What Does An Actual RINO Look Like?

[bripat9643]

Right, I think Reagan was very open to compromise, I also think Obama has been. The difference here to me is Congress.

Reagan understood what a compromise is, you trade one thing for another. Obama thinks baiting your opponent or using executive orders are compromise. Huge difference.

Obama hardly holds the record on executive actions. And I think you are confusing politics for baiting.

He may not have nearly as many EOs as Bush, but he certainly pushed the envelope of executive powers with the few EOs he wrote. In that respect, he is right up there with Bush.

Which of Bush's EOs "pushed the envelope?"

Were you in a coma during that period? Bush pushed the envelope through his signing statements.
The Problem with Presidential Signing Statements: Their Use and Misuse by the Bush Administration


And then there was that whole suspension of habaes corpus for US citizens which was overturned by the Supreme Court. Very Lincolnesque...

Obama has been overruled by the court about half a dozen times. We are discussing EOs here, not other unconstitutional executive actions, of which Obama has many.

 

[bripat9643]

Obama hardly holds the record on executive actions. And I think you are confusing politics for baiting.

He may not have nearly as many EOs as Bush, but he certainly pushed the envelope of executive powers with the few EOs he wrote. In that respect, he is right up there with Bush.

Which of Bush's EOs "pushed the envelope?"

Were you in a coma during that period? Bush pushed the envelope through his signing statements.


The Problem with Presidential Signing Statements: Their Use and Misuse by the Bush Administration

Signing statements are EOs.

No, signing statements are not EOs.

There is more than one way to push the envelope of Executive power. One way is by EOs. Another is with signing statements.

The Problem with Presidential Signing Statements: Their Use and Misuse by the Bush Administration

Signing statements have no legal implications, as far as I know. They are utterly toothless.

 

[g5000]

Reagan understood what a compromise is, you trade one thing for another. Obama thinks baiting your opponent or using executive orders are compromise. Huge difference.

Obama hardly holds the record on executive actions. And I think you are confusing politics for baiting.

He may not have nearly as many EOs as Bush, but he certainly pushed the envelope of executive powers with the few EOs he wrote. In that respect, he is right up there with Bush.

Which of Bush's EOs "pushed the envelope?"

Were you in a coma during that period? Bush pushed the envelope through his signing statements.
The Problem with Presidential Signing Statements: Their Use and Misuse by the Bush Administration


And then there was that whole suspension of habaes corpus for US citizens which was overturned by the Supreme Court. Very Lincolnesque...

Obama has been overruled by the court about half a dozen times. We are discussing EOs here, not other unconstitutional executive actions, of which Obama has many.

We are talking about pushing the executive power envelope. Like creating a whole new Executive Cabinet called the Department of Fatherland Homeland Security, with overreaching domestic spying capabilities.

The Right was totally okay with the massive expansion of the police state...until the baton was passed to the black guy.

 

[g5000]

He may not have nearly as many EOs as Bush, but he certainly pushed the envelope of executive powers with the few EOs he wrote. In that respect, he is right up there with Bush.

Which of Bush's EOs "pushed the envelope?"

Were you in a coma during that period? Bush pushed the envelope through his signing statements.


The Problem with Presidential Signing Statements: Their Use and Misuse by the Bush Administration

Signing statements are EOs.

No, signing statements are not EOs.

There is more than one way to push the envelope of Executive power. One way is by EOs. Another is with signing statements.

The Problem with Presidential Signing Statements: Their Use and Misuse by the Bush Administration

Signing statements have no legal implications, as far as I know. They are utterly toothless.

I guess you didn't read the link.

When Congress passes a law, and the President decides not to carry out those laws, or to interpret the laws as he sees fit, this is your idea of "toothless", eh?

When Obama does it, the Right screams for his impeachment. Think "sanctuary cities" or "background checks".

 

[SwimExpert]

Kasich/Rubio would carry Ohio and Florida, and win the election.

Trump won't even win New York.

The calculus is obvious, folks.

And we'd get a balanced federal budget out of the deal. Again. Finally.

