What do liberals want the US to be?

[Menerva Lindsen]

It is hard to find a normal and serious american patriot now. Liberals taught us how to marry homosexuals and smoke weed. They are yelling about human rights but neglect a human dignity. Liberal America is awful.

 

[Ame®icano]

A place where even people without exceptional skills can still achieve the "American Dream".

We have plenty of those... we call them gold-diggers.

 

[Ame®icano]

It helped those who were never given an opportunity to fill management or Complex jobs. In a society where blacks were only allowed menial jobs and women were only allowed subservient jobs, affirmative action was necessary
Affirmative action worked

Why should one race be given special consideration to fill an opportunity over another even though they're LESS QUALIFIED?

Are you saying blacks are too STUPID to compete on a level playing field?

How in the FUCK did obama ever become president?

Good question

Let's look at the society that existed in the 60s
White males possessed all the leadership positions and skilled positions. They claimed it was because they were best qualified. Blacks were best suited for menial labor and women could be secretaries and nurses.
In deciding who was best qualified for a managerial position, white male executives universally decided that white males were best suited for managerial positions. After all, they had never seen a woman or a black in that position
Affirmative action gave women and minorities a chance to fill skilled positions and they proved they were able to handle it
Thank affirmative action if your wife or daughter is able to get a position that is not teacher, secretary, nurse or cashier

how did affirmative action help the following: Herman Cain, Thomas Sowell, Beyonce, Bill Cosby, Sammy Davis Jr, Whitney Houston, MLK jr, obama, Oprah.

you are wrong jake, those people succeeded because of their talents, skills, and hard work.

Good list

All have been helped by affirmative action. There was a time when black entertainers were relegated to the roles of servants and shuffling fools.

Cosby, Sammy Davis and later Whitney and Oprah benefitted from changing morals that allowed them to be looked at as real people and not stereotypes

bullshit, they were successful because they had talents, not because of the AA laws. Yes, societal change had something to do with it, but not one of the people I listed were helped by AA laws.

So basically you're saying, all those that were helped with AA, didn't have talent to begin with.

 

[Ame®icano]

this is a serious question, please only reply with serious comments.

what specifically do liberals want the US to become?
Tell us exactly what you want changed, and why.

Equality.

If my income is taxed at 17%, all income should be taxed at 17% whether it is dividend income or whatever.

Whether is dividend income or whatever... cool. I agree.

Whether is 30K or 30M or whatever.

 

[RKMBrown]

this is a serious question, please only reply with serious comments.

what specifically do liberals want the US to become?
Tell us exactly what you want changed, and why.

Equality.

If my income is taxed at 17%, all income should be taxed at 17% whether it is dividend income or whatever.

Whether is dividend income or whatever... cool. I agree.

Whether is 30K or 30M or whatever.

That's fair.

 

[Ame®icano]

this is a serious question, please only reply with serious comments.

what specifically do liberals want the US to become?
Tell us exactly what you want changed, and why.

My take is that the hardcore left is after a solid social democracy, perhaps a step or two to the left of modern-day France.

They do reference Sweden quite a bit, which indeed would be quite a change.

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The left would like this country to be a combination of Sweden,Norway and France....
And then go left from there.

Have you ever been to Sweden, Norway and France? Their standard of living is superior to ours. I have lived and visited France frequently. They think our health care system is a joke. They are right.

I suggest you investigate your ideas before you belch them on to the public stage.

The standard of living of those three countries have today is due to the policies that were in place for 40 or 50 years. Find out who was in power back then.

Norway? Massive oil fund or three quarters of trillion dollars, saving for future is almost awash when you take that country has almost 650 billion debt. Lets say oil prices stay on today's level for awhile, or alternative energy improves, what do you think will happen with oil funds? Don't forget that Norwegian (and other Scandinavian) people have different mindset. They wont ask for welfare if they can work. They all work, their unemployment rate is less then 4%. They go to retirement at age 67. Why if they're so wealthy?

