Was Bush the worst President ever?

[poet]

But needlessly intervening in Vietnam made total sense!

Yeah, and who started that one?

The administration of President Dwight D. Eisenhower undertook instead to build a nation from the spurious political entity that was South Vietnam by fabricating a government there, taking over control from the French, dispatching military advisers to train a South Vietnamese army, and unleashing the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) to conduct psychological warfare against the North.
The Causes of the Vietnam War

it was not really a hot war until LBJ really expanded our effor there.

It was in response to China's imperialistic designs...to counter our own. I read the book. We tried to influence that part of the world, right under China's nose, and failed. How many needless deaths did that cause? Betcha only a few rich white people died, in the long run...but those are the only ones that count, right?

 

[Mertex]

Yeah, and who started that one?

The administration of President Dwight D. Eisenhower undertook instead to build a nation from the spurious political entity that was South Vietnam by fabricating a government there, taking over control from the French, dispatching military advisers to train a South Vietnamese army, and unleashing the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) to conduct psychological warfare against the North.
The Causes of the Vietnam War

Who starts any and all U.S. wars? Republicans.

Who knew that Wilson, FDR, Truman and LBJ were republicans?

Talk about Bumpkins!
Wilson did not start WWI:

President Wilson did Not start WWI. He tried his best to keep the USA out of WWI. WWI was started when Galvo Princip shot and killed the Archduke Ferdinand and his wife the Duchess Sophia. This led to a lot of European nations declaring war on one another. After the USA found out that Germany was trying to get Mexico to declare war on the USA, then the USA declared war on Germany.
Why did president Wilson start World War 1

And FDR/Truman started "real necessary wars" not bogus wars like Bush.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Who starts any and all U.S. wars? Republicans.

Actually Democrats. Let's not forget they spied for Stalin and gave him the bomb. The USSR, Red China, and communism never would have existed if not for liberal support ! Jefferson's Republican shot heard around the world would have prevailed except for liberal opposition.

 

[poet]

Yeah, and who started that one?

The administration of President Dwight D. Eisenhower undertook instead to build a nation from the spurious political entity that was South Vietnam by fabricating a government there, taking over control from the French, dispatching military advisers to train a South Vietnamese army, and unleashing the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) to conduct psychological warfare against the North.
The Causes of the Vietnam War

Who starts any and all U.S. wars? Republicans.

Who knew that Wilson, FDR, Truman and LBJ were republicans?

First of all...the Democrats back then, are now known as Republicans today. Second, FDR, didn't start WWII...he responded to the attack on Pearl Harbor. Our hand was forced. Truman ended the war.
LBJ, tried to finish the folly that Eisenhower started and JFK indulged. Hello? Don't try me on history.

 

[Oddball]

Yeah, and who started that one?

The administration of President Dwight D. Eisenhower undertook instead to build a nation from the spurious political entity that was South Vietnam by fabricating a government there, taking over control from the French, dispatching military advisers to train a South Vietnamese army, and unleashing the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) to conduct psychological warfare against the North.
The Causes of the Vietnam War

it was not really a hot war until LBJ really expanded our effor there.

It was in response to China's imperialistic designs...to counter our own. I read the book. We tried to influence that part of the world, right under China's nose, and failed. How many needless deaths did that cause? Betcha only a few rich white people died, in the long run...but those are the only ones that count, right?

Influence peddling and covert ops aren't even on the same planet as starting a hot war that kills hundreds of thousands.

Fucking liberoidal assholes will go to any length to make excuses for the greatest American mass murderer of the last 60 years.

 

[Oddball]

Who starts any and all U.S. wars? Republicans.

Who knew that Wilson, FDR, Truman and LBJ were republicans?

First of all...the Democrats back then, are now known as Republicans today. Second, FDR, didn't start WWII...he responded to the attack on Pearl Harbor. Our hand was forced. Truman ended the war.
LBJ, tried to finish the folly that Eisenhower started and JFK indulged. Hello? Don't try me on history.

Wow....Just wow.

You are one stupid muthfuckah!

 

[poet]

Who starts any and all U.S. wars? Republicans.

Actually Democrats. Let's not forget they spied for Stalin and gave him the bomb. The USSR, Red China, and communism never would have existed if not for liberal support ! Jefferson's Republican shot heard around the world would have prevailed except for liberal opposition.

BS. Find the evidence to support that nonsense and post it right here, and I'll pick it apart line by line.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

It was in response to China's imperialistic designs...to counter our own.

dear, China had killed 65 million very slowly with their liberal ideology. We had a moral obligation to promote capitalism and freedom in Vietnam and China.