2016 Presidential Election Interactive Map

Partisan lock states are already filled in.

Regardless of either Clinton or Sanders being nominated...

A Kasich/Rubio ticket is guaranteed to carry the following states:
-Ohio
-Florida
-North Carolina
-Nevada
-Virginia

That alone secures a GOP victory.

In addition, Kasich/Rubio would likely lock in CO against HRC (though not guaranteed against Sanders) and likely secures Iowa against Sanders (though not guaranteed against Clinton). A Kasich/Rubio ticket has a maximum of 291 potential EC votes, which is more than any other GOP candidate's potential.

With PA and WI being virtually lock votes for the Democrats, they operate from a 247 base of essentially locked in votes. Whomever is the Democratic nominee, they can concentrate 100% of their efforts in FL and secure victory. In order for the GOP to win in November we have to:

- Revert, then secure, Florida: FL has been brought to the precipice of falling into blue statedom. It must be returned to it's previous status of being a red leaning swing state. A Rubio VP nod accomplishes that. But the work is not finished there. FL will still have to be won. It will take a moderate and pragmatic POTUS candidate to ultimately win over FL. Most GOP candidates will easily scare FL into the blue column.

-Lock up Ohio: Anything short of locking up Ohio would be the GOP equivalent of telling the Democrats "Eh, maybe we want it, maybe we don't. We'll let you know in December." The Dems can afford to gamble that carrying OH in the previous two elections will carry adequate momentum to bring the state back to them if the GOP neglects the state. As a result, Democrats would be able to count OH as among several layers of contingency. A Kasich candidacy locks up Ohio and reduces the number of strategic plans the Democrats can hope to layer up.

The GOP needs to do those things just to get to a parity with the Democrats. That would only leave NH, VA, IA, CO, and NV as battlegrounds, with VA being the most important for the GOP.

 

[bendog]

Rubio will easily win Florida?

La Raza Rubio is losing to Trump by double digits in Florida.... .

He can't win the primary in his home state, but he'll carry it in the General?



RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - Florida Republican Presidential Primary

Rubio and Cruz both poll higher than Trump when matched up against Clinton.

Idiot.

You really should bet the farm on Milquetoast Kasich. He's the only one who can beat hiLIARy...

Talk about drinking the piss......

I don't think the Big Quack is necessarily doomed to lose Fla to Hillary.

Poll: Trump Could Win Primary, Beat Clinton In Florida

However, Hillary will be prepared to spend 750 million to a billion dollars. I don't see the gop money guys giving to the Big Quack because ...... nobody knows what his positions are today, but in the past they've been centrist dem / big govt republican like Bloomberg and Rudy.

Have you been living in a cave? Trump doesn't need anyone's money. He's barely spent a dime and is dominating the polls and the headlines.

hiLIARy can spend all the money in the world, she's still seen as an untrustworthy liar.

IF he can't compete with Hillary for advertising time, he can't win. Hillary will flood the airwaves with "infomercials" touting his lack of any actual policy.

Now it's possible the Big Quack could do some fancy dancing, but it's not possible to balance the budget, build a fence and bomb ISIS without raising taxes. He's running on being "angry."

 

[Conservative65]

Obama hardly holds the record on executive actions. And I think you are confusing politics for baiting.

He may not have nearly as many EOs as Bush, but he certainly pushed the envelope of executive powers with the few EOs he wrote. In that respect, he is right up there with Bush.

Which of Bush's EOs "pushed the envelope?"

Were you in a coma during that period? Bush pushed the envelope through his signing statements.
The Problem with Presidential Signing Statements: Their Use and Misuse by the Bush Administration


And then there was that whole suspension of habaes corpus for US citizens which was overturned by the Supreme Court. Very Lincolnesque...

Obama has been overruled by the court about half a dozen times. We are discussing EOs here, not other unconstitutional executive actions, of which Obama has many.

We are talking about pushing the executive power envelope. Like creating a whole new Executive Cabinet called the Department of Fatherland Homeland Security, with overreaching domestic spying capabilities.

