WalMart Donation Bins Out Again This Year - Cheap Bastards

[asterism]

Walmart really ought just shut down entirely.

That'll save all those folks from being forced to work all those low paying jobs!

Why not give them a raise? Why do they need to shut down entirely?

The irony of Walmart is that the efficiencies and other businesses practices (setting aside labor) that Walmart excels at have actually made it financially feasible for Walmart to pay much better wages;

unfortunately Walmart includes in its efficiencies squeezing every last nickel it can out of its employees.

If you're so convinced you have a better plan why don't you start your own retail chain and beat WalMart at their own game? Don't you think the positive PR of having cashiers making $15 per hour would be a marketing triumph?

 

[asterism]

How could Walmart make you lefties feel truly welcome?

How about offering a free home abortion kit with every home pregnancy test?

I don't understand how you feel this is a partisan issue.

Most posters that know me, know I am not partisan. Go ahead and ask Luddly how many times I've pissed him off. I only want what is best for THIS nation. Globalists suck. Do you think for an instant that the Waltons give a shit about your community or this nation? REALLY? They're just here to bleed it dry man.

Do you enjoy your taxpayer money going to subsidize the Walton's business model? What about that is fair competition?

I thought the people on the right were in favor of the free market? How could any one on the right respect a corporation run by folks whose employees depend on public aid to survive while mom and pop stores pay wages to their employee that allow them to live without public aid? What is wrong with people today?

Why aren't folks outraged that their taxes go to subsidize a huge corporate big box store that monopolizes the industry, while they have to support their employees. These same folks that bitch about it, are under the impression that these employees that are on Welfare aren't even working at all. Or they give some argument like these folks should do something to better their lot in life. With what money or with what time?

Middle class privilege must be some form of crippling virus that causes one to have terminal ignorance in the illogical workings of one's position in life. It is almost as bad is the virus that causes the stupidity of liberalism.

If you have no money, you can't continue your education. If you have no time because you are working to pay all your bills, you don't have time for classes. Some folks do it, I know, but these are the lucky ones with a support structure, with social capital, or middle class relatives. Not everyone is so lucky.


All I'm asking for, is that the government OUT the way of workers ability to unionize. IS that so much to ask? Don't they have that right? Also, the government should stop picking winners and losers.

Why shouldn't labor and business play on an equal playing field?

I'm not saying that Wall-mart shouldn't have the right to fire employees, or the whole GD union if it wants. But, OTH, the folks that make up the union should also have the option of applying non-violent union tactics to those who cross picket lines. They should be able to educate those who would cross union lines.

The whole situation is Effed up. And for good reason. Money talks, BS walks.

Walmart s War Against Unions -- and the U.S. Laws That Make It Possible Julie Gutman Dickinson

Walmart s Internal Guide To Fighting Unions And Monitoring Workers


"OUR Walmart’s central demand is for the company to commit to paying associates at least $25,000 per year. Walmart workers currently make an average of $8.81 per hour, more than 25 percent less than at similar retailers, and the majority make less than $25,000. Taxpayers subsidize those low wages and poor benefits. A single 300-worker Walmart store accounts for between $900,000 and $1.7 million per year in public benefits costs for its workers.


By contrast, one of the company’s primary competitors, Costco, pays an average wage of $21.96 and enrolls nearly all of its workers in benefits programs. It reported a quarterly profit of $459 million last spring and of $617 million last summer."


Is that really so hard, REALLY?

Let's have the government STOP picking winners and losers and have the free market decide.

I'll bet stores like Meijer, Costco, Target etc. would kick Wall-marts ass if the government didn't subsidize their workers. Wall-mart can only exists in a Democratic regime, not in a Libertarian or Republican controlled government.

That's my position. They are corporate whores sucking off the government tit.

Hold on a sec.

There was a small local chain of hardware stores that got completely destroyed when Home Depot and Lowes came to town. The same arguments were made against them as are being made against WalMart right now - low pay, working poor suffering, supervisors on food stamps, etc.

