Voter ID: How about this?

[NYcarbineer]

Two options, neither necessarily to the exclusion of the other:

If you do not have or cannot afford (scoff) a state-issued picture ID....

1: Register to vote, get your picture taken. That picture goes into a database, similar to that of the BMV, if not the same one. When you show up to vote w/ your state issued photo ID. the poll workers go to the database, check you against the picture in the database, and then give you a ballot. If there is any question among the poll workers, you get a provisional ballot to be verified later.

2: Register to vote, get your thumbprint scanned. When you show up to vote w/o your state-issued picture ID,. you run your thumb over the scanner and given a green/red light to vote. A red light might be an error, so you cast a provisional ballot to be verified later.

This eliminates any cost to or burden on a low-income voter and therefore eliminates any argument regarding discrimination against same for political purposes.

What say ye?

Prior restraint.

lol

 

[M14 Shooter]

I'm not very enthusiastic about giving the government another reason to create a big database of our personal information.

The state already has the information in the voter registration - this only adds a picture - which almost all of have for our state ID, driver's license, carry permits -- or a fingerprint., which is more or less the same thing. There's little to no expansion in that regard here.

Little to no expense? From a government that spent $1Billion on a website that doesn't work?

Expansion. You expressed concern about "another reason to create a big database of our personal information".

Yes. Expanded. Images expand the database.

Yes. Little to no expansion here as this only applies to people who register to vote that have no state-issued ID.
If you have a state issued ID, none of this applies to you, and your pic is already in file.
So... where's the problem?

 

[Harry Dresden]

this very board posted the article "stuffing ballot boxes in Arizona"

well guess what? Arizona has voter ID cards..

so which one is it.

ID cards stop voter fraud

or ID cards have no effect on voter fraud ?

ponder that.

You don't have to be illegal to stuff ballot boxes. Some citizen illegally procuring ballots and stuffing is separate from illegals voting without ID. Though the Left these days clearly doesn't mind engaging in either as you reminded us with the Arizona episode.

ID cards stop voter fraud
or ID cards have no effect on voter fraud ?


answer the question and quit deflecting

How does an illegal infiltrator with a State-issued Drivers License who shows up to vote get stopped from voting when he presents his valid ID?

in my State it says on the Drivers License.....not a valid ID.....for vehicle operation only.... which kinda tells you he is not a citizen....

 

[M14 Shooter]

Citizens are required to provide proper ID when they first register to vote: state issued photo ID, birth certificate, etc – no one takes issue with that requirement.

Still waiting for you comment intelligently on the suggestions raised in the OP.

 

[M14 Shooter]

The OP will be hard pressed to find any liberals who are opposed to free and readily available means of voter identification. Especially a straight-forward plan that is national in nature. We show ID to register. It isn't an unusual thing.

The opposition to the voter suppression laws that are making it through the legislatures of red states is that they prevent eligible voters from exercising their right to vote.

The idea that liberals somehow condone the act of voter fraud is bullshit of the highest order.

It should not be national in nature.

The Constitution gives the power to conduct elections to the states.

Indeed -- all elections are state elections.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Given that there is no meaningful amount of ID related voter fraud,

how about we just leave well enough alone?

 

[M14 Shooter]

Two options, neither necessarily to the exclusion of the other:

If you do not have or cannot afford (scoff) a state-issued picture ID....

1: Register to vote, get your picture taken. That picture goes into a database, similar to that of the BMV, if not the same one. When you show up to vote w/ your state issued photo ID. the poll workers go to the database, check you against the picture in the database, and then give you a ballot. If there is any question among the poll workers, you get a provisional ballot to be verified later.

2: Register to vote, get your thumbprint scanned. When you show up to vote w/o your state-issued picture ID,. you run your thumb over the scanner and given a green/red light to vote. A red light might be an error, so you cast a provisional ballot to be verified later.

This eliminates any cost to or burden on a low-income voter and therefore eliminates any argument regarding discrimination against same for political purposes.

What say ye?

You don't understand the issue.
The issue concerns citizens who registered to vote 30 or 40 years ago, have remained active and eligible on the voter registration rolls during that entire time, and lack the documents today through no fault of their own to obtain a current state issued ID to comply with the new laws being enacted.

These people have been adults for 30-40 years and don't have a state--issued photo ID?
So, while you can make up this objection, you cannot provide an example where the condition actually exists.
And in any case, nothing in your response here actually addresses the suggestions in the OP.

....the undue burden to the fundamental right to vote voter ID laws represent.

The suggestions in the OP do not create a burden.

So, why do you object to these suggestions?

M14, if there is NO PURPOSE for the gvt issued photo id to be shown at the polls, then WHY DO YOU WANT IT?

Who said there is no purpose to requiring someone to prove who they are when they show up to vote?

 

[Harry Dresden]

Many of the far left nations in Europe have voter ID laws, why does the far left not want them here in the US?

We have voter ID laws.

Why is the far left against them in the US, when other far left nations have them?

Who is "the far left"?

I'm not against them. I showed my ID today when I voted. No probs. I think we should copy many ideas from other nations. I'm pleased to see that you agree.

You are the far left (just like Obama, Pelosi, Reid, etc.) and yes you are against it.

You voted twice against it voting for Obama.

Kosh you think anyone who disagrees with you is far left....i believe we have had this dance before.....and LL can be far left but he has also been pretty Moderate at times.....

 

[M14 Shooter]

Two options, neither necessarily to the exclusion of the other:

If you do not have or cannot afford (scoff) a state-issued picture ID....

1: Register to vote, get your picture taken. That picture goes into a database, similar to that of the BMV, if not the same one. When you show up to vote w/ your state issued photo ID. the poll workers go to the database, check you against the picture in the database, and then give you a ballot. If there is any question among the poll workers, you get a provisional ballot to be verified later.

