Was Trump Wiretapped? Just the facts.

[postman]

just because you have a dirty mouth doesn't mean you're right Our agencies know that russian hacking took place and NO republican told them to stop...... rather trump asking them to bring it on Get those Emails of Hills you should be ashamed of yourself supporting this ah in our wh

We know Trump called for the Russians to hack Hillary's e-mails. We know Hillary's e-mails were hacked. The intelligence community says there is strong evidence the Russians did it.

 

[Theowl32]

Where the fuck is the evidence that russians altered the elections..

There is proof the Russians meddled in the election. Whether or not and to what extent it was altered is a matter of opinion.

It is a matter of a lack or NO fucking evidence. You piece of hypocritical shit. Want to discuss the FACTS in regards to the kuunts emails and what was found in them?

No, you dont.

Fucking parrot.

 

[NoNukes]

They are some of the worst charges that he could have made as well - essentially stating that Obama was abusing his position in the government to eliminate political adversaries..

Exept Obama knew of the investigation of Trump election officials and their ties to Russia, and Obama kept it quiet. Saying nothing until after the election was over, and only then taking action expelling 35 Russian diplomats.

He did not want to appear to be meddling with the election. he did the right thing.

 

[Theowl32]

just because you have a dirty mouth doesn't mean you're right Our agencies know that russian hacking took place and NO republican told them to stop...... rather trump asking them to bring it on Get those Emails of Hills you should be ashamed of yourself supporting this ah in our wh

We know Trump called for the Russians to hack Hillary's e-mails. We know Hillary's e-mails were hacked. The intelligence community says there is strong evidence the Russians did it.

You stupid fuck. Want to discuss the facts about what was found in those emails.

Go ahead you piece of shit, tell us why she used a private server and why she deleted the 30K.

Yes, those were rhetorical questions. SInce, you want to go ahead and address them, go ahead and tell us your best explanation.

I dont expect you attempting shit. Only sticking with the goebbels propaganda fucking lie. You pile of shit. You think your jedi mind trick is going to work on me? .The misdirection from pravda will not work on me?

Until you explain to all of us about the 30K and why she used private servers illegally, you can go fuck yourself.

 

[postman]

how come trump hasn't made any attempt to sanction russia furthur for their interference ? could it be trumpovitch is in bed with our enemy putin?

Good question. Even George W. Bush who won in 2000 by taking advantage of sloppy election counting, Pushed to make how they count votes more uniform and reliable.

 

[edward37]

just because you have a dirty mouth doesn't mean you're right Our agencies know that russian hacking took place and NO republican told them to stop...... rather trump asking them to bring it on Get those Emails of Hills you should be ashamed of yourself supporting this ah in our wh

We know Trump called for the Russians to hack Hillary's e-mails. We know Hillary's e-mails were hacked. The intelligence community says there is strong evidence the Russians did it.

You stupid fuck. Want to discuss the facts about what was found in those emails.

Go ahead you piece of shit, tell us why she used a private server and why she deleted the 30K.

Yes, those were rhetorical questions. SInce, you want to go ahead and address them, go ahead and tell us your best explanation.

I dont expect you attempting shit. Only sticking with the goebbels propaganda fucking lie. You pile of shit. You think your jedi mind trick is going to work on me? .The misdirection from pravda will not work on me?

Until you explain to all of us about the 30K and why she used private servers illegally, you can go fuck yourself.

frankly sir I don't give 2 sheets about hillary and her e mails Right now in the present is far more important The russian agent in our WH should be a concern of all Americans ,,,even you

 

[Faun]

No spin. No smoke and mirrors. No conjecture. Was he wire tapped? If that can't be answered everything else is Conspiracy Theory material of attempting to create links between unrelated incidents.

At this point, it see - the whole wire-tap claim is unsubstantiated and taking on the guise of a conspiracy theory.

From: Analysis | Donald Trump was a conspiracy-theory candidate. Now he’s on the edge of being a conspiracy-theory president.

The problem here, of course, is that what Levin — and Breitbart — use as evidence for these claims are a series of seemingly unconnected events — from FISA court requests to Trump joking about the Russia email hack, to the release of Hillary Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta’s emails in the fall. The proof that all — or any — of these events are tied together by actual facts as opposed to supposition is not offered.


The idea that Obama’s administration authorized — and was able to get approval for — the wiretapping of the opposition party’s candidate for president is, frankly, far-fetched. And, if someone is making that claim — as Trump is now doing — the burden of proof is on them. If you are going to say there is a grand conspiracy that only you and a handful of others see, you need to offer a step-by-step explanation to the broader public to show why you’re right.