The only problem with that in this area was that the mom & pop stores that Home Depot and Lowes replaced paid even less! The same dynamic exists in the WalMarts in our area. The employees aren't worse off because some have EBT and other assistance, it's that their previous employers paid them less and never hired specialists to help them apply.

That seems to be the thing Walmart does differently, they spend money on specialists to help workers apply for the benefits they are qualified to receive. How is that worse than the inefficient mom & pop stores paying less and not providing that assistance?

 

[MisterBeale]

I'm glad I live in the Midwest where the concept of One stop shopping was invented. The Walton's ripped off the idea from the Meijer family, who, incidentally, not only allows their employees to unionize, but also hasn't gone public.

This allows them to make all the decisions and keep control of the business so they don't have to be accountable, by law to stockholders. The profit motive is NOT their biggest or only overriding concern. They have never had growing to big or expansion so large that they lose their identity, values and soul at the expense of communities and folks they serve.

In my town, the Meijer and Wall-mart are side by side. You notice the difference EVEN IN THE PARKING LOTS. The people who drive in the Meijer parking lot are more attentive, courteous and kind. They pay attention, and wait for each other at the stop signs. The parking lot lines are straight, because the drivers have no problem pulling in and out of them.

At Wall-mart, everyone is rude, in a rush and doesn't pay attention. You are liable to get hit if you don't watch yourself. They cut you off, and don't know how to drive worth a damn. They also angle the parking space line, so you need to pull in to the lanes the correct way, or else you can't park, because none of the customers know how to pull in and out of spaces.


Don't even get me started on the service desk. Or how NOBODY is ever around if you need help at a Wall-mart. Those stores are awful. They only time I go into them is around Christmas because they have a slightly better selection if my kid wants something I can't find.

I'll gladly pay the extra couple cents a product might cost at Meijer. That extra five bucks every shopping trip is worth every penny to keep a morally decent store like Meijer in my state.


Wall-mart drives me nuts and disgusts me.

So because Wal Mart beat Meijer at the expansion game you don't like the Waltons?

The Meijer's (billionaires also) aren't exactly the salt of the earth types either.

I think it's funny that you are making character generalizations based on your experiences at one store. I remember Meijer from when I lived in Michigan. Let's just say that they weren't in the good neighborhoods back then.

The Waltons got rich by going global. The Meijers got rich by having better PR to soak the midwest union culture.

Oh, I've went to many Meijers and Wal-Marts through out the nation. I don't base it off of just the one particular incidence.

What I would like to point out, is that I think your memory as a kid might be skewed by your adult partisan political ideology though. The facts just don't bear out what you are saying.

The Meijer family does their research and always places their stores in solidly middle class or working class neighborhoods. When they do, the neighborhood stays that way because they provide good jobs, and other businesses spring up around them.

Take Flint for instance. Long known nationwide as one of the worst cities in the nation. Lets have a look at the income and crime map shall we?

The blue areas are the nice areas, the light blue and white area are places you don't want to be after dark. Now lets have a look at the Meijer locations, okay?

So yeah, as we can see, you were making shit up. Other than Burton, Meijer keeps neighborhoods nice, or they locate where there are jobs and they provide quality living and are the rock in their community. And even in Burton, you see that island of Blue? Yeah, that would be the Meijer.

The same can be said for the Meijer in the Township in Saginaw. There isn't any on the East side.

You will find the same thing repeated in Lansing, GR and down in the Metro Area.

Guess you must have been raised down in the SW corner by Kzoo or up in the NW corner by Traverse city, I don't know much about those areas. Either that or you were raised with a silver spoon in your mouth and always shopped at Trader Joe's, because I don't know WTF you are talking about.

Oh and during most of the 1970s I lived in Muskegon. Mom shopped at Thrifty Acres (the original name), right down the street. We didn't live in a good neighborhood.

I guess that is subjective. Did you live in a trailer park? Did you live in subsidized housing or receive food stamps?

No. We qualified for food stamps and free lunches but my parents would not do that. I asked Mom about it later and she said it was morally wrong to accept assistance just because we qualified, that money was needed for people far worse off. She could make it work without it. She was close, but the Carter years ended and Dad found a better job at a new company in Florida.

