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Not only is there no evidence, but Clapper came right out and said it never happened.So far there is no evidence indicating any such thing.
James Clapper answered it all this morning on Meet The Press --
... there was NO wiretapping of Trump Towers at any time by anyone anywhere on Clapper's watch.
Trump pulled this all out of his azz.
I have heard over and over that there has been absolutely no evidence of any wrong doing by Trump's campaign staff or administration so far. I hear that all the time on CNN, in the paper, etc. I agree there's a lot of Dems blowing smoke right now, but if you haven't heard the truth, it's because your ears are mysteriously not hearing what is actually being said.No spin. No smoke and mirrors. No conjecture. Was he wire tapped? If that can't be answered everything else is Conspiracy Theory material of attempting to create links between unrelated incidents.
At this point, it see - the whole wire-tap claim is unsubstantiated and taking on the guise of a conspiracy theory.
From: Analysis | Donald Trump was a conspiracy-theory candidate. Now he’s on the edge of being a conspiracy-theory president.
The problem here, of course, is that what Levin — and Breitbart — use as evidence for these claims are a series of seemingly unconnected events — from FISA court requests to Trump joking about the Russia email hack, to the release of Hillary Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta’s emails in the fall. The proof that all — or any — of these events are tied together by actual facts as opposed to supposition is not offered.
The idea that Obama’s administration authorized — and was able to get approval for — the wiretapping of the opposition party’s candidate for president is, frankly, far-fetched. And, if someone is making that claim — as Trump is now doing — the burden of proof is on them. If you are going to say there is a grand conspiracy that only you and a handful of others see, you need to offer a step-by-step explanation to the broader public to show why you’re right.
It seems unlikely — given Trump’s past pattern of making baseless claims without proof and then simply insisting he is right and no evidence is needed to prove the point — that any meaningful effort will be made by the Trump administration to connect the dots on this alleged wiretapping conspiracy.
From the LA Times: Citing no evidence, Trump accuses Obama of tapping his phones during the election
It would be highly unusual for a sitting president to be aware of such [surveillance] requests. By blaming Obama directly, Trump accused the former president of reaching into a federal investigation and signing off on an illegal wiretap, which is a felony.
If federal investigators did monitor Trump’s phones or computers lawfully, a court would have demanded information about potential criminal misconduct or unlawful foreign contacts. Such investigations are closely held and rarely, if ever, shared with the White House.
It is possible Trump has no evidence his phones were tapped and is repeating unfounded reports circulating in conservative media circles.
There is a lot of smoke, mirrors and redirection going on here, an attempt I'm sure, to distract from the demands for an investigation into Russian ties with the Trump campaign.
Rather than blowing this up into a full blown conspiracy theory, how about looking at actual evidence?
First question to answer is: is there any hard evidence that Trump Tower was indeed wire tapped? If we can't answer that, the rest is meaningless distraction.
From the Washington Post: Analysis | Trump’s ‘evidence’ for Obama wiretap claims relies on sketchy, anonymously sourced reports
Trump’s ‘evidence’ for Obama wiretap claims relies on sketchy, anonymously sourced reports
Brietbart article on FISA Requests: June & October. Breitbart based it's article entirely on one source: and article written by Louise Mensch, a former Tory member of the British Parliament and an independent journalist for Heat Street. But no one seems to be able to independently confirm the claim.
The Washington Post for months has sought to confirm this report of a FISA warrant related to the Trump campaign but has been unable to do so. Presumably other U.S. news organizations have tried to do so as well. So one has to take this claim with a huge dose of skepticism. Indeed, the New York Times reported before the election that the FBI “ultimately concluded that there could be an innocuous explanation, like a marketing email or spam, for the computer contacts” with the Russian banks.
According to the WP article:
The White House provided three other sources. Two, a National Review article and a Fox News interview, are simply derivative of the Heat Street article, with no independent confirmation. The third is a New York Times report that intelligence agencies “are examining intercepted communications and financial transactions” as part of a probe of possible links between Russian officials and Trump campaign aides. (We recall the president has previously deemed Times reporting on this matter as “fake news.”)
The article goes on to conclude:
Only two articles, both with British roots, have reported that a FISA court order was granted in October to examine possible activity between two Russian banks and a computer server in the Trump Tower. This claim has not been confirmed by a U.S. news organizations. Moreover, neither article says President Obama requested the order or that it resulted in the tapping of Trump’s phone lines.
And lastly:
Moreover, the articles do not support the White House’s claim that these were “potentially politically motivated investigations” led by President Obama. The articles all suggest the FISA requests — if they happened — were done by the intelligence agencies and the FBI.
So, before we have this huge political uproar, and immediate comparisons to Watergate, lets' get at the facts first. Can anyone answer these questions?
1. Was Trump wiretapped? If yes - what evidence? Were bugs found in Trump Tower?
2. Were FISA requests issued? If yes - can the claims be confirmed by more then one source and for what specifically were they for?
Until those are answered - there's nothing but smoke.
The same could be said for all these people saying that Trump is an Agent of Putin, they have produced no evidence, yet the MSM has no problem accusing Trump of this 24/7.
How about actual concrete evidence is publicly presented to show that Trump is an Agent of Putin?
Now that the table is turned on Obama and The Obama Administration the media whores are outraged at the suggestion that Obama had Trump Tower wiretapped during an Election.