The Right was totally okay with the massive expansion of the police state...until the baton was passed to the black guy.

The black guy as Senator was opposed to it until he became President.

 

[bripat9643]

Kasich/Rubio would carry Ohio and Florida, and win the election.

Trump won't even win New York.

The calculus is obvious, folks.

And we'd get a balanced federal budget out of the deal. Again. Finally.

2016 Presidential Election Interactive Map

Partisan lock states are already filled in.

Regardless of either Clinton or Sanders being nominated...

A Kasich/Rubio ticket is guaranteed to carry the following states:
-Ohio
-Florida
-North Carolina
-Nevada
-Virginia

That alone secures a GOP victory.

In addition, Kasich/Rubio would likely lock in CO against HRC (though not guaranteed against Sanders) and likely secures Iowa against Sanders (though not guaranteed against Clinton). A Kasich/Rubio ticket has a maximum of 291 potential EC votes, which is more than any other GOP candidate's potential.

With PA and WI being virtually lock votes for the Democrats, they operate from a 247 base of essentially locked in votes. Whomever is the Democratic nominee, they can concentrate 100% of their efforts in FL and secure victory. In order for the GOP to win in November we have to:

- Revert, then secure, Florida: FL has been brought to the precipice of falling into blue statedom. It must be returned to it's previous status of being a red leaning swing state. A Rubio VP nod accomplishes that. But the work is not finished there. FL will still have to be won. It will take a moderate and pragmatic POTUS candidate to ultimately win over FL. Most GOP candidates will easily scare FL into the blue column.

-Lock up Ohio: Anything short of locking up Ohio would be the GOP equivalent of telling the Democrats "Eh, maybe we want it, maybe we don't. We'll let you know in December." The Dems can afford to gamble that carrying OH in the previous two elections will carry adequate momentum to bring the state back to them if the GOP neglects the state. As a result, Democrats would be able to count OH as among several layers of contingency. A Kasich candidacy locks up Ohio and reduces the number of strategic plans the Democrats can hope to layer up.

The GOP needs to do those things just to get to a parity with the Democrats. That would only leave NH, VA, IA, CO, and NV as battlegrounds, with VA being the most important for the GOP.

Kasich and Rubio are a couple of RINOs who have no chance to win the Nomination. Trump is already winning in the states you listed. Get used to saying "President Trump."

 

[Zander]

Rubio will easily win Florida?

La Raza Rubio is losing to Trump by double digits in Florida.... .

He can't win the primary in his home state, but he'll carry it in the General?



RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - Florida Republican Presidential Primary

Rubio and Cruz both poll higher than Trump when matched up against Clinton.

Idiot.

You really should bet the farm on Milquetoast Kasich. He's the only one who can beat hiLIARy...

Talk about drinking the piss......

I don't think the Big Quack is necessarily doomed to lose Fla to Hillary.

Poll: Trump Could Win Primary, Beat Clinton In Florida

However, Hillary will be prepared to spend 750 million to a billion dollars. I don't see the gop money guys giving to the Big Quack because ...... nobody knows what his positions are today, but in the past they've been centrist dem / big govt republican like Bloomberg and Rudy.

Have you been living in a cave? Trump doesn't need anyone's money. He's barely spent a dime and is dominating the polls and the headlines.

hiLIARy can spend all the money in the world, she's still seen as an untrustworthy liar.

IF he can't compete with Hillary for advertising time, he can't win. Hillary will flood the airwaves with "infomercials" touting his lack of any actual policy.

Now it's possible the Big Quack could do some fancy dancing, but it's not possible to balance the budget, build a fence and bomb ISIS without raising taxes. He's running on being "angry."

Underestimating Trump is very popular....... How's it working out so far?

 

[SwimExpert]

Got a link?

Sure, right here

Seriously, link. Let's establish exactly what you are saying

You didn't need a link to offer your own [short sighted] recollection of events. Funny how that works.

It was all playing out, right in front of everyone's eyes at the time. You were just too stupid to see it.

