What do conservatives support?

[Borillar]

I've argued many times that conservatives are defined on what they oppose (gay marriage, taxes, change, the ERA, sex ed in school, abortion, free contraceptives, labor unions, the UN, democracy,
Affirmative Action/consent decrees, gun control, FEMA, the PPACA, Climate Change, a Government too large , (how large is too large for a nation of 300 + million?), public school teachers and other government employees - until they need them.

I've also posted the 14 points of Fascism, which, when applied to the statements / rhetoric of Trump are enlightening, and should IMO give pause to those opposed to an authoritarian federal government when considering a vote for the Republikan nominees. We don't need a Big Brother

Fourteen Defining Characteristics Of Fascism

Keep these sage comments i mind when in the voting booth:

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
MARTIN NIEMÖLLER

What do they support? Money and power. All else is window dressing.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Trump is a demagogue, a charlatan and a bully. Those are facts anyone with average intelligence and even a rudimentary knowledge of world history fully understands.

The liberal and progressive mind is not dogged in dogma, as the post above #244) states we are - no one that I am aware of has tossed a liberal or a progressive under the bus as LINO or a PINO; only the right wing has decided that those who disagree with the dogma are RINO's.

The Left's constant panic mongering with regard to Trump, that you are completely supporting,


is an appeal to emotion, especially negative emotion, which is the defining hallmark of demagoguery.

"The Left's"? LOL, how many former Republican's have characterized Trump as dangerous? Your use of The Left is disingenuous at best.

So, because Jeb Bush agrees with you that makes it cool?


Simple Definition of demagogue

• : a political leader who tries to get support by making false claims and promises and using arguments based on emotion rather than reason

YOu are panic mongering. HIllary is panic mongering.

Fear is an emotion.

Your claims are certainly NOT reasonable, as I have repeated pointed out.


You are the Demagogue here.

If you don't hear Trump's false claims and silly promises you are not a sagacious thinker.

I pretty obviously was focusing on yours and Hillary's panic mongering. You have proved my accusation on that with nearly every post of yours in this thread, so I can see why you did not try to deny it.

Your assumption that because I disagree with you, that I am a poor thinker, is just you being a standard close minded lib. Again.

His promise to build a wall and make Mexico pay for it is absurd;

What do you base that "conclusion" on?

his promise to round up and deport 11 million undocumented immigrants is absurd

We catch and deport large numbers of illegals all the time. If we seal the border, and stop giving them jobs, to make it harder and less rewarding to return, it can be done.

and would be way too expensive;

Our federal budget is pushing FOUR TRILLION DOLLARS. And now suddenly you're concerned about costs? LOL!!!

his promise to make America great again is nebulous at best;

If his trade and immigration policies have the effect on Working Class and Middle CLass incomes that I expect, that would fit my vision of "Great Again".

his promises to reduce the debt and cut taxes

I don't believe that ANYONE can address our budget issues in the context of a Democratic Modern State with a Greying population.

Imo, it is a fundamental flaw of the First World model.

while spending big bucks to hire Administrative Law Judges, Deputy US Attorney's; US Marshall's to find them and Defense Attorny's to represent them; pay for Detention Facilities to house those detained, secure Court Rooms to provide for Due Process, and medical care, food, clothing and shelter for the accused dependents is beyond absurd.

You post "finding illegals" like it will be hard. When you have a population of ELEVEN MILLION people, you will not be able to AVOID them.

You act as though we will be looking for specific illegals.

Perhaps if/when the population of illegals gets down to the hundreds of thousands, it might start to get a little harder.

We can cross that bridge when we come to it.

Only fools believe he can do any of these things.

Only assholes think that stating something strongly and being insulting while they do it, is a supporting argument.

Trump fails to understand the limits to the office to which he aspires, his flips and flops even occur in mid-sentence; he reads what his handlers write, and then goes off on an emotional rant. Only fools will vote for this charlatan, demagogue and bully.

Trump is a Ivy League Graduate who has succeeded in THREE very competitive fields.

Your belief system that he does not understand something that you understand, is probably wrong.


He is operating on a level of persuasion and communication that you can't even see.

And you have repeatedly demonstrated that YOU and Hillary are the Demagogues here.

