What Does The Bible REALLY Say About Queer People?

[Chuckt]

There are Christians who believe in the Trinity so the Father is God and the Son is God. In the old testament, there are two Lords and the word "from" denotes position. So if one of the Lords is Jesus in this verse, what does that say about Homosexuality? It means that Jesus had a say in sending fire down from Heaven upon Sodom and Gomorrah.

Genesis 19:24 Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven;

 

[Chuckt]

Paul chose two words in the New Testament that specify what the Old Testament meant from Leviticus 18.

Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [is] abomination.

1 Corinthians 6:9 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders

1 Corinthians 6:10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

homosexuals, g733 ἀρσενοκοίτης arsenokoitēs

The word for Homosexuals or “arsenokoitēs” is made up of two words. It is from ἄρρην (G730) and κοίτη (G2845).

G730 – arrēn means “male”. G2845 – koitē means “bed”.

So the term “nor homosexual offenders” means “nor male in bed” and is a reference to Leviticus 18:22.

Leviticus 18:22 "'Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable. (NIV)


Links:

BLB - Lev 18 Law of Moses - Leviticus 18 Blue Letter Bible KJV - King James Version

BLB - 1Co 6 Paul s Epistle - 1 Corinthians 6 Blue Letter Bible KJV - King James Version

Greek Lexicon G733 KJV

Greek Lexicon G730 KJV

Greek Lexicon G2845 KJV


Copyright Information, New International Version (NIV)


THE HOLY BIBLE, NEW INTERNATIONAL VERSION®, NIV®

Copyright © 1973, 1978, 1984 by International Bible Society®

Used by permission. All rights reserved worldwide.

Romans 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

Romans 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

Romans 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

Romans 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

 

[Chuckt]

Wrath of God defined

Researched by Chuckt


"(1:18) The apostle now speaks of the wrath of God inasmuch as 'the revelation of the righteousness of God (v.17) is needed in view of the revelation of His wrath, from which only God's righteousness (whether it be His justifying sentence or the righteousness He bestows on man) can deliver' (Denney). 'Wrath' is orge. The word is used of God's wrath in Matthew 3:7, Romans 1:17, 12:19, and is defined by Trench as 'a wrath of God who would not love good unless He hated evil, the two being inseparable, that He must do both or neither.' It is used of our Lord when, after healing the man with the withered hand, He observed the hardness of heart of the Pharisees, and looked upon them with anger (Mk. 3:5). Orge is an anger 'which righteous men not merely may, but as they are righteous, must feel; nor can there be a surer and sadder token of an utterly prostrate moral condition than the not being to be angry with sin--and sinners' (Trench). Vincent describes orge as God's personal emotion with regard to sin. It represents God's abhorrence and hatred of sin."1

(There is more of the definition here which supports this translation.)

"Translation: For there is revealed God's wrath from heaven upon every lack of reverence and (every) unrighteousness of men who the truth in unrighteousness are holding down."2

1 Word Studies in the Greek New Testament, Volume 1, Kenneth Wuest (NASB BIBLE Translator), Eerdmans, p. 28-29

2. "The New Testament" (An Expanded Translation) by Kenneth Wuest (NASB BIBLE Translator) on Romans 1:18.

I've actually debated people who say that Romans 1 doesn't speak about Homosexuality so I researched the scholars:

What do the scholars have to say about Romans Chapter 1? They all say it is Homosexuality being discussed. Since all of my debaters are without Bible degrees, they are sadly misinformed by those Homosexuals who wish to change what the Bible says because the majority of scholars do support the interpretation that Romans 1 has to do with Homosexuality. My debaters are misinformed..

“b. Abandoned to sexual perversion (1:26-27)
1:26-27. Also God gave them over to shameful lusts (lit., ‘passions of disgrace’). This involved, as the text states, both sexes engaging in homosexual instead of heterosexual relationships. Women deliberately exchanged natural relations (with men in marriage) for unnatural ones (with other women). This is the second ‘exchange’ the unregenerate made (cf. v.25). Men...were inflamed with lust (orexei,’sexual lust,’ used only here in the NT and differing from the more common word for lust in v.26).