It seems unlikely — given Trump’s past pattern of making baseless claims without proof and then simply insisting he is right and no evidence is needed to prove the point — that any meaningful effort will be made by the Trump administration to connect the dots on this alleged wiretapping conspiracy.​

From the LA Times: Citing no evidence, Trump accuses Obama of tapping his phones during the election

It would be highly unusual for a sitting president to be aware of such [surveillance] requests. By blaming Obama directly, Trump accused the former president of reaching into a federal investigation and signing off on an illegal wiretap, which is a felony.


If federal investigators did monitor Trump’s phones or computers lawfully, a court would have demanded information about potential criminal misconduct or unlawful foreign contacts. Such investigations are closely held and rarely, if ever, shared with the White House.


It is possible Trump has no evidence his phones were tapped and is repeating unfounded reports circulating in conservative media circles. ​

There is a lot of smoke, mirrors and redirection going on here, an attempt I'm sure, to distract from the demands for an investigation into Russian ties with the Trump campaign.

Rather than blowing this up into a full blown conspiracy theory, how about looking at actual evidence?

First question to answer is: is there any hard evidence that Trump Tower was indeed wire tapped? If we can't answer that, the rest is meaningless distraction.

From the Washington Post: Analysis | Trump’s ‘evidence’ for Obama wiretap claims relies on sketchy, anonymously sourced reports

Trump’s ‘evidence’ for Obama wiretap claims relies on sketchy, anonymously sourced reports

Brietbart article on FISA Requests: June & October. Breitbart based it's article entirely on one source: and article written by Louise Mensch, a former Tory member of the British Parliament and an independent journalist for Heat Street. But no one seems to be able to independently confirm the claim.

The Washington Post for months has sought to confirm this report of a FISA warrant related to the Trump campaign but has been unable to do so. Presumably other U.S. news organizations have tried to do so as well. So one has to take this claim with a huge dose of skepticism. Indeed, the New York Times reported before the election that the FBI “ultimately concluded that there could be an innocuous explanation, like a marketing email or spam, for the computer contacts” with the Russian banks.​

According to the WP article:

The White House provided three other sources. Two, a National Review article and a Fox News interview, are simply derivative of the Heat Street article, with no independent confirmation. The third is a New York Times report that intelligence agencies “are examining intercepted communications and financial transactions” as part of a probe of possible links between Russian officials and Trump campaign aides. (We recall the president has previously deemed Times reporting on this matter as “fake news.”)​

The article goes on to conclude:

Only two articles, both with British roots, have reported that a FISA court order was granted in October to examine possible activity between two Russian banks and a computer server in the Trump Tower. This claim has not been confirmed by a U.S. news organizations. Moreover, neither article says President Obama requested the order or that it resulted in the tapping of Trump’s phone lines.​

And lastly:

Moreover, the articles do not support the White House’s claim that these were “potentially politically motivated investigations” led by President Obama. The articles all suggest the FISA requests — if they happened — were done by the intelligence agencies and the FBI.​

So, before we have this huge political uproar, and immediate comparisons to Watergate, lets' get at the facts first. Can anyone answer these questions?

1. Was Trump wiretapped? If yes - what evidence? Were bugs found in Trump Tower?

2. Were FISA requests issued? If yes - can the claims be confirmed by more then one source and for what specifically were they for?

Until those are answered - there's nothing but smoke.

Trump supporters better HOPE that this is just another Obama birth certificate moment, otherwise it is extremely SERIOUS. IOW--they better HOPE he's lying again.

"No president can order a wiretap on his own. For federal agents to obtain a wiretap on Trump, or anyone else, the Justice Department would first have had to convince a federal judge that it had gathered sufficient evidence of probable cause to believe Trump had committed a serious crime or was an agent of a foreign power, depending on whether it was a criminal or foreign intelligence wiretap."
3 Terrifying Reasons For Trump's Latest Rant | The Huffington Post

This is explained by Lindsey Graham.
Graham: 'I'm very worried' about Trump's wiretapping accusation

Analysis | 5 times Donald Trump’s team denied contact with Russia


Trump aides were in constant touch with senior Russian officials during campaign - CNNPolitics.com
More Trump advisers disclose meeting with Russia's ambassador - CNNPolitics.com

The best thing Trump could do at this point is claim his Twitter account was hacked and that he never posted those unsubstantiated claims.

He'll probably try that one too.

Looks like Roger Stone needs to do that too.

At what point does Trump's handlers take away his access to Twitter? Again.

 

[Faun]

Anything is possible, but for now this is just a theory, even if some are pretending it's fact.

I notice it did get the Trump/Russia thing off the front burner, though.
.

Yes it did but then it made it WORSE.

This is something that is right there for all of us to see. The Russia connection is not only unverified but is little more than conjecture based on the hacks. This is not conjecture - Trump clearly made those charges and then did not back them up.

They are some of the worst charges that he could have made as well - essentially stating that Obama was abusing his position in the government to eliminate political adversaries.

I have given Trump a lot of room considering all the vitriolic bullshit that has been thrown his way but this is not something that I can ignore. I do not think that I would have a real problem with congress removing him from office if this turns out to be false and that is a rather massive thing to state.