Here are the pertinent facts. Tell me what you feel the need to challenge and we'll go from there:

1 - Obama endorsed universal health care during campaign.
2 - ACA is not universal health care.
3 - Pelosi led the pressure to bring health care to the forefront
4 - Obama pressed for Republican involvement and Congressional debate
5 - Pelosi was Speaker of the House
6 - Obama was President

 

[bendog]

Rubio and Cruz both poll higher than Trump when matched up against Clinton.

Idiot.

You really should bet the farm on Milquetoast Kasich. He's the only one who can beat hiLIARy...

Talk about drinking the piss......

I don't think the Big Quack is necessarily doomed to lose Fla to Hillary.

Poll: Trump Could Win Primary, Beat Clinton In Florida

However, Hillary will be prepared to spend 750 million to a billion dollars. I don't see the gop money guys giving to the Big Quack because ...... nobody knows what his positions are today, but in the past they've been centrist dem / big govt republican like Bloomberg and Rudy.

Have you been living in a cave? Trump doesn't need anyone's money. He's barely spent a dime and is dominating the polls and the headlines.

hiLIARy can spend all the money in the world, she's still seen as an untrustworthy liar.

IF he can't compete with Hillary for advertising time, he can't win. Hillary will flood the airwaves with "infomercials" touting his lack of any actual policy.

Now it's possible the Big Quack could do some fancy dancing, but it's not possible to balance the budget, build a fence and bomb ISIS without raising taxes. He's running on being "angry."

Underestimating Trump is very popular....... How's it working out so far?

He's wining 38% of 25%. I don't underestimate him. I think he's extremely dangerous. But for over 200 years Americans have never elected a potus on fear and xenophobia.

It's possible he could morph into someone with actual policies. But to do so, he's either gonna have to raise taxes to do half of what he claims he'd do, or he's gonna have to flip. I don't think the media will continue to allow him to not answer questions if he's the nominee.

 

[SwimExpert]

Kasich/Rubio would carry Ohio and Florida, and win the election.

Trump won't even win New York.

The calculus is obvious, folks.

And we'd get a balanced federal budget out of the deal. Again. Finally.

2016 Presidential Election Interactive Map

Partisan lock states are already filled in.

Regardless of either Clinton or Sanders being nominated...

A Kasich/Rubio ticket is guaranteed to carry the following states:
-Ohio
-Florida
-North Carolina
-Nevada
-Virginia

That alone secures a GOP victory.

In addition, Kasich/Rubio would likely lock in CO against HRC (though not guaranteed against Sanders) and likely secures Iowa against Sanders (though not guaranteed against Clinton). A Kasich/Rubio ticket has a maximum of 291 potential EC votes, which is more than any other GOP candidate's potential.

With PA and WI being virtually lock votes for the Democrats, they operate from a 247 base of essentially locked in votes. Whomever is the Democratic nominee, they can concentrate 100% of their efforts in FL and secure victory. In order for the GOP to win in November we have to:

- Revert, then secure, Florida: FL has been brought to the precipice of falling into blue statedom. It must be returned to it's previous status of being a red leaning swing state. A Rubio VP nod accomplishes that. But the work is not finished there. FL will still have to be won. It will take a moderate and pragmatic POTUS candidate to ultimately win over FL. Most GOP candidates will easily scare FL into the blue column.

-Lock up Ohio: Anything short of locking up Ohio would be the GOP equivalent of telling the Democrats "Eh, maybe we want it, maybe we don't. We'll let you know in December." The Dems can afford to gamble that carrying OH in the previous two elections will carry adequate momentum to bring the state back to them if the GOP neglects the state. As a result, Democrats would be able to count OH as among several layers of contingency. A Kasich candidacy locks up Ohio and reduces the number of strategic plans the Democrats can hope to layer up.

The GOP needs to do those things just to get to a parity with the Democrats. That would only leave NH, VA, IA, CO, and NV as battlegrounds, with VA being the most important for the GOP.