The words translated women and men in these verses are the sexual words ‘females’ and ‘males.’ Contemporary homosexuals insist that these verses mean that it is perverse for a heterosexual male or female to engage in homosexual relations but it is not perverse for a homosexual male or female to do so since homosexuality is such a person’s natural preference. This is strained exegesis unsupported by the Bible. The only natural sexual relationship the Bible recognizes is a heterosexual one (Gen. 2:21-24; Matt. 19:4-6) within marriage. All homosexual relations constitute sexual perversion and are subject to God’s judgment. Such lustful and indecent acts have within them the seeds of punishment (due penalty).”-“The Bible Knowledge Commentary” (An Exposition of the Scriptures by Dallas Seminary Faculty, p.444.

“When the Bible declares that homosexual practices are ‘against nature’ (Rom. 1:26), it is referring to biological nature, not sociological nature. First, sex is defined biologically in Scripture from the very beginning. In Genesis 1, God created ‘male and female’ and then told them to ‘be fruitful and increase in number’ (Gen. 1:27-27, NIV). This reproduction was only possible if He was referring to a biological male and female.

“Second, sexual orientation is understood biologically, not sociologically, when God said ‘for this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh’ (Gen. 2:24, NIV. For only a biological father and mother can produce children, and the reference to ‘one flesh’ speaks of a physical marriage.

“Thirdly, the Romans passage says that ‘men committed indecent acts with other men.’ This clearly indicates that this sinful act was homosexual in nature (Rom. 1:27, NIV).
“Fourth, what they did was not natural to them. They ‘exchanged’ the ‘natural relations’ for the unnatural ones (Rom. 1:26, NIV). So the homosexual acts were pronounced unnatural for homosexuals too.

“Fifth, homosexual desires are also called ‘shameful lusts’ (v. 26, NIV). So it is evident that God is condemning sexual sins between those of the same biological sex. Homosexual acts are contrary to human nature as such, not just to a homosexual’s sexual orientation.”-“When Critics Ask” by Dr. Norman Geisler, p438-439

“Because they exchanged the real God for false gods, by way of temporary punishment they exchanged natural sexual intercourse for homosexuality. 25. Paul breaks out of the foul atmosphere of vice and idolatry into the fresh air of a doxology. 27. Perversion is their idolatry: Gk. plane (lit. ‘wandering’) is often used in the LXX.”-“The International Bible Commentary”, F.F. Bruce, General Editor, p.1320

“Long before this chapter was penned, the Lesbians and others throughout refined Greece had been luxuriating in such debasements;”-“Commentary On The Whole Bible” by Jamieson, Fausset and Brown, p.1142.

“Although today the world seeks to popularize and legitimize homosexuality, nevertheless it is despicable to God and condemned by Him.”-Liberty Bible Commentary, p.345

“Does the Bible really condemn homosexuality? The answer is yes, it does. In every place it mentions any homosexual practice it roundly condemns the practice. In no place does it speak positively on homosexuality.”-“Hard Sayings of the Bible” by Walter C. Kaiser Jr, Peter H. Davids, F.F. Bruce, Manfred T. Brauch, p.545



“What is true historically and theologically is in measure true, however, experientially. The ‘gay’ facade is a thin veil for deep-seated frustration. The folly of homosexuality is proclaimed in its inability to reproduce the human species in keeping with the divine commandment (Ge 1:28). To sum up, what people do with God has much to do with their personal character and lifestyle. Throughout the passage they are represented as actively choosing a religion and a lifestyle; they are not being taken captive against their will.”
-“Zondervan NIV Bible Commentary”, Volume 2: New Testament, p.528-529

“In my book Reasoning Through Romans, I define these sins,...”-“Thru The Bible Commentary”, Romans by Dr. J. Vernon McGeep.42

“I believe our text hints at the latter. In verse 27, Paul writes,’they receive in themselves that recompense of their error’ (verse 27). It could very well be that ‘the recompense of their error’ manifests itself in a chemical that affects the psychology of a person who practices this kind of error.