It's no surprise, however, coming from the person who spent 5 years promoting the unsubstantiated idiocy that Obama was not eligible to be president.

 

[edward37]

No spin. No smoke and mirrors. No conjecture. Was he wire tapped? If that can't be answered everything else is Conspiracy Theory material of attempting to create links between unrelated incidents.

At this point, it see - the whole wire-tap claim is unsubstantiated and taking on the guise of a conspiracy theory.

From: Analysis | Donald Trump was a conspiracy-theory candidate. Now he’s on the edge of being a conspiracy-theory president.

The problem here, of course, is that what Levin — and Breitbart — use as evidence for these claims are a series of seemingly unconnected events — from FISA court requests to Trump joking about the Russia email hack, to the release of Hillary Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta’s emails in the fall. The proof that all — or any — of these events are tied together by actual facts as opposed to supposition is not offered.


The idea that Obama’s administration authorized — and was able to get approval for — the wiretapping of the opposition party’s candidate for president is, frankly, far-fetched. And, if someone is making that claim — as Trump is now doing — the burden of proof is on them. If you are going to say there is a grand conspiracy that only you and a handful of others see, you need to offer a step-by-step explanation to the broader public to show why you’re right.


It seems unlikely — given Trump’s past pattern of making baseless claims without proof and then simply insisting he is right and no evidence is needed to prove the point — that any meaningful effort will be made by the Trump administration to connect the dots on this alleged wiretapping conspiracy.​

From the LA Times: Citing no evidence, Trump accuses Obama of tapping his phones during the election

It would be highly unusual for a sitting president to be aware of such [surveillance] requests. By blaming Obama directly, Trump accused the former president of reaching into a federal investigation and signing off on an illegal wiretap, which is a felony.


If federal investigators did monitor Trump’s phones or computers lawfully, a court would have demanded information about potential criminal misconduct or unlawful foreign contacts. Such investigations are closely held and rarely, if ever, shared with the White House.


It is possible Trump has no evidence his phones were tapped and is repeating unfounded reports circulating in conservative media circles. ​

There is a lot of smoke, mirrors and redirection going on here, an attempt I'm sure, to distract from the demands for an investigation into Russian ties with the Trump campaign.

Rather than blowing this up into a full blown conspiracy theory, how about looking at actual evidence?

First question to answer is: is there any hard evidence that Trump Tower was indeed wire tapped? If we can't answer that, the rest is meaningless distraction.

From the Washington Post: Analysis | Trump’s ‘evidence’ for Obama wiretap claims relies on sketchy, anonymously sourced reports

Trump’s ‘evidence’ for Obama wiretap claims relies on sketchy, anonymously sourced reports

Brietbart article on FISA Requests: June & October. Breitbart based it's article entirely on one source: and article written by Louise Mensch, a former Tory member of the British Parliament and an independent journalist for Heat Street. But no one seems to be able to independently confirm the claim.

The Washington Post for months has sought to confirm this report of a FISA warrant related to the Trump campaign but has been unable to do so. Presumably other U.S. news organizations have tried to do so as well. So one has to take this claim with a huge dose of skepticism. Indeed, the New York Times reported before the election that the FBI “ultimately concluded that there could be an innocuous explanation, like a marketing email or spam, for the computer contacts” with the Russian banks.​

According to the WP article:

The White House provided three other sources. Two, a National Review article and a Fox News interview, are simply derivative of the Heat Street article, with no independent confirmation. The third is a New York Times report that intelligence agencies “are examining intercepted communications and financial transactions” as part of a probe of possible links between Russian officials and Trump campaign aides. (We recall the president has previously deemed Times reporting on this matter as “fake news.”)​

The article goes on to conclude:

Only two articles, both with British roots, have reported that a FISA court order was granted in October to examine possible activity between two Russian banks and a computer server in the Trump Tower. This claim has not been confirmed by a U.S. news organizations. Moreover, neither article says President Obama requested the order or that it resulted in the tapping of Trump’s phone lines.​

And lastly:

Moreover, the articles do not support the White House’s claim that these were “potentially politically motivated investigations” led by President Obama. The articles all suggest the FISA requests — if they happened — were done by the intelligence agencies and the FBI.​

So, before we have this huge political uproar, and immediate comparisons to Watergate, lets' get at the facts first. Can anyone answer these questions?

1. Was Trump wiretapped? If yes - what evidence? Were bugs found in Trump Tower?

2. Were FISA requests issued? If yes - can the claims be confirmed by more then one source and for what specifically were they for?

Until those are answered - there's nothing but smoke.

Trump supporters better HOPE that this is just another Obama birth certificate moment, otherwise it is extremely SERIOUS. IOW--they better HOPE he's lying again.