Great, thanks. So you lived in a solidly lower middle class neighborhood.

I thought your family was probably doing alright and you were probably exaggerating. Thank you for telling the truth, I respect that.

So you lived in a better neighborhood than most. I am sure from your point of view now, it doesn't seem that way, but trust me, from the distribution of wealth in America, if you could make it w/o public assistance, even if you qualified, you prove my point. I am willing to bet your house was probably much like the house on that old sit-com Roseanne, maybe a little poorer, but not much. I know the type, 800, 1000 square ft. type job. But it wasn't like there was a house break in or a murder down the block every other weekend, was it?

The Meijer was probably in a better location than the K-mart. You know, out by the Ghettos. Why do you think K-mart eventually was bought out by Sears? Because they were in better neighborhoods? Hardly.

Location, Location, Location.

Speaking of location. The former location of the world headquarters of K-mart.

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

Let's look at a few things.

The average Wal Mart cashier makes $8.79 per hour.

Walmart Salaries Glassdoor

That's $18,283 in a year if they work full time.

Sorry, but anyone who thinks that is fair a salary is just being stupid.

Wal Mart has 1.4M employees nationwide.

Let's assume that paying them a MINIMUM of $25000 a year would mean giving 1/3 of them a raise from the current average of $8.79 to $12 an hour.

So let's figure $12/hr * 1.4M employees = anyone? anyone?

okay it equals $34,944,000,000

Or roughly 1/3 of their gross profits last year $129,000,000,000

Which by the way 1/3 is where more economists will tell you your labor should be.

Yeah, Wal Mart can afford to move wages up.

 

[asterism]

So because Wal Mart beat Meijer at the expansion game you don't like the Waltons?

The Meijer's (billionaires also) aren't exactly the salt of the earth types either.

I think it's funny that you are making character generalizations based on your experiences at one store. I remember Meijer from when I lived in Michigan. Let's just say that they weren't in the good neighborhoods back then.

The Waltons got rich by going global. The Meijers got rich by having better PR to soak the midwest union culture.

Oh, I've went to many Meijers and Wal-Marts through out the nation. I don't base it off of just the one particular incidence.

What I would like to point out, is that I think your memory as a kid might be skewed by your adult partisan political ideology though. The facts just don't bear out what you are saying.

The Meijer family does their research and always places their stores in solidly middle class or working class neighborhoods. When they do, the neighborhood stays that way because they provide good jobs, and other businesses spring up around them.

Take Flint for instance. Long known nationwide as one of the worst cities in the nation. Lets have a look at the income and crime map shall we?

The blue areas are the nice areas, the light blue and white area are places you don't want to be after dark. Now lets have a look at the Meijer locations, okay?

So yeah, as we can see, you were making shit up. Other than Burton, Meijer keeps neighborhoods nice, or they locate where there are jobs and they provide quality living and are the rock in their community. And even in Burton, you see that island of Blue? Yeah, that would be the Meijer.

The same can be said for the Meijer in the Township in Saginaw. There isn't any on the East side.

You will find the same thing repeated in Lansing, GR and down in the Metro Area.

Guess you must have been raised down in the SW corner by Kzoo or up in the NW corner by Traverse city, I don't know much about those areas. Either that or you were raised with a silver spoon in your mouth and always shopped at Trader Joe's, because I don't know WTF you are talking about.

Oh and during most of the 1970s I lived in Muskegon. Mom shopped at Thrifty Acres (the original name), right down the street. We didn't live in a good neighborhood.

I guess that is subjective. Did you live in a trailer park? Did you live in subsidized housing or receive food stamps?

No. We qualified for food stamps and free lunches but my parents would not do that. I asked Mom about it later and she said it was morally wrong to accept assistance just because we qualified, that money was needed for people far worse off. She could make it work without it. She was close, but the Carter years ended and Dad found a better job at a new company in Florida.

Great, thanks. So you lived in a solidly lower middle class neighborhood.

I thought your family was probably doing alright and you were probably exaggerating. Thank you for telling the truth, I respect that.