I couldn't care less what they think in France about our health care. Plenty here think that their health care sucks. I don't think they care what we think neither.

 

[Ame®icano]

Speaking only for myself, I'd like to see cons get logic training. I really can't believe cons are as stupid as they appear. It has to be upbringing.

Modern day conservatism is the political equivalent of selfishness.

But the virtuous kind, a la Ayn Rand.

Ayn Rand ended up on Social Security.

And thats relevant... how?

She didn't pay into it?

 

[Ame®icano]

From a political perspective, I want America to be a nation wherein people like you are perpetually unhappy.

Ultimately we will destroy liberals, live with that.

Hasn't worked in over 200 years

Most libs are short sighted, you fools will fade into history.

Surprisingly, it is conservatives who are always on the wrong side of history

Here's a history lesson for you, 70 years...that's how long its been since you had this few reps in the House AHAHAHAHA!

Back then when they called themselves progressives, happened the same thing, they showed their real face to people. Then they disappeared from face of the earth, hiding behind "D" and started cowling out again... proud to be liberals and progressives. It lasted, how long? 15 years.

 

[Ame®icano]

Canada does not allow any corporate campaign contributions. As a result they have universal healthcare, gay marriage, sensible gun laws, and a well regulated banking system. In fact, since 1790 the United States has had 16 banking system failures, Canada has had 0.

Now Republicans on the Supreme Court have voted to allow unlimited secret campaign contributions. This basically means legalized secret bribes.

Are the Canadians smarter than us? Yes.

Canada injected $114 billions into their banks. Harper said it wasn't bailout, they just "did some market transactions to improve liquidity".

The biggest banks, BMO received $17B, CIBC got $21B, RBC $25B, ScotiaBank $25B and TD Bank $26B. Why Canadian Mortgage and Housing (equivalent to Fannie & Freddy) bought some $70B of the banks books? Yeah, what we call bailout, they call cash injection. It's not shit, its a dog poop.

 

[Ame®icano]

First George W. Bush's SEC let Wall Street run a $516 trillion dollar derivatives based Ponzi scheme that destroyed the world economy in 2008.

Then Republicans on the Supreme Court voted to allow unlimited secret campaign contributions in the Citizens United decision.

Then Republicans in the House shut down the government and threatened the country with default.

Why would anyone vote for a party that hates government and continually tries to damage our country?

Ever heard of Eddie O'Connor? Derivatives existed long before Bush.

Banks were not the problem. Fed was. Banks were allowed and were simply betting on Fed, or rather on Fed lies. Let me ask you something... if you were allowed to do the same as banks did, how would you bet, for or against Fed?

 

[Ame®icano]

horseshit. when obama took office the national debt was 10T , it is now over 17T and will be over 20T by the time he leaves office. Obama will have added more to the national debt than all previous presidents COMBINED

Do you understand the difference between annual deficit and national debt?

You understand that most of the things that caused the trillion dollar deficits at the begining of Obama's term were put in their by Bush- Tax cuts for the rich, wars that no one was paying for, etc.

yep, and Bush's starting debt was inherited from Clinton and the failed dot com bubble. Whats your point?

Bush inherited a budget surplus and left a trillion dollar deficit

 

[Ame®icano]

Nope, the OP was a serious question and I wanted serious responses. I had my suspicions as to how you libs would respond and you confirmed them.

You libs have no idea what you really want. You deal in theory, emotion, and feeeeeeeeeeelings, not reality.

thanks for the confirmation.

Projection from a righty. Shocking

Keynes wrote "The End of Laissez Faire" in 1926. He was correct then, and his insight remains more valid than any economics that conservative Libertarians propound ad infinitum and ad nauseum. Laissez Faire is nothing more than a childish Christmas wish of no substance; just hope and myth, and smoke and mirrors. Fails every time we try even the tiniest bit.

So says you. Keynes' theories have been debunked by history.

lol, THAT'S why almost every nation uses it, lol

Yes, in a way. Keynes' theories justify their tax and spend like there's no tomorrow policies. If they had to use correct economic theories, they would all have to cut their spending by 90%.