"No president can order a wiretap on his own. For federal agents to obtain a wiretap on Trump, or anyone else, the Justice Department would first have had to convince a federal judge that it had gathered sufficient evidence of probable cause to believe Trump had committed a serious crime or was an agent of a foreign power, depending on whether it was a criminal or foreign intelligence wiretap."
3 Terrifying Reasons For Trump's Latest Rant | The Huffington Post

This is explained by Lindsey Graham.
Graham: 'I'm very worried' about Trump's wiretapping accusation

Analysis | 5 times Donald Trump’s team denied contact with Russia


Trump aides were in constant touch with senior Russian officials during campaign - CNNPolitics.com
More Trump advisers disclose meeting with Russia's ambassador - CNNPolitics.com

The best thing Trump could do at this point is claim his Twitter account was hacked and that he never posted those unsubstantiated claims.

He'll probably try that one too.

Looks like Roger Stone needs to do that too.

At what point does Trump's handlers take away his access to Twitter? Again.

 

[Faun]

Remember when the left did not care about the illegal emails by hillary despite the actual evidence? It is amazing isn't it? How the media directs our attention from the truth to a lie. They then make accusations and claim there is evidence yet admit there is no proof of russians altering the election.

So, now they are actually claiming there is no proof of wire tapping. While there is no proof of russians "altering" elections. None, whatsoever.

Can anyone keep track of their shit?

There is a ton of evidence of the Russians and eastern bloc posting "fake news" . Reports the Russians hacked into both the DNC and RNC servers.

But bury your head in the sand, and listen to the tweets Trump got from the blogs, like Breitbart, rather than the reports from our 16 intelligence agencies.

Where the fuck is the evidence that russians altered the elections. Hacking into the RNC or DNC is not proof of them altering the elections. Your fucking jedi trick does not work on me you fucking loser.

Want to know who else hacks? Every country, including China. Want to talk about the skinny lying half negro muslim marxist in chief trying to influence Israel's elections?

Thought not.

Want to talk about the content found in the emails by your fucking lying kuuunt witch?

Why did she delete those 30k? Cause there was nothing there?

Why did she illegally use a private server?

Was it because her dealings with foreign governments would not be subject to the freedom of information act?

I presented fucking facts you piece of shit.

Bury your fucking head in your boyfriends ass faggot. You have nothing on me you lying motherfucker.

^^^ Unhinged idiot alert ^^^

Pass at you're own risk

 

[MordechaiGoodbud]

I'd like to take back any neutral, trying to be fair, attempts I've made to give this new President the benefit of the doubt. He is out to keep this country ripped open and divided. He is now my enemy.

Nobody divided America more than Obama, he Race Baited almost on a daily basis, pitting Blacks against Whites, Obama is responsible for BLM, they never existed until Blacks were whipped up into a frenzy by Obama and also by the MSM who started by fanning the flames during the Ferguson situation.

Obama seems to have left tripwires all over the place in his last month in the White House, this to deliberately sabotage The Trump Administration.

Also the majority of former American Presidents go into the sunset and do NOT speak out against the new President, Obama broke that unwritten rule during the second week of Trump becoming the President.

Now he's set himself up in a house not far from the White House and Valerie Jarrett has moved into the house and Eric Holder has said that Obama is "ready to roll" ie. to work to further sabotage The Trump Administration.

Newly rich Obama is 'ready to roll' says Eric Holder | Daily Mail Online

Eric Holder: Obama Preparing to Get Back Into Political Spotlight

You are simply full of shit.

It's not Obama's fault that white racists were even more pissed off because he won the election.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

If obama wins this one, this country is over.

 

[Theowl32]

I'd like to take back any neutral, trying to be fair, attempts I've made to give this new President the benefit of the doubt. He is out to keep this country ripped open and divided. He is now my enemy.

Nobody divided America more than Obama, he Race Baited almost on a daily basis, pitting Blacks against Whites, Obama is responsible for BLM, they never existed until Blacks were whipped up into a frenzy by Obama and also by the MSM who started by fanning the flames during the Ferguson situation.

Obama seems to have left tripwires all over the place in his last month in the White House, this to deliberately sabotage The Trump Administration.

Also the majority of former American Presidents go into the sunset and do NOT speak out against the new President, Obama broke that unwritten rule during the second week of Trump becoming the President.

Now he's set himself up in a house not far from the White House and Valerie Jarrett has moved into the house and Eric Holder has said that Obama is "ready to roll" ie. to work to further sabotage The Trump Administration.

Newly rich Obama is 'ready to roll' says Eric Holder | Daily Mail Online

Eric Holder: Obama Preparing to Get Back Into Political Spotlight

You are simply full of shit.

It's not Obama's fault that white racists were even more pissed off because he won the election.

Oh geee, a left wing ass face using the race card. What a shock.

You are all fucking mindless losers.

Your pathetic race card does not work anymore.

Pissed?

Fuck you. On ignore soros puppet.

