Was "Make America great again" a cultural OR economic slogan?

[nat4900]

It's not about what we like or want. It's about what the Founding Documents say the Government is and is not supposed to be involved in.

BULLSHIT..........The "founding documents" obviously allow for AMENDMENTS, since those smart guys back in the 18th century well KNEW that changes and additions NEEDED to be made.

 

[Harry Dresden]

He meant make SCOTUS less Fascist, and he did

hey, moron, ALL that Trump did was replace an all out right wing maniac, SCALIA, with a slightly less right wing maniac, GORSUCH......

Think before you type.

i dont know nat,i seen on a few political talk shows some lefties on there saying they thought gorsuch wasnt to bad a guy,but right wing maniac?.....i did not get that impression from them at all...

 

[Harry Dresden]

Polls show that the vast majority of Trump's undaunted and never discouraged base is made up of older (retired,) white, evangelical Americans, who are willing to forgo (if not outright forgive) the less than stellar business and personal history of Trump.

Bankruptcies, divorces, pending law suits, and the impending investigations, ALL seem frivolous to that base of trump supporters.....

So, the question arose in my mind if that "make America great gain" slogan had a cultural or economic appeal to voters last November......FULLY realizing that most trump supporters would respond to my question with the facile "BOTH," a closer scrutiny may yield a more nuanced response.

It is cultural. All those older white people saw a black man as president, elected twice, and in THEIR minds they saw this as the world changing around them and they were not ready for it AT ALL. Many of them are racist, some are casual racists, some aren't but they still saw the world around them as TOO different TOO fast for them to handle. Trump was just the protest vote of all those people who said "oh yeah force me to accept a black president and gay marriage? Well then here is my gigantic shit on the White House, now you get to smell that for four years."

It was a revenge vote, in their minds anyway.

so isnt this now kind of the same situation for the democrats?....they see this chubby big mouthed opinionated old white guy as president,out campaigning their candidate,"the most qualified woman ever to run".....and in their minds they saw this as the world changing around them and they were not ready for it AT ALL.....and trump was the protest vote for many who felt Clinton was a worse person than trump...so there was a gigantic shit on the democrats for picking a not well liked person with a baggage train so long you could not see the end....

This current conservative meme, that EVERYTHING is some false equivalency is just so fucking ponderous to have to see over and over.

There is no equivalency. You take all these disparate things and try to put them all into some muddied up goulash and try to stir everything together and claim it's all the same thing. Sorry, it isn't.

It is so mentally lazy to constantly claim 'well everyone is the same so nobody is that bad really'. BULL SHIT. The OP is about Trump, if you can't make an argument on that just admit it and bow out. Why is that so hard?

oh im sorry,i didnt know you cant converse.....all you have told me is that i am right and YOU are one of those i am talking about....nat agreed with me thats good enough for me.....if you cant converse on the shit you throw up maybe you should bow out ....why is that so hard for you to understand?....

 

[Harry Dresden]

With Democrats it would have to be a Contract Against America, since they find the Founding Documents too restrictive and limiting to carry out their Socialist agenda.

I don't expect for you to understand, but for others that are a bit more objective.....what the Democrats have done for common Americans certainly beats their many, many mistakes......Here are a few benefits enjoyed by even the likes of you:

• Social Security
• Medicare, Medicaid, Healthcare Reform, Food Safety
• New Deal, Great Society, Peace Corp, Vista, Job Corp
• Civil Rights, Women’s Right to Vote, Equal Rights, The Voting Rights Act, Equal Pay Act,
• Consumer Protection, FDIC, Banking and Wall Street Regulations, SEC, Federal Reserve System, Anti-trust Legislation
• Funding for Science, Medical and Engineering Research, Space Exploration, NSF, NIH
• Support for Public Education, Head Start, School Lunch and Breakfast Programs
• NLRB, 8 hr. Work Day/40 hr. Work Week, Overtime, Unemployment
• Protection for the Environment, Increased Numbers and Support of National Parks and Wilderness Areas, Endangered Species Act, FEMA
• Veterans’ Benefits, GI Bill
• UN, NATO, Marshall Plan
• Vehicles Safety Requirements, Reduced Emissions, and Fuel Economy Standards (CAFE)
• TVA, Federal Loan Program, PBS, NPR, the Internet

nat i believe Eisenhower established NASA back in 1958.....and Nixon the EPA in 1970......just sayin....

 

[Avatar4321]

Both I presume.

Problem is electing a politician does not accomplish this because politics and policy has never been why America was great.

America was great because America was good. The people were.