Kasich and Rubio are a couple of RINOs who have no chance to win the Nomination. Trump is already winning in the states you listed. Get used to saying "President Trump."

Trump may be leading in the primaries, but that means nothing in regards to the general election. You understand the difference between a primary and a general election, right?

 

[bripat9643]

Kasich/Rubio would carry Ohio and Florida, and win the election.

Trump won't even win New York.

The calculus is obvious, folks.

And we'd get a balanced federal budget out of the deal. Again. Finally.

2016 Presidential Election Interactive Map

Partisan lock states are already filled in.

Regardless of either Clinton or Sanders being nominated...

A Kasich/Rubio ticket is guaranteed to carry the following states:
-Ohio
-Florida
-North Carolina
-Nevada
-Virginia

That alone secures a GOP victory.

In addition, Kasich/Rubio would likely lock in CO against HRC (though not guaranteed against Sanders) and likely secures Iowa against Sanders (though not guaranteed against Clinton). A Kasich/Rubio ticket has a maximum of 291 potential EC votes, which is more than any other GOP candidate's potential.

With PA and WI being virtually lock votes for the Democrats, they operate from a 247 base of essentially locked in votes. Whomever is the Democratic nominee, they can concentrate 100% of their efforts in FL and secure victory. In order for the GOP to win in November we have to:

- Revert, then secure, Florida: FL has been brought to the precipice of falling into blue statedom. It must be returned to it's previous status of being a red leaning swing state. A Rubio VP nod accomplishes that. But the work is not finished there. FL will still have to be won. It will take a moderate and pragmatic POTUS candidate to ultimately win over FL. Most GOP candidates will easily scare FL into the blue column.

-Lock up Ohio: Anything short of locking up Ohio would be the GOP equivalent of telling the Democrats "Eh, maybe we want it, maybe we don't. We'll let you know in December." The Dems can afford to gamble that carrying OH in the previous two elections will carry adequate momentum to bring the state back to them if the GOP neglects the state. As a result, Democrats would be able to count OH as among several layers of contingency. A Kasich candidacy locks up Ohio and reduces the number of strategic plans the Democrats can hope to layer up.

The GOP needs to do those things just to get to a parity with the Democrats. That would only leave NH, VA, IA, CO, and NV as battlegrounds, with VA being the most important for the GOP.

Kasich and Rubio are a couple of RINOs who have no chance to win the Nomination. Trump is already winning in the states you listed. Get used to saying "President Trump."

Trump may be leading in the primaries, but that means nothing in regards to the general election. You understand the difference between a primary and a general election, right?

Hillary hasn't got a chance against Trump in the general election. He is going to rake her over the coals night and day over her emails, Benghazi and attacking Bills victims to keep them quiet. Hillary's poll numbers are sinking by the day.

 

[HappyJoy]

Got a link?

Sure, right here

Seriously, link. Let's establish exactly what you are saying

You didn't need a link to offer your own [short sighted] recollection of events. Funny how that works.

It was all playing out, right in front of everyone's eyes at the time. You were just too stupid to see it.

Here are the pertinent facts. Tell me what you feel the need to challenge and we'll go from there:

1 - Obama endorsed universal health care during campaign.
2 - ACA is not universal health care.
3 - Pelosi led the pressure to bring health care to the forefront
4 - Obama pressed for Republican involvement and Congressional debate
5 - Pelosi was Speaker of the House
6 - Obama was President

The premise that Obama didn't support the ACA needs a source.

 

[saveliberty]

We are talking about pushing the executive power envelope. Like creating a whole new Executive Cabinet called the Department of Fatherland Homeland Security, with overreaching domestic spying capabilities.

The Right was totally okay with the massive expansion of the police state...until the baton was passed to the black guy.

Expanding government powers are a typical conservative sore spot. It would be nice of the Supreme Court would clearly define or limit executive orders in my opinion. Whether it is the President, Congress, the courts or bureaucrats, this all chips away at representative government. Often which ever side is getting what they want, they overlook the big picture of growing power in government.