Not one of these media whores has written or stated that if Obama did have Trump Tower wiretapped that would be a very disturbing development and would be on par with the wiretapping of The Watergate Building.
The problem is the cheerleading and hysterically anti-Trump media think that Obama can do no wrong, and if it is shown that Obama did have Trump Tower wiretapped, they will spin it so they can attempt to help him all they can.
Could Obama who ordered American citizens to be Droned also order the illegal wiretapping for political purposes of Trump Tower? Yes many think he could.
It is amazing that when the accusations against Trump about the Russians are talked about in the democrat controlled press...they never say there is no evidence supporting the accusation...
But in every freaking story about Trump saying he was wire tapped...the first thing they lead with is that Trump has put out no evidence...
The double standard is mind blowing.......
First Tuesday after never.What I want to know is when will Reince, Mitch, and Paul get finally fed up and repeal and replace Trump with Pence ?!Interesting how "just the facts" is the standard now that the Democrats are out of power.
Will the OP be extending this "standard" to the Republicans?
I think we should when baseless allegations are put forth. Did the Republicans extend this when birtherism was embraced and Obama's legitimacy openly questioned? Eh...I don't think so.
It shouldn't be a partisan thing.
Clapper oversaw everything.James Clapper answered it all this morning on Meet The Press --
... there was NO wiretapping of Trump Towers at any time by anyone anywhere on Clapper's watch.
Trump pulled this all out of his azz.
James Clapper says that, in the national intelligence activity he oversaw, “there was no such wiretap activity mounted against the president, the president-elect at the time, as a candidate or against his campaign.”
Clapper says as intelligence director he would have known about a “FISA court order on something like this. Absolutely, I can deny it.”
Basically, Clapper who lied to Congress under oath, just went full retard denying everything. A bunch of possibilities if we consider the FISA orders do exist:
1. Clapper is legitimately insane, has no idea what he's doing anymore and just blatantly lied to the press about records Trump could declassify and release any time
2. Obama's DoJ ordered this without Clapper's knowledge, which makes it seem even more suspicious
3. Clapper knew but covering his own ass and trying to throw Obama and Lynch under the bus by pointing to option 2
This is getting more and more interesting.
The Latest: House intel panel to probe Trump wiretap claims
Really? Is that trueAgain I'll ask... if there is classified evidence then wouldn't trump tweeting about it be a crime? If not then please explain howSo far there is no evidence indicating any such thing.
Kind of what I thought but there is so much smoke, everyone is running around screaming and having hysterics. Like to know if there is any actual evidence yet.
Note: claims of a massive Obama administration and news media conspiracy to dethrone Trump do not constitute evidence...
The Trump Administration needs to declassify the evidence and release it, if they have seen the evidence that Obama ordered Trump Tower to be wiretapped, then they need to publicly release the evidence of this.
No....the President gets to make the decision as to what is or isn't classified.....
James Clapper answered it all this morning on Meet The Press --
... there was NO wiretapping of Trump Towers at any time by anyone anywhere on Clapper's watch.
Trump pulled this all out of his azz.
James Clapper says that, in the national intelligence activity he oversaw, “there was no such wiretap activity mounted against the president, the president-elect at the time, as a candidate or against his campaign.”
Clapper says as intelligence director he would have known about a “FISA court order on something like this. Absolutely, I can deny it.”
Basically, Clapper who lied to Congress under oath, just went full retard denying everything. A bunch of possibilities if we consider the FISA orders do exist:
1. Clapper is legitimately insane, has no idea what he's doing anymore and just blatantly lied to the press about records Trump could declassify and release any time
2. Obama's DoJ ordered this without Clapper's knowledge, which makes it seem even more suspicious
3. Clapper knew but covering his own ass and trying to throw Obama and Lynch under the bus by pointing to option 2
This is getting more and more interesting.
The Latest: House intel panel to probe Trump wiretap claims
Great, Lucy, your favorite boogeyman is back in place so you all can keep flogging him. I do not recall Obama behaving in any way that could fairly be compared to what Trump is doing right now. Or any reactions that would compare with what is happening now. Everyone, both sides, need a fucking time out, imo. It has spun out of control. Feeding this division is only making it worse, whatever your actual intentions are. Give us proof of wrongdoing -- we have none regarding Trump -- or stop this.I'd like to take back any neutral, trying to be fair, attempts I've made to give this new President the benefit of the doubt. He is out to keep this country ripped open and divided. He is now my enemy.
Nobody divided America more than Obama, he Race Baited almost on a daily basis, pitting Blacks against Whites, Obama is responsible for BLM, they never existed until Blacks were whipped up into a frenzy by Obama and also by the MSM who started by fanning the flames during the Ferguson situation.
Obama seems to have left tripwires all over the place in his last month in the White House, this to deliberately sabotage The Trump Administration.
Also the majority of former American Presidents go into the sunset and do NOT speak out against the new President, Obama broke that unwritten rule during the second week of Trump becoming the President.
Now he's set himself up in a house not far from the White House and Valerie Jarrett has moved into the house and Eric Holder has said that Obama is "ready to roll" ie. to work to further sabotage The Trump Administration.
Newly rich Obama is 'ready to roll' says Eric Holder | Daily Mail Online
Eric Holder: Obama Preparing to Get Back Into Political Spotlight
Really? Is that trueAgain I'll ask... if there is classified evidence then wouldn't trump tweeting about it be a crime? If not then please explain howSo far there is no evidence indicating any such thing.