Now unfortunately we are a wicked people. We need to repent and change our ways id we wish to be great again. And not just live off our forbearers' greatness

 

[Harry Dresden]

I don't expect for you to understand, but for others that are a bit more objective.....what the Democrats have done for common Americans certainly beats their many, many mistakes......Here are a few benefits enjoyed by even the likes of you:

• Social Security
• Medicare, Medicaid, Healthcare Reform, Food Safety
• New Deal, Great Society, Peace Corp, Vista, Job Corp
• Civil Rights, Women’s Right to Vote, Equal Rights, The Voting Rights Act, Equal Pay Act,
• Consumer Protection, FDIC, Banking and Wall Street Regulations, SEC, Federal Reserve System, Anti-trust Legislation
• Funding for Science, Medical and Engineering Research, Space Exploration, NSF, NIH
• Support for Public Education, Head Start, School Lunch and Breakfast Programs
• NLRB, 8 hr. Work Day/40 hr. Work Week, Overtime, Unemployment
• Protection for the Environment, Increased Numbers and Support of National Parks and Wilderness Areas, Endangered Species Act, FEMA
• Veterans’ Benefits, GI Bill
• UN, NATO, Marshall Plan
• Vehicles Safety Requirements, Reduced Emissions, and Fuel Economy Standards (CAFE)
• TVA, Federal Loan Program, PBS, NPR, the Internet

With the exception of the Civil Rights Act and Veterans benefits, not a single one of those items is Constitutional, Legal, or Moral.

helping people and the environment isnt moral?....

 

[Anathema]

BULLSHIT..........The "founding documents" obviously allow for AMENDMENTS, since those smart guys back in the 18th century well KNEW that changes and additions NEEDED to be made.

Then amend the document to allow for those things. The ban on female voting/rights is a simple Morality issue.

 

[Anathema]

helping people and the environment isnt moral?....

Nope

 

[Indeependent]

Polls show that the vast majority of Trump's undaunted and never discouraged base is made up of older (retired,) white, evangelical Americans, who are willing to forgo (if not outright forgive) the less than stellar business and personal history of Trump.

Bankruptcies, divorces, pending law suits, and the impending investigations, ALL seem frivolous to that base of trump supporters.....

So, the question arose in my mind if that "make America great gain" slogan had a cultural or economic appeal to voters last November......FULLY realizing that most trump supporters would respond to my question with the facile "BOTH," a closer scrutiny may yield a more nuanced response.

Trump hired detectives to find a slogan that would make you go clinically insane and it seems Trump succeeded.

 

[Avatar4321]

No wonder MAGA resonated so much with the conservatives.

(I know that republicans hate to hear this).....BUT, do you believe that MAGA has a tinge of also racial intolerance toward Obama?

So it has nothing to do with our decimated military, healthcare, education or our fracturing society or anything else that's going on.

It's because president Obama was half black.

And you guys can't figure out why you're party is losing left and right.

 

[nat4900]

nat i believe Eisenhower established NASA back in 1958.....and Nixon the EPA in 1970......just sayin....

You're correct........my little list was NOT about D or R presidents, its was about legislation promoted by a D congress; legislation readily agreed upon by 2 Rep. presidents.

 

[IsaacNewton]

Polls show that the vast majority of Trump's undaunted and never discouraged base is made up of older (retired,) white, evangelical Americans, who are willing to forgo (if not outright forgive) the less than stellar business and personal history of Trump.

Bankruptcies, divorces, pending law suits, and the impending investigations, ALL seem frivolous to that base of trump supporters.....

So, the question arose in my mind if that "make America great gain" slogan had a cultural or economic appeal to voters last November......FULLY realizing that most trump supporters would respond to my question with the facile "BOTH," a closer scrutiny may yield a more nuanced response.

It is cultural. All those older white people saw a black man as president, elected twice, and in THEIR minds they saw this as the world changing around them and they were not ready for it AT ALL. Many of them are racist, some are casual racists, some aren't but they still saw the world around them as TOO different TOO fast for them to handle. Trump was just the protest vote of all those people who said "oh yeah force me to accept a black president and gay marriage? Well then here is my gigantic shit on the White House, now you get to smell that for four years."

It was a revenge vote, in their minds anyway.

so isnt this now kind of the same situation for the democrats?....they see this chubby big mouthed opinionated old white guy as president,out campaigning their candidate,"the most qualified woman ever to run".....and in their minds they saw this as the world changing around them and they were not ready for it AT ALL.....and trump was the protest vote for many who felt Clinton was a worse person than trump...so there was a gigantic shit on the democrats for picking a not well liked person with a baggage train so long you could not see the end....

This current conservative meme, that EVERYTHING is some false equivalency is just so fucking ponderous to have to see over and over.

There is no equivalency. You take all these disparate things and try to put them all into some muddied up goulash and try to stir everything together and claim it's all the same thing. Sorry, it isn't.

It is so mentally lazy to constantly claim 'well everyone is the same so nobody is that bad really'. BULL SHIT. The OP is about Trump, if you can't make an argument on that just admit it and bow out. Why is that so hard?

oh im sorry,i didnt know you cant converse.....all you have told me is that i am right and YOU are one of those i am talking about....nat agreed with me thats good enough for me.....if you cant converse on the shit you throw up maybe you should bow out ....why is that so hard for you to understand?....

You didn't read my post which is fine. I return the favor and yes I'll bow out of any response to you. See how easy.

 

[Harry Dresden]

helping people and the environment isnt moral?....

Nope

geezus....you must be one sour person.....

