What are libertarians?

[Pogo]

Well that's odd because that's what Fingerboy said about me, and I challenged him to document it two days ago. He ran away then, and just ran away again now.

Since you can't read my OP post in discussing the topic in my thread, you're not in a position to talk, are you?

You pulled this same kind of juvenile shit in the "what is your plan about guns" thread ---- pretend to throw an openended question and then any answer you don't already agree with you just pretend it never showed up and go

Debating Pee Wee Herman. Pointless.

DOCUMENT the point above, or admit you're a coward and can't do it.

 

[Billy000]

Have we not yet established just how much bullshit libertarianism is to you nutters?

While the men go hunting, you put on a dress and wait in the village with the women and children...

Yeah that's so me.

 

[Bfgrn]

Have we not yet established just how much bullshit libertarianism is to you nutters?

Not a libertarian, but what is your beef with them? You no like freedom?

I love freedom but there is such a thing as too much of a good thing. Government serves a vital purpose. The idea of private industry taking over government services is dangerous and ineffective.

You are right, having private industry take over government services would be dangerous. Having a corporation take over Social Security, which is nothing more than organized plunder, would be a catastrophe. You see, private firms can't use guns to provide their services. That's why they are preferable to government. Under libertarian government, there wouldn't be any "services" that involved shaking people down at gun point. Getting rid of such "services" is the primary aim of libertarian government, not replacing them versions run by private corporations.

Which is why you are the lowest form of life. You and your ilk are a cancer that must never be allowed to metastasize in our country. You don't deserve to live in a civilized nation.

The ultimate irony is you love to attach liberals to sinister figures like Hitler, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot. Yet those dictators' belief in social Darwinism, survival of the fittest, was the very foundation of their evil.

 

[dblack]

The ultimate irony is you love to attach liberals to sinister figures like Hitler, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot. Yet those dictators' belief in social Darwinism, survival of the fittest, was the very foundation of their evil.

You should study some history. These leaders weren't social darwinists, and they certainly weren't libertarians. They were, to a man, committed to the idea that strong centralized government was necessary to control people, to make people 'better', to drive them to social perfection. You know, kinda like you do.

 

[FA_Q2]

And if you believe human beings given the absolute power of government guns to decree their rules and regulations are going to be on their best behavior, there is no "might be" about your clinical insanity.

And therein lies the true insanity on the left today. I hear all the time about how companies are the bad guys and need to be kept in check or they will use their power to run rampant all over us. Then not a peep about the government which is FAR more powerful and wields FAR more control over our lives. Why is the government somehow immune to the very same corruption that they fear from other groups?


Of course we get to vote. That gives us limited control. Then again, we also get to chose how we spend our money and that exercises even MORE control of companies. It is insane to think that the government will not abuse the very same power that some fear from companies who don't get to take your rights away or kill you when they decide that you are not acting 'properly.'

 

[FA_Q2]

The ultimate irony is you love to attach liberals to sinister figures like Hitler, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot. Yet those dictators' belief in social Darwinism, survival of the fittest, was the very foundation of their evil.

You should study some history. These leaders weren't social darwinists, and they certainly weren't libertarians. They were, to a man, committed to the idea that strong centralized government was necessary to control people, to make people 'better', to drive them to social perfection. You know, kinda like you do.

Bingo. It is always interesting to me that the left continually wants to paint those leaders as 'conservative' for a whole host of reasons - NONE of which has to do with the core problem those leaders inflicted upon their people - totalitarianism most easily identified by the fact that the government wielded ultimate control.

Of course 'conservatives' share some of their traits - the acceptance of infringements on rights for 'security,' the get reaction to trust the police and no issues with reaching our military all over the place. Then again, 'liberals' here have a whole hell of a lot more in common with them than the conservatives do...

 

[FA_Q2]

Actually "libertarianism" didn't even exist yet. Fortunately Liberalism did.

