Was Trump Wiretapped? Just the facts.

[Ame®icano]

 

[Slade3200]

That guy sure loves to hear himself talk doesn't he?!

 

[Siete]

The only thing that DJT accomplished this weekend was to erase all his goodwill from his teleprompter speech.

Now he is back in the doghouse.

I just hope that the next 3 sentences we hear out of him are "Mea culpa. Mea culpa. Mea culpa."

DNC Insider says Obama White House wiretapped Trump, the below is from March 4th, yesterday.



Intelligence Officer says that Obama was involved in wiretapping Trump Tower, the below is also from yesterday.

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so you believe that intelligence officer ?

good for you.

then you must believe these 17 too ..

The U.S. Intelligence Community (USIC) is confident that the Russian Government directed the recent compromises of e-mails from US persons and institutions, including from US political organizations. The recent disclosures of alleged hacked e-mails on sites like DCLeaks.com and WikiLeaks and by the Guccifer 2.0 online persona are consistent with the methods and motivations of Russian-directed efforts. These thefts and disclosures are intended to interfere with the US election process. Such activity is not new to Moscow—the Russians have used similar tactics and techniques across Europe and Eurasia, for example, to influence public opinion there. We believe, based on the scope and sensitivity of these efforts, that only Russia's senior-most officials could have authorized these activities."

dont you lucee ..

"The recent disclosures of alleged hacked e-mails on sites like DCLeaks.com and WikiLeaks and by the Guccifer 2.0 online persona are consistent with the methods and motivations of Russian-directed efforts."

So they have no actual proof, it's all alleged and because it fits The Narrative ie. Putin/Russia are the cause of ALL the evils in the ENTIRE WORLD, then it must be the Russians EVEN thought NOBODY has provided ANY concrete evidence and it's all alleged.

Trump doesnt have any proof Obama ordered a wiretap, and neither do A N Y of your Fox sources ...

so at the end of the day youre a partisan hack with heavy hyopcritical overtones ...

big surprise.

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

 

[Siete]

Obama or any other President doesnt have the authority to order wire taps

The Justice Department sought a FISA warrant in June to intercept communications from two Russian banks suspected of facilitating donations to the Trump campaign. The judge reportedly rejected the warrant, as well as a narrower version sought in July. A new judge granted the order in mid-October, according to the BBC.

“While the order would have been requested by some part of the executive branch, Obama can’t order anything. Nor can Trump,” says former NSA lawyer April Doss. The order has to come from the court, and the court operates independently.”

next contestant.

 

[FA_Q2]

No spin. No smoke and mirrors. No conjecture. Was he wire tapped? If that can't be answered everything else is Conspiracy Theory material of attempting to create links between unrelated incidents.

At this point, it see - the whole wire-tap claim is unsubstantiated and taking on the guise of a conspiracy theory.

From: Analysis | Donald Trump was a conspiracy-theory candidate. Now he’s on the edge of being a conspiracy-theory president.

The problem here, of course, is that what Levin — and Breitbart — use as evidence for these claims are a series of seemingly unconnected events — from FISA court requests to Trump joking about the Russia email hack, to the release of Hillary Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta’s emails in the fall. The proof that all — or any — of these events are tied together by actual facts as opposed to supposition is not offered.


The idea that Obama’s administration authorized — and was able to get approval for — the wiretapping of the opposition party’s candidate for president is, frankly, far-fetched. And, if someone is making that claim — as Trump is now doing — the burden of proof is on them. If you are going to say there is a grand conspiracy that only you and a handful of others see, you need to offer a step-by-step explanation to the broader public to show why you’re right.


It seems unlikely — given Trump’s past pattern of making baseless claims without proof and then simply insisting he is right and no evidence is needed to prove the point — that any meaningful effort will be made by the Trump administration to connect the dots on this alleged wiretapping conspiracy.​

From the LA Times: Citing no evidence, Trump accuses Obama of tapping his phones during the election

It would be highly unusual for a sitting president to be aware of such [surveillance] requests. By blaming Obama directly, Trump accused the former president of reaching into a federal investigation and signing off on an illegal wiretap, which is a felony.


If federal investigators did monitor Trump’s phones or computers lawfully, a court would have demanded information about potential criminal misconduct or unlawful foreign contacts. Such investigations are closely held and rarely, if ever, shared with the White House.