 

[HappyJoy]

Kasich/Rubio would carry Ohio and Florida, and win the election.

Trump won't even win New York.

The calculus is obvious, folks.

And we'd get a balanced federal budget out of the deal. Again. Finally.

2016 Presidential Election Interactive Map

Partisan lock states are already filled in.

Regardless of either Clinton or Sanders being nominated...

A Kasich/Rubio ticket is guaranteed to carry the following states:
-Ohio
-Florida
-North Carolina
-Nevada
-Virginia

That alone secures a GOP victory.

In addition, Kasich/Rubio would likely lock in CO against HRC (though not guaranteed against Sanders) and likely secures Iowa against Sanders (though not guaranteed against Clinton). A Kasich/Rubio ticket has a maximum of 291 potential EC votes, which is more than any other GOP candidate's potential.

With PA and WI being virtually lock votes for the Democrats, they operate from a 247 base of essentially locked in votes. Whomever is the Democratic nominee, they can concentrate 100% of their efforts in FL and secure victory. In order for the GOP to win in November we have to:

- Revert, then secure, Florida: FL has been brought to the precipice of falling into blue statedom. It must be returned to it's previous status of being a red leaning swing state. A Rubio VP nod accomplishes that. But the work is not finished there. FL will still have to be won. It will take a moderate and pragmatic POTUS candidate to ultimately win over FL. Most GOP candidates will easily scare FL into the blue column.

-Lock up Ohio: Anything short of locking up Ohio would be the GOP equivalent of telling the Democrats "Eh, maybe we want it, maybe we don't. We'll let you know in December." The Dems can afford to gamble that carrying OH in the previous two elections will carry adequate momentum to bring the state back to them if the GOP neglects the state. As a result, Democrats would be able to count OH as among several layers of contingency. A Kasich candidacy locks up Ohio and reduces the number of strategic plans the Democrats can hope to layer up.

The GOP needs to do those things just to get to a parity with the Democrats. That would only leave NH, VA, IA, CO, and NV as battlegrounds, with VA being the most important for the GOP.

Why is Nevada and Virginia a lock for the GOP with that ticket exactly? Actually, I should question Florida too, just because Rubio is on the ticket guarantees nothing, look at Wisconsin in 2012. It could work out this way but you really think Kasich's name would be first on the ticket? Sounds like fantasy. Possible but Trump had better fall in NH real quick, it's Kasich's only shot at relevance until Ohio.

 

[Zander]

You really should bet the farm on Milquetoast Kasich. He's the only one who can beat hiLIARy...

Talk about drinking the piss......

I don't think the Big Quack is necessarily doomed to lose Fla to Hillary.

Poll: Trump Could Win Primary, Beat Clinton In Florida

However, Hillary will be prepared to spend 750 million to a billion dollars. I don't see the gop money guys giving to the Big Quack because ...... nobody knows what his positions are today, but in the past they've been centrist dem / big govt republican like Bloomberg and Rudy.

Have you been living in a cave? Trump doesn't need anyone's money. He's barely spent a dime and is dominating the polls and the headlines.

hiLIARy can spend all the money in the world, she's still seen as an untrustworthy liar.

IF he can't compete with Hillary for advertising time, he can't win. Hillary will flood the airwaves with "infomercials" touting his lack of any actual policy.

Now it's possible the Big Quack could do some fancy dancing, but it's not possible to balance the budget, build a fence and bomb ISIS without raising taxes. He's running on being "angry."

Underestimating Trump is very popular....... How's it working out so far?

He's wining 38% of 25%. I don't underestimate him. I think he's extremely dangerous. But for over 200 years Americans have never elected a potus on fear and xenophobia.

It's possible he could morph into someone with actual policies. But to do so, he's either gonna have to raise taxes to do half of what he claims he'd do, or he's gonna have to flip. I don't think the media will continue to allow him to not answer questions if he's the nominee.

The media? They are his play things. He's the most media savvy candidate in history. He sets the agenda. His every move is scrutinized, examined and reported ad nauseum. He is a ratings bonanza and because of that, the media maggots dance to his tune. He DOMINATES the media.