And your constant verbal insults? If you have a problem with bullies, you might want to consider if you really want to engage in constant verbal abuse.

I graduated from CAL and I have an advanced degree from SF St. U. Trump is able to use emotion to persuade fools that what he promises and proposes is doable. Fools believe him; rational and knowledgeable people understand what he promises cannot be accomplished, and his stump speech is classic demagoguery by a charlatan.

This is a message board & is used by everyone to post opinions, and for my part to at least try to get fools to think. It doesn't always work, you are a prime example; that is not meant as an insult, it is a statement of fact.

 

[Correll]

I've argued many times that conservatives are defined on what they oppose (gay marriage, taxes, change, the ERA, sex ed in school, abortion, free contraceptives, labor unions, the UN, democracy,
Affirmative Action/consent decrees, gun control, FEMA, the PPACA, Climate Change, a Government too large , (how large is too large for a nation of 300 + million?), public school teachers and other government employees - until they need them.

I've also posted the 14 points of Fascism, which, when applied to the statements / rhetoric of Trump are enlightening, and should IMO give pause to those opposed to an authoritarian federal government when considering a vote for the Republikan nominees. We don't need a Big Brother

Fourteen Defining Characteristics Of Fascism

Keep these sage comments i mind when in the voting booth:

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
MARTIN NIEMÖLLER

What do they support? Money and power. All else is window dressing.

THat's why the Rich are supporting HIllary.


LOL!!!!

 

[Wry Catcher]

I've argued many times that conservatives are defined on what they oppose (gay marriage, taxes, change, the ERA, sex ed in school, abortion, free contraceptives, labor unions, the UN, democracy,
Affirmative Action/consent decrees, gun control, FEMA, the PPACA, Climate Change, a Government too large , (how large is too large for a nation of 300 + million?), public school teachers and other government employees - until they need them.

I've also posted the 14 points of Fascism, which, when applied to the statements / rhetoric of Trump are enlightening, and should IMO give pause to those opposed to an authoritarian federal government when considering a vote for the Republikan nominees. We don't need a Big Brother

Fourteen Defining Characteristics Of Fascism

Keep these sage comments i mind when in the voting booth:

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
MARTIN NIEMÖLLER

What do they support? Money and power. All else is window dressing.

THat's why the Rich are supporting HIllary.


LOL!!!!

Wrong. Most very wealthy people, Trump excluded, are bright and well educated. Bright and well educated people see past the demagoguery and see the real Donald Trump, a bully and a charlatan.

 

[Uncensored2008]

I've argued many times that conservatives are defined on what they oppose (gay marriage, taxes, change, the ERA, sex ed in school, abortion, free contraceptives, labor unions, the UN, democracy,
Affirmative Action/consent decrees, gun control, FEMA, the PPACA, Climate Change, a Government too large , (how large is too large for a nation of 300 + million?), public school teachers and other government employees - until they need them.

I've also posted the 14 points of Fascism, which, when applied to the statements / rhetoric of Trump are enlightening, and should IMO give pause to those opposed to an authoritarian federal government when considering a vote for the Republikan nominees. We don't need a Big Brother

Fourteen Defining Characteristics Of Fascism

Keep these sage comments i mind when in the voting booth:

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
MARTIN NIEMÖLLER

Oh look, the Communist demagogues are calling Conservatives "Fascist" again.

Big Lie time!

 

[Correll]

The Left's constant panic mongering with regard to Trump, that you are completely supporting,


is an appeal to emotion, especially negative emotion, which is the defining hallmark of demagoguery.

"The Left's"? LOL, how many former Republican's have characterized Trump as dangerous? Your use of The Left is disingenuous at best.

So, because Jeb Bush agrees with you that makes it cool?


Simple Definition of demagogue

• : a political leader who tries to get support by making false claims and promises and using arguments based on emotion rather than reason

YOu are panic mongering. HIllary is panic mongering.

Fear is an emotion.

Your claims are certainly NOT reasonable, as I have repeated pointed out.


You are the Demagogue here.

If you don't hear Trump's false claims and silly promises you are not a sagacious thinker.