So you lived in a better neighborhood than most. I am sure from your point of view now, it doesn't seem that way, but trust me, from the distribution of wealth in America, if you could make it w/o public assistance, even if you qualified, you prove my point. I am willing to bet your house was probably much like the house on that old sit-com Roseanne, maybe a little poorer, but not much. I know the type, 800, 1000 square ft. type job. But it wasn't like there was a house break in or a murder down the block every other weekend, was it?

The Meijer was probably in a better location than the K-mart. You know, out by the Ghettos. Why do you think K-mart eventually was bought out by Sears? Because they were in better neighborhoods? Hardly.

Location, Location, Location.

Speaking of location. The former location of the world headquarters of K-mart.

There weren't any break-ins in our neighborhood because there was nothing to steal. 6 kids, 2 adults, 1500 sqft. But you're correct, it wasn't the ghetto. It was a different time, people were just more decent back then. I know now that we were much poorer than we thought growing up though. Dad made about $12K per year and Mom made just over minimum wage (as a nurse supervisor!). I remember when the minimum wage increased in 1978 my mom was chagrinned that all of her employees made as much as she did. She didn't get a raise. She did more work for the same pay. But with 6 kids she couldn't afford to risk losing the job so she just kept her head down and did her best.

A funny thing happened when she got recruited for a new day job (Mom worked 3 jobs - day job, night job, and weekend job). Her current employer offered her a raise of almost $1 and hour to keep her (she made $2.90 per hour) and then her prospective employer upped the offer to $5 per hour. When she agreed to take the job Dad announced that we were moving to Florida and he doubled his salary.

So funny that Mom was mad that she'd have to start all over, just when she was "finally getting somewhere."

Back to your first point, we were most definitely not living in a better neighborhood than most. It wasn't ghetto, but it wasn't middle class. The neighborhood isn't middle class now.

 

[asterism]

Let's look at a few things.

The average Wal Mart cashier makes $8.79 per hour.

Walmart Salaries Glassdoor

That's $18,283 in a year if they work full time.

Sorry, but anyone who thinks that is fair a salary is just being stupid.

Wal Mart has 1.4M employees nationwide.

Let's assume that paying them a MINIMUM of $25000 a year would mean giving 1/3 of them a raise from the current average of $8.79 to $12 an hour.

So let's figure $12/hr * 1.4M employees = anyone? anyone?

okay it equals $34,944,000,000

Or roughly 1/3 of their gross profits last year $129,000,000,000

Which by the way 1/3 is where more economists will tell you your labor should be.

Yeah, Wal Mart can afford to move wages up.

How much should a PFC make per year in your opinion?

 

[Carla_Danger]

Let's look at a few things.

The average Wal Mart cashier makes $8.79 per hour.

Walmart Salaries Glassdoor

That's $18,283 in a year if they work full time.

Sorry, but anyone who thinks that is fair a salary is just being stupid.

Wal Mart has 1.4M employees nationwide.

Let's assume that paying them a MINIMUM of $25000 a year would mean giving 1/3 of them a raise from the current average of $8.79 to $12 an hour.

So let's figure $12/hr * 1.4M employees = anyone? anyone?

okay it equals $34,944,000,000

Or roughly 1/3 of their gross profits last year $129,000,000,000

Which by the way 1/3 is where more economists will tell you your labor should be.

Yeah, Wal Mart can afford to move wages up.

I think hell just froze over.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

When will you ever understand that labor does not outwiegh the value of brain power, thus why getting an education is encouraged in this country. And, the labor of ringing up buttons, well, really it isn't that laborious. What they should do is take Walmarts offer to join their management training program, or their educational benefits up if they want to move their careers along, so their labor actually brings more value to themselves and their families through more brain power.
And the most important point is overall, Walmart employees are happy with their non union jobs. It is unions stirring up problems.

I once was in retail. I decided to work and study hard to get more for myself and my family. And I did and was able to give more to them.

It's odd that you use the word "merit," which means good, worthy, or deserving, instead of productive.

