Vermont Going To Single Payer By 2017. Kicking Health Insurance Companies Out

[Gadawg73]

Wait a minute, they are not kicking insurance companies out.
If you have private health insurance it is still good in Vermont.

 

[Political Junky]

Wrong point of view, we know it will be a failure and have outlined it....the problem is you keep rooting for shit that fails.

Medicare is not a failure. Many Republican/conservatives that are on it love it and don't want it changed. How do you rationalize that with your statement?

They love it, because it's all they got. I worked in a mail order pharmacy and setup orders for patients....there is a HUGE difference between medicare and private insurance...HUUUUUUGE

Most of my complaints were medicae, because they wouldn't cover equipment for their treatments....Part C gave them the medicine, but they still had to pay for things like testers for diabetes, and basically anything for their treatments that isn't medicine.

Medicare pays testing supplies for diabetics.

 

[Gadawg73]

Medicare is a runaway train wreck.
Blank check health care has to go. It will bankrupt us.

 

[The Rabbi]

Well resurrecting this thread for an update.
Vermont realized it would be too expensive and inefficient to do what they wanted and scrapped the whole thing.
Good. We know single payer doesnt work. Anyone still want to propose it?
Vermont s Single Payer Washout - WSJ

 

[boedicca]

Well resurrecting this thread for an update.
Vermont realized it would be too expensive and inefficient to do what they wanted and scrapped the whole thing.
Good. We know single payer doesnt work. Anyone still want to propose it?
Vermont s Single Payer Washout - WSJ

The Universe has a great sense of humor. I just love it when Nemesis tackles Hubris.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Hey.. let 'em have at it is what I say. But, when it fails, which it will, no bailouts.

 

[hipeter924]

Well resurrecting this thread for an update.
Vermont realized it would be too expensive and inefficient to do what they wanted and scrapped the whole thing.
Good. We know single payer doesnt work. Anyone still want to propose it?
Vermont s Single Payer Washout - WSJ

Single Payer works in multiple countries including Australia and Taiwan. It is complexity of implementation. US Federal laws and regulations make single payer impossible to implement. Same with any alternative to Single Payer, like a fully private healthcare system.

 

[g5000]

Single Payer works in multiple countries including Australia and Taiwan. It is complexity of implementation.

No. It is the sudden gigantic jump in taxes required which killed it in Vermont.

Single payer countries pay far higher taxes than we do.

 

[jasonnfree]

Well resurrecting this thread for an update.
Vermont realized it would be too expensive and inefficient to do what they wanted and scrapped the whole thing.
Good. We know single payer doesnt work. Anyone still want to propose it?
Vermont s Single Payer Washout - WSJ

It works for most of Europe, but then they don't have as many right wing whackos voting against their own interests as USA does.

 

[healthmyths]

Well resurrecting this thread for an update.
Vermont realized it would be too expensive and inefficient to do what they wanted and scrapped the whole thing.
Good. We know single payer doesnt work. Anyone still want to propose it?
Vermont s Single Payer Washout - WSJ

It works for most of Europe, but then they don't have as many right wing whackos voting against their own interests as USA does.

Hey I'm all in favor of Vermont experimenting with single payer! After all that is the concept of the 50 states as a laboratories for national opportunities.
There is absolutely NO reason a state with 626,630 total population SHOULD NOT be able to have a single payer.
NOW of course with a population of 16.7% over 65 or 104,647 their services will consume a large portion of the premiums that the other 50% having to pay the bill will be interesting for those over 65 with Medicare's share of health services at 20%

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Is it only a matter of time before the nation follows suit?

Vermont Wants Aetna, Cigna and Other Health Insurers Dead

Under a single-payer system, there is no role for health insurance companies such as Aetna and Cigna as the government pays all the medical bills. Many hope that the United States will implement a single-payer system.

In Canada, the pay for medical doctors is about 50% lower. In Norway, it is nearly two-thirds lower.