Kind of what I thought but there is so much smoke, everyone is running around screaming and having hysterics. Like to know if there is any actual evidence yet.
Note: claims of a massive Obama administration and news media conspiracy to dethrone Trump do not constitute evidence...
The Trump Administration needs to declassify the evidence and release it, if they have seen the evidence that Obama ordered Trump Tower to be wiretapped, then they need to publicly release the evidence of this.
No....the President gets to make the decision as to what is or isn't classified.....
Clapper also said there was no collusion found from his own investigation between the Trump campaign and Russia.I have heard over and over that there has been absolutely no evidence of any wrong doing by Trump's campaign staff or administration so far. I hear that all the time on CNN, in the paper, etc. I agree there's a lot of Dems blowing smoke right now, but if you haven't heard the truth, it's because your ears are mysteriously not hearing what is actually being said.No spin. No smoke and mirrors. No conjecture. Was he wire tapped? If that can't be answered everything else is Conspiracy Theory material of attempting to create links between unrelated incidents.
At this point, it see - the whole wire-tap claim is unsubstantiated and taking on the guise of a conspiracy theory.
From: Analysis | Donald Trump was a conspiracy-theory candidate. Now he’s on the edge of being a conspiracy-theory president.
The problem here, of course, is that what Levin — and Breitbart — use as evidence for these claims are a series of seemingly unconnected events — from FISA court requests to Trump joking about the Russia email hack, to the release of Hillary Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta’s emails in the fall. The proof that all — or any — of these events are tied together by actual facts as opposed to supposition is not offered.
The idea that Obama’s administration authorized — and was able to get approval for — the wiretapping of the opposition party’s candidate for president is, frankly, far-fetched. And, if someone is making that claim — as Trump is now doing — the burden of proof is on them. If you are going to say there is a grand conspiracy that only you and a handful of others see, you need to offer a step-by-step explanation to the broader public to show why you’re right.
It seems unlikely — given Trump’s past pattern of making baseless claims without proof and then simply insisting he is right and no evidence is needed to prove the point — that any meaningful effort will be made by the Trump administration to connect the dots on this alleged wiretapping conspiracy.
From the LA Times: Citing no evidence, Trump accuses Obama of tapping his phones during the election
It would be highly unusual for a sitting president to be aware of such [surveillance] requests. By blaming Obama directly, Trump accused the former president of reaching into a federal investigation and signing off on an illegal wiretap, which is a felony.
If federal investigators did monitor Trump’s phones or computers lawfully, a court would have demanded information about potential criminal misconduct or unlawful foreign contacts. Such investigations are closely held and rarely, if ever, shared with the White House.
It is possible Trump has no evidence his phones were tapped and is repeating unfounded reports circulating in conservative media circles.
There is a lot of smoke, mirrors and redirection going on here, an attempt I'm sure, to distract from the demands for an investigation into Russian ties with the Trump campaign.
Rather than blowing this up into a full blown conspiracy theory, how about looking at actual evidence?
First question to answer is: is there any hard evidence that Trump Tower was indeed wire tapped? If we can't answer that, the rest is meaningless distraction.
From the Washington Post: Analysis | Trump’s ‘evidence’ for Obama wiretap claims relies on sketchy, anonymously sourced reports
Trump’s ‘evidence’ for Obama wiretap claims relies on sketchy, anonymously sourced reports
Brietbart article on FISA Requests: June & October. Breitbart based it's article entirely on one source: and article written by Louise Mensch, a former Tory member of the British Parliament and an independent journalist for Heat Street. But no one seems to be able to independently confirm the claim.
The Washington Post for months has sought to confirm this report of a FISA warrant related to the Trump campaign but has been unable to do so. Presumably other U.S. news organizations have tried to do so as well. So one has to take this claim with a huge dose of skepticism. Indeed, the New York Times reported before the election that the FBI “ultimately concluded that there could be an innocuous explanation, like a marketing email or spam, for the computer contacts” with the Russian banks.
According to the WP article:
The White House provided three other sources. Two, a National Review article and a Fox News interview, are simply derivative of the Heat Street article, with no independent confirmation. The third is a New York Times report that intelligence agencies “are examining intercepted communications and financial transactions” as part of a probe of possible links between Russian officials and Trump campaign aides. (We recall the president has previously deemed Times reporting on this matter as “fake news.”)
The article goes on to conclude:
Only two articles, both with British roots, have reported that a FISA court order was granted in October to examine possible activity between two Russian banks and a computer server in the Trump Tower. This claim has not been confirmed by a U.S. news organizations. Moreover, neither article says President Obama requested the order or that it resulted in the tapping of Trump’s phone lines.
And lastly:
Moreover, the articles do not support the White House’s claim that these were “potentially politically motivated investigations” led by President Obama. The articles all suggest the FISA requests — if they happened — were done by the intelligence agencies and the FBI.
So, before we have this huge political uproar, and immediate comparisons to Watergate, lets' get at the facts first. Can anyone answer these questions?
1. Was Trump wiretapped? If yes - what evidence? Were bugs found in Trump Tower?
2. Were FISA requests issued? If yes - can the claims be confirmed by more then one source and for what specifically were they for?
Until those are answered - there's nothing but smoke.
The same could be said for all these people saying that Trump is an Agent of Putin, they have produced no evidence, yet the MSM has no problem accusing Trump of this 24/7.
How about actual concrete evidence is publicly presented to show that Trump is an Agent of Putin?