 

[bendog]

Kasich/Rubio would carry Ohio and Florida, and win the election.

Trump won't even win New York.

The calculus is obvious, folks.

And we'd get a balanced federal budget out of the deal. Again. Finally.

2016 Presidential Election Interactive Map

Partisan lock states are already filled in.

Regardless of either Clinton or Sanders being nominated...

A Kasich/Rubio ticket is guaranteed to carry the following states:
-Ohio
-Florida
-North Carolina
-Nevada
-Virginia

That alone secures a GOP victory.

In addition, Kasich/Rubio would likely lock in CO against HRC (though not guaranteed against Sanders) and likely secures Iowa against Sanders (though not guaranteed against Clinton). A Kasich/Rubio ticket has a maximum of 291 potential EC votes, which is more than any other GOP candidate's potential.

With PA and WI being virtually lock votes for the Democrats, they operate from a 247 base of essentially locked in votes. Whomever is the Democratic nominee, they can concentrate 100% of their efforts in FL and secure victory. In order for the GOP to win in November we have to:

- Revert, then secure, Florida: FL has been brought to the precipice of falling into blue statedom. It must be returned to it's previous status of being a red leaning swing state. A Rubio VP nod accomplishes that. But the work is not finished there. FL will still have to be won. It will take a moderate and pragmatic POTUS candidate to ultimately win over FL. Most GOP candidates will easily scare FL into the blue column.

-Lock up Ohio: Anything short of locking up Ohio would be the GOP equivalent of telling the Democrats "Eh, maybe we want it, maybe we don't. We'll let you know in December." The Dems can afford to gamble that carrying OH in the previous two elections will carry adequate momentum to bring the state back to them if the GOP neglects the state. As a result, Democrats would be able to count OH as among several layers of contingency. A Kasich candidacy locks up Ohio and reduces the number of strategic plans the Democrats can hope to layer up.

The GOP needs to do those things just to get to a parity with the Democrats. That would only leave NH, VA, IA, CO, and NV as battlegrounds, with VA being the most important for the GOP.

Kasich and Rubio are a couple of RINOs who have no chance to win the Nomination. Trump is already winning in the states you listed. Get used to saying "President Trump."

Trump may be leading in the primaries, but that means nothing in regards to the general election. You understand the difference between a primary and a general election, right?

Hillary hasn't got a chance against Trump in the general election. He is going to rake her over the coals night and day over her emails, Benghazi and attacking Bills victims to keep them quiet. Hillary's poll numbers are sinking by the day.

Never worked before, obscene child. The Big Quack has to have positive policy on specific issues that the media can vet as being "doable."

 

[Zander]

Kasich/Rubio would carry Ohio and Florida, and win the election.

Trump won't even win New York.

The calculus is obvious, folks.

And we'd get a balanced federal budget out of the deal. Again. Finally.

2016 Presidential Election Interactive Map

Partisan lock states are already filled in.

Regardless of either Clinton or Sanders being nominated...

A Kasich/Rubio ticket is guaranteed to carry the following states:
-Ohio
-Florida
-North Carolina
-Nevada
-Virginia

That alone secures a GOP victory.

In addition, Kasich/Rubio would likely lock in CO against HRC (though not guaranteed against Sanders) and likely secures Iowa against Sanders (though not guaranteed against Clinton). A Kasich/Rubio ticket has a maximum of 291 potential EC votes, which is more than any other GOP candidate's potential.

With PA and WI being virtually lock votes for the Democrats, they operate from a 247 base of essentially locked in votes. Whomever is the Democratic nominee, they can concentrate 100% of their efforts in FL and secure victory. In order for the GOP to win in November we have to:

- Revert, then secure, Florida: FL has been brought to the precipice of falling into blue statedom. It must be returned to it's previous status of being a red leaning swing state. A Rubio VP nod accomplishes that. But the work is not finished there. FL will still have to be won. It will take a moderate and pragmatic POTUS candidate to ultimately win over FL. Most GOP candidates will easily scare FL into the blue column.