How words change. What they called liberals today are libertarians and the people who call themselves liberal today are authoritarian leftists who have as much in common with classic liberals as sperm whales have to do with moon rocks.

Well that's odd because that's what Fingerboy said about me, and I challenged him to document it two days ago. He ran away then, and just ran away again now.

It would seem this redefinition thing isn't holding up real well.

"Liberals are not "leftists". Never have been. That you don't know the difference is not our problem.

No, its is your problem. Like it or not, the left today is what embodies the modern definition of ;liberal.; You are the one that insists that we use the recognized meaning of the word that is 200 years old rather than what it means today.

You can insist that the majority of people are incorrect but then you don't actually understand language as it changes and the majority of people end up redefining words continuously.

 

[Pogo]

Actually "libertarianism" didn't even exist yet. Fortunately Liberalism did.

How words change. What they called liberals today are libertarians and the people who call themselves liberal today are authoritarian leftists who have as much in common with classic liberals as sperm whales have to do with moon rocks.

Well that's odd because that's what Fingerboy said about me, and I challenged him to document it two days ago. He ran away then, and just ran away again now.

It would seem this redefinition thing isn't holding up real well.

"Liberals are not "leftists". Never have been. That you don't know the difference is not our problem.

No, its is your problem. Like it or not, the left today is what embodies the modern definition of ;liberal.; You are the one that insists that we use the recognized meaning of the word that is 200 years old rather than what it means today.

You can insist that the majority of people are incorrect but then you don't actually understand language as it changes and the majority of people end up redefining words continuously.

You and Joe McCarthy do not have anybody's permission to revisionist-history the dictionary. If I'm using political science terms correctly and ten people are not, their ignorance doesn't somehow reset the game clock. That's nothing but the ignorami shouting down.

Hey, there's a lotta people walking around saying "I could care less" when what they mean is the exact opposite. Shall we change the rules of negation in English just because a few dullards are walking around babbling without taking a moment to think what they're saying? Shall we just dumb down everybody to make them happy?

And pretending a term is "200 years old" doesn't just magically lock it away.... from Wiki:

Liberalism is a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality.[1] Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but generally they support ideas such as free and fair elections, civil rights, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, free trade, and private property.[2][3][4][5][6]

Liberalism first became a distinct political movement during the Age of Enlightenment, when it became popular among philosophers and economists in the Western world. Liberalism rejected the notions, common at the time, of hereditary privilege, state religion, absolute monarchy, and the Divine Right of Kings. The 17th-century philosopher John Locke is often credited with founding liberalism as a distinct philosophical tradition. Locke argued that each man has a natural right to life, liberty and property[7] and according to the social contract, governments must not violate these rights. Liberals opposed traditional conservatism and sought to replace absolutism in government with representative democracy and the rule of law.​

That's not from 200 years ago -- that's from one minute ago.

Sorry, contemporary hate radio demagogues don't dictate language, and conflating dissimilar terms into one lump of ignorance isn't gonna fly just because it makes demagoguery "convenient".

It's stupefying the lengths some will go to just to avoid hearing a POV that might challenge their own. You'd think we were asking for a freaking blood sample.

 

[Bfgrn]

The ultimate irony is you love to attach liberals to sinister figures like Hitler, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot. Yet those dictators' belief in social Darwinism, survival of the fittest, was the very foundation of their evil.

You should study some history. These leaders weren't social darwinists, and they certainly weren't libertarians. They were, to a man, committed to the idea that strong centralized government was necessary to control people, to make people 'better', to drive them to social perfection. You know, kinda like you do.

YOU are the scum bag who wants to end Social Security, Medicare and social programs. What liberals have that scum bag social Darwinists like YOU don't have is compassion and empathy for other human beings. It is survival of the fittest and richest for scum like you. You right wing scum ALWAYS try to point to government vs. no government as the important factor. But we have SEEN and FELT how you right wing scum govern. Conservatives have NEVER, EVER given us less government. They have only used government to inflict MUCH MORE government intrusion into the lives of the poor and weaker members of our society and helped the rich and opulent who you WORSHIP swindle those same poor and weaker members of society.