Now that the table is turned on Obama and The Obama Administration the media whores are outraged at the suggestion that Obama had Trump Tower wiretapped during an Election.
Not one of these media whores has written or stated that if Obama did have Trump Tower wiretapped that would be a very disturbing development and would be on par with the wiretapping of The Watergate Building.
The problem is the cheerleading and hysterically anti-Trump media think that Obama can do no wrong, and if it is shown that Obama did have Trump Tower wiretapped, they will spin it so they can attempt to help him all they can.
Could Obama who ordered American citizens to be Droned also order the illegal wiretapping for political purposes of Trump Tower? Yes many think he could.
It is amazing that when the accusations against Trump about the Russians are talked about in the democrat controlled press...they never say there is no evidence supporting the accusation...
But in every freaking story about Trump saying he was wire tapped...the first thing they lead with is that Trump has put out no evidence...
The double standard is mind blowing.......
That's why we need a bipartisan investigation, and then either there will be something to merit further action or we can put it to rest.
Except for the conspiracy theorists of course.
If he didn't do anything wrong then why did Trump fire him?Flynn got fired, that's enough hard evidence to justify the questions. How can you deny that?No spin. No smoke and mirrors. No conjecture. Was he wire tapped? If that can't be answered everything else is Conspiracy Theory material of attempting to create links between unrelated incidents.
At this point, it see - the whole wire-tap claim is unsubstantiated and taking on the guise of a conspiracy theory.
From: Analysis | Donald Trump was a conspiracy-theory candidate. Now he’s on the edge of being a conspiracy-theory president.
The problem here, of course, is that what Levin — and Breitbart — use as evidence for these claims are a series of seemingly unconnected events — from FISA court requests to Trump joking about the Russia email hack, to the release of Hillary Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta’s emails in the fall. The proof that all — or any — of these events are tied together by actual facts as opposed to supposition is not offered.
The idea that Obama’s administration authorized — and was able to get approval for — the wiretapping of the opposition party’s candidate for president is, frankly, far-fetched. And, if someone is making that claim — as Trump is now doing — the burden of proof is on them. If you are going to say there is a grand conspiracy that only you and a handful of others see, you need to offer a step-by-step explanation to the broader public to show why you’re right.
It seems unlikely — given Trump’s past pattern of making baseless claims without proof and then simply insisting he is right and no evidence is needed to prove the point — that any meaningful effort will be made by the Trump administration to connect the dots on this alleged wiretapping conspiracy.
From the LA Times: Citing no evidence, Trump accuses Obama of tapping his phones during the election
It would be highly unusual for a sitting president to be aware of such [surveillance] requests. By blaming Obama directly, Trump accused the former president of reaching into a federal investigation and signing off on an illegal wiretap, which is a felony.
If federal investigators did monitor Trump’s phones or computers lawfully, a court would have demanded information about potential criminal misconduct or unlawful foreign contacts. Such investigations are closely held and rarely, if ever, shared with the White House.
It is possible Trump has no evidence his phones were tapped and is repeating unfounded reports circulating in conservative media circles.
There is a lot of smoke, mirrors and redirection going on here, an attempt I'm sure, to distract from the demands for an investigation into Russian ties with the Trump campaign.
Rather than blowing this up into a full blown conspiracy theory, how about looking at actual evidence?
First question to answer is: is there any hard evidence that Trump Tower was indeed wire tapped? If we can't answer that, the rest is meaningless distraction.
From the Washington Post: Analysis | Trump’s ‘evidence’ for Obama wiretap claims relies on sketchy, anonymously sourced reports
Trump’s ‘evidence’ for Obama wiretap claims relies on sketchy, anonymously sourced reports
Brietbart article on FISA Requests: June & October. Breitbart based it's article entirely on one source: and article written by Louise Mensch, a former Tory member of the British Parliament and an independent journalist for Heat Street. But no one seems to be able to independently confirm the claim.
The Washington Post for months has sought to confirm this report of a FISA warrant related to the Trump campaign but has been unable to do so. Presumably other U.S. news organizations have tried to do so as well. So one has to take this claim with a huge dose of skepticism. Indeed, the New York Times reported before the election that the FBI “ultimately concluded that there could be an innocuous explanation, like a marketing email or spam, for the computer contacts” with the Russian banks.
According to the WP article:
The White House provided three other sources. Two, a National Review article and a Fox News interview, are simply derivative of the Heat Street article, with no independent confirmation. The third is a New York Times report that intelligence agencies “are examining intercepted communications and financial transactions” as part of a probe of possible links between Russian officials and Trump campaign aides. (We recall the president has previously deemed Times reporting on this matter as “fake news.”)
The article goes on to conclude:
Only two articles, both with British roots, have reported that a FISA court order was granted in October to examine possible activity between two Russian banks and a computer server in the Trump Tower. This claim has not been confirmed by a U.S. news organizations. Moreover, neither article says President Obama requested the order or that it resulted in the tapping of Trump’s phone lines.
And lastly:
Moreover, the articles do not support the White House’s claim that these were “potentially politically motivated investigations” led by President Obama. The articles all suggest the FISA requests — if they happened — were done by the intelligence agencies and the FBI.
So, before we have this huge political uproar, and immediate comparisons to Watergate, lets' get at the facts first. Can anyone answer these questions?
1. Was Trump wiretapped? If yes - what evidence? Were bugs found in Trump Tower?
2. Were FISA requests issued? If yes - can the claims be confirmed by more then one source and for what specifically were they for?
