys who get labeled a douche have yet to buy underwear with hearts on them. See what I did there. The language is so vague you could drive a bus full of statisticians through it.

Yes people are dying. Ask yourself why India, who was just in the throes of the terrible, no good, dastardly delta variant, has 1/7 of our death per million rate? A country with 3 times the population of the US, and that reeks of feces because they haven’t installed plumbing for most people. It’s because of Ivermectin at the onset of symptoms. If “people dying” was your concern why was our strategy to send people home after a confirmed diagnosis? With no treatments. No meds. And then we told them to only come back in when your symptoms have progressed to a dangerous place, and then we’ll treat you when effectively all of our treatments would be useless. Please name me another disease in which we do nothing for until it gets really bad? We don’t even wait to confirm a diagnosis of strep throat without sending the patient home with antibiotics. You probably haven’t even heard of ivermectin, yet you are complaining about people dying.

Read the link.

Link has been read. Your article barely addresses any of the questions I brought up. The only thing it addresses is whether or not the vaccine shows efficacy. It does a laughable job at that. It should also be noticed that I never really question whether or not the vaccine works, but I question wether this vaccine is worth the risk (as long as you’re in an at risk group and you haven’t already been exposed to COVID) now that we have a damn good treatment in ivermectin. If you wanna listen to journalism degrees pretending to be scientist, doctors and statisticians, using stats from the CDC who’ve already been caught twisting their own numbers (see teens catching COVID at alarming rates, most recent example) on multiple occasions. I’m going to continue to listen to the actual doctors treating COVID.

Your also going to have to explain why the most vaccinated country in Israel by far is locking down again. Or why the numbers between Israel and say Russia or Germany (both are sub 20% vaccinations) aren’t that different from Israel.

But no, all we get from you is “take your vaccine plebe. Even when you’re not at risk and are not a vector, take it anyway and don’t question big pharma and fauci ever. Pay no attention to other countries, pay no attention to doctors actually treating COVID, pay no attention to ivermectin.”

I quit. You just can't argue with conspiracy whack-a-doodles.

Have a nice day, enjoy your covid.

Already immune, not that it’d matter since I’m perfectly healthy, in my 30s, and sars cov-2 might be the most stratified disease across age groups in history.

and nice retort. “iVeRmEcTiN iS a CoNsPiRaCy tHeOrY”. “ThE CDC VAERS nUmBeRs ArE a CoNsPiRaCy ThEoRy”.

You know your on the wrong side when your “fact checker” sites get caught lying their ass off even when being incredibly vague with their “fact checks”.

 

[Shelzin]

So what's the point of a leader?

I know this is very third grade... But... I don't see how it's my fault that it's come to this...

If the leader told you to jump off a bridge...

 

[Shelzin]

It's not from known conspiracy whack-jobs.

uhh... *laughs*

Ok. That just suggests that you haven't actually spent any time listening to them and finding out what their credentials are. It's not like I can make you do that. So...

 

[jc456]

Any reason for masks during our pandemic is to mitigate the shedding of the pathogen where it may infect others more readily. Twelve year olds and younger are more at risk when getting vaccinated. And, the previous thinking that children are immune is only anecdotal and not borne out by historical pandemics.

but it doesn't, the particles are too small. learn something.

 

[jc456]

So what's the point of a leader?

I know this is very third grade... But... I don't see how it's my fault that it's come to this...

If the leader told you to jump off a bridge...

every demofk would jump, it's very apparent.

 

[jc456]

Well, the delta variant should take care of a few of you.

why would that be?

 

[jc456]

So what. I already took it.

why do you think we care?

you act proud. Is that what it is?

If one doesn't want to take it, they be shamed by the likes of you?

hahahahahahahahahahaha go fk yourself.

Hey, Delta called...wants to meet up.

I have no fear of him/her. why do you?

 

[jc456]

Potterhead2021
Vaccines are great !’ A huge victory in the endless battle between man vs virus

Anyone who rejects the c vaccine is playing with fire !!

how so?

 

[EvilCat Breath]

I am over 81, I've had 2 strokes and I have AFib. Since the so called "vaccine" is really a Genetic Therapy, only to be taken in an emergency, I will treat it like the killer poison it was designed to be. The protein spike is supposed to remain in the muscle but it can get into the bloodstream and head for the brain. With my stroke history it would be ill-advised for me to get a shot.