The Social Weapon: Darwinism

The twentieth century was one of the darkest and most deadly in all of human history. Vast amounts of blood were spilled and people subjected to the most terrible fear and oppression. Such dictators as Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot inflicted genocide on millions. Hitler had those whom he regarded as “useless” exterminated in the gas chambers. Hundreds of thousands of people in many Western countries—from Great Britain to Germany, from the USA to Sweden—were compulsorily sterilized or left to die just for being sick, crippled or old. All over the world, people were oppressed and exploited because of ruthless competition. Racism became the ideology of certain states, and some races were not even regarded as human at all. Because of the conflicts and hot and cold wars between East and West, the peoples of communist and capitalist countries, and even brothers, became one another's enemies.

The main point not generally realized, however, is the nature of the ideological foundation that propelled the 20th century towards such disruption, chaos, war and conflict, and gave rise to such hatred and enmity. The groundwork of this ideological foundation was laid by the British economist Thomas Malthus. This twisted concept, widely accepted by people far removed from religious moral values, was further strengthened by another Briton, the sociologist Herbert Spencer, and disseminated by the theory of evolution put forward by yet another Englishman, Charles Darwin.

As dictated by the ideology they advocate, these three figures entirely ignored such religious moral virtues as cooperation, altruism, protecting the poor and weak, and regarding all human beings as equal. In contrast, they proposed the falsehood that life is a battlefield, that the oppression and even extermination of the poor and those races whom they regarded as “inferior” was justified; that as a result of that pitiless struggle, the “fittest” would survive and the rest would be eliminated—and that all this would lead to human “progress.”

With his theory of evolution, Darwin sought to apply this philosophy of selfishness to the natural sciences. Ignoring the examples of solidarity and cooperation created by God in nature, he maintained that all living things were engaged in a ruthless struggle for survival. On the basis of no scientific evidence whatsoever, he even claimed that this same ruthlessness applied to human societies. When his theory of evolution was applied to human society, social Darwinism appeared on the scene.

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[dblack]

The ultimate irony is you love to attach liberals to sinister figures like Hitler, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot. Yet those dictators' belief in social Darwinism, survival of the fittest, was the very foundation of their evil.

You should study some history. These leaders weren't social darwinists, and they certainly weren't libertarians. They were, to a man, committed to the idea that strong centralized government was necessary to control people, to make people 'better', to drive them to social perfection. You know, kinda like you do.

YOU are the scum bag who wants to end Social Security, Medicare and social programs. What liberals have that scum bag social Darwinists like YOU don't have is...

I'm not a social Darwinist. I actually think we have a moral responsibility, as a society, to care for those who fall through the cracks. I just don't think it's a proper concern of government.

 

[Foxfyre]

This is also a current definition of "Liberal"

A liberal is someone who supports liberalism, which is a political philosophy on the left of the political spectrum. Liberals favor an increase in government spending, power, and control, as in ObamaCare. Most liberals also support the censorship and denial of Christianity because of its strong moral values[1]. Liberals who are a part of the secular left prefer the atheist religion over the Christian faith, as atheism has no objective morality to hinder their big government plans. This lack of an objective morality, or moral relativism, was used as one of the main justifications for crimes against humanity by the Nazis and the Communists, both of whom were liberal. Increasingly, liberals side with the homosexual agenda, including supporting homosexual "marriage". Most[2] liberals favor a welfare state where people receive endless entitlements without working. Liberals are often anti-Christian, or otherwise disagree with moral or social principles held by many American Christians. The liberal ideology has worsened over the years and degenerated into economically unsound views and intolerant ideology. Most liberals simply support, in knee-jerk fashion, the opposite of conservative principles, while lacking an actual ideology or values of their own.
Polling data has consistently shown that a increasingly large percentage of Americans identify as conservative, rather than as liberal, currently by 38% to 21%.[3]
A liberal supports many of the following political positions and practices:

• Spending money on government programs (the significant economic problems in the Eurozone due to government debt will no doubt increasingly discredit this aspect of liberal ideology and make things more difficult for advocates of liberal economic ideologies)
• Denial of science[4] (especially creation science)
• Government's ability to solve economic problems[5]
• The belief that terrorism is not a huge threat, and that the main reason for Muslim extremists' hostility towards America is because of bad foreign policy [6]
• Brainwashing voters with propaganda
• Taxpayer-funded and/or legalized abortion
• Censorship[7]
• Socialism[8]
• Unsuccessful Keynesian economics as opposed to sound free market economics
• Cessation of teacher-led prayer in classrooms and school/state-sponsored religious events.
• Gun control
• Elitism
• Pseudo-intellectualism[9]
• Anti-Americanism
• Affirmative action[10]
• Opposition to government regulation or restriction of obscenity, pornography and violence in video games as a First Amendment right[11]
• Authoritarian government[12]
• Government-funded medical care, such as Obamacare
• Belief in evolution
• Destroying the Christian foundations on which America was built on.
• Taxpayer-funded and government-controlled public education
• Limiting personal freedom[13]. Liberal support for gun control is an example of this.
• High progressive taxes[14] as a form of class warfare against wealthy business owners[15].
• Placement of men and women in the same jobs in the military
• Slowly eroding the U.S. through Progressivism.[16]
• Legalized same-sex marriage and homosexual adoption
• Tax and spend economics
• Rejection of Biblical standards
• Economic sector regulations[17]
• Denial of conservative roles in history. For example, liberals frequently claim[18] that George Washington was a deist when he was actually a devout Episcopalian.
• Spreading of political correctness
• Destroying liberty
• Ending Western morality
• Non-syndicalist labor unions
• Encouraging promiscuity through sexual education (the teaching of safe sex) rather than teaching abstinence from premarital sex[19]
• A "living Constitution" that is reinterpreted as liberals prefer, rather than how it is thought to have been intended.
• Government programs to rehabilitate criminals
• Bestiality as a human right[20]
• Abolition of the death penalty
• Environmentalism[21]
• Globalism
• Constitutionally mandated separation of church and state.
• Opposition to full private property rights.[22]
• Reinstatement of the Fairness Doctrine
• Opposition to domestic wire-tapping as authorized in the Patriot Act
• Regulation of business rather than a laissez-faire capitalist economy
• Opposition to the Constitution. Liberals seek to expand federal power at the expense of local government and silence the conservatives who hold them back, violating the 10th and 1st Amendments respectively.
• Denial of traditional gender roles
• Support of financially irresponsible policies
• Advocating policies which are proven to be incorrect
• Destroying conservative family values and replacing them with immoral Hollywood values, such as drug use, narcissism, and abortion
• Encouragement of global warming alarmism
• Rejection of logical[23] standards
• Persecution of Christianity with deference to other religions, such as Islam.

Liberals currently use two Clauses of the Constitution to try to expand their power: the Commerce Clause and the General Welfare Clause. The General Welfare Clause mentions "promoting the general welfare". This to a liberal means taxing the rich at increased rates and redistributing that money. The Commerce Clause, on the other hand, says that Congress has the power to regulate trade with foreign nations, between the states and with the Indian tribes. Since the days of FDR this Clause has been interpreted very loosely and has resulted in the federal government expanding its power. The latest example is The Affordable Care Act (ACA), better know as Obamacare. In the ACA, the liberals justify the individual mandate by saying it regulates commerce between the states.​

Liberal - Conservapedia

Now admittedly the definitions from conservapedia come from a decidedly conservatively biased point of view while we don't have a clue about the ideology of whomever wrote the Wiki definition.