Oh wait, you are trying to use PART of Keynes policies? PAYING OFF DEBT IN GOOD TIMES WAS THE OTHER PART!!!!

 

[ninja007]

Trickle down

Fool me once....

Trickle down?

You're speaking of the 'economic theory', which confiscates property from those who created it, thus who rightfully own it, keeps most of it to sustain their power and trickles down a small percentage of it to those who could have created their own, but who CHOSE NOT TO... .

It's a Deceitful theory which uses FRAUDULENT reasoning as a means to influence the Ignorant.

Deceit, FRAUD and Ignorance: The Fundamental Elements of Socialism.

Save us your libertarian logic

Contributing to the society from which you benefit is not a confiscation of property. Our wealthy are paying at one of the lowest levels in our history and laughing all the way to the bank

Confiscation of one's property is confiscation. Contributions are those things given without penalty.

And just as an FYI: That evil confiscates less at one time or more at another, is irrelevant... DUMBASS!

Taxation is the way society pays for itself. We have one of the lowest levels of taxation of any industrialized country
Stop with the confiscation of property bullshit

you mean one of the highest corporate tax rates....

 

[rightwinger]

horseshit. when obama took office the national debt was 10T , it is now over 17T and will be over 20T by the time he leaves office. Obama will have added more to the national debt than all previous presidents COMBINED

Do you understand the difference between annual deficit and national debt?

You understand that most of the things that caused the trillion dollar deficits at the begining of Obama's term were put in their by Bush- Tax cuts for the rich, wars that no one was paying for, etc.

yep, and Bush's starting debt was inherited from Clinton and the failed dot com bubble. Whats your point?

Bush inherited a budget surplus and left a trillion dollar deficit

Even Bush celebrated the fact that he had a budget surplus and used it as justification for a massive tax cut

 

[rightwinger]

Trickle down

Fool me once....

Trickle down?

You're speaking of the 'economic theory', which confiscates property from those who created it, thus who rightfully own it, keeps most of it to sustain their power and trickles down a small percentage of it to those who could have created their own, but who CHOSE NOT TO... .

It's a Deceitful theory which uses FRAUDULENT reasoning as a means to influence the Ignorant.

Deceit, FRAUD and Ignorance: The Fundamental Elements of Socialism.

Save us your libertarian logic

Contributing to the society from which you benefit is not a confiscation of property. Our wealthy are paying at one of the lowest levels in our history and laughing all the way to the bank

Confiscation of one's property is confiscation. Contributions are those things given without penalty.

And just as an FYI: That evil confiscates less at one time or more at another, is irrelevant... DUMBASS!

Taxation is the way society pays for itself. We have one of the lowest levels of taxation of any industrialized country
Stop with the confiscation of property bullshit

you mean one of the highest corporate tax rates....

Actually, one of the lower rates

 

[Ame®icano]

Trickle down?

You're speaking of the 'economic theory', which confiscates property from those who created it, thus who rightfully own it, keeps most of it to sustain their power and trickles down a small percentage of it to those who could have created their own, but who CHOSE NOT TO... .

It's a Deceitful theory which uses FRAUDULENT reasoning as a means to influence the Ignorant.

Deceit, FRAUD and Ignorance: The Fundamental Elements of Socialism.

Save us your libertarian logic

Contributing to the society from which you benefit is not a confiscation of property. Our wealthy are paying at one of the lowest levels in our history and laughing all the way to the bank

Confiscation of one's property is confiscation. Contributions are those things given without penalty.

And just as an FYI: That evil confiscates less at one time or more at another, is irrelevant... DUMBASS!

Taxation is the way society pays for itself. We have one of the lowest levels of taxation of any industrialized country
Stop with the confiscation of property bullshit

you mean one of the highest corporate tax rates....

Actually, one of the lower rates

Statutory corporate tax rate in US is 39.1%.

What you're showing is average rate that gives impression all corporations pays that rate, but in reality some corporations are paying full rate, some are paying nothing, depending on tax breaks given by the government.