 

[Londoner]

Republicans have been lied to about Bush's role in the housing meltdown. Please watch this video and listen to Bush's words. Listen to his plans for putting poor people and minorities in homes. This is the smoking gun.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNqQx7sjoS8

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Who starts any and all U.S. wars? Republicans.

Actually Democrats. Let's not forget they spied for Stalin and gave him the bomb. The USSR, Red China, and communism never would have existed if not for liberal support ! Jefferson's Republican shot heard around the world would have prevailed except for liberal opposition.

BS. Find the evidence to support that nonsense and post it right here, and I'll pick it apart line by line.

what nonsense in particular??? Why be so afraid to say??

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Republicans have been lied to about Bush's role in the housing meltdown. Please watch this video and listen to Bush's words. Listen to his plans for putting poor people and minorities in homes. This is the smoking gun.
Home Ownership and President Bush - YouTube

dear, Bush did not create Fed Fanny Freddie SEC FDIC FHA etc etc. He was a minor player at best.

 

[Faun]

Worst - Obama
Ties for second worst - Carter/Clinton

While you're certainly entitled to your opinion, most people disagree with you.

The aggregate ranking from polls taken:

Obama: 14
Clinton: 20
Carter: 27
Bush: 34

Historical rankings of Presidents of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[poet]

Actually Democrats. Let's not forget they spied for Stalin and gave him the bomb. The USSR, Red China, and communism never would have existed if not for liberal support ! Jefferson's Republican shot heard around the world would have prevailed except for liberal opposition.

BS. Find the evidence to support that nonsense and post it right here, and I'll pick it apart line by line.

what nonsense in particular??? Why be so afraid to say??

Oh, now you want to play games and semantics...Everything you wrote, moron.

 

[Faun]

FDR put selected American citizens behind barbed wire for the duration of WW2. Truman was probably the worst president in modern history but the left has propped up his legacy with fake cliches. LBJ got us into Vietnam with a fake crisis and Bill Clinton was the only president in history who was accused of rape.

Appended list to include your picks...

FDR ......... 2
Truman ...... 7
Obama ...... 14
LBJ ........ 14
Clinton .... 20
Carter ..... 27
Bush ....... 34

Historical rankings of Presidents of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Oh, and by the way, you're wrong about Clinton being the only president to be accused of rape..

Margie Schoedinger accused Bush of raping her.

Selene Walters accused Reagan of raping her.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

actually Bush freed the Kurds and they love him for it. And, he(and all our allies) gave Iraq and Afghanistan a shot at freedom much like the French gave us a shot! To a freedom hating liberal that would make Bush the worst ever.

Is that what Faux News is pushing lately? Iraqis are far worse now than they were when Hussein was in power, and all that taxpayer money that was spent destroying it and that is still going into helping them create a democracy is just money down the drain. So, yeah, conservatives who "hate" spending won't admit that it makes Bush "worst".

And so it came to pass. The greatest weapon of mass destruction turned out to be the invasion itself. Over the past ten years, Iraqis have witnessed the physical, social and economic destruction of their country – the aerial demolition of schools, homes and hospitals; the siege of cities such as Fallujah; US-led massacres at Haditha, Mahmudiyah and Balad; the biggest refugee crisis in the Middle East since the ethnic cleansing of Palestine in 1948.
The hawks were wrong: Iraq is worse off now

Also, if Bush was weak on the economy it was by not in getting rid of the liberals agencies: Fed SEC Fanny Freddy FHA, FDIC etc that caused the housing crisis. That one is too complex for a liberal to understand.

What caused the housing crisis was/is Republican/conservative ideology that companies, corporations will regulate themselves and therefor we need to cut out regulations. That's what caused the economy melt-down.

We just had an example of Republican's idea that companies regulate themselves in West, Texas, where a fertilizer company exploded because it hadn't been inspected in years!

Records: Texas plant hadn't told feds about explosive fertilizer - CNN.com

What caused the housing crisis was/is Republican/conservative ideology that companies, corporations will regulate themselves and therefor we need to cut out regulations. That's what caused the economy melt-down.

Which regulations did Bush cut?
When did the bill pass?
Give some details.