 

[defcon4]

No spin. No smoke and mirrors. No conjecture. Was he wire tapped? If that can't be answered everything else is Conspiracy Theory material of attempting to create links between unrelated incidents.

At this point, it see - the whole wire-tap claim is unsubstantiated and taking on the guise of a conspiracy theory.

From: Analysis | Donald Trump was a conspiracy-theory candidate. Now he’s on the edge of being a conspiracy-theory president.

The problem here, of course, is that what Levin — and Breitbart — use as evidence for these claims are a series of seemingly unconnected events — from FISA court requests to Trump joking about the Russia email hack, to the release of Hillary Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta’s emails in the fall. The proof that all — or any — of these events are tied together by actual facts as opposed to supposition is not offered.


The idea that Obama’s administration authorized — and was able to get approval for — the wiretapping of the opposition party’s candidate for president is, frankly, far-fetched. And, if someone is making that claim — as Trump is now doing — the burden of proof is on them. If you are going to say there is a grand conspiracy that only you and a handful of others see, you need to offer a step-by-step explanation to the broader public to show why you’re right.


It seems unlikely — given Trump’s past pattern of making baseless claims without proof and then simply insisting he is right and no evidence is needed to prove the point — that any meaningful effort will be made by the Trump administration to connect the dots on this alleged wiretapping conspiracy.​

From the LA Times: Citing no evidence, Trump accuses Obama of tapping his phones during the election

It would be highly unusual for a sitting president to be aware of such [surveillance] requests. By blaming Obama directly, Trump accused the former president of reaching into a federal investigation and signing off on an illegal wiretap, which is a felony.


If federal investigators did monitor Trump’s phones or computers lawfully, a court would have demanded information about potential criminal misconduct or unlawful foreign contacts. Such investigations are closely held and rarely, if ever, shared with the White House.


It is possible Trump has no evidence his phones were tapped and is repeating unfounded reports circulating in conservative media circles. ​

There is a lot of smoke, mirrors and redirection going on here, an attempt I'm sure, to distract from the demands for an investigation into Russian ties with the Trump campaign.

Rather than blowing this up into a full blown conspiracy theory, how about looking at actual evidence?

First question to answer is: is there any hard evidence that Trump Tower was indeed wire tapped? If we can't answer that, the rest is meaningless distraction.

From the Washington Post: Analysis | Trump’s ‘evidence’ for Obama wiretap claims relies on sketchy, anonymously sourced reports

Trump’s ‘evidence’ for Obama wiretap claims relies on sketchy, anonymously sourced reports

Brietbart article on FISA Requests: June & October. Breitbart based it's article entirely on one source: and article written by Louise Mensch, a former Tory member of the British Parliament and an independent journalist for Heat Street. But no one seems to be able to independently confirm the claim.

The Washington Post for months has sought to confirm this report of a FISA warrant related to the Trump campaign but has been unable to do so. Presumably other U.S. news organizations have tried to do so as well. So one has to take this claim with a huge dose of skepticism. Indeed, the New York Times reported before the election that the FBI “ultimately concluded that there could be an innocuous explanation, like a marketing email or spam, for the computer contacts” with the Russian banks.​

According to the WP article:

The White House provided three other sources. Two, a National Review article and a Fox News interview, are simply derivative of the Heat Street article, with no independent confirmation. The third is a New York Times report that intelligence agencies “are examining intercepted communications and financial transactions” as part of a probe of possible links between Russian officials and Trump campaign aides. (We recall the president has previously deemed Times reporting on this matter as “fake news.”)​

The article goes on to conclude:

Only two articles, both with British roots, have reported that a FISA court order was granted in October to examine possible activity between two Russian banks and a computer server in the Trump Tower. This claim has not been confirmed by a U.S. news organizations. Moreover, neither article says President Obama requested the order or that it resulted in the tapping of Trump’s phone lines.​

And lastly:

Moreover, the articles do not support the White House’s claim that these were “potentially politically motivated investigations” led by President Obama. The articles all suggest the FISA requests — if they happened — were done by the intelligence agencies and the FBI.​

So, before we have this huge political uproar, and immediate comparisons to Watergate, lets' get at the facts first. Can anyone answer these questions?

1. Was Trump wiretapped? If yes - what evidence? Were bugs found in Trump Tower?

2. Were FISA requests issued? If yes - can the claims be confirmed by more then one source and for what specifically were they for?

Until those are answered - there's nothing but smoke.

The same could be said for all these people saying that Trump is an Agent of Putin, they have produced no evidence, yet the MSM has no problem accusing Trump of this 24/7.

How about actual concrete evidence is publicly presented to show that Trump is an Agent of Putin?

Now that the table is turned on Obama and The Obama Administration the media whores are outraged at the suggestion that Obama had Trump Tower wiretapped during an Election.