I pretty obviously was focusing on yours and Hillary's panic mongering. You have proved my accusation on that with nearly every post of yours in this thread, so I can see why you did not try to deny it.

Your assumption that because I disagree with you, that I am a poor thinker, is just you being a standard close minded lib. Again.

His promise to build a wall and make Mexico pay for it is absurd;

What do you base that "conclusion" on?

his promise to round up and deport 11 million undocumented immigrants is absurd

We catch and deport large numbers of illegals all the time. If we seal the border, and stop giving them jobs, to make it harder and less rewarding to return, it can be done.

and would be way too expensive;

Our federal budget is pushing FOUR TRILLION DOLLARS. And now suddenly you're concerned about costs? LOL!!!

his promise to make America great again is nebulous at best;

If his trade and immigration policies have the effect on Working Class and Middle CLass incomes that I expect, that would fit my vision of "Great Again".

his promises to reduce the debt and cut taxes

I don't believe that ANYONE can address our budget issues in the context of a Democratic Modern State with a Greying population.

Imo, it is a fundamental flaw of the First World model.

while spending big bucks to hire Administrative Law Judges, Deputy US Attorney's; US Marshall's to find them and Defense Attorny's to represent them; pay for Detention Facilities to house those detained, secure Court Rooms to provide for Due Process, and medical care, food, clothing and shelter for the accused dependents is beyond absurd.

You post "finding illegals" like it will be hard. When you have a population of ELEVEN MILLION people, you will not be able to AVOID them.

You act as though we will be looking for specific illegals.

Perhaps if/when the population of illegals gets down to the hundreds of thousands, it might start to get a little harder.

We can cross that bridge when we come to it.

Only fools believe he can do any of these things.

Only assholes think that stating something strongly and being insulting while they do it, is a supporting argument.

Trump fails to understand the limits to the office to which he aspires, his flips and flops even occur in mid-sentence; he reads what his handlers write, and then goes off on an emotional rant. Only fools will vote for this charlatan, demagogue and bully.

Trump is a Ivy League Graduate who has succeeded in THREE very competitive fields.

Your belief system that he does not understand something that you understand, is probably wrong.


He is operating on a level of persuasion and communication that you can't even see.

And you have repeatedly demonstrated that YOU and Hillary are the Demagogues here.

And your constant verbal insults? If you have a problem with bullies, you might want to consider if you really want to engage in constant verbal abuse.

I graduated from CAL and I have an advanced degree from SF St. U. Trump is able to use emotion to persuade fools that what he promises and proposes is doable. Fools believe him; rational and knowledgeable people understand what he promises cannot be accomplished and his stump speech is classic demagoguery by a charlatan.

This is a message board is used by everyone to post opinions, and for my part to at least try to get fools to think. It doesn't always work, you are a prime example; that is not meant as an insult, it is a statement of fact.

The difference is that Trump isn't watching you while you work, in a field he has no experience in, telling others how you are stupid.


YOu are the one playing that game.


You are the demagogue here, with your panic mongering.



I note that you dropped your complaint about him being a "bully". I guess you couldn't bring yourself to give up the constant insults and slurs.



You are the one that is not thinking.


You continue to judge others based on the assumption that your world view is the only possible one.


Note the way you finish with a strong claim that a statement that is obviously your opinion is a "fact".


Once again all that demonstrates is your closed mind.

 

[Correll]

I've argued many times that conservatives are defined on what they oppose (gay marriage, taxes, change, the ERA, sex ed in school, abortion, free contraceptives, labor unions, the UN, democracy,
Affirmative Action/consent decrees, gun control, FEMA, the PPACA, Climate Change, a Government too large , (how large is too large for a nation of 300 + million?), public school teachers and other government employees - until they need them.

I've also posted the 14 points of Fascism, which, when applied to the statements / rhetoric of Trump are enlightening, and should IMO give pause to those opposed to an authoritarian federal government when considering a vote for the Republikan nominees. We don't need a Big Brother

Fourteen Defining Characteristics Of Fascism

Keep these sage comments i mind when in the voting booth:

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
MARTIN NIEMÖLLER

What do they support? Money and power. All else is window dressing.

THat's why the Rich are supporting HIllary.


LOL!!!!