Minimum Wage Would Be 21.72 If It Kept Pace With Increases In Productivity Study

Worthy. Only a fool rewards lazy workers

Tapatalk

Lazy? I wonder how they get the food on the shelves?

Do you suppose the Walmart CEO is working 600 times harder than the average employee?

They're anything but lazy.

As for unions, the point is that its a basic right.

RWs will always fight against rights, right up until they take advantage of the very rights given to them by the hard work of progressives.

Pretty sure no progressive "gave" us the 2nd Amendment, but nice try there pinko.

Like it or not, that's exactly who fought and earned the entire Constitution that you now so blithely trash.

The conservatives of the time were way too busy spying for the king.

Sorry, sonny boy but that's just way it was.

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

Let's look at a few things.

The average Wal Mart cashier makes $8.79 per hour.

Walmart Salaries Glassdoor

That's $18,283 in a year if they work full time.

Sorry, but anyone who thinks that is fair a salary is just being stupid.

Wal Mart has 1.4M employees nationwide.

Let's assume that paying them a MINIMUM of $25000 a year would mean giving 1/3 of them a raise from the current average of $8.79 to $12 an hour.

So let's figure $12/hr * 1.4M employees = anyone? anyone?

okay it equals $34,944,000,000

Or roughly 1/3 of their gross profits last year $129,000,000,000

Which by the way 1/3 is where more economists will tell you your labor should be.

Yeah, Wal Mart can afford to move wages up.

I think hell just froze over.

Why because you are FINALLY right about something and so agree with me? I have often opined that the minimum wage should be increased. Myself I believe $10 effectively immediately is fair, but ...........

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

When will you ever understand that labor does not outwiegh the value of brain power, thus why getting an education is encouraged in this country. And, the labor of ringing up buttons, well, really it isn't that laborious. What they should do is take Walmarts offer to join their management training program, or their educational benefits up if they want to move their careers along, so their labor actually brings more value to themselves and their families through more brain power.
And the most important point is overall, Walmart employees are happy with their non union jobs. It is unions stirring up problems.

I once was in retail. I decided to work and study hard to get more for myself and my family. And I did and was able to give more to them.

Worthy. Only a fool rewards lazy workers

Tapatalk

Lazy? I wonder how they get the food on the shelves?

Do you suppose the Walmart CEO is working 600 times harder than the average employee?

They're anything but lazy.

As for unions, the point is that its a basic right.

RWs will always fight against rights, right up until they take advantage of the very rights given to them by the hard work of progressives.

Pretty sure no progressive "gave" us the 2nd Amendment, but nice try there pinko.

Like it or not, that's exactly who fought and earned the entire Constitution that you now so blithely trash.

The conservatives of the time were way too busy spying for the king.

Sorry, sonny boy but that's just way it was.

You are NOTHING like a liberal from colonial America.

 

[Carla_Danger]

Let's look at a few things.

The average Wal Mart cashier makes $8.79 per hour.

Walmart Salaries Glassdoor

That's $18,283 in a year if they work full time.

Sorry, but anyone who thinks that is fair a salary is just being stupid.

Wal Mart has 1.4M employees nationwide.

Let's assume that paying them a MINIMUM of $25000 a year would mean giving 1/3 of them a raise from the current average of $8.79 to $12 an hour.

So let's figure $12/hr * 1.4M employees = anyone? anyone?

okay it equals $34,944,000,000

Or roughly 1/3 of their gross profits last year $129,000,000,000

Which by the way 1/3 is where more economists will tell you your labor should be.

Yeah, Wal Mart can afford to move wages up.

I think hell just froze over.

Why because you are FINALLY right about something and so agree with me? I have often opined that the minimum wage should be increased. Myself I believe $10 effectively immediately is fair, but ...........

$10 is certainly better than a kick in the pants.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

If nothing else this is an irrefutable argument against the RWnuts who claim that the needy in this country are only those who are too lazy to work.

Walmart (quite unintentionally I'm guessing) is definitively acknowledging the existence of the WORKING poor in America.

Exactly true.

And the ignorant RWs who believe this -

If people were not willing to work for those wages then they wouldn't do it.

have no frikken clue what its like for mothers whose children's fathers have deserted them to have to work at anything they can in order to try to feed their kids.