So the issue is not what a dictionary definition is, but what is meant by the common use of a term. Personally, I would not have included all the content of the Conservapedia definition, but they came a hell of a lot closer to the ideology of the modern American liberal than Wiki did.

Most of us understand the difference between a dictionary definition and how a word is commonly intended and used.,

The libertarian (small "L") will sometimes be at odds with a Libertarian (capital "L"). And a whole lot of Wiki's definition of a libertarian is not something I, a staunch libertarian, can agree with at all.

 

[Pogo]

To Captain-Obvious the above, Foxy, you've brought in a biased source right off the bat.

"Conservopedia"? What do you expect?
If I think I might want to buy a Toyota, should I go ask a Honda dealer what Toyota he recommends? Think about it.

Liberalism is neither "left" nor "right''. Trying to reduce the political spectrum to a two-dimensional plane is unworkable, inefficient and necessarily leads to false conflations.

 

[JoeNormal]

I am a small government libertarian. Here is how I defined it already.

What is a small government libertarian US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

Yet, I'm still regularly called a liberal, a conservative, an anarchist. So what am I? What say you? What are small government libertarians really?

In my experience, most libertarians are young, selfish, sociopathic ingrates who can't seem to see that they were born into a system complete with a functional infrastructure that was provided by the SOCIETY that came before them.

 

[dblack]

I am a small government libertarian. Here is how I defined it already.

What is a small government libertarian US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

Yet, I'm still regularly called a liberal, a conservative, an anarchist. So what am I? What say you? What are small government libertarians really?

In my experience, most libertarians are young, selfish, sociopathic ingrates who can't seem to see that they were born into a system complete with a functional infrastructure that was provided by the SOCIETY that came before them.

A sadly limited experience.

 

[Bfgrn]

This is also a current definition of "Liberal"

A liberal is someone who supports liberalism, which is a political philosophy on the left of the political spectrum. Liberals favor an increase in government spending, power, and control, as in ObamaCare. Most liberals also support the censorship and denial of Christianity because of its strong moral values[1]. Liberals who are a part of the secular left prefer the atheist religion over the Christian faith, as atheism has no objective morality to hinder their big government plans. This lack of an objective morality, or moral relativism, was used as one of the main justifications for crimes against humanity by the Nazis and the Communists, both of whom were liberal. Increasingly, liberals side with the homosexual agenda, including supporting homosexual "marriage". Most[2] liberals favor a welfare state where people receive endless entitlements without working. Liberals are often anti-Christian, or otherwise disagree with moral or social principles held by many American Christians. The liberal ideology has worsened over the years and degenerated into economically unsound views and intolerant ideology. Most liberals simply support, in knee-jerk fashion, the opposite of conservative principles, while lacking an actual ideology or values of their own.
Polling data has consistently shown that a increasingly large percentage of Americans identify as conservative, rather than as liberal, currently by 38% to 21%.[3]
A liberal supports many of the following political positions and practices:

• Spending money on government programs (the significant economic problems in the Eurozone due to government debt will no doubt increasingly discredit this aspect of liberal ideology and make things more difficult for advocates of liberal economic ideologies)
• Denial of science[4] (especially creation science)
• Government's ability to solve economic problems[5]
• The belief that terrorism is not a huge threat, and that the main reason for Muslim extremists' hostility towards America is because of bad foreign policy [6]
• Brainwashing voters with propaganda
• Taxpayer-funded and/or legalized abortion
• Censorship[7]
• Socialism[8]
• Unsuccessful Keynesian economics as opposed to sound free market economics
• Cessation of teacher-led prayer in classrooms and school/state-sponsored religious events.
• Gun control
• Elitism
• Pseudo-intellectualism[9]
• Anti-Americanism
• Affirmative action[10]
• Opposition to government regulation or restriction of obscenity, pornography and violence in video games as a First Amendment right[11]
• Authoritarian government[12]
• Government-funded medical care, such as Obamacare
• Belief in evolution
• Destroying the Christian foundations on which America was built on.
• Taxpayer-funded and government-controlled public education
• Limiting personal freedom[13]. Liberal support for gun control is an example of this.
• High progressive taxes[14] as a form of class warfare against wealthy business owners[15].
• Placement of men and women in the same jobs in the military
• Slowly eroding the U.S. through Progressivism.[16]
• Legalized same-sex marriage and homosexual adoption
• Tax and spend economics
• Rejection of Biblical standards
• Economic sector regulations[17]
• Denial of conservative roles in history. For example, liberals frequently claim[18] that George Washington was a deist when he was actually a devout Episcopalian.
• Spreading of political correctness
• Destroying liberty
• Ending Western morality
• Non-syndicalist labor unions
• Encouraging promiscuity through sexual education (the teaching of safe sex) rather than teaching abstinence from premarital sex[19]
• A "living Constitution" that is reinterpreted as liberals prefer, rather than how it is thought to have been intended.
• Government programs to rehabilitate criminals
• Bestiality as a human right[20]
• Abolition of the death penalty
• Environmentalism[21]
• Globalism
• Constitutionally mandated separation of church and state.
• Opposition to full private property rights.[22]
• Reinstatement of the Fairness Doctrine
• Opposition to domestic wire-tapping as authorized in the Patriot Act
• Regulation of business rather than a laissez-faire capitalist economy
• Opposition to the Constitution. Liberals seek to expand federal power at the expense of local government and silence the conservatives who hold them back, violating the 10th and 1st Amendments respectively.
• Denial of traditional gender roles
• Support of financially irresponsible policies
• Advocating policies which are proven to be incorrect
• Destroying conservative family values and replacing them with immoral Hollywood values, such as drug use, narcissism, and abortion
• Encouragement of global warming alarmism
• Rejection of logical[23] standards
• Persecution of Christianity with deference to other religions, such as Islam.

Liberals currently use two Clauses of the Constitution to try to expand their power: the Commerce Clause and the General Welfare Clause. The General Welfare Clause mentions "promoting the general welfare". This to a liberal means taxing the rich at increased rates and redistributing that money. The Commerce Clause, on the other hand, says that Congress has the power to regulate trade with foreign nations, between the states and with the Indian tribes. Since the days of FDR this Clause has been interpreted very loosely and has resulted in the federal government expanding its power. The latest example is The Affordable Care Act (ACA), better know as Obamacare. In the ACA, the liberals justify the individual mandate by saying it regulates commerce between the states.​

Liberal - Conservapedia

Now admittedly the definitions from conservapedia come from a decidedly conservatively biased point of view while we don't have a clue about the ideology of whomever wrote the Wiki definition.

So the issue is not what a dictionary definition is, but what is meant by the common use of a term. Personally, I would not have included all the content of the Conservapedia definition, but they came a hell of a lot closer to the ideology of the modern American liberal than Wiki did.

Most of us understand the difference between a dictionary definition and how a word is commonly intended and used.,

The libertarian (small "L") will sometimes be at odds with a Libertarian (capital "L"). And a whole lot of Wiki's definition of a libertarian is not something I, a staunch libertarian, can agree with at all.

That is a HUGE pile of right wing dog shit.

 

[Bfgrn]

The ultimate irony is you love to attach liberals to sinister figures like Hitler, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot. Yet those dictators' belief in social Darwinism, survival of the fittest, was the very foundation of their evil.

You should study some history. These leaders weren't social darwinists, and they certainly weren't libertarians. They were, to a man, committed to the idea that strong centralized government was necessary to control people, to make people 'better', to drive them to social perfection. You know, kinda like you do.

YOU are the scum bag who wants to end Social Security, Medicare and social programs. What liberals have that scum bag social Darwinists like YOU don't have is...

I'm not a social Darwinist. I actually think we have a moral responsibility, as a society, to care for those who fall through the cracks. I just don't think it's a proper concern of government.