Wrong. Most very wealthy people, Trump excluded, are bright and well educated. Bright and well educated people see past the demagoguery and see the real Donald Trump, a bully and a charlatan.

Very wealthy people have adjusted to the Free Trade Economy we have and have been doing well in it.


The Working CLass and Middle Class, have not. They have been suffering under this policy, badly for a long, long time.


Life Expectancy for White Americans Declines



"There have been signs for years that health and socioeconomic problems might be chipping away at improvements in longevity for parts of the U.S. population. In 2008, the IHME reported that life expectancy had stagnated or declined for about 4% of men and 19% of women in the U.S. in the 1980s and 1990s. The report cited diseases related to smoking, high blood pressure and obesity as contributors and noted wide disparities in life expectancy between poor and wealthy U.S. counties.

Now, deaths from suicide, drug overdoses and similar causes appear to be playing a bigger role. Research published in November showed that white middle-aged Americans—both men and women—have been dying at a rising rate since the beginning of this century, due in large part to suicide, alcohol abuse and chronic liver diseases. "



So, the more rational explanation is that Trump's policies are designed to serve the interests of the Working Class and Middle Class Americans, while Hillary's is better for the rich.





And you are the one behaving like a Demagogue here. Just like your girl HIllary is the campaign.

 

[Uncensored2008]

[


I graduated from CAL and I have an advanced degree from SF St. U. Trump is able to use emotion to persuade fools that what he promises and proposes is doable. Fools believe him; rational and knowledgeable people understand what he promises cannot be accomplished, and his stump speech is classic demagoguery by a charlatan.

This is a message board & is used by everyone to post opinions, and for my part to at least try to get fools to think. It doesn't always work, you are a prime example; that is not meant as an insult, it is a statement of fact.

CAL?

The "Corrections dept. Alabama?"



If you went to Berkley, I assume you majored in ethnic studies?

Hey, my good friend Bil Stunbmun went to Berkley; this is what he wrote about his experience.

________________________________________________


I always did well in school, learning early that the key to success was to recite precisely what the teachers instructed us in without fumbling around with concepts. While other kids were concerned with things like the Apollo program, I wrote on the glories of Sputnik, which made me the darling of the public schools. The teachers would marvel at the array of Che Guevera shirts I wore, further endearing me to them. It didn’t hurt that I would share some of Loof’s crops with the teachers, either. I was well adjusted and got along well with my peers. They would always reserve a spot under the bleachers for me at break and lunch time. I shared Loof’s crops with my fellow students too.

After high school I was admitted to the University of California at Berkley. I was the first kid in California history to get into Berkley with SAT’s under 700. It turns out that the THC score is more important than SAT’s.

I knew that I wanted my education to be meaningful; something vital to the entire world. So naturally I majored in the migration patterns of Peruvian Sea Cucumbers; eventually earning a PhD. in this important field of study. I honestly believe that few endeavors would have served my goals as thoroughly as the study of Sea Slugs. Since Sea Cucumbers only move a couple of inches a month, this field left me sufficient time to achieve enlightenment with the professors of Berkley. Dr. Tim was just the best. He held classes, with full credit, on the San Francisco pier which consisted of nothing more than eating sugar cubes. Dr. Tim said the sugar cubes were reality and the rest of the world was an illusion. Dr. Tim was on the board evaluating my doctoral dissertation, which is a good thing because I don’t think other professors would understand how I could observe Technicolor slug trails of Peruvian Sea Cucumbers from a pier in San Francisco. Dr. Tim just said; “groovy, man” and then ate another sugar cube. Dr. Tim definitely saw trails.

 

[bripat9643]

You have no clue. There is no singular definition for 'conservatism'; a 21st Century self defined conservative is unlike conservatives in other decades / ERA's.

From my above excerpt.


"American Conservatism is a broad system of political beliefs "


You are seizing on the variation, and recent changes to pretend that they has been some massive sea change in Conservatism, which you then try to conflate with Fascism.



It is complete nonsense.


Here is the answer for you, that you are running away from so that you can insist that there is no answer, so that you can lie and smear your present day enemies.