Instead,a RWs demonize single mothers and actually elect dead beat dads.

RWs hate children and they hate women.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

There, see?

Further proof of the Great Liberal Media Conspiracy.

They've even gotten to the Business Insider.

What next?

How long before Faux falls?

Business Insider has always had a left leaning editorial bias.

And what does that mean, that it never happened???

No.

Okay, so it means you have nothing to contribute.

I have an environmental impact study done by Shell Corporation on a deep water drilling site they intend to open up next month. According to them, the impact on the environment will be light and manageable.

Get the point yet?

"light and manageable"?

By what standards?

And where do you "havve" this "environmental impact study"?

In your hip pocket?

Gullible much?

 

[Luddly Neddite]

If nothing else this is an irrefutable argument against the RWnuts who claim that the needy in this country are only those who are too lazy to work.

Walmart (quite unintentionally I'm guessing) is definitively acknowledging the existence of the WORKING poor in America.

The question should not be whether the problem exists, it should be how to solve it.

Tell the rabid right.

And yeah, that's the same rabid right that says they should just go work someplace else.

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

Let's look at a few things.

The average Wal Mart cashier makes $8.79 per hour.

Walmart Salaries Glassdoor

That's $18,283 in a year if they work full time.

Sorry, but anyone who thinks that is fair a salary is just being stupid.

Wal Mart has 1.4M employees nationwide.

Let's assume that paying them a MINIMUM of $25000 a year would mean giving 1/3 of them a raise from the current average of $8.79 to $12 an hour.

So let's figure $12/hr * 1.4M employees = anyone? anyone?

okay it equals $34,944,000,000

Or roughly 1/3 of their gross profits last year $129,000,000,000

Which by the way 1/3 is where more economists will tell you your labor should be.

Yeah, Wal Mart can afford to move wages up.

How much should a PFC make per year in your opinion?

If we actually paid those young guys what they are worth, we couldn't afford a military. Same could be said of teachers (the good ones) police, fireman, etc etc.

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

If nothing else this is an irrefutable argument against the RWnuts who claim that the needy in this country are only those who are too lazy to work.

Walmart (quite unintentionally I'm guessing) is definitively acknowledging the existence of the WORKING poor in America.

The question should not be whether the problem exists, it should be how to solve it.

Tell the rabid right.

And yeah, that's the same rabid right that says they should just go work someplace else.

I will, now you go explain to the rabid left why Wal Mart going out of business would KILL those same employees.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

When will you ever understand that labor does not outwiegh the value of brain power, thus why getting an education is encouraged in this country. And, the labor of ringing up buttons, well, really it isn't that laborious. What they should do is take Walmarts offer to join their management training program, or their educational benefits up if they want to move their careers along, so their labor actually brings more value to themselves and their families through more brain power.
And the most important point is overall, Walmart employees are happy with their non union jobs. It is unions stirring up problems.

I once was in retail. I decided to work and study hard to get more for myself and my family. And I did and was able to give more to them.

Lazy? I wonder how they get the food on the shelves?

Do you suppose the Walmart CEO is working 600 times harder than the average employee?

They're anything but lazy.

As for unions, the point is that its a basic right.

RWs will always fight against rights, right up until they take advantage of the very rights given to them by the hard work of progressives.

Pretty sure no progressive "gave" us the 2nd Amendment, but nice try there pinko.

Like it or not, that's exactly who fought and earned the entire Constitution that you now so blithely trash.

The conservatives of the time were way too busy spying for the king.

Sorry, sonny boy but that's just way it was.

You are NOTHING like a liberal from colonial America.

I started to just blow you off because I think you're mal and nothing but a worthless, lying troll but --

In many ways, no, of course, I'm nothing at all like a "liberal from colonial America". But in other ways, that I would never consider sharing on this board, I'm very much like them.

Okay, that's enough talking to you. Let's get back to me ignoring you because you're mal and a worthless lying troll.