 

[Flash]

Polls show that the vast majority of Trump's undaunted and never discouraged base is made up of older (retired,) white, evangelical Americans, who are willing to forgo (if not outright forgive) the less than stellar business and personal history of Trump.

Bankruptcies, divorces, pending law suits, and the impending investigations, ALL seem frivolous to that base of trump supporters.....

So, the question arose in my mind if that "make America great gain" slogan had a cultural or economic appeal to voters last November......FULLY realizing that most trump supporters would respond to my question with the facile "BOTH," a closer scrutiny may yield a more nuanced response.

What do you care Moon Bat? You didn't vote for Trump so why do you give a crap?

You voted for a bitch that ran on a stupid platform to increase taxes, have open borders, bring in a million Muslim refugees and demonize the NRA. No wonder the bitch didn't win.

 

[whitehall]

Don't take it personally lefties. "Make America great again" was a political slogan, something like "Hope&Change". No need to smash windows or torch cars over it.

 

[nat4900]

i dont know nat,i seen on a few political talk shows some lefties on there saying they thought gorsuch wasnt to bad a guy,but right wing maniac?.....i did not get that impression from them at all..

Yes, I got carried away in my own hyperbole about Gorsuch......For SURE he is no SCALIA.......and probably not as right wing as Alito.......I would guess that Gorsuch will turn out to be another Roberts or Kennedy....

My point was and is that Gorsuch is not this major win for conservatives since his appointment is simply a replacement for Scalia.....it is not a loss or a gain, simply maintains the same status quo for the SCOTUS.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Polls show that the vast majority of Trump's undaunted and never discouraged base is made up of older (retired,) white, evangelical Americans, who are willing to forgo (if not outright forgive) the less than stellar business and personal history of Trump.

Bankruptcies, divorces, pending law suits, and the impending investigations, ALL seem frivolous to that base of trump supporters.....

So, the question arose in my mind if that "make America great gain" slogan had a cultural or economic appeal to voters last November......FULLY realizing that most trump supporters would respond to my question with the facile "BOTH," a closer scrutiny may yield a more nuanced response.

It is cultural. All those older white people saw a black man as president, elected twice, and in THEIR minds they saw this as the world changing around them and they were not ready for it AT ALL. Many of them are racist, some are casual racists, some aren't but they still saw the world around them as TOO different TOO fast for them to handle. Trump was just the protest vote of all those people who said "oh yeah force me to accept a black president and gay marriage? Well then here is my gigantic shit on the White House, now you get to smell that for four years."

It was a revenge vote, in their minds anyway.

so isnt this now kind of the same situation for the democrats?....they see this chubby big mouthed opinionated old white guy as president,out campaigning their candidate,"the most qualified woman ever to run".....and in their minds they saw this as the world changing around them and they were not ready for it AT ALL.....and trump was the protest vote for many who felt Clinton was a worse person than trump...so there was a gigantic shit on the democrats for picking a not well liked person with a baggage train so long you could not see the end....

This current conservative meme, that EVERYTHING is some false equivalency is just so fucking ponderous to have to see over and over.

There is no equivalency. You take all these disparate things and try to put them all into some muddied up goulash and try to stir everything together and claim it's all the same thing. Sorry, it isn't.

It is so mentally lazy to constantly claim 'well everyone is the same so nobody is that bad really'. BULL SHIT. The OP is about Trump, if you can't make an argument on that just admit it and bow out. Why is that so hard?

oh im sorry,i didnt know you cant converse.....all you have told me is that i am right and YOU are one of those i am talking about....nat agreed with me thats good enough for me.....if you cant converse on the shit you throw up maybe you should bow out ....why is that so hard for you to understand?....

You didn't read my post which is fine. I return the favor and yes I'll bow out of any response to you. See how easy.

yea i didnt read it,thats why i responded to what you said......and once again,you must be one of those i was referring too...you got it bad dont ya?....lol.....

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

No wonder MAGA resonated so much with the conservatives.

(I know that republicans hate to hear this).....BUT, do you believe that MAGA has a tinge of also racial intolerance toward Obama?

It represents the comprehensive intolerance common to most on the right:

Intolerance of African-Americans

Intolerance of Hispanic Americans

Intolerance of gay and transgender Americans

Intolerance of immigrants

Intolerance of Muslims

Intolerance of change, diversity, and dissent.

 

[Harry Dresden]

No wonder MAGA resonated so much with the conservatives.

(I know that republicans hate to hear this).....BUT, do you believe that MAGA has a tinge of also racial intolerance toward Obama?

It represents the comprehensive intolerance common to most on the right:

Intolerance of African-Americans

Intolerance of Hispanic Americans

Intolerance of gay and transgender Americans

Intolerance of immigrants

Intolerance of Muslims

Intolerance of change, diversity, and dissent.

and it represents the same to many on the left,MANY lefties are intolerant of the things you listed.....care to comment jones?....

 

[Anathema]

geezus....you must be one sour person.....

Probably. I worry about me and mine and leave you to worry about yours. Without the Government forcibg either of us to help tbe other. THAT is Morality.