2: Register to vote, get your thumbprint scanned. When you show up to vote w/o your state-issued picture ID,. you run your thumb over the scanner and given a green/red light to vote. A red light might be an error, so you cast a provisional ballot to be verified later.

This eliminates any cost to or burden on a low-income voter and therefore eliminates any argument regarding discrimination against same for political purposes.

What say ye?

I say whatever it takes to shut the RW's the fuck up o they can move on to another irrelevant talking point and carp about THAT until anyone with an IQ over 70 pukes and passes out listening to them.

Is this what passes for reasoned argument in your circles?
If so... do you get morning or afternoon recess this week?

 

[Rikurzhen]

Given that there is no meaningful amount of ID related voter fraud,

how about we just leave well enough alone?

There is no meaningful amount of rape either. The one chart I posted above shows only 1 conviction per 4.000+ men, so let's stop all of this rape hysteria and laws to crack down on rape.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Voting is a fundamental right in our society
If the government needs to spend some money...so be it

Great! Then let them spend money providing photo IDs for people who can't afford them.

Works for me

Provide readily accessible locations to get IDs. Post offices, libraries, local school
For those having difficulty producing acceptable documentation, assign them a government advocate to help locate birth certificates or other required documentation
We don't want IDs to be a "gotcha....you can't vote" for valid citizens

In CA, low income people can get a state photo ID for $8 through the DMV. If someone is too stupid to figure out how to apply for it, then said person is too stupid to function in society.

Why should anyone have to pay to vote?
It is a basic right of all citizens. Why DMV? DMV is accessible to drivers not those without a car.
It s not that people are too stupid but lack proper documentation. If they don't have documentation, dedicate someone in the government to help them get it

People live in this country without Bank Accounts and without gvt issued photo ids....why do you think that there are so many check cashing places in the poorest parts of town? It amazes me that people on this board are so uppity, that they don't even know this....? Not everybody has "the good life" and easy street and drives and owns a car...or even has access to a car....again, you'd think they would be aware of this...? Or maybe they ARE aware of this and this is why they are insisting on these hurdles for citizens to have to jump over....they just don't want all citizens to easily be able to vote, like they can.

I'm not sure what this has to do with any of that, as it is these very people my suggestions have in mind.

 

[M14 Shooter]

If the government forced everyone to get ID cards....

Straw, man.

 

[Rikurzhen]

Given that there is no meaningful amount of ID related voter fraud,

how about we just leave well enough alone?

One other point. I don't trust your side. This means that I suspect that elections you win are stolen. Do you believe that this is a healthy viewpoint for society? Shouldn't you want me to trust that you won the election fairly and squarely?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Given that there is no meaningful amount of ID related voter fraud,

how about we just leave well enough alone?

There is no meaningful amount of rape either. The one chart I posted above shows only 1 conviction per 4.000+ men, so let's stop all of this rape hysteria and laws to crack down on rape.

It's a felony to commit rape and it's a felony to commit voter fraud.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Given that there is no meaningful amount of ID related voter fraud,

how about we just leave well enough alone?

One other point. I don't trust your side. This means that I suspect that elections you win are stolen. Do you believe that this is a healthy viewpoint for society? Shouldn't you want me to trust that you won the election fairly and squarely?

You're a fucking idiot. Your opinion is irrelevant to a civilized society.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Given that there is no meaningful amount of ID related voter fraud,

how about we just leave well enough alone?

One other point. I don't trust your side. This means that I suspect that elections you win are stolen. Do you believe that this is a healthy viewpoint for society? Shouldn't you want me to trust that you won the election fairly and squarely?

Shouldn't you want to close every possible loophole in gun purchase laws to trust that a person bought a gun fairly and squarely?

 

[Rikurzhen]

Given that there is no meaningful amount of ID related voter fraud,

how about we just leave well enough alone?

There is no meaningful amount of rape either. The one chart I posted above shows only 1 conviction per 4.000+ men, so let's stop all of this rape hysteria and laws to crack down on rape.

It's a felony to commit rape and it's a felony to commit voter fraud.

That's right and clearly we need to stop all these anti-rape efforts for a problem that is so rare, only 1 conviction per 4,000+ men. Rape is about as common as voter fraud. Right?

 

[Rikurzhen]

Given that there is no meaningful amount of ID related voter fraud,

how about we just leave well enough alone?

One other point. I don't trust your side. This means that I suspect that elections you win are stolen. Do you believe that this is a healthy viewpoint for society? Shouldn't you want me to trust that you won the election fairly and squarely?

You're a fucking idiot. Your opinion is irrelevant to a civilized society.

That's thing - you defending Democrats carting dead people into polling places makes me suspect that you're up to no good.

 

[Rikurzhen]

Given that there is no meaningful amount of ID related voter fraud,

how about we just leave well enough alone?

One other point. I don't trust your side. This means that I suspect that elections you win are stolen. Do you believe that this is a healthy viewpoint for society? Shouldn't you want me to trust that you won the election fairly and squarely?

Shouldn't you want to close every possible loophole in gun purchase laws to trust that a person bought a gun fairly and squarely?

I'm fine with that. Someone who wishes to purchase a gun needs to prove he is an American citizen. There, we're in agreement.

 

[Jarlaxle]

I think we should eliminate early voting, require a notarized statement for absentee voting, and demand a photo ID.

If you aren't civic minded enough to get to the polls on election day, fuck you, you shouldn't be voting anyway.

My uncle always voted absentee...he was an OTR trucker. My wife's best friend does, also: she's an ER nurse and missed the 2012 election because of work. (Supposed to get out at 4pm, she wound up stuck there until 11.)