Vermont Wants Aetna, Cigna and Other Health Insurers To Be History - TheStreet

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[The Rabbi]

Well resurrecting this thread for an update.
Vermont realized it would be too expensive and inefficient to do what they wanted and scrapped the whole thing.
Good. We know single payer doesnt work. Anyone still want to propose it?
Vermont s Single Payer Washout - WSJ

It works for most of Europe, but then they don't have as many right wing whackos voting against their own interests as USA does.

Hey I'm all in favor of Vermont experimenting with single payer! After all that is the concept of the 50 states as a laboratories for national opportunities.
There is absolutely NO reason a state with 626,630 total population SHOULD NOT be able to have a single payer.
NOW of course with a population of 16.7% over 65 or 104,647 their services will consume a large portion of the premiums that the other 50% having to pay the bill will be interesting for those over 65 with Medicare's share of health services at 20%

They did experiment. And that experiment was a failure. So now those advocating for it need to explain why next time it will be different.

 

[The Rabbi]

Is it only a matter of time before the nation follows suit?

Vermont Wants Aetna, Cigna and Other Health Insurers Dead

Under a single-payer system, there is no role for health insurance companies such as Aetna and Cigna as the government pays all the medical bills. Many hope that the United States will implement a single-payer system.

In Canada, the pay for medical doctors is about 50% lower. In Norway, it is nearly two-thirds lower.

Vermont Wants Aetna, Cigna and Other Health Insurers To Be History - TheStreet

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And VT failed. Their experiment i single payer failed. So we know it wont work and we can discard the idea.

 

[Theowl32]

Fucking liberals are fucking wrong about everything. For some reason the morons bring up Europe again as though they are right about everything. Do they even research their dire financial conditions? No. They do not.

They just spout their shit as though any of them have or will ever live in any of those countries.

You have to wonder, is there a massive movement of Americans trying to escape evil capitalism to get to any socialist bullshit country? Which one?

Fucking liberals.

 

[LogikAndReazon]

Lets root for a civil servant run healthcare monoply !!!

For da peoplez sandinistas !

 

[Pogo]

Is it only a matter of time before the nation follows suit?

Vermont Wants Aetna, Cigna and Other Health Insurers Dead

Under a single-payer system, there is no role for health insurance companies such as Aetna and Cigna as the government pays all the medical bills. Many hope that the United States will implement a single-payer system.

In Canada, the pay for medical doctors is about 50% lower. In Norway, it is nearly two-thirds lower.

Vermont Wants Aetna, Cigna and Other Health Insurers To Be History - TheStreet

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And VT failed. Their experiment i single payer failed. So we know it wont work and we can discard the idea.

Didn't "fail" -- it wasn't implemented. Something that never goes into operation cannot by definition "succeed" or "fail".

Go argue with Rabbi -- he posted this earlier.
Oh wait -- that's you.

Lie much?

 

[Vandalshandle]

Wow! I sure hope that United Health Care doesn't find out about all this! They are my insurer under Medicare, which is, of course, the model for what democrats want to adopt for all ages. Somewhere, I missed them being taken over by the government. It must have happened on a busy news weekend.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Well resurrecting this thread for an update.
Vermont realized it would be too expensive and inefficient to do what they wanted and scrapped the whole thing.
Good. We know single payer doesnt work. Anyone still want to propose it?
Vermont s Single Payer Washout - WSJ

It works for most of Europe, but then they don't have as many right wing whackos voting against their own interests as USA does.

It works for europe because we take care of their military needs and they still can't balance their budgets because of their healthcare costs. You just haven't convinced Americans to be so shit ass stupid yet. You have some work to do.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

How the hell do you left wing idiots think government run healthcare is going to be any better than government run retirement?

 

[Old Rocks]

And they will experience delays in treatment and more needless deaths, just like European countries and the VA.
Why anyone thinks this is an advance is beyond me.

Hmmmmmmmm................. They live longer, have a far lower infant mortality rate, and only pay half as much for their medical system.