Voter ID terrifies Democrats

[saveliberty]

if Obama gets re-elected he will make it legal for pets, trees, fire hydrants and statues to vote.

Doon't be silly, most deciduous trees are dormant by November.

 

[KissMy]

Dead Voters

interesting

I admit, I am willing to disenfranchise some dead voters & multi voters.

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

if Obama gets re-elected he will make it legal for pets, trees, fire hydrants and statues to vote.

This administration has been fighting the states enforcement of the Federal Immigration policy, while supporting policies (like California) which prevents illegals from getting their car towed because they don't have proper U.S. identification, should tell you a lot of where he is hoping to draw votes from. Obama has fought immigration enforcement with every lawsuit and opinion stemming from the U.S. Justice Department. Now there is an opinion from Eric Holder against the use of photo IDs to vote. Should we be surprised?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...top-towing-vehicles-by-unlicensed-d/?page=all
http://content.usatoday.com/communi...-illegal-immigrant-alien-towing-immigration/1

 

[Truthmatters]

Franklin Center for Government and Public Integrity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Truthmatters]

That dead voters stuff is from a shill organization

 

[Truthmatters]

Missouri Watchdog is operated by the non-profit Franklin Center for Government and Public Integrity.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Do you support the requirement that people show a photo ID to buy a gun?
If so, how then can you oppose the same requirement in order to vote?

 

[sfcalifornia]

By the Democrats logic, if there were only a handful of murders, we should not bother to make murder against the law, as only a handful take place. No biggie. Same with every other crime. If only a handful take place, pull the law from the books, as it is meaningless since only a handful take place.

By the Republicans logic, everyone's going out risking 5 years in jail and a $10,000 fine for each voting offense in order to increase the vote by one incremental vote. Doesn't seem worth it to me.

Your comment is as weak as your argument against voter ID laws.

And this comment does zilch to further your argument.

 

[sfcalifornia]

By the Democrats logic, if there were only a handful of murders, we should not bother to make murder against the law, as only a handful take place. No biggie. Same with every other crime. If only a handful take place, pull the law from the books, as it is meaningless since only a handful take place.

By the Republicans logic, everyone's going out risking 5 years in jail and a $10,000 fine for each voting offense in order to increase the vote by one incremental vote. Doesn't seem worth it to me.

The evidence is indisputable that aliens, both legal and illegal, are registering and voting in federal, state, and local elections. Following a mayor's race in Compton, California, for example, aliens testi*fied under oath in court that they voted in the elec*tion. In that case, a candidate who was elected to the city council was permanently disqualified from holding public office in California for soliciting non-citizens to register and vote. The fact that non-citizens registered and voted in the election would never have been discovered except for the fact that it was a very close election and the in*cumbent mayor, who lost by less than 300 votes, contested it.

Similarly, a 1996 congressional race in California may have been stolen by non-citizen voting. Republican incumbent Bob Dornan was defending himself against a spirited challenger, Democrat Lor*etta Sanchez. Sanchez won the election by just 979 votes, and Dornan contested the election in the U.S. House of Representatives. His challenge was dismissed after an investigation by the House Com*mittee on Oversight and Government Reform turned up only 624 invalid votes by non-citizens who were present in the U.S. Immigration and Nat*uralization Service (INS) database because they had applied for citizenship, as well as another 124 improper absentee ballots. The investigation, however, could not detect illegal aliens, who were not in the INS records.

The Oversight Committee pointed out the ele*phant in the room: "If there is a significant num*ber of ‘documented aliens,' aliens in INS records, on the Orange County voter registration rolls, how many illegal or undocumented aliens may be regis*tered to vote in Orange County?" There is a strong possibility that, with only about 200 votes determining the winner, enough undetected aliens registered and voted to change the outcome of the election. This is particularly true since the California Secretary of State complained that the INS refused his request to check the entire Orange County voter registration file, and no complete check of all of the individuals who voted in the congressional race was ever made.​

Your "evidence" defies logic and besides, if the incidences of fraud are actually true, they are isolated incidences and do not constitute a crisis.

If I was an illegal alien living in this country, the last place I would go to is a government agency and register in any way, shape or form, risking discovery and deportation back to the country I ran from.

 

[Conservative]

Do you support the requirement that people show a photo ID to buy a gun?
If so, how then can you oppose the same requirement in order to vote?

buying a gun doesn't help a Democrat keep their job. being able to vote without proving eligibility can.

 

[sfcalifornia]

Do you support the requirement that people show a photo ID to buy a gun?
If so, how then can you oppose the same requirement in order to vote?

Because casting an illegal vote doesn't kill people?

 

[Conservative]

Do you support the requirement that people show a photo ID to buy a gun?
If so, how then can you oppose the same requirement in order to vote?

Because casting an illegal vote doesn't kill people?

so you support casting illegal votes. Thanks for admitting it.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Do you support the requirement that people show a photo ID to buy a gun?
If so, how then can you oppose the same requirement in order to vote?

Because casting an illegal vote doesn't kill people?

Not sure how this at all follows. Please explain yourself further.
I'd be very interested to see how/why you can trivialize illegal voting in such a way.

 

[The Infidel]

the facts are clear nad have been proven by studies.

You all jsut ignore them and then make declaritive statements which are backed by no facts in eveidence.

How do minorities purchase alcohol and cig's?
How do they get social services?

Just curious, and have yet to get an answer.

 

[The Infidel]

Missouri Watchdog is operated by the non-profit Franklin Center for Government and Public Integrity.

