Debate Now What does MAGA mean ? Specifically ?

[HikerGuy83]

But - my overriding concern is if and when a democrat wins the WH and controls the house and has a Senate majority. If they change the Senate rules to abolish the filibuster then they can pretty much do as they please and that is when America turns into a one-party gov't. IMHO, if and when that happens we are fucked.

Which is why we need to flesh out the message.

I want a president who will put forth a plan (that most won't like) to drive down the deficit and start to decrease the debt. We are headed to 40 trillion. We are numb to it, but when it bites.....we are so dead.

 

[task0778]

Which is why we need to flesh out the message.

I want a president who will put forth a plan (that most won't like) to drive down the deficit and start to decrease the debt. We are headed to 40 trillion. We are numb to it, but when it bites.....we are so dead.

Agreed. But we are so addicted to overspending that it's hard to see that changing until we hit the wall. Maybe at some point enough voters will realize that the current path is unsustainable and we'll elect somebody that will do something about it. It could be that things will have to turn to shit first though, as inflation and interest rates go way up, a lot worse than 9% YoY. But that hole we're digging now is likely to get a lot deeper first.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

I want a president who will put forth a plan

Because of Dobbs Republicans will never have a 60 vote advantage in the Senate even though lightly populated states get two Senators and California Illinois Pennsylvania and New York get two.

Dems can get sixty Senators if the extreme right white religious culture quit voting for Republican culture war MAGA Bullshit.

Once white evangelicals quit the Republican Party and Dems have full control of Congress with a sixty plus seat majority in the Senate we will have the same deficit reduction sand lots of jobs we had when Clinton was President. Before Bush screwed it all up.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

So, MAGA has it's roots in economic distress, but has expanded to other issues: abortion

When is Pro-Life pro-life? 170518 {post •92} task0778 May’17 Swipp: But an unborn baby, however old, I really see no ethical reason why their right to life should be infringed. tvsknnnn 270518 Swippz00092

Is MAGA an imposition of your ethics according to your conscience on a woman for getting pregnant with no intent to give birth to a child?

 

[HikerGuy83]

Agreed. But we are so addicted to overspending that it's hard to see that changing until we hit the wall. Maybe at some point enough voters will realize that the current path is unsustainable and we'll elect somebody that will do something about it. It could be that things will have to turn to shit first though, as inflation and interest rates go way up, a lot worse than 9% YoY. But that hole we're digging now is likely to get a lot deeper first.

That's a tough thing to consign our children, grandchildren and great grandchildren to.

That does not make America greater.

If MAGA were truly that, this would be one of their key issues.

It isn't which is why I am skeptical of it.

But that is my point of view. I will rattle when I can.

BTW: Appreciate the conversation and not the lectures and B.S. others have thrown about.

 

[task0778]

If MAGA were truly that, this would be one of their key issues.

You would think that fiscal responsibility would be a key issue, and it is for some. Like me. But you don't win elections promising to cut benefits. The GOP does spend less than the democrats want to, which I believe is one reason why the deficits under Trump were more than desired cuz they had to spend more to get the democrats on-board. I don't know which is worse, agreeing to spend more than you wanted to get something done, or letting the gov't shut down.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

But you don't win elections promising to cut benefits

True! Republicans can’t win Presidential elections promising to cut benefits.

Or taking rights away from women.


What does MAGA mean Specifically 240414 {post•1}. HikerGuy83 Apr’24 Swdmms: “If MAGA means Make American Great Again, it means we were once great. •¥• Can someone tell me when that was, what made us "great" and when you'll know we've gotten back to that point ?” hkrgy 240414 Swdmms00001


We became great when our founding generation devised the Continental Congress which unified thirteen British colonies to form a volunteer army of farmers and tradesmen who would fight the professional British infantry and mercenaries and then defeat an empire. Did they form a perfect union in 1792? Absolutely Not.

dcba

 

[HikerGuy83]

You would think that fiscal responsibility would be a key issue, and it is for some. Like me.

O.K. Agreed

But you don't win elections promising to cut benefits.

Actually, you make your case that you won't put everyone in the poor house in 10 years by doing just that. But you don't take away S.S. as it was a promise.

But you have to start somewhere.

First you show how this is going to really damage us in the long run.

The GOP does spend less than the democrats want to,

They don't demonstrate this at the federal level. GWB had a GOP congess and they spent like drunken soldiers. Bush was NOT a fiscal conservative....by any stretch of the imagination. Myself and many other conservatives had to endure being shouted down by the likes of east coast RINOS who just could not resist starting us down the road we are on now.

Biden will hit a 2.5 Trillion dollar deficit this year alone. 10 years ago, that was grounds for being shot.