Until those are answered - there's nothing but smoke.
The same could be said for all these people saying that Trump is an Agent of Putin, they have produced no evidence, yet the MSM has no problem accusing Trump of this 24/7.
How about actual concrete evidence is publicly presented to show that Trump is an Agent of Putin?
Now that the table is turned on Obama and The Obama Administration the media whores are outraged at the suggestion that Obama had Trump Tower wiretapped during an Election.
Not one of these media whores has written or stated that if Obama did have Trump Tower wiretapped that would be a very disturbing development and would be on par with the wiretapping of The Watergate Building.
The problem is the cheerleading and hysterically anti-Trump media think that Obama can do no wrong, and if it is shown that Obama did have Trump Tower wiretapped, they will spin it so they can attempt to help him all they can.
Could Obama who ordered American citizens to be Droned also order the illegal wiretapping for political purposes of Trump Tower? Yes many think he could.
It is amazing that when the accusations against Trump about the Russians are talked about in the democrat controlled press...they never say there is no evidence supporting the accusation...
But in every freaking story about Trump saying he was wire tapped...the first thing they lead with is that Trump has put out no evidence...
The double standard is mind blowing.......
Yeah.....I don't have to deny it...he did nothing wrong...there was nothing he did that was illegal......or in question. There is, however, the fact that his name was released which is a violation of his rights under our laws........
Newspaper articles are not "evidence".So far there is no evidence indicating any such thing.
Intercepted Russian Communications Part of Inquiry Into Trump Associates
"intercepted communications"
Evidence is hard proof (Like a video recording or a voice recording of a phone conversation), not speculation based upon unsubstantiated opinion.
Newspaper articles are not "evidence".So far there is no evidence indicating any such thing.
Intercepted Russian Communications Part of Inquiry Into Trump Associates
"intercepted communications"
Evidence is hard proof (Like a video recording or a voice recording of a phone conversation), not speculation based upon unsubstantiated opinion.
Newspaper articles can be evidence - when they can be independently confirmed through more then just one source. The more reliable sources attempt to do that.
I have heard over and over that there has been absolutely no evidence of any wrong doing by Trump's campaign staff or administration so far. I hear that all the time on CNN, in the paper, etc. I agree there's a lot of Dems blowing smoke right now, but if you haven't heard the truth, it's because your ears are mysteriously not hearing what is actually being said.No spin. No smoke and mirrors. No conjecture. Was he wire tapped? If that can't be answered everything else is Conspiracy Theory material of attempting to create links between unrelated incidents.
At this point, it see - the whole wire-tap claim is unsubstantiated and taking on the guise of a conspiracy theory.
From: Analysis | Donald Trump was a conspiracy-theory candidate. Now he’s on the edge of being a conspiracy-theory president.
The problem here, of course, is that what Levin — and Breitbart — use as evidence for these claims are a series of seemingly unconnected events — from FISA court requests to Trump joking about the Russia email hack, to the release of Hillary Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta’s emails in the fall. The proof that all — or any — of these events are tied together by actual facts as opposed to supposition is not offered.
The idea that Obama’s administration authorized — and was able to get approval for — the wiretapping of the opposition party’s candidate for president is, frankly, far-fetched. And, if someone is making that claim — as Trump is now doing — the burden of proof is on them. If you are going to say there is a grand conspiracy that only you and a handful of others see, you need to offer a step-by-step explanation to the broader public to show why you’re right.
It seems unlikely — given Trump’s past pattern of making baseless claims without proof and then simply insisting he is right and no evidence is needed to prove the point — that any meaningful effort will be made by the Trump administration to connect the dots on this alleged wiretapping conspiracy.
From the LA Times: Citing no evidence, Trump accuses Obama of tapping his phones during the election
It would be highly unusual for a sitting president to be aware of such [surveillance] requests. By blaming Obama directly, Trump accused the former president of reaching into a federal investigation and signing off on an illegal wiretap, which is a felony.
If federal investigators did monitor Trump’s phones or computers lawfully, a court would have demanded information about potential criminal misconduct or unlawful foreign contacts. Such investigations are closely held and rarely, if ever, shared with the White House.
It is possible Trump has no evidence his phones were tapped and is repeating unfounded reports circulating in conservative media circles.
There is a lot of smoke, mirrors and redirection going on here, an attempt I'm sure, to distract from the demands for an investigation into Russian ties with the Trump campaign.
Rather than blowing this up into a full blown conspiracy theory, how about looking at actual evidence?
First question to answer is: is there any hard evidence that Trump Tower was indeed wire tapped? If we can't answer that, the rest is meaningless distraction.
From the Washington Post: Analysis | Trump’s ‘evidence’ for Obama wiretap claims relies on sketchy, anonymously sourced reports
Trump’s ‘evidence’ for Obama wiretap claims relies on sketchy, anonymously sourced reports
Brietbart article on FISA Requests: June & October. Breitbart based it's article entirely on one source: and article written by Louise Mensch, a former Tory member of the British Parliament and an independent journalist for Heat Street. But no one seems to be able to independently confirm the claim.
The Washington Post for months has sought to confirm this report of a FISA warrant related to the Trump campaign but has been unable to do so. Presumably other U.S. news organizations have tried to do so as well. So one has to take this claim with a huge dose of skepticism. Indeed, the New York Times reported before the election that the FBI “ultimately concluded that there could be an innocuous explanation, like a marketing email or spam, for the computer contacts” with the Russian banks.