Not one of these media whores has written or stated that if Obama did have Trump Tower wiretapped that would be a very disturbing development and would be on par with the wiretapping of The Watergate Building.

The problem is the cheerleading and hysterically anti-Trump media think that Obama can do no wrong, and if it is shown that Obama did have Trump Tower wiretapped, they will spin it so they can attempt to help him all they can.

Could Obama who ordered American citizens to be Droned also order the illegal wiretapping for political purposes of Trump Tower? Yes many think he could.

Not one of these media whores has written or stated that if Obama did have Trump Tower wiretapped that would be a very disturbing development and would be on par with the wiretapping of The Watergate Building.
Actually, Lucy, ALL the media has been saying exactly that. They are quite clear that it would be a massive scandal and that it is an extremely serious accusation. Maybe your news sources on that side of the pond are different, but it's ALL I've been hearing.
Btw, since the White House has officially declined to offer any further comment until an investigation is completed, and since no one knows what in hell the President is talking about so how do you investigate it, don't be holding your breath waiting for any closure on this.

Whoever is the President can declassify information and it can be released publicly, which is why I commented that whatever The Trump Administration has seen that says that The Obama Administration had Trump Tower wiretapped this should be declassified and released publicly.

I don't think doing that would affect any investigation, or perhaps it would, I'll have to read up if it would or wouldn't.

Wiretapping took place and it shows how arrogant the Obama administration was and so confident that Clinton would win the presidency. They were so sure that they went ahead with that reckless move what backfired on them since Mr. Trump now has the authority to review all of the former president's clandestine machinations. All we need now is to declassify all those despicable actions by the Obama administration. Either Obama gets lost in Hawaii never to be heard of again, or expose his nasty, destructive activities while president.

 

[Faun]

No spin. No smoke and mirrors. No conjecture. Was he wire tapped? If that can't be answered everything else is Conspiracy Theory material of attempting to create links between unrelated incidents.

At this point, it see - the whole wire-tap claim is unsubstantiated and taking on the guise of a conspiracy theory.

From: Analysis | Donald Trump was a conspiracy-theory candidate. Now he’s on the edge of being a conspiracy-theory president.

The problem here, of course, is that what Levin — and Breitbart — use as evidence for these claims are a series of seemingly unconnected events — from FISA court requests to Trump joking about the Russia email hack, to the release of Hillary Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta’s emails in the fall. The proof that all — or any — of these events are tied together by actual facts as opposed to supposition is not offered.


The idea that Obama’s administration authorized — and was able to get approval for — the wiretapping of the opposition party’s candidate for president is, frankly, far-fetched. And, if someone is making that claim — as Trump is now doing — the burden of proof is on them. If you are going to say there is a grand conspiracy that only you and a handful of others see, you need to offer a step-by-step explanation to the broader public to show why you’re right.


It seems unlikely — given Trump’s past pattern of making baseless claims without proof and then simply insisting he is right and no evidence is needed to prove the point — that any meaningful effort will be made by the Trump administration to connect the dots on this alleged wiretapping conspiracy.​

From the LA Times: Citing no evidence, Trump accuses Obama of tapping his phones during the election

It would be highly unusual for a sitting president to be aware of such [surveillance] requests. By blaming Obama directly, Trump accused the former president of reaching into a federal investigation and signing off on an illegal wiretap, which is a felony.


If federal investigators did monitor Trump’s phones or computers lawfully, a court would have demanded information about potential criminal misconduct or unlawful foreign contacts. Such investigations are closely held and rarely, if ever, shared with the White House.


It is possible Trump has no evidence his phones were tapped and is repeating unfounded reports circulating in conservative media circles. ​

There is a lot of smoke, mirrors and redirection going on here, an attempt I'm sure, to distract from the demands for an investigation into Russian ties with the Trump campaign.

Rather than blowing this up into a full blown conspiracy theory, how about looking at actual evidence?

First question to answer is: is there any hard evidence that Trump Tower was indeed wire tapped? If we can't answer that, the rest is meaningless distraction.

From the Washington Post: Analysis | Trump’s ‘evidence’ for Obama wiretap claims relies on sketchy, anonymously sourced reports

Trump’s ‘evidence’ for Obama wiretap claims relies on sketchy, anonymously sourced reports

Brietbart article on FISA Requests: June & October. Breitbart based it's article entirely on one source: and article written by Louise Mensch, a former Tory member of the British Parliament and an independent journalist for Heat Street. But no one seems to be able to independently confirm the claim.