"respect for American traditions, support for Judeo-Christian values, economic liberalism, anti-communism, advocacy of American exceptionalism and a defense of Western culture from perceived threats posed by creeping socialism, moral relativism, multiculturalism, and liberal internationalism. Liberty is a core value, with a particular emphasis on strengthening the free market, limiting the size and scope of government, and opposition to high taxes and to government or labor union encroachment on the entrepreneur. American conservatives consider individual liberty, within the bounds of conformity to American values as the fundamental trait of democracy, which contrasts with modern American liberals, who generally place a greater value on equality and social justice."




Trump's anti-immigration stance fits the opposition to Multiculturalism.

Many conservatives have argued that Trump is trying to WEAKEN the Free Market, but I point out that the Free Market Policies have NOT delivered their promised results. The reason for that could be hidden barriers to trade slanted against US.


Trump can be seen to be "anti-communist" in his desire to cease confrontation with now non-communist Russia.


Trump is more of a Nationalist than a Conservative, but your panic mongering about Fascism is nothing but partisan slander.

Wry Catcher knows where he stands, as do most liberals, and it unnerves him that we know too....

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Trump is a demagogue, a charlatan and a bully. Those are facts anyone with average intelligence and even a rudimentary knowledge of world history fully understands.

The liberal and progressive mind is not dogged in dogma, as the post above #244) states we are - no one that I am aware of has tossed a liberal or a progressive under the bus as LINO or a PINO; only the right wing has decided that those who disagree with the dogma are RINO's.

The Left's constant panic mongering with regard to Trump, that you are completely supporting,


is an appeal to emotion, especially negative emotion, which is the defining hallmark of demagoguery.

"The Left's"? LOL, how many former Republican's have characterized Trump as dangerous? Your use of The Left is disingenuous at best.

They may be Republicans, but they are bootlicking worshippers of government, just like you.

 

[Wry Catcher]

[


I graduated from CAL and I have an advanced degree from SF St. U. Trump is able to use emotion to persuade fools that what he promises and proposes is doable. Fools believe him; rational and knowledgeable people understand what he promises cannot be accomplished, and his stump speech is classic demagoguery by a charlatan.

This is a message board & is used by everyone to post opinions, and for my part to at least try to get fools to think. It doesn't always work, you are a prime example; that is not meant as an insult, it is a statement of fact.

CAL?

The "Corrections dept. Alabama?"



If you went to Berkley, I assume you majored in ethnic studies?

Hey, my good friend Bil Stunbmun went to Berkley; this is what he wrote about his experience.

________________________________________________


I always did well in school, learning early that the key to success was to recite precisely what the teachers instructed us in without fumbling around with concepts. While other kids were concerned with things like the Apollo program, I wrote on the glories of Sputnik, which made me the darling of the public schools. The teachers would marvel at the array of Che Guevera shirts I wore, further endearing me to them. It didn’t hurt that I would share some of Loof’s crops with the teachers, either. I was well adjusted and got along well with my peers. They would always reserve a spot under the bleachers for me at break and lunch time. I shared Loof’s crops with my fellow students too.

After high school I was admitted to the University of California at Berkley. I was the first kid in California history to get into Berkley with SAT’s under 700. It turns out that the THC score is more important than SAT’s.

I knew that I wanted my education to be meaningful; something vital to the entire world. So naturally I majored in the migration patterns of Peruvian Sea Cucumbers; eventually earning a PhD. in this important field of study. I honestly believe that few endeavors would have served my goals as thoroughly as the study of Sea Slugs. Since Sea Cucumbers only move a couple of inches a month, this field left me sufficient time to achieve enlightenment with the professors of Berkley. Dr. Tim was just the best. He held classes, with full credit, on the San Francisco pier which consisted of nothing more than eating sugar cubes. Dr. Tim said the sugar cubes were reality and the rest of the world was an illusion. Dr. Tim was on the board evaluating my doctoral dissertation, which is a good thing because I don’t think other professors would understand how I could observe Technicolor slug trails of Peruvian Sea Cucumbers from a pier in San Francisco. Dr. Tim just said; “groovy, man” and then ate another sugar cube. Dr. Tim definitely saw trails.

It's Berkeley, not Berkley and the closest your mythical friend got to the campus was sitting on a bench on Telegraph Ave, stoned to the bone.