I don't know which is worse, agreeing to spend more than you wanted to get something done, or letting the gov't shut down.

This is a down and dirty hard core principle. MAGA has not said a word (I hope you understand, I don't blame them, I just don't see MAGA as the light on the hill that Foxfyre and Rambunctious make it out to be.

We need less government and we need less government spending. And we need it last year.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

that was grounds for being shot.

Watch it MAGA

 

[NotfooledbyW]

We need less government and we need less government spending. And we need it last year.

But Saint Hikerguy does not really want to discuss it with someone who can tell him how to get there.

 

[task0778]

They don't demonstrate this at the federal level. GWB had a GOP congess and they spent like drunken soldiers

I think that any repub president that has a GOP Congress (both Houses) still has to get democrat support unless he has a Senate supermajority (60 votes). Which no GOP has enjoyed for quite some time, if ever. So, if the prez wants to get any legislation passed, he has to work with and appease the democrats and that means spending more than he wanted to. Every.single.time. There has never been a time when the democrats have ever wanted to spend less money than the repubs on any appropriations bill.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

I want a president who will put forth a plan (that most won't like) to drive down the deficit and start to decrease the debt.

Saint Hikerguy will vote for Trump because Biden was nasty to Robert Bork:

See Post: wdmms00300 Trump also pointed to the “late ’40s and ‘50s,” a time when, he said, “we were not pushed around, we were respected by everybody, we had just won a war, we were pretty much doing what we had to do.”​

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According to Trump’s own words the last time America was GREAT was when the top tax rate was well above ninety percent and America had just contributed mightily to toppling fascist regimes all over the globe to preserve Western liberal democracy.

But now Saint Hikerguy wants to quibble over what MAGA means as Donald J Trump sits before a Jury with 34 charges filed against him which include election fraud for covering up stories about the women he slept with including sleeping with a porn star while his third wife was at home nursing the baby he made with her.

And Trump us still the presumptive Republican Party nominee for President who wants to do whatever he can to help the Fascist dictator Putin to redraw the borders of Europe the way Hitler tried to do it in the forties.

But Saint Hikerguy says he will vote for Trump

 

[NotfooledbyW]

ring through the nose

What does MAGA mean Specifically 240422 {post•295}. HikerGuy83 Apr’24 Swdmms: To me, it is nothing more than a sales pitch and a ring through the nose of many short sighted people. hkrgy 240422 Swdmms00295


Because Saint Hikerguy wiil vote for DJT despite what DJT attempted on J6; does that not qualify Saint Hikerguy for having the MAGA ring through his nose being led by DJT all the same?

 

[NotfooledbyW]

MAGA simply means fix what Obama breaks...

Annihilating the Church of J.C. of LDS 240423 {post•74}

Rational thought is a strange term too. Because someone has to decide what is rational.

I will go with being rational every time rather than whatever it is that MagaRambunctious is smokin’ ……

 

[Rambunctious]

Annihilating the Church of J.C. of LDS 240423 {post•74}


I will go with being rational every time rather than whatever it is that MagaRambunctious is smokin’ ……

Rational???. are you Hamas too?.... how about weaponizing our DOJ is that rational... how about $4 gas is that rational... how about endless war funding when we are broke is that rational... this is rich a fucking irrational Biden toe sucking liberal bringing up rationality....

 

[NotfooledbyW]

how about weaponizing our DOJ is that rational

Believing our DOJ is weaponized against Trump is irrational for certain.

If he can’t do the times he should not have committed the crimes

 

[Rambunctious]

Believing our DOJ is weaponized against Trump is irrational for certain.

If he can’t do the times he should not have committed the crimes

Then you are not paying attention you are just being led by your nose in one direction.... turn on a real news network...

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

What does MAGA mean ? Specifically ?​

Easy one.

For most MAGA cult followers it means White Power.
But because the vast majority of Trumpettes are paper tigers, it means tons of whining and bitching on the internet, and even occasional threats of violence, gun shaking and promises of civil war, but ultimately it means massive revenue gains for Kleenex Tissue corp and nothing more. MAGAs expect Jesus to do their fighting for them.


THIS......IS MAGA

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

Prepare for Tsunamis of MAGA tears if Trump actually gets convicted.

OH! The RAGE!

 

[Rambunctious]

For most MAGA cult followers it means White Power.
But because the vast majority of Trumpettes are paper tigers, it means tons of whining and bitching on the internet, and even occasional threats of violence, gun shaking and promises of civil war, but ultimately it means massive revenue gains for Kleenex Tissue corp and nothing more. MAGAs expect Jesus to do their fighting for them.

Whining and bitching on the internet???? isn't that what you are doing with this lame post?...