I feel so much better now

 

[g5000]

The right to vote should be impeded as little as possible. Any impediment to voting requires unimpeachable evidence that such an impediment is necessary.

So if you want voters to have to present proof of residence and citizenship in order to register to vote, that is an impediment to voting. Therefore, you must show such a requirement is necessary. Such as rampant voter fraud.

If there is voter fraud, then residency and citizenship requirements can mitigate that.

If you then wish to put an additional impediment to voting in the form of requiring an ID at the voting booth, you must once again show this is necessary.

I have yet to see anyone anywhere prove the necessity of this requirement. No one. Anywhere.

The voter ID requirement is political pandering to the paranoid who imagine illegal aliens or somesuch swaying elections and putting a negro in the White House.


So, prove there is fraud. And then prove that a voter ID will stop it and that improving the existing registration process won't stop it.

I would wager that most instances of fraud you can produce can be fixed by repairing the registration process.

Also, the courts have NOT held up every voter ID law. Claiming they have is false. Missouri's voter ID law was overturned because the ID requirement was too narrow. This is also why the Department of Justice just threw out the ID requirements in Texas and South Carolina.

To register to vote in South Carolina or Texas, you are allowed to produce many kinds of ID which prove your residency. But to actually vote, they wanted the voters to produce a DMV-issued ID. So that is too narrow restriction and it had the effect of disenfranchising many voters.

This is not an imaginary effect, it is a real one. And so if you are going to disenfranchise REAL voters, you need to show that not doing so does even more harm.

So prove it.

Missouri had to broaden their voter ID requirement, and they did. And that is all South Carolina and Texas need to do.

Not everyone has a DMV ID. But they do have other forms of ID which prove they have the right to vote.

This really isn't complicated.

 

[Meister]

By the Republicans logic, everyone's going out risking 5 years in jail and a $10,000 fine for each voting offense in order to increase the vote by one incremental vote. Doesn't seem worth it to me.

The evidence is indisputable that aliens, both legal and illegal, are registering and voting in federal, state, and local elections. Following a mayor's race in Compton, California, for example, aliens testi*fied under oath in court that they voted in the elec*tion. In that case, a candidate who was elected to the city council was permanently disqualified from holding public office in California for soliciting non-citizens to register and vote. The fact that non-citizens registered and voted in the election would never have been discovered except for the fact that it was a very close election and the in*cumbent mayor, who lost by less than 300 votes, contested it.

Similarly, a 1996 congressional race in California may have been stolen by non-citizen voting. Republican incumbent Bob Dornan was defending himself against a spirited challenger, Democrat Lor*etta Sanchez. Sanchez won the election by just 979 votes, and Dornan contested the election in the U.S. House of Representatives. His challenge was dismissed after an investigation by the House Com*mittee on Oversight and Government Reform turned up only 624 invalid votes by non-citizens who were present in the U.S. Immigration and Nat*uralization Service (INS) database because they had applied for citizenship, as well as another 124 improper absentee ballots. The investigation, however, could not detect illegal aliens, who were not in the INS records.

The Oversight Committee pointed out the ele*phant in the room: "If there is a significant num*ber of ‘documented aliens,' aliens in INS records, on the Orange County voter registration rolls, how many illegal or undocumented aliens may be regis*tered to vote in Orange County?" There is a strong possibility that, with only about 200 votes determining the winner, enough undetected aliens registered and voted to change the outcome of the election. This is particularly true since the California Secretary of State complained that the INS refused his request to check the entire Orange County voter registration file, and no complete check of all of the individuals who voted in the congressional race was ever made.​

Your "evidence" defies logic and besides, if the incidences of fraud are actually true, they are isolated incidences and do not constitute a crisis.

If I was an illegal alien living in this country, the last place I would go to is a government agency and register in any way, shape or form, risking discovery and deportation back to the country I ran from.

Yet, they supply an employer with a a fraudulent government SS number risking detection....go figure

 

[M14 Shooter]

The right to vote should be impeded as little as possible. Any impediment to voting requires unimpeachable evidence that such an impediment is necessary.

A basic, essential, necessary concept attached to the right to vote that you, the potential voter, are who you say you are - the right to vote has no meaning unless this is assured.

As such, even if requiring an ID violated your right to vote (good luck with -that- argument), it is impossible to argue that the state has no compelling interest in said requirement, and that a simple ID check is the least restrictive means to that end.

 

[g5000]

The evidence is indisputable that aliens, both legal and illegal, are registering and voting in federal, state, and local elections.

Notice how your link says illegal aliens are registering to vote. How would a voter ID at the voting booth fix this problem?

Hmmm. It wouldn't!

Clearly the problem is with the existing voter registration process.

Gee! You think maybe THAT is what needs to be fixed?

 

[LilOlLady]

PHOTO ID REQUIRED FOR VOTING.
What the problem unless you want to commit voter fraud? And Miss Rachael Maddow, a gas bill is not identification and don’t even tell where you live. Many use other addresses than their own for some reason of other. Mainly to get children in other schools. Many Illegal Aliens use false addresses to get their children in school on the border when they live in Mexico. Gas bill don’t prove you are a legal resident either. Photo identification is going to stop voter registration and voter fraud that has gone undetected for years. Those who protest the loudest are the ones who have the most to gain from voter’s fraud.
You need a birth certificate to enroll in kindergarten so granny should have no problem getting a photo identification by now. What has she done to get a job and receive Social Security and cash the check? Illegal Aliens who predominately vote democrat can buy an identification and Social Security and use them to register to vote. DMV issued photo identification should be a requirement for every American. School children included. It is a homeland security issue that protect us all.
Democrats you lose on this one.