 

[Uncensored2008]

It's Berkeley, not Berkley and the closest your mythical friend got to the campus was sitting on a bench on Telegraph Ave, stoned to the bone.

Nonsense, Bil Stunbmun is a legend at Berkeley.

____________________________________________________________________


The Sandinista support club at Berkeley was huge. Besides virtually all the faculty, there were some students in the club too. And the rallies were often more than just an excuse to get together to eat Dr. Tim’s sugar cubes and consume Loof’s crops; the way most faculty staff meetings were, this was real activism. The dream was starting to come true for many of the Berkeley professors; a workers’ paradise in North America. Hopes were almost as high as the average professor.

I almost went to Nicaragua with the club. A group of the students who were enrolled in Native American studies were planning to go down to help Comrade Ortega round up the defiant Mosquito Indians who refused to join the collective farms established by the Sandinista liberators. These students knew that nothing teaches the plight of Native Americans as much as rounding up and killing Indians; if they missed their chance with Ortega, they’d probably never get another one. I would have gone, but there was talk of working at one of the collective farms, which wasn’t appealing.

So I stayed at Berkeley and continued my education. After my 7th year at Berkeley, some of the administration started making noises about me graduating. I couldn’t imagine anything worse. I had no idea where I would go or what I would do if I graduated. I had chosen my major carefully and wisely, so there was little danger of actual employment. There are few help wanted ads for studying the migration patterns of Peruvian Sea Cucumbers. To distract from the looming danger of graduation and the loss of federal grant and aid, I buried myself in working for the Sandinistas and the expansion of workers ideals in all of Central America.

 

[Wry Catcher]

It's Berkeley, not Berkley and the closest your mythical friend got to the campus was sitting on a bench on Telegraph Ave, stoned to the bone.

Nonsense, Bil Stunbmun is a legend at Berkeley.

____________________________________________________________________


The Sandinista support club at Berkeley was huge. Besides virtually all the faculty, there were some students in the club too. And the rallies were often more than just an excuse to get together to eat Dr. Tim’s sugar cubes and consume Loof’s crops; the way most faculty staff meetings were, this was real activism. The dream was starting to come true for many of the Berkeley professors; a workers’ paradise in North America. Hopes were almost as high as the average professor.

I almost went to Nicaragua with the club. A group of the students who were enrolled in Native American studies were planning to go down to help Comrade Ortega round up the defiant Mosquito Indians who refused to join the collective farms established by the Sandinista liberators. These students knew that nothing teaches the plight of Native Americans as much as rounding up and killing Indians; if they missed their chance with Ortega, they’d probably never get another one. I would have gone, but there was talk of working at one of the collective farms, which wasn’t appealing.

So I stayed at Berkeley and continued my education. After my 7th year at Berkeley, some of the administration started making noises about me graduating. I couldn’t imagine anything worse. I had no idea where I would go or what I would do if I graduated. I had chosen my major carefully and wisely, so there was little danger of actual employment. There are few help wanted ads for studying the migration patterns of Peruvian Sea Cucumbers. To distract from the looming danger of graduation and the loss of federal grant and aid, I buried myself in working for the Sandinistas and the expansion of workers ideals in all of Central America.

I've done my best, you now know how to spell Berkeley. Congrats, it seems you can learn, something I never suspected.

 

[P@triot]

Conservatives support Traditions, Values and the Rule of Law. The concepts of Law and Order along with Personal Responsibility are essential to Conservative ideology. A place for everyone, and everyone in their place.

So a rigid and highly stratified class system just like the ones many of our ancestors fled Europe to escape. Brilliant!

You continue to make the most outrageous claims without a single link to back up your posts. What proof do you have that Europe had that system? What proof do you have that the people fled for that reason? What proof do you have that conservatives hold that ideology (one anonymous poster on USMB doesn't speak for all conservatives and very well could be a progressive posing as a conservative like rightwinger tried doing). And...if you do have proof to all of this...why aren't you posting the links?

 

[P@triot]

I've argued many times that conservatives are defined on what they oppose...

What do conservatives support? The U.S. Constitution. The question is - why don't you and your progressive pals?