According to the WP article:
The White House provided three other sources. Two, a National Review article and a Fox News interview, are simply derivative of the Heat Street article, with no independent confirmation. The third is a New York Times report that intelligence agencies “are examining intercepted communications and financial transactions” as part of a probe of possible links between Russian officials and Trump campaign aides. (We recall the president has previously deemed Times reporting on this matter as “fake news.”)
The article goes on to conclude:
Only two articles, both with British roots, have reported that a FISA court order was granted in October to examine possible activity between two Russian banks and a computer server in the Trump Tower. This claim has not been confirmed by a U.S. news organizations. Moreover, neither article says President Obama requested the order or that it resulted in the tapping of Trump’s phone lines.
And lastly:
Moreover, the articles do not support the White House’s claim that these were “potentially politically motivated investigations” led by President Obama. The articles all suggest the FISA requests — if they happened — were done by the intelligence agencies and the FBI.
So, before we have this huge political uproar, and immediate comparisons to Watergate, lets' get at the facts first. Can anyone answer these questions?
1. Was Trump wiretapped? If yes - what evidence? Were bugs found in Trump Tower?
2. Were FISA requests issued? If yes - can the claims be confirmed by more then one source and for what specifically were they for?
Until those are answered - there's nothing but smoke.
The same could be said for all these people saying that Trump is an Agent of Putin, they have produced no evidence, yet the MSM has no problem accusing Trump of this 24/7.
How about actual concrete evidence is publicly presented to show that Trump is an Agent of Putin?
Now that the table is turned on Obama and The Obama Administration the media whores are outraged at the suggestion that Obama had Trump Tower wiretapped during an Election.
Not one of these media whores has written or stated that if Obama did have Trump Tower wiretapped that would be a very disturbing development and would be on par with the wiretapping of The Watergate Building.
The problem is the cheerleading and hysterically anti-Trump media think that Obama can do no wrong, and if it is shown that Obama did have Trump Tower wiretapped, they will spin it so they can attempt to help him all they can.
Could Obama who ordered American citizens to be Droned also order the illegal wiretapping for political purposes of Trump Tower? Yes many think he could.
It is amazing that when the accusations against Trump about the Russians are talked about in the democrat controlled press...they never say there is no evidence supporting the accusation...
But in every freaking story about Trump saying he was wire tapped...the first thing they lead with is that Trump has put out no evidence...
The double standard is mind blowing.......
That's why we need a bipartisan investigation, and then either there will be something to merit further action or we can put it to rest.
Except for the conspiracy theorists of course.
It was all junk news.Newspaper articles are not "evidence".So far there is no evidence indicating any such thing.
Intercepted Russian Communications Part of Inquiry Into Trump Associates
"intercepted communications"
Evidence is hard proof (Like a video recording or a voice recording of a phone conversation), not speculation based upon unsubstantiated opinion.
Newspaper articles can be evidence - when they can be independently confirmed through more then just one source. The more reliable sources attempt to do that.
Clapper also said there was no collusion found from his own investigation between the Trump campaign and Russia.I have heard over and over that there has been absolutely no evidence of any wrong doing by Trump's campaign staff or administration so far. I hear that all the time on CNN, in the paper, etc. I agree there's a lot of Dems blowing smoke right now, but if you haven't heard the truth, it's because your ears are mysteriously not hearing what is actually being said.No spin. No smoke and mirrors. No conjecture. Was he wire tapped? If that can't be answered everything else is Conspiracy Theory material of attempting to create links between unrelated incidents.
At this point, it see - the whole wire-tap claim is unsubstantiated and taking on the guise of a conspiracy theory.
From: Analysis | Donald Trump was a conspiracy-theory candidate. Now he’s on the edge of being a conspiracy-theory president.
The problem here, of course, is that what Levin — and Breitbart — use as evidence for these claims are a series of seemingly unconnected events — from FISA court requests to Trump joking about the Russia email hack, to the release of Hillary Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta’s emails in the fall. The proof that all — or any — of these events are tied together by actual facts as opposed to supposition is not offered.
The idea that Obama’s administration authorized — and was able to get approval for — the wiretapping of the opposition party’s candidate for president is, frankly, far-fetched. And, if someone is making that claim — as Trump is now doing — the burden of proof is on them. If you are going to say there is a grand conspiracy that only you and a handful of others see, you need to offer a step-by-step explanation to the broader public to show why you’re right.
It seems unlikely — given Trump’s past pattern of making baseless claims without proof and then simply insisting he is right and no evidence is needed to prove the point — that any meaningful effort will be made by the Trump administration to connect the dots on this alleged wiretapping conspiracy.
From the LA Times: Citing no evidence, Trump accuses Obama of tapping his phones during the election
It would be highly unusual for a sitting president to be aware of such [surveillance] requests. By blaming Obama directly, Trump accused the former president of reaching into a federal investigation and signing off on an illegal wiretap, which is a felony.
If federal investigators did monitor Trump’s phones or computers lawfully, a court would have demanded information about potential criminal misconduct or unlawful foreign contacts. Such investigations are closely held and rarely, if ever, shared with the White House.
It is possible Trump has no evidence his phones were tapped and is repeating unfounded reports circulating in conservative media circles.
There is a lot of smoke, mirrors and redirection going on here, an attempt I'm sure, to distract from the demands for an investigation into Russian ties with the Trump campaign.