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

When will you ever understand that labor does not outwiegh the value of brain power, thus why getting an education is encouraged in this country. And, the labor of ringing up buttons, well, really it isn't that laborious. What they should do is take Walmarts offer to join their management training program, or their educational benefits up if they want to move their careers along, so their labor actually brings more value to themselves and their families through more brain power.
And the most important point is overall, Walmart employees are happy with their non union jobs. It is unions stirring up problems.

I once was in retail. I decided to work and study hard to get more for myself and my family. And I did and was able to give more to them.

They're anything but lazy.

As for unions, the point is that its a basic right.

RWs will always fight against rights, right up until they take advantage of the very rights given to them by the hard work of progressives.

Pretty sure no progressive "gave" us the 2nd Amendment, but nice try there pinko.

Like it or not, that's exactly who fought and earned the entire Constitution that you now so blithely trash.

The conservatives of the time were way too busy spying for the king.

Sorry, sonny boy but that's just way it was.

You are NOTHING like a liberal from colonial America.

I started to just blow you off because I think you're mal and nothing but a worthless, lying troll but --

In many ways, no, of course, I'm nothing at all like a "liberal from colonial America". But in other ways, that I would never consider sharing on this board, I'm very much like them.

Okay, that's enough talking to you. Let's get back to me ignoring you because you're mal and a worthless lying troll.

Even a CURSORY reading of my posts reveals there is NO WAY I could be Mal

 

[Luddly Neddite]

I'm glad I live in the Midwest where the concept of One stop shopping was invented. The Walton's ripped off the idea from the Meijer family, who, incidentally, not only allows their employees to unionize, but also hasn't gone public.

This allows them to make all the decisions and keep control of the business so they don't have to be accountable, by law to stockholders. The profit motive is NOT their biggest or only overriding concern. They have never had growing to big or expansion so large that they lose their identity, values and soul at the expense of communities and folks they serve.

In my town, the Meijer and Wall-mart are side by side. You notice the difference EVEN IN THE PARKING LOTS. The people who drive in the Meijer parking lot are more attentive, courteous and kind. They pay attention, and wait for each other at the stop signs. The parking lot lines are straight, because the drivers have no problem pulling in and out of them.

At Wall-mart, everyone is rude, in a rush and doesn't pay attention. You are liable to get hit if you don't watch yourself. They cut you off, and don't know how to drive worth a damn. They also angle the parking space line, so you need to pull in to the lanes the correct way, or else you can't park, because none of the customers know how to pull in and out of spaces.


Don't even get me started on the service desk. Or how NOBODY is ever around if you need help at a Wall-mart. Those stores are awful. They only time I go into them is around Christmas because they have a slightly better selection if my kid wants something I can't find.

I'll gladly pay the extra couple cents a product might cost at Meijer. That extra five bucks every shopping trip is worth every penny to keep a morally decent store like Meijer in my state.


Wall-mart drives me nuts and disgusts me.

So because Wal Mart beat Meijer at the expansion game you don't like the Waltons?

The Meijer's (billionaires also) aren't exactly the salt of the earth types either.

I think it's funny that you are making character generalizations based on your experiences at one store. I remember Meijer from when I lived in Michigan. Let's just say that they weren't in the good neighborhoods back then.

The Waltons got rich by going global. The Meijers got rich by having better PR to soak the midwest union culture.

Oh, I've went to many Meijers and Wal-Marts through out the nation. I don't base it off of just the one particular incidence.

What I would like to point out, is that I think your memory as a kid might be skewed by your adult partisan political ideology though. The facts just don't bear out what you are saying.

The Meijer family does their research and always places their stores in solidly middle class or working class neighborhoods. When they do, the neighborhood stays that way because they provide good jobs, and other businesses spring up around them.

Take Flint for instance. Long known nationwide as one of the worst cities in the nation. Lets have a look at the income and crime map shall we?

The blue areas are the nice areas, the light blue and white area are places you don't want to be after dark. Now lets have a look at the Meijer locations, okay?

So yeah, as we can see, you were making shit up. Other than Burton, Meijer keeps neighborhoods nice, or they locate where there are jobs and they provide quality living and are the rock in their community. And even in Burton, you see that island of Blue? Yeah, that would be the Meijer.