 

[P@triot]

I've argued many times that conservatives are defined on what they oppose...

We know. And each time it's made you look dumber than a rock.

 

[Anathema]

..... And...if you do have proof to all of this...why aren't you posting the links?

I'm not here to change your mind on anything. I don't engage in debate, only discyssion. My point in being here is solely to ensure you cannot claim ignorance when your Soul is judged.

 

[Iceweasel]

You have no clue. There is no singular definition for 'conservatism'; a 21st Century self defined conservative is unlike conservatives in other decades / ERA's.

You have a computer and internet access but don't know how to find things you don't already believe. That's clueless. Politically speaking it just means:

conservative
adj.
1. disposed to preserve existing conditions, institutions, etc., or to restore traditional ones, and to limitchange.
2. cautiously moderate: a conservative estimate.

It's always meant the same thing, you are so wed to your political religion of liberalism that everything must be processed through it.

Conservatives are people that hold those values. We believe in looking before you leap, don't fix it if it isn't broken. Change what needs to be changed, not just because you can.

The issues may change over time and no two conservatives agree on the exact same solutions for everything. We all bring life experiences to the table. I see much less individualism on the left. You get told what to think, directly and indirectly. You succumb to peer pressure, propaganda and are easily manipulated via emotional appeal.

 

[Iceweasel]

I've argued many times that conservatives are defined on what they oppose (gay marriage, taxes, change, the ERA, sex ed in school, abortion, free contraceptives, labor unions, the UN, democracy,
Affirmative Action/consent decrees, gun control, FEMA, the PPACA, Climate Change, a Government too large , (how large is too large for a nation of 300 + million?), public school teachers and other government employees - until they need them.

I've also posted the 14 points of Fascism, which, when applied to the statements / rhetoric of Trump are enlightening, and should IMO give pause to those opposed to an authoritarian federal government when considering a vote for the Republikan nominees. We don't need a Big Brother

Fourteen Defining Characteristics Of Fascism

Keep these sage comments i mind when in the voting booth:

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
MARTIN NIEMÖLLER

Wrong libtard. As ALWAYS. What you fail to comprehend is that that is how the left defines conservatives, it's not what conservatives think at all. You're a smear monger, hater and highly intolerant of those unwilling to chase your utopian daydreams with you.

 

[Wry Catcher]

I've argued many times that conservatives are defined on what they oppose...

We know. And each time it's made you look dumber than a rock.

Your rancor is obvious, who or what made you into the hateful, arrogant and worthless piece of shit you have become? Somewhere along your lifeline, something happened making you the callous and pathological liar you are today.

 

[Wry Catcher]

I've argued many times that conservatives are defined on what they oppose (gay marriage, taxes, change, the ERA, sex ed in school, abortion, free contraceptives, labor unions, the UN, democracy,
Affirmative Action/consent decrees, gun control, FEMA, the PPACA, Climate Change, a Government too large , (how large is too large for a nation of 300 + million?), public school teachers and other government employees - until they need them.

I've also posted the 14 points of Fascism, which, when applied to the statements / rhetoric of Trump are enlightening, and should IMO give pause to those opposed to an authoritarian federal government when considering a vote for the Republikan nominees. We don't need a Big Brother

Fourteen Defining Characteristics Of Fascism

Keep these sage comments i mind when in the voting booth:

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
MARTIN NIEMÖLLER

Wrong libtard. As ALWAYS. What you fail to comprehend is that that is how the left defines conservatives, it's not what conservatives think at all. You're a smear monger, hater and highly intolerant of those unwilling to chase your utopian daydreams with you.

If you are an example of a conservative, you are the best example of a conservative who does not think. The root word, conserve, does not apply to the 21st iteration of the word. Your kind opposes science and the evidence that human beings can and do have a negative effect on the earth's ecosystems.

Not because the science is fraudulent, but because you have been told via propaganda funded by polluters and those who profit by polluting that human activity is a fraud.

In the 60's I spent some time hiking the trails in the Marble Mt Wilderness area. Water filled my canteen and was sweet and healthful. Today, due to primarily humans, such an act can become a horrible experience:

http://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/fsm9_008284.pdf

Just one example of humanity having a negative impact on our planet.