Rather than blowing this up into a full blown conspiracy theory, how about looking at actual evidence?
First question to answer is: is there any hard evidence that Trump Tower was indeed wire tapped? If we can't answer that, the rest is meaningless distraction.
From the Washington Post: Analysis | Trump’s ‘evidence’ for Obama wiretap claims relies on sketchy, anonymously sourced reports
Trump’s ‘evidence’ for Obama wiretap claims relies on sketchy, anonymously sourced reports
Brietbart article on FISA Requests: June & October. Breitbart based it's article entirely on one source: and article written by Louise Mensch, a former Tory member of the British Parliament and an independent journalist for Heat Street. But no one seems to be able to independently confirm the claim.
The Washington Post for months has sought to confirm this report of a FISA warrant related to the Trump campaign but has been unable to do so. Presumably other U.S. news organizations have tried to do so as well. So one has to take this claim with a huge dose of skepticism. Indeed, the New York Times reported before the election that the FBI “ultimately concluded that there could be an innocuous explanation, like a marketing email or spam, for the computer contacts” with the Russian banks.
According to the WP article:
The White House provided three other sources. Two, a National Review article and a Fox News interview, are simply derivative of the Heat Street article, with no independent confirmation. The third is a New York Times report that intelligence agencies “are examining intercepted communications and financial transactions” as part of a probe of possible links between Russian officials and Trump campaign aides. (We recall the president has previously deemed Times reporting on this matter as “fake news.”)
The article goes on to conclude:
Only two articles, both with British roots, have reported that a FISA court order was granted in October to examine possible activity between two Russian banks and a computer server in the Trump Tower. This claim has not been confirmed by a U.S. news organizations. Moreover, neither article says President Obama requested the order or that it resulted in the tapping of Trump’s phone lines.
And lastly:
Moreover, the articles do not support the White House’s claim that these were “potentially politically motivated investigations” led by President Obama. The articles all suggest the FISA requests — if they happened — were done by the intelligence agencies and the FBI.
So, before we have this huge political uproar, and immediate comparisons to Watergate, lets' get at the facts first. Can anyone answer these questions?
1. Was Trump wiretapped? If yes - what evidence? Were bugs found in Trump Tower?
2. Were FISA requests issued? If yes - can the claims be confirmed by more then one source and for what specifically were they for?
Until those are answered - there's nothing but smoke.
The same could be said for all these people saying that Trump is an Agent of Putin, they have produced no evidence, yet the MSM has no problem accusing Trump of this 24/7.
How about actual concrete evidence is publicly presented to show that Trump is an Agent of Putin?
Now that the table is turned on Obama and The Obama Administration the media whores are outraged at the suggestion that Obama had Trump Tower wiretapped during an Election.
Not one of these media whores has written or stated that if Obama did have Trump Tower wiretapped that would be a very disturbing development and would be on par with the wiretapping of The Watergate Building.
The problem is the cheerleading and hysterically anti-Trump media think that Obama can do no wrong, and if it is shown that Obama did have Trump Tower wiretapped, they will spin it so they can attempt to help him all they can.
Could Obama who ordered American citizens to be Droned also order the illegal wiretapping for political purposes of Trump Tower? Yes many think he could.
It is amazing that when the accusations against Trump about the Russians are talked about in the democrat controlled press...they never say there is no evidence supporting the accusation...
But in every freaking story about Trump saying he was wire tapped...the first thing they lead with is that Trump has put out no evidence...
The double standard is mind blowing.......
That's why we need a bipartisan investigation, and then either there will be something to merit further action or we can put it to rest.
Except for the conspiracy theorists of course.
Even so, Susan Collins and Mark Rubio's committee is investigating.
I would like to see Sessions impeached however. He clearly lied to Congress.
Why would I do that? I don't think there is a "connection" between Trump and Russia. However, if there were, I in fact, WOULD demand evidence.Newspaper articles are not "evidence".So far there is no evidence indicating any such thing.
Intercepted Russian Communications Part of Inquiry Into Trump Associates
"intercepted communications"
Evidence is hard proof (Like a video recording or a voice recording of a phone conversation), not speculation based upon unsubstantiated opinion.
I suppose you would ask for the evidence, (like a video recording or a voice recording) about Trump's Russian connection. Oh, no evidence needed in that case...
Newspaper articles are not "evidence".So far there is no evidence indicating any such thing.
Intercepted Russian Communications Part of Inquiry Into Trump Associates
"intercepted communications"
Evidence is hard proof (Like a video recording or a voice recording of a phone conversation), not speculation based upon unsubstantiated opinion.
Newspaper articles can be evidence - when they can be independently confirmed through more then just one source. The more reliable sources attempt to do that.
Such constitutes no evidence. Hearsay statutes apply. That only means that there could be 2 liars.
And my guess is there will be none This idiot in our WH likes throwing jack rabbits out there for folks to chase rather than them attacking underlying problems After birther bs how can anyone believe anything out of his mouth??So far there is no evidence indicating any such thing.
If he didn't do anything wrong then why did Trump fire him?Flynn got fired, that's enough hard evidence to justify the questions. How can you deny that?No spin. No smoke and mirrors. No conjecture. Was he wire tapped? If that can't be answered everything else is Conspiracy Theory material of attempting to create links between unrelated incidents.
At this point, it see - the whole wire-tap claim is unsubstantiated and taking on the guise of a conspiracy theory.