Of course it is the proper concern of government. PLEASE explain how you would replace Social Security and Medicare? Explain HOW it would work and be managed? The DETAILS...

 

[dblack]

The ultimate irony is you love to attach liberals to sinister figures like Hitler, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot. Yet those dictators' belief in social Darwinism, survival of the fittest, was the very foundation of their evil.

You should study some history. These leaders weren't social darwinists, and they certainly weren't libertarians. They were, to a man, committed to the idea that strong centralized government was necessary to control people, to make people 'better', to drive them to social perfection. You know, kinda like you do.

YOU are the scum bag who wants to end Social Security, Medicare and social programs. What liberals have that scum bag social Darwinists like YOU don't have is...

I'm not a social Darwinist. I actually think we have a moral responsibility, as a society, to care for those who fall through the cracks. I just don't think it's a proper concern of government.

Of course it is the proper concern of government. PLEASE explain how you would replace Social Security and Medicare? Explain HOW it would work and be managed? The DETAILS...

I wouldn't.

 

[Bfgrn]

The ultimate irony is you love to attach liberals to sinister figures like Hitler, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot. Yet those dictators' belief in social Darwinism, survival of the fittest, was the very foundation of their evil.

You should study some history. These leaders weren't social darwinists, and they certainly weren't libertarians. They were, to a man, committed to the idea that strong centralized government was necessary to control people, to make people 'better', to drive them to social perfection. You know, kinda like you do.

YOU are the scum bag who wants to end Social Security, Medicare and social programs. What liberals have that scum bag social Darwinists like YOU don't have is...

I'm not a social Darwinist. I actually think we have a moral responsibility, as a society, to care for those who fall through the cracks. I just don't think it's a proper concern of government.

Of course it is the proper concern of government. PLEASE explain how you would replace Social Security and Medicare? Explain HOW it would work and be managed? The DETAILS...

I wouldn't.

SO, you would let old people fend for themselves. THAT IS social Darwinism.

 

[Mac1958]

.

Pure Libertarian ideas just aren't workable or reasonable at a macro level, and the influx of libertarianism into the GOP has caused the party quite a bit of damage by introducing so much libertarian absolutism into widespread political thought and debate.

That said, I used to like having them around as a reminder that we can't stray too far from the power and benefits of individualism. Right now, though, the reminder is a little too loud.

.

 

[Bfgrn]

This is also a current definition of "Liberal"

A liberal is someone who supports liberalism, which is a political philosophy on the left of the political spectrum. Liberals favor an increase in government spending, power, and control, as in ObamaCare. Most liberals also support the censorship and denial of Christianity because of its strong moral values[1]. Liberals who are a part of the secular left prefer the atheist religion over the Christian faith, as atheism has no objective morality to hinder their big government plans. This lack of an objective morality, or moral relativism, was used as one of the main justifications for crimes against humanity by the Nazis and the Communists, both of whom were liberal. Increasingly, liberals side with the homosexual agenda, including supporting homosexual "marriage". Most[2] liberals favor a welfare state where people receive endless entitlements without working. Liberals are often anti-Christian, or otherwise disagree with moral or social principles held by many American Christians. The liberal ideology has worsened over the years and degenerated into economically unsound views and intolerant ideology. Most liberals simply support, in knee-jerk fashion, the opposite of conservative principles, while lacking an actual ideology or values of their own.
Polling data has consistently shown that a increasingly large percentage of Americans identify as conservative, rather than as liberal, currently by 38% to 21%.[3]
A liberal supports many of the following political positions and practices:

• Spending money on government programs (the significant economic problems in the Eurozone due to government debt will no doubt increasingly discredit this aspect of liberal ideology and make things more difficult for advocates of liberal economic ideologies)
• Denial of science[4] (especially creation science)
• Government's ability to solve economic problems[5]
• The belief that terrorism is not a huge threat, and that the main reason for Muslim extremists' hostility towards America is because of bad foreign policy [6]
• Brainwashing voters with propaganda
• Taxpayer-funded and/or legalized abortion
• Censorship[7]
• Socialism[8]
• Unsuccessful Keynesian economics as opposed to sound free market economics
• Cessation of teacher-led prayer in classrooms and school/state-sponsored religious events.
• Gun control
• Elitism
• Pseudo-intellectualism[9]
• Anti-Americanism
• Affirmative action[10]
• Opposition to government regulation or restriction of obscenity, pornography and violence in video games as a First Amendment right[11]
• Authoritarian government[12]
• Government-funded medical care, such as Obamacare
• Belief in evolution
• Destroying the Christian foundations on which America was built on.
• Taxpayer-funded and government-controlled public education
• Limiting personal freedom[13]. Liberal support for gun control is an example of this.
• High progressive taxes[14] as a form of class warfare against wealthy business owners[15].
• Placement of men and women in the same jobs in the military
• Slowly eroding the U.S. through Progressivism.[16]
• Legalized same-sex marriage and homosexual adoption
• Tax and spend economics
• Rejection of Biblical standards
• Economic sector regulations[17]
• Denial of conservative roles in history. For example, liberals frequently claim[18] that George Washington was a deist when he was actually a devout Episcopalian.
• Spreading of political correctness
• Destroying liberty
• Ending Western morality
• Non-syndicalist labor unions
• Encouraging promiscuity through sexual education (the teaching of safe sex) rather than teaching abstinence from premarital sex[19]
• A "living Constitution" that is reinterpreted as liberals prefer, rather than how it is thought to have been intended.
• Government programs to rehabilitate criminals
• Bestiality as a human right[20]
• Abolition of the death penalty
• Environmentalism[21]
• Globalism
• Constitutionally mandated separation of church and state.
• Opposition to full private property rights.[22]
• Reinstatement of the Fairness Doctrine
• Opposition to domestic wire-tapping as authorized in the Patriot Act
• Regulation of business rather than a laissez-faire capitalist economy
• Opposition to the Constitution. Liberals seek to expand federal power at the expense of local government and silence the conservatives who hold them back, violating the 10th and 1st Amendments respectively.
• Denial of traditional gender roles
• Support of financially irresponsible policies
• Advocating policies which are proven to be incorrect
• Destroying conservative family values and replacing them with immoral Hollywood values, such as drug use, narcissism, and abortion
• Encouragement of global warming alarmism
• Rejection of logical[23] standards
• Persecution of Christianity with deference to other religions, such as Islam.

Liberals currently use two Clauses of the Constitution to try to expand their power: the Commerce Clause and the General Welfare Clause. The General Welfare Clause mentions "promoting the general welfare". This to a liberal means taxing the rich at increased rates and redistributing that money. The Commerce Clause, on the other hand, says that Congress has the power to regulate trade with foreign nations, between the states and with the Indian tribes. Since the days of FDR this Clause has been interpreted very loosely and has resulted in the federal government expanding its power. The latest example is The Affordable Care Act (ACA), better know as Obamacare. In the ACA, the liberals justify the individual mandate by saying it regulates commerce between the states.​

Liberal - Conservapedia

Now admittedly the definitions from conservapedia come from a decidedly conservatively biased point of view while we don't have a clue about the ideology of whomever wrote the Wiki definition.

So the issue is not what a dictionary definition is, but what is meant by the common use of a term. Personally, I would not have included all the content of the Conservapedia definition, but they came a hell of a lot closer to the ideology of the modern American liberal than Wiki did.

Most of us understand the difference between a dictionary definition and how a word is commonly intended and used.,

The libertarian (small "L") will sometimes be at odds with a Libertarian (capital "L"). And a whole lot of Wiki's definition of a libertarian is not something I, a staunch libertarian, can agree with at all.

A FUCKING retard wrote this piece of shit. Only a MORON would post this.