 

[rightwinger]

Save us your libertarian logic

Contributing to the society from which you benefit is not a confiscation of property. Our wealthy are paying at one of the lowest levels in our history and laughing all the way to the bank

Confiscation of one's property is confiscation. Contributions are those things given without penalty.

And just as an FYI: That evil confiscates less at one time or more at another, is irrelevant... DUMBASS!

Taxation is the way society pays for itself. We have one of the lowest levels of taxation of any industrialized country
Stop with the confiscation of property bullshit

you mean one of the highest corporate tax rates....

Actually, one of the lower rates

Statutory corporate tax rate in US is 39.1%.

What you're showing is average rate that gives impression all corporations pays that rate, but in reality some corporations are paying full rate, some are paying nothing, depending on tax breaks given by the government.

Statutory reflects the rate befrore corporations get all those exemptions and tax loopholes they paid politicians for. We all know they don't pay at the statutory rate

 

[RKMBrown]

Trickle down?

You're speaking of the 'economic theory', which confiscates property from those who created it, thus who rightfully own it, keeps most of it to sustain their power and trickles down a small percentage of it to those who could have created their own, but who CHOSE NOT TO... .

It's a Deceitful theory which uses FRAUDULENT reasoning as a means to influence the Ignorant.

Deceit, FRAUD and Ignorance: The Fundamental Elements of Socialism.

Save us your libertarian logic

Contributing to the society from which you benefit is not a confiscation of property. Our wealthy are paying at one of the lowest levels in our history and laughing all the way to the bank

Confiscation of one's property is confiscation. Contributions are those things given without penalty.

And just as an FYI: That evil confiscates less at one time or more at another, is irrelevant... DUMBASS!

Taxation is the way society pays for itself. We have one of the lowest levels of taxation of any industrialized country
Stop with the confiscation of property bullshit

you mean one of the highest corporate tax rates....

Actually, one of the lower rates

The effective is low because the tax rate is high. A corporation would have to be stupid to leave a lot of profit on the table at the end of the year to be taxed.

 

[RKMBrown]

Save us your libertarian logic

Contributing to the society from which you benefit is not a confiscation of property. Our wealthy are paying at one of the lowest levels in our history and laughing all the way to the bank

Confiscation of one's property is confiscation. Contributions are those things given without penalty.

And just as an FYI: That evil confiscates less at one time or more at another, is irrelevant... DUMBASS!

Taxation is the way society pays for itself. We have one of the lowest levels of taxation of any industrialized country
Stop with the confiscation of property bullshit

you mean one of the highest corporate tax rates....

Actually, one of the lower rates

Statutory corporate tax rate in US is 39.1%.

What you're showing is average rate that gives impression all corporations pays that rate, but in reality some corporations are paying full rate, some are paying nothing, depending on tax breaks given by the government.

The corporate tax rate for the first 50k of taxable profit is 15%. I wonder if they are also counting sole proprietor and sub-s.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Confiscation of one's property is confiscation. Contributions are those things given without penalty.

And just as an FYI: That evil confiscates less at one time or more at another, is irrelevant... DUMBASS!

Taxation is the way society pays for itself. We have one of the lowest levels of taxation of any industrialized country
Stop with the confiscation of property bullshit

you mean one of the highest corporate tax rates....

Actually, one of the lower rates

Statutory corporate tax rate in US is 39.1%.

What you're showing is average rate that gives impression all corporations pays that rate, but in reality some corporations are paying full rate, some are paying nothing, depending on tax breaks given by the government.

Statutory reflects the rate befrore corporations get all those exemptions and tax loopholes they paid politicians for. We all know they don't pay at the statutory rate

Yes... OKA: Legal deductions. There are no such things as tax-loopholes. That is a deceitful word which is applied fraudulently as a means to influence the ignorant, in order to lead to them to believe that such is somehow underhanded, untoward or somehow taking something that otherwise doesn't belong to them, such as the money being confiscated through the rationalization of "Taxation".