It is possible Trump has no evidence his phones were tapped and is repeating unfounded reports circulating in conservative media circles. ​

There is a lot of smoke, mirrors and redirection going on here, an attempt I'm sure, to distract from the demands for an investigation into Russian ties with the Trump campaign.

Rather than blowing this up into a full blown conspiracy theory, how about looking at actual evidence?

First question to answer is: is there any hard evidence that Trump Tower was indeed wire tapped? If we can't answer that, the rest is meaningless distraction.

From the Washington Post: Analysis | Trump’s ‘evidence’ for Obama wiretap claims relies on sketchy, anonymously sourced reports

Trump’s ‘evidence’ for Obama wiretap claims relies on sketchy, anonymously sourced reports

Brietbart article on FISA Requests: June & October. Breitbart based it's article entirely on one source: and article written by Louise Mensch, a former Tory member of the British Parliament and an independent journalist for Heat Street. But no one seems to be able to independently confirm the claim.

The Washington Post for months has sought to confirm this report of a FISA warrant related to the Trump campaign but has been unable to do so. Presumably other U.S. news organizations have tried to do so as well. So one has to take this claim with a huge dose of skepticism. Indeed, the New York Times reported before the election that the FBI “ultimately concluded that there could be an innocuous explanation, like a marketing email or spam, for the computer contacts” with the Russian banks.​

According to the WP article:

The White House provided three other sources. Two, a National Review article and a Fox News interview, are simply derivative of the Heat Street article, with no independent confirmation. The third is a New York Times report that intelligence agencies “are examining intercepted communications and financial transactions” as part of a probe of possible links between Russian officials and Trump campaign aides. (We recall the president has previously deemed Times reporting on this matter as “fake news.”)​

The article goes on to conclude:

Only two articles, both with British roots, have reported that a FISA court order was granted in October to examine possible activity between two Russian banks and a computer server in the Trump Tower. This claim has not been confirmed by a U.S. news organizations. Moreover, neither article says President Obama requested the order or that it resulted in the tapping of Trump’s phone lines.​

And lastly:

Moreover, the articles do not support the White House’s claim that these were “potentially politically motivated investigations” led by President Obama. The articles all suggest the FISA requests — if they happened — were done by the intelligence agencies and the FBI.​

So, before we have this huge political uproar, and immediate comparisons to Watergate, lets' get at the facts first. Can anyone answer these questions?

1. Was Trump wiretapped? If yes - what evidence? Were bugs found in Trump Tower?

2. Were FISA requests issued? If yes - can the claims be confirmed by more then one source and for what specifically were they for?

Until those are answered - there's nothing but smoke.

Trump supporters better HOPE that this is just another Obama birth certificate moment, otherwise it is extremely SERIOUS. IOW--they better HOPE he's lying again.

"No president can order a wiretap on his own. For federal agents to obtain a wiretap on Trump, or anyone else, the Justice Department would first have had to convince a federal judge that it had gathered sufficient evidence of probable cause to believe Trump had committed a serious crime or was an agent of a foreign power, depending on whether it was a criminal or foreign intelligence wiretap."
3 Terrifying Reasons For Trump's Latest Rant | The Huffington Post

This is explained by Lindsey Graham.
Graham: 'I'm very worried' about Trump's wiretapping accusation

Analysis | 5 times Donald Trump’s team denied contact with Russia


Trump aides were in constant touch with senior Russian officials during campaign - CNNPolitics.com
More Trump advisers disclose meeting with Russia's ambassador - CNNPolitics.com

The best thing Trump could do at this point is claim his Twitter account was hacked and that he never posted those unsubstantiated claims.

lol.

Hadn't thought of that but you are right - that would have been his best option. Too late now

 

[FA_Q2]

Anything is possible, but for now this is just a theory, even if some are pretending it's fact.

I notice it did get the Trump/Russia thing off the front burner, though.
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Yes it did but then it made it WORSE.

This is something that is right there for all of us to see. The Russia connection is not only unverified but is little more than conjecture based on the hacks. This is not conjecture - Trump clearly made those charges and then did not back them up.

They are some of the worst charges that he could have made as well - essentially stating that Obama was abusing his position in the government to eliminate political adversaries.