The Washington Post for months has sought to confirm this report of a FISA warrant related to the Trump campaign but has been unable to do so. Presumably other U.S. news organizations have tried to do so as well. So one has to take this claim with a huge dose of skepticism. Indeed, the New York Times reported before the election that the FBI “ultimately concluded that there could be an innocuous explanation, like a marketing email or spam, for the computer contacts” with the Russian banks.​

According to the WP article:

The White House provided three other sources. Two, a National Review article and a Fox News interview, are simply derivative of the Heat Street article, with no independent confirmation. The third is a New York Times report that intelligence agencies “are examining intercepted communications and financial transactions” as part of a probe of possible links between Russian officials and Trump campaign aides. (We recall the president has previously deemed Times reporting on this matter as “fake news.”)​

The article goes on to conclude:

Only two articles, both with British roots, have reported that a FISA court order was granted in October to examine possible activity between two Russian banks and a computer server in the Trump Tower. This claim has not been confirmed by a U.S. news organizations. Moreover, neither article says President Obama requested the order or that it resulted in the tapping of Trump’s phone lines.​

And lastly:

Moreover, the articles do not support the White House’s claim that these were “potentially politically motivated investigations” led by President Obama. The articles all suggest the FISA requests — if they happened — were done by the intelligence agencies and the FBI.​

So, before we have this huge political uproar, and immediate comparisons to Watergate, lets' get at the facts first. Can anyone answer these questions?

1. Was Trump wiretapped? If yes - what evidence? Were bugs found in Trump Tower?

2. Were FISA requests issued? If yes - can the claims be confirmed by more then one source and for what specifically were they for?

Until those are answered - there's nothing but smoke.

The same could be said for all these people saying that Trump is an Agent of Putin, they have produced no evidence, yet the MSM has no problem accusing Trump of this 24/7.

How about actual concrete evidence is publicly presented to show that Trump is an Agent of Putin?

Now that the table is turned on Obama and The Obama Administration the media whores are outraged at the suggestion that Obama had Trump Tower wiretapped during an Election.

Not one of these media whores has written or stated that if Obama did have Trump Tower wiretapped that would be a very disturbing development and would be on par with the wiretapping of The Watergate Building.

The problem is the cheerleading and hysterically anti-Trump media think that Obama can do no wrong, and if it is shown that Obama did have Trump Tower wiretapped, they will spin it so they can attempt to help him all they can.

Could Obama who ordered American citizens to be Droned also order the illegal wiretapping for political purposes of Trump Tower? Yes many think he could.

Not one of these media whores has written or stated that if Obama did have Trump Tower wiretapped that would be a very disturbing development and would be on par with the wiretapping of The Watergate Building.
Actually, Lucy, ALL the media has been saying exactly that. They are quite clear that it would be a massive scandal and that it is an extremely serious accusation. Maybe your news sources on that side of the pond are different, but it's ALL I've been hearing.
Btw, since the White House has officially declined to offer any further comment until an investigation is completed, and since no one knows what in hell the President is talking about so how do you investigate it, don't be holding your breath waiting for any closure on this.

Whoever is the President can declassify information and it can be released publicly, which is why I commented that whatever The Trump Administration has seen that says that The Obama Administration had Trump Tower wiretapped this should be declassified and released publicly.

I don't think doing that would affect any investigation, or perhaps it would, I'll have to read up if it would or wouldn't.

Wiretapping took place and it shows how arrogant the Obama administration was and so confident that Clinton would win the presidency. They were so sure that they went ahead with that reckless move what backfired on them since Mr. Trump now has the authority to review all of the former president's clandestine machinations. All we need now is to declassify all those despicable actions by the Obama administration. Either Obama gets lost in Hawaii never to be heard of again, or expose his nasty, destructive activities while president.

If there's evidence such wiretapping took place, why is Trump asking Congress to find the evidence? Doesn't he already have it?

 

[The Original Tree]

 

[The Original Tree]

No spin. No smoke and mirrors. No conjecture. Was he wire tapped? If that can't be answered everything else is Conspiracy Theory material of attempting to create links between unrelated incidents.

At this point, it see - the whole wire-tap claim is unsubstantiated and taking on the guise of a conspiracy theory.

From: Analysis | Donald Trump was a conspiracy-theory candidate. Now he’s on the edge of being a conspiracy-theory president.

The problem here, of course, is that what Levin — and Breitbart — use as evidence for these claims are a series of seemingly unconnected events — from FISA court requests to Trump joking about the Russia email hack, to the release of Hillary Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta’s emails in the fall. The proof that all — or any — of these events are tied together by actual facts as opposed to supposition is not offered.


The idea that Obama’s administration authorized — and was able to get approval for — the wiretapping of the opposition party’s candidate for president is, frankly, far-fetched. And, if someone is making that claim — as Trump is now doing — the burden of proof is on them. If you are going to say there is a grand conspiracy that only you and a handful of others see, you need to offer a step-by-step explanation to the broader public to show why you’re right.


It seems unlikely — given Trump’s past pattern of making baseless claims without proof and then simply insisting he is right and no evidence is needed to prove the point — that any meaningful effort will be made by the Trump administration to connect the dots on this alleged wiretapping conspiracy.
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From the LA Times: Citing no evidence, Trump accuses Obama of tapping his phones during the election

It would be highly unusual for a sitting president to be aware of such [surveillance] requests. By blaming Obama directly, Trump accused the former president of reaching into a federal investigation and signing off on an illegal wiretap, which is a felony.