P.S. I had Covid-19 in February 2020.

I am under medication for treatment of bone marrow cancer. The manufacturer of the medication says their internal testing reveals a contraindication to the vaccine. There are serious and deadly drug interactions. The fauci faithful, who are not doctors or researchers tell me that the drug maker doesn't know what they are talking about. They are antivaxers.

I will not take the vaccine.

 

[Turtlesoup]

Tipsycatlover My husband lost another employee/co worker to covid last week--------------he had just taken the vaccine and died. To avoid claims that the vaccine killed him, they are trying to say that he must have had the virus and no one new which is what killed him-----

They are hiding the vaccine deaths claiming covid.

 

[danielpalos]

Potterhead2021
Vaccines are great !’ A huge victory in the endless battle between man vs virus

Anyone who rejects the c vaccine is playing with fire !!

how so?

99.5% Of People Killed By Covid In Last 6 Months Were Unvaccinated, Data Suggests

CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky has emphasized nearly every Covid-19 death is now preventable.

www.forbes.com

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Potterhead2021
Vaccines are great !’ A huge victory in the endless battle between man vs virus

Anyone who rejects the c vaccine is playing with fire !!

how so?

99.5% Of People Killed By Covid In Last 6 Months Were Unvaccinated, Data Suggests

CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky has emphasized nearly every Covid-19 death is now preventable.

www.forbes.com

Put a hold on the propaganda for awhile.

 

[sartre play]

If the falling numbers of sick & dying in states that have populations who have large numbers of vaccinated people are compared to those in states with low numbers of vaccinated people, and the infection rate go's up in unvaccinated areas and the numbers continue to go down in vaccinated areas that could be a good reason to consider getting the shots.

 

[danielpalos]

Put a hold on the propaganda for awhile.

Forbes is propaganda?

Put a hold on Your propaganda first.

 

[frigidweirdo]

So what's the point of a leader?

I know this is very third grade... But... I don't see how it's my fault that it's come to this...

If the leader told you to jump off a bridge...

If a leader told you to go to Vietnam.... might be a better analogy.

 

[Shelzin]

If a leader told you to go to Vietnam.... might be a better analogy.

I'm ok with that as well... I'm still... Flabbergasted that people allowed themselves to be drafted for something that wasn't even declared a war. But then... I'm of the opinion that no US troop should ever fire on any other government that we haven't declared war on, outside of defending themselves... So...

 

[frigidweirdo]

If a leader told you to go to Vietnam.... might be a better analogy.

I'm ok with that as well... I'm still... Flabbergasted that people allowed themselves to be drafted for something that wasn't even declared a war. But then... I'm of the opinion that no US troop should ever fire on any other government that we haven't declared war on, outside of defending themselves... So...

So essentially if a leader told you to jump off a bridge you're "ok with that"?

The reality is that had the US done this properly, the coronavirus period would have been a couple of months, not years.

 

[Hossfly]

If a leader told you to go to Vietnam.... might be a better analogy.

I'm ok with that as well... I'm still... Flabbergasted that people allowed themselves to be drafted for something that wasn't even declared a war. But then... I'm of the opinion that no US troop should ever fire on any other government that we haven't declared war on, outside of defending themselves... So...

So essentially if a leader told you to jump off a bridge you're "ok with that"?

The reality is that had the US done this properly, the coronavirus period would have been a couple of months, not years.

The problem is that Fauci The Quack was put in charge.

 

[frigidweirdo]

If a leader told you to go to Vietnam.... might be a better analogy.

I'm ok with that as well... I'm still... Flabbergasted that people allowed themselves to be drafted for something that wasn't even declared a war. But then... I'm of the opinion that no US troop should ever fire on any other government that we haven't declared war on, outside of defending themselves... So...

So essentially if a leader told you to jump off a bridge you're "ok with that"?

The reality is that had the US done this properly, the coronavirus period would have been a couple of months, not years.

The problem is that Fauci The Quack was put in charge.

Who put him in charge?

Wait, was that Trump? Yeah, it was.

Funny how everything that goes well is because of Trump, anything that goes badly is always someone else's fault.

 

[Shelzin]

So essentially if a leader told you to jump off a bridge you're "ok with that"?

Actually... You are saying that.

The reality is that had the US done this properly, the coronavirus period would have been a couple of months, not years.

The reality is it was overblown like a mother fucker.