I have given Trump a lot of room considering all the vitriolic bullshit that has been thrown his way but this is not something that I can ignore. I do not think that I would have a real problem with congress removing him from office if this turns out to be false and that is a rather massive thing to state.

 

[Mac1958]

Anything is possible, but for now this is just a theory, even if some are pretending it's fact.

I notice it did get the Trump/Russia thing off the front burner, though.
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Yes it did but then it made it WORSE.

This is something that is right there for all of us to see. The Russia connection is not only unverified but is little more than conjecture based on the hacks. This is not conjecture - Trump clearly made those charges and then did not back them up.

They are some of the worst charges that he could have made as well - essentially stating that Obama was abusing his position in the government to eliminate political adversaries.

I have given Trump a lot of room considering all the vitriolic bullshit that has been thrown his way but this is not something that I can ignore. I do not think that I would have a real problem with congress removing him from office if this turns out to be false and that is a rather massive thing to state.

As this stuff (from both ends) drags on, it seems to me we really need one macro Russia investigation to put it to bed once and for all, and we need resolution to this "tapping" thing just as quickly. If Trump has evidence, let's see it.

The noise was bad enough before this, but this is a complete mess.
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[Theowl32]

Remember when the left did not care about the illegal emails by hillary despite the actual evidence? It is amazing isn't it? How the media directs our attention from the truth to a lie. They then make accusations and claim there is evidence yet admit there is no proof of russians altering the election.

So, now they are actually claiming there is no proof of wire tapping. While there is no proof of russians "altering" elections. None, whatsoever.

Can anyone keep track of their shit?

 

[Camp]

Remember when the left did not care about the illegal emails by hillary despite the actual evidence? It is amazing isn't it? How the media directs our attention from the truth to a lie. They then make accusations and claim there is evidence yet admit there is no proof of russians altering the election.

So, now they are actually claiming there is no proof of wire tapping. While there is no proof of russians "altering" elections. None, whatsoever.

Can anyone keep track of their shit?

The accusation has always been that the Russians "attempted" to alter the election by meddling. It doesn't matter whether they were successful. That would be a subjective opinion and subjective opinions can not be proven because they are based on opinions. The word "meddling" has been replaced with the more definitive and objective word "altering".
Trump supporters and cult followers get played every day and suckered into promoting his propaganda.

 

[postman]

Remember when the left did not care about the illegal emails by hillary despite the actual evidence? It is amazing isn't it? How the media directs our attention from the truth to a lie. They then make accusations and claim there is evidence yet admit there is no proof of russians altering the election.

So, now they are actually claiming there is no proof of wire tapping. While there is no proof of russians "altering" elections. None, whatsoever.

Can anyone keep track of their shit?

There is a ton of evidence of the Russians and eastern bloc posting "fake news" . Reports the Russians hacked into both the DNC and RNC servers.

But bury your head in the sand, and listen to the tweets Trump got from the blogs, like Breitbart, rather than the reports from our 16 intelligence agencies.

 

[rightwinger]

I'd like to see Trump sued for libel

 

[postman]

They are some of the worst charges that he could have made as well - essentially stating that Obama was abusing his position in the government to eliminate political adversaries..

Exept Obama knew of the investigation of Trump election officials and their ties to Russia, and Obama kept it quiet. Saying nothing until after the election was over, and only then taking action expelling 35 Russian diplomats.

 

[Theowl32]

Remember when the left did not care about the illegal emails by hillary despite the actual evidence? It is amazing isn't it? How the media directs our attention from the truth to a lie. They then make accusations and claim there is evidence yet admit there is no proof of russians altering the election.

So, now they are actually claiming there is no proof of wire tapping. While there is no proof of russians "altering" elections. None, whatsoever.

Can anyone keep track of their shit?

There is a ton of evidence of the Russians and eastern bloc posting "fake news" . Reports the Russians hacked into both the DNC and RNC servers.

But bury your head in the sand, and listen to the tweets Trump got from the blogs, like Breitbart, rather than the reports from our 16 intelligence agencies.

Where the fuck is the evidence that russians altered the elections. Hacking into the RNC or DNC is not proof of them altering the elections. Your fucking jedi trick does not work on me you fucking loser.

Want to know who else hacks? Every country, including China. Want to talk about the skinny lying half negro muslim marxist in chief trying to influence Israel's elections?