If federal investigators did monitor Trump’s phones or computers lawfully, a court would have demanded information about potential criminal misconduct or unlawful foreign contacts. Such investigations are closely held and rarely, if ever, shared with the White House.


It is possible Trump has no evidence his phones were tapped and is repeating unfounded reports circulating in conservative media circles. ​

There is a lot of smoke, mirrors and redirection going on here, an attempt I'm sure, to distract from the demands for an investigation into Russian ties with the Trump campaign.

Rather than blowing this up into a full blown conspiracy theory, how about looking at actual evidence?

First question to answer is: is there any hard evidence that Trump Tower was indeed wire tapped? If we can't answer that, the rest is meaningless distraction.

From the Washington Post: Analysis | Trump’s ‘evidence’ for Obama wiretap claims relies on sketchy, anonymously sourced reports

Trump’s ‘evidence’ for Obama wiretap claims relies on sketchy, anonymously sourced reports

Brietbart article on FISA Requests: June & October. Breitbart based it's article entirely on one source: and article written by Louise Mensch, a former Tory member of the British Parliament and an independent journalist for Heat Street. But no one seems to be able to independently confirm the claim.

The Washington Post for months has sought to confirm this report of a FISA warrant related to the Trump campaign but has been unable to do so. Presumably other U.S. news organizations have tried to do so as well. So one has to take this claim with a huge dose of skepticism. Indeed, the New York Times reported before the election that the FBI “ultimately concluded that there could be an innocuous explanation, like a marketing email or spam, for the computer contacts” with the Russian banks.​

According to the WP article:

The White House provided three other sources. Two, a National Review article and a Fox News interview, are simply derivative of the Heat Street article, with no independent confirmation. The third is a New York Times report that intelligence agencies “are examining intercepted communications and financial transactions” as part of a probe of possible links between Russian officials and Trump campaign aides. (We recall the president has previously deemed Times reporting on this matter as “fake news.”)​

The article goes on to conclude:

Only two articles, both with British roots, have reported that a FISA court order was granted in October to examine possible activity between two Russian banks and a computer server in the Trump Tower. This claim has not been confirmed by a U.S. news organizations. Moreover, neither article says President Obama requested the order or that it resulted in the tapping of Trump’s phone lines.​

And lastly:

Moreover, the articles do not support the White House’s claim that these were “potentially politically motivated investigations” led by President Obama. The articles all suggest the FISA requests — if they happened — were done by the intelligence agencies and the FBI.​

So, before we have this huge political uproar, and immediate comparisons to Watergate, lets' get at the facts first. Can anyone answer these questions?

1. Was Trump wiretapped? If yes - what evidence? Were bugs found in Trump Tower?

2. Were FISA requests issued? If yes - can the claims be confirmed by more then one source and for what specifically were they for?

Until those are answered - there's nothing but smoke.

The same could be said for all these people saying that Trump is an Agent of Putin, they have produced no evidence, yet the MSM has no problem accusing Trump of this 24/7.

How about actual concrete evidence is publicly presented to show that Trump is an Agent of Putin?

Now that the table is turned on Obama and The Obama Administration the media whores are outraged at the suggestion that Obama had Trump Tower wiretapped during an Election.

Not one of these media whores has written or stated that if Obama did have Trump Tower wiretapped that would be a very disturbing development and would be on par with the wiretapping of The Watergate Building.

The problem is the cheerleading and hysterically anti-Trump media think that Obama can do no wrong, and if it is shown that Obama did have Trump Tower wiretapped, they will spin it so they can attempt to help him all they can.

Could Obama who ordered American citizens to be Droned also order the illegal wiretapping for political purposes of Trump Tower? Yes many think he could.

 

[The Original Tree]

I'd like to take back any neutral, trying to be fair, attempts I've made to give this new President the benefit of the doubt. He is out to keep this country ripped open and divided. He is now my enemy.

Cool, a Liberal declaring War on The United States of America.

Why don't you Lefties try something original like burning a flag or something?

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

Could Obama Sue Trump for Libel?
March 6, 2017


NBC News: “Although the law provides a great deal of leeway for political speech, that protection is not all encompassing. And because of the way Trump has leveled unsubstantiated accusations at Obama, he may have libeled his predecessor.”

Said law professor Benjamin Zipursky: “He’s basically stating that Mr. Obama committed crimes, and to state that somebody has committed a crime when it’s false is clearly defamatory. The question is: Is there enough evidence of serious reckless disregard to send that case to a jury? I don’t know what a court would decide on that, but there is some evidence of recklessness.”

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

If obama wins this one, this country is over.

We have plenty of tissues...for you all