 

[Londoner]

Rather than targeting the criminals who attacked us, bin Laden/Al Qaeda, Bush created a grand war for civilization – a war against evil, an open ended war without budget-limitations, without method, and without end. He fucking bankrupted this country to pursue a pre-planned invasion of Iraq, which had been reduced to liquid shit because of 10 years of sanctions and bombing campaigns. Bush was told that the removal of Hussein would result in chaos – a terminal Civil War which would make Iran stronger. He ignored it because he knew that the resulting instability would create exactly the context required to further militarize the region in accordance with the neocon plan as laid out in the Project for a New American Century.

Bush started a war under false pretenses. He is far worse than a bad precedent.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

BS. Find the evidence to support that nonsense and post it right here, and I'll pick it apart line by line.

what nonsense in particular??? Why be so afraid to say??

Oh, now you want to play games and semantics...Everything you wrote, moron.

dear pick something specific if you want your lesson to begin. What are you afraid of?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Iraqis are far worse now than they were when Hussein was in power,

too stupid!! Now they have divided power and democracy. The kurds are free and love us!!! That's far far better than Saddam or Hitler in power. Don't know what the future is but it is far far better than the future under Saddam. Too bad freedom and democracy isn't free, right??

 

[Faun]

actually Bush freed the Kurds and they love him for it. And, he(and all our allies) gave Iraq and Afghanistan a shot at freedom much like the French gave us a shot! To a freedom hating liberal that would make Bush the worst ever.

Is that what Faux News is pushing lately? Iraqis are far worse now than they were when Hussein was in power, and all that taxpayer money that was spent destroying it and that is still going into helping them create a democracy is just money down the drain. So, yeah, conservatives who "hate" spending won't admit that it makes Bush "worst".

And so it came to pass. The greatest weapon of mass destruction turned out to be the invasion itself. Over the past ten years, Iraqis have witnessed the physical, social and economic destruction of their country – the aerial demolition of schools, homes and hospitals; the siege of cities such as Fallujah; US-led massacres at Haditha, Mahmudiyah and Balad; the biggest refugee crisis in the Middle East since the ethnic cleansing of Palestine in 1948.
The hawks were wrong: Iraq is worse off now

Also, if Bush was weak on the economy it was by not in getting rid of the liberals agencies: Fed SEC Fanny Freddy FHA, FDIC etc that caused the housing crisis. That one is too complex for a liberal to understand.

What caused the housing crisis was/is Republican/conservative ideology that companies, corporations will regulate themselves and therefor we need to cut out regulations. That's what caused the economy melt-down.

We just had an example of Republican's idea that companies regulate themselves in West, Texas, where a fertilizer company exploded because it hadn't been inspected in years!

Records: Texas plant hadn't told feds about explosive fertilizer - CNN.com

What caused the housing crisis was/is Republican/conservative ideology that companies, corporations will regulate themselves and therefor we need to cut out regulations. That's what caused the economy melt-down.

Which regulations did Bush cut?
When did the bill pass?
Give some details.

Bush contributed to it with his homeownership program to help minorities get loans they couldn't afford.

Bush Minority Homeownership Plan Rests Heavily on Fannie and Freddie

When President Bush announced his Minority Homeownership plans last week in Atlanta, his top priorities were new federal programs: a $2.4 billion tax credit to facilitate home purchases by lower-income first-time buyers, and a $200 million national downpayment grant fund.

But none of the new federal programs--if passed by Congress--will come even close to achieving the 5.5 million-household increase in minority homeownership the President set as his target.

Instead, most of the heavy lifting was assigned to two mortgage market players that have sometimes come under fire from Bush administration officials and Congressional Republicans: Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

Fannie's and Freddie's commitments are the bedrock core of the President's ambitious plans--but didn't get the headlines. Fannie Mae agreed to increase its already substantial lending efforts to minority families by targeting another $260 billion of mortgage purchases to them during the next nine years. Freddie Mac agreed to buy an additional $180 billion in minority-household home loans during the same period.

Besides its $180 billion mortgage purchase commitment, Freddie Mac gave President Bush a promise to implement a 25-point program aimed at increasing minority homeownership. Some of the points were cutting-edge. For example, as part of an effort to remove the fear of financial loss from first-time minority home buyers, Freddie committed itself to "explor(e) the viability of equity assurance products to protect home values in economically distressed areas."

Pressed for details on "equity assurance" by RealtyTimes, Freddie Mac vice president Craig S. Nickerson said the idea is still at an embryonic stage, but might involve limited guarantees or insurance coverage to protect buyers from the possibility of loss of their initial equity stakes should property values in their neighborhoods decline.​

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

The hawks were wrong: Iraq is worse off now

after WW2 you could have easily said the Germans were worse off too- right?