Thought not.

Want to talk about the content found in the emails by your fucking lying kuuunt witch?

Why did she delete those 30k? Cause there was nothing there?

Why did she illegally use a private server?

Was it because her dealings with foreign governments would not be subject to the freedom of information act?

I presented fucking facts you piece of shit.

Bury your fucking head in your boyfriends ass faggot. You have nothing on me you lying motherfucker.

 

[edward37]

I'd like to see Trump sued for libel

that would be a good thing indeed the suer in charge getting his ass sued off again He must keep a couple of law firms busy

 

[postman]

The accusation has always been that the Russians "attempted" to alter the election by meddling. It doesn't matter whether they were successful. That would be a subjective opinion and subjective opinions can not be proven because they are based on opinions. The word "meddling" has been replaced with the more definitive and objective word "altering".
Trump supporters and cult followers get played every day and suckered into promoting his propaganda.

I don't see what Trump is so worried about. No matter if the Russians meddled or not, it doesn't change the results of the election. What his administration should be concentrating on is how to prevent foreign influence of US elections in the future.

 

[postman]

Where the fuck is the evidence that russians altered the elections..

There is proof the Russians meddled in the election. Whether or not and to what extent it was altered is a matter of opinion.

 

[edward37]

Remember when the left did not care about the illegal emails by hillary despite the actual evidence? It is amazing isn't it? How the media directs our attention from the truth to a lie. They then make accusations and claim there is evidence yet admit there is no proof of russians altering the election.

So, now they are actually claiming there is no proof of wire tapping. While there is no proof of russians "altering" elections. None, whatsoever.

Can anyone keep track of their shit?

There is a ton of evidence of the Russians and eastern bloc posting "fake news" . Reports the Russians hacked into both the DNC and RNC servers.

But bury your head in the sand, and listen to the tweets Trump got from the blogs, like Breitbart, rather than the reports from our 16 intelligence agencies.

Where the fuck is the evidence that russians altered the elections. Hacking into the RNC or DNC is not proof of them altering the elections. Your fucking jedi trick does not work on me you fucking loser.

Want to know who else hacks? Every country, including China. Want to talk about the skinny lying half negro muslim marxist in chief trying to influence Israel's elections?

Thought not.

Want to talk about the content found in the emails by your fucking lying kuuunt witch?

Why did she delete those 30k? Cause there was nothing there?

Why did she illegally use a private server?

Was it because her dealings with foreign governments would not be subject to the freedom of information act?

I presented fucking facts you piece of shit.

Bury your fucking head in your boyfriends ass faggot. You have nothing on me you lying motherfucker.

just because you have a dirty mouth doesn't mean you're right Our agencies know that russian hacking took place and NO republican told them to stop...... rather trump asking them to bring it on Get those Emails of Hills you should be ashamed of yourself supporting this ah in our wh

 

[postman]

Hacking into the RNC or DNC is not proof of them altering the elections. Your fucking jedi trick does not work on me you fucking loser. .

Once again, it's Russian meddling in the election. Whether or not the election was altered by their actions is purely subjective and based on opinion and speculation.

Observer effect may refer to: Hawthorne effect, a form of reactivity in which subjects modify an aspect of their behavior, in response to their knowing that they are being studied.

 

[postman]

Why did she delete those 30k? Cause there was nothing there?

Why did she illegally use a private server?

Was it because her dealings with foreign governments would not be subject to the freedom of information act?

I presented fucking facts you piece of shit.

Bury your fucking head in your boyfriends ass faggot. You have nothing on me you lying motherfucker.

Actually you presented a set of questions. You have no supportive facts in that post. Sorry.

 

[edward37]

The accusation has always been that the Russians "attempted" to alter the election by meddling. It doesn't matter whether they were successful. That would be a subjective opinion and subjective opinions can not be proven because they are based on opinions. The word "meddling" has been replaced with the more definitive and objective word "altering".
Trump supporters and cult followers get played every day and suckered into promoting his propaganda.

I don't see what Trump is so worried about. No matter if the Russians meddled or not, it doesn't change the results of the election. What his administration should be concentrating on is how to prevent foreign influence of US elections in the future.

how come trump hasn't made any attempt to sanction russia furthur for their interference ? could it be trumpovitch is in bed with our enemy putin?