From: Analysis | Donald Trump was a conspiracy-theory candidate. Now he’s on the edge of being a conspiracy-theory president.
The problem here, of course, is that what Levin — and Breitbart — use as evidence for these claims are a series of seemingly unconnected events — from FISA court requests to Trump joking about the Russia email hack, to the release of Hillary Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta’s emails in the fall. The proof that all — or any — of these events are tied together by actual facts as opposed to supposition is not offered.
The idea that Obama’s administration authorized — and was able to get approval for — the wiretapping of the opposition party’s candidate for president is, frankly, far-fetched. And, if someone is making that claim — as Trump is now doing — the burden of proof is on them. If you are going to say there is a grand conspiracy that only you and a handful of others see, you need to offer a step-by-step explanation to the broader public to show why you’re right.
It seems unlikely — given Trump’s past pattern of making baseless claims without proof and then simply insisting he is right and no evidence is needed to prove the point — that any meaningful effort will be made by the Trump administration to connect the dots on this alleged wiretapping conspiracy.
From the LA Times: Citing no evidence, Trump accuses Obama of tapping his phones during the election
It would be highly unusual for a sitting president to be aware of such [surveillance] requests. By blaming Obama directly, Trump accused the former president of reaching into a federal investigation and signing off on an illegal wiretap, which is a felony.
If federal investigators did monitor Trump’s phones or computers lawfully, a court would have demanded information about potential criminal misconduct or unlawful foreign contacts. Such investigations are closely held and rarely, if ever, shared with the White House.
It is possible Trump has no evidence his phones were tapped and is repeating unfounded reports circulating in conservative media circles.
There is a lot of smoke, mirrors and redirection going on here, an attempt I'm sure, to distract from the demands for an investigation into Russian ties with the Trump campaign.
Rather than blowing this up into a full blown conspiracy theory, how about looking at actual evidence?
First question to answer is: is there any hard evidence that Trump Tower was indeed wire tapped? If we can't answer that, the rest is meaningless distraction.
From the Washington Post: Analysis | Trump’s ‘evidence’ for Obama wiretap claims relies on sketchy, anonymously sourced reports
Trump’s ‘evidence’ for Obama wiretap claims relies on sketchy, anonymously sourced reports
Brietbart article on FISA Requests: June & October. Breitbart based it's article entirely on one source: and article written by Louise Mensch, a former Tory member of the British Parliament and an independent journalist for Heat Street. But no one seems to be able to independently confirm the claim.
The Washington Post for months has sought to confirm this report of a FISA warrant related to the Trump campaign but has been unable to do so. Presumably other U.S. news organizations have tried to do so as well. So one has to take this claim with a huge dose of skepticism. Indeed, the New York Times reported before the election that the FBI “ultimately concluded that there could be an innocuous explanation, like a marketing email or spam, for the computer contacts” with the Russian banks.
According to the WP article:
The White House provided three other sources. Two, a National Review article and a Fox News interview, are simply derivative of the Heat Street article, with no independent confirmation. The third is a New York Times report that intelligence agencies “are examining intercepted communications and financial transactions” as part of a probe of possible links between Russian officials and Trump campaign aides. (We recall the president has previously deemed Times reporting on this matter as “fake news.”)
The article goes on to conclude:
Only two articles, both with British roots, have reported that a FISA court order was granted in October to examine possible activity between two Russian banks and a computer server in the Trump Tower. This claim has not been confirmed by a U.S. news organizations. Moreover, neither article says President Obama requested the order or that it resulted in the tapping of Trump’s phone lines.
And lastly:
Moreover, the articles do not support the White House’s claim that these were “potentially politically motivated investigations” led by President Obama. The articles all suggest the FISA requests — if they happened — were done by the intelligence agencies and the FBI.
So, before we have this huge political uproar, and immediate comparisons to Watergate, lets' get at the facts first. Can anyone answer these questions?
1. Was Trump wiretapped? If yes - what evidence? Were bugs found in Trump Tower?
2. Were FISA requests issued? If yes - can the claims be confirmed by more then one source and for what specifically were they for?
Until those are answered - there's nothing but smoke.
The same could be said for all these people saying that Trump is an Agent of Putin, they have produced no evidence, yet the MSM has no problem accusing Trump of this 24/7.
How about actual concrete evidence is publicly presented to show that Trump is an Agent of Putin?
Now that the table is turned on Obama and The Obama Administration the media whores are outraged at the suggestion that Obama had Trump Tower wiretapped during an Election.
Not one of these media whores has written or stated that if Obama did have Trump Tower wiretapped that would be a very disturbing development and would be on par with the wiretapping of The Watergate Building.
The problem is the cheerleading and hysterically anti-Trump media think that Obama can do no wrong, and if it is shown that Obama did have Trump Tower wiretapped, they will spin it so they can attempt to help him all they can.
Could Obama who ordered American citizens to be Droned also order the illegal wiretapping for political purposes of Trump Tower? Yes many think he could.
It is amazing that when the accusations against Trump about the Russians are talked about in the democrat controlled press...they never say there is no evidence supporting the accusation...
But in every freaking story about Trump saying he was wire tapped...the first thing they lead with is that Trump has put out no evidence...
The double standard is mind blowing.......
Yeah.....I don't have to deny it...he did nothing wrong...there was nothing he did that was illegal......or in question. There is, however, the fact that his name was released which is a violation of his rights under our laws........