-Lock up Ohio: Anything short of locking up Ohio would be the GOP equivalent of telling the Democrats "Eh, maybe we want it, maybe we don't. We'll let you know in December." The Dems can afford to gamble that carrying OH in the previous two elections will carry adequate momentum to bring the state back to them if the GOP neglects the state. As a result, Democrats would be able to count OH as among several layers of contingency. A Kasich candidacy locks up Ohio and reduces the number of strategic plans the Democrats can hope to layer up.

The GOP needs to do those things just to get to a parity with the Democrats. That would only leave NH, VA, IA, CO, and NV as battlegrounds, with VA being the most important for the GOP.

Kasich and Rubio are a couple of RINOs who have no chance to win the Nomination. Trump is already winning in the states you listed. Get used to saying "President Trump."

Trump may be leading in the primaries, but that means nothing in regards to the general election. You understand the difference between a primary and a general election, right?

Hillary hasn't got a chance against Trump in the general election. He is going to rake her over the coals night and day over her emails, Benghazi and attacking Bills victims to keep them quiet. Hillary's poll numbers are sinking by the day.

He started attacking the cankled cuckquean 2 weeks ago- she's dropped 10 points in the polls. Wait until he really gets started, it will be bloodbath.

 

[Zander]

Kasich/Rubio would carry Ohio and Florida, and win the election.

Trump won't even win New York.

The calculus is obvious, folks.

And we'd get a balanced federal budget out of the deal. Again. Finally.

2016 Presidential Election Interactive Map

Partisan lock states are already filled in.

Regardless of either Clinton or Sanders being nominated...

A Kasich/Rubio ticket is guaranteed to carry the following states:
-Ohio
-Florida
-North Carolina
-Nevada
-Virginia

That alone secures a GOP victory.

In addition, Kasich/Rubio would likely lock in CO against HRC (though not guaranteed against Sanders) and likely secures Iowa against Sanders (though not guaranteed against Clinton). A Kasich/Rubio ticket has a maximum of 291 potential EC votes, which is more than any other GOP candidate's potential.

With PA and WI being virtually lock votes for the Democrats, they operate from a 247 base of essentially locked in votes. Whomever is the Democratic nominee, they can concentrate 100% of their efforts in FL and secure victory. In order for the GOP to win in November we have to:

- Revert, then secure, Florida: FL has been brought to the precipice of falling into blue statedom. It must be returned to it's previous status of being a red leaning swing state. A Rubio VP nod accomplishes that. But the work is not finished there. FL will still have to be won. It will take a moderate and pragmatic POTUS candidate to ultimately win over FL. Most GOP candidates will easily scare FL into the blue column.

-Lock up Ohio: Anything short of locking up Ohio would be the GOP equivalent of telling the Democrats "Eh, maybe we want it, maybe we don't. We'll let you know in December." The Dems can afford to gamble that carrying OH in the previous two elections will carry adequate momentum to bring the state back to them if the GOP neglects the state. As a result, Democrats would be able to count OH as among several layers of contingency. A Kasich candidacy locks up Ohio and reduces the number of strategic plans the Democrats can hope to layer up.

The GOP needs to do those things just to get to a parity with the Democrats. That would only leave NH, VA, IA, CO, and NV as battlegrounds, with VA being the most important for the GOP.

Kasich and Rubio are a couple of RINOs who have no chance to win the Nomination. Trump is already winning in the states you listed. Get used to saying "President Trump."

Trump may be leading in the primaries, but that means nothing in regards to the general election. You understand the difference between a primary and a general election, right?

Hillary hasn't got a chance against Trump in the general election. He is going to rake her over the coals night and day over her emails, Benghazi and attacking Bills victims to keep them quiet. Hillary's poll numbers are sinking by the day.

Never worked before, obscene child. The Big Quack has to have positive policy on specific issues that the media can vet as being "doable."

Yeah!! Voters will demand specific policies, like "Hope and Change"...