Homosexuality damages people psychologically. It changes who they are and what they could be. Knowing this, God says,’Stay away from it.’”-p.878, Jon Courson’s Application Commentary

 

[Chuckt]

The Bible says it's an abomination. True story

The Bible says eating pork is an abomination and yet practically all Christians disregard that. If the biblical rationale is to used you should also be looking to ban pork production and see pig eaters as morally deficient sinners, hated by God and rightfully shunned by decent society. You pick and choose what you will disregard and what you will be obedient to. Using the "God's commandment" argument is but an excuse unless you try to follow everything in the biblical law books to the letter.

LOL You're quoting Mosaic and Ceremonial law, done away with by the New Covenant.

That's my point, all the gay stuff is in the same books.

Homosexuality is condemned in the New Testament also. You won't win this one, best run along. Also the ban on eating pork was directed at the Jews,never the Gentiles

Really? Jesus condemned homosexuality in the NT? Where did he do that?

"Really? Jesus condemned homosexuality in the NT? Where did he do that?"

Matthew 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

So since God spoke out against Homosexuality in Leviticus and elsewhere, Jesus said the same thing as God and condemned homosexuality.

Matthew 4 Blue Letter Bible KJV - King James Version

 

[ninja007]

The Bible says it's an abomination. True story

The Bible says eating pork is an abomination and yet practically all Christians disregard that. If the biblical rationale is to used you should also be looking to ban pork production and see pig eaters as morally deficient sinners, hated by God and rightfully shunned by decent society. You pick and choose what you will disregard and what you will be obedient to. Using the "God's commandment" argument is but an excuse unless you try to follow everything in the biblical law books to the letter.

Colossians 2:16

 

[Avatar4321]

When did I say you were bad? I said you were wrong, in the sense that you present your beliefs as the "one true way" all Christians should view things. Explain what you believe all you like, as long as you understand that I didn't ask and I don't care. But at the point where you start trying to redefine ALL Christianity to conform to your perceptions, we have a problem.



The truth of the matter is that Christianity defines homosexual behavior as sinful. Agree with it or don't agree with it as you please. But understand that it's still true, regardless.

God explained it in genises. He gave Adam and eve free will to chose to sin. Same should be expected of a church.

How is stating that choices are wrong depriving anyone of free will?

I say Obama is wrong constantly. He still has the free will to do stupid things.

You have the right to say anything you want. When you start advocating laws that restrict others equal rights, you've gone too far.

No one is advocating for any laws by saying the Bible says sodomy is sinful.

You , nor anybody else on the right has been able to produce any substantial justification for their opposition to gay rights other than their personal religious beliefs that it is sinful. .

Sure cause all the healthy reasons both psychological and physical are non existent.

 

[Avatar4321]

God explained it in genises. He gave Adam and eve free will to chose to sin. Same should be expected of a church.

How is stating that choices are wrong depriving anyone of free will?

I say Obama is wrong constantly. He still has the free will to do stupid things.

You have the right to say anything you want. When you start advocating laws that restrict others equal rights, you've gone too far.

No one is advocating for any laws by saying the Bible says sodomy is sinful.

You , nor anybody else on the right has been able to produce any substantial justification for their opposition to gay rights other than their personal religious beliefs that it is sinful. .

Ok, I'm getting irritated. Too much repetitive information. Anybody that doesn't agree with this is a fing moron. Have a great day!

How about you try listening for a change then?

 

[Avatar4321]

We are on page 49 and the op still hasn't defended her statements.

I really didn't think the questions were that tough

 

[BULLDOG]

God explained it in genises. He gave Adam and eve free will to chose to sin. Same should be expected of a church.

How is stating that choices are wrong depriving anyone of free will?

I say Obama is wrong constantly. He still has the free will to do stupid things.

You have the right to say anything you want. When you start advocating laws that restrict others equal rights, you've gone too far.

No one is advocating for any laws by saying the Bible says sodomy is sinful.

You , nor anybody else on the right has been able to produce any substantial justification for their opposition to gay rights other than their personal religious beliefs that it is sinful. .

Sure cause all the healthy reasons both psychological and physical are non existent.

So you are really only concerned about their health, right? Perhaps you can give a link to where a gay person receiving his equal rights is harmful to his psyche.

 

[aris2chat]

It is alleged that Jesus