The same can be said for the Meijer in the Township in Saginaw. There isn't any on the East side.

You will find the same thing repeated in Lansing, GR and down in the Metro Area.

Guess you must have been raised down in the SW corner by Kzoo or up in the NW corner by Traverse city, I don't know much about those areas. Either that or you were raised with a silver spoon in your mouth and always shopped at Trader Joe's, because I don't know WTF you are talking about.

So to prove I am "making shit up" please provide the locations and crime statistics for Meijers in Grand Rapids, Muskegon, and Traverse City during the 1970s.

That's the problem with you people, when someone's observation conflicts with your talking point you accuse them of lying.

Well then, I apologize.. I guess in this area, we just have different perceptions and different observations. You very well could be right. I don't have the time or inclination to prove out your biases. I only know the business model and my hunch is you are letting your anger and ego cloud your judgement.

But no, I am not calling you a liar. I am just stating that you could be mistaken in your memories. I don't know how many years have past since you experienced them.

Everyone is allowed a different point of view.

Nope, I don't think you are lying. I just know that people do let their point of view color their memories. How long ago was it that you were there? Two years, Five years, a decade? That would be important, don't you think?

Important New Theory Explains Where Old Memories Go - Scientific American

Apology accepted, you're a stand up guy for offering it.

I fully admit that my biases can and do cloud my perception, it happens to everyone. I know that Meijer has done a very good job at managing their image and the Meijer today is not at all what Thrifty Acres was.

Back to the premise of this thread, I don't see an issue with employees helping other employees. While it's terrible to have people in situations where they need assistance while working, the solution isn't to just decree that someone else give them enough money to then subsist or thrive. These people aren't needy because WalMart is paying them too little (same 3% under market than Meijer btw), they are needy due to factors out of WalMart's control.

Do you work for a living?

Would you be okay with your fellow workers digging into their own pockets to pay you what your employers refuses to pay you?

I would not be.

Besides, it has been posted many times that Walmart ALSO put out charity boxes so their customers could pay the wage they refuse to pay themselves.

Why should anyone have to subsidize a company that does as well as this one does while simultaneously refusing to help those who actually need it?

Why is it that RWs only want to subsidize the very wealthy or the criminal?

If you want to subsidize Walmart, go shop there. I believe they should pay their own costs of doing business, just as I did when I ran my own business.

 

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When will you ever understand that labor does not outwiegh the value of brain power, thus why getting an education is encouraged in this country. And, the labor of ringing up buttons, well, really it isn't that laborious. What they should do is take Walmarts offer to join their management training program, or their educational benefits up if they want to move their careers along, so their labor actually brings more value to themselves and their families through more brain power.
And the most important point is overall, Walmart employees are happy with their non union jobs. It is unions stirring up problems.

I once was in retail. I decided to work and study hard to get more for myself and my family. And I did and was able to give more to them.

Worthy. Only a fool rewards lazy workers

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Lazy? I wonder how they get the food on the shelves?

Do you suppose the Walmart CEO is working 600 times harder than the average employee?

They're anything but lazy.

As for unions, the point is that its a basic right.

RWs will always fight against rights, right up until they take advantage of the very rights given to them by the hard work of progressives.

Pretty sure no progressive "gave" us the 2nd Amendment, but nice try there pinko.

Like it or not, that's exactly who fought and earned the entire Constitution that you now so blithely trash.

The conservatives of the time were way too busy spying for the king.

Sorry, sonny boy but that's just way it was.

Oh, you're using the convenient non-contextual definition of "progressive."

Fair enough.

I've never considered myself a "conservative" in that context because I've so rarely been in favor of the status quo. Although you'd be hard pressed to reconcile the founders of this nation as anything resembling the modern-day progressive. They were pro-freedom, anti-government as much as possible, huge gun nuts, anti-tax, and they didn't want to be part of a learned collective. But they had slaves and judged people by the color of their skin, so there's that one progressive trait.

So good luck with that one.


I'll have to remember your firm support for the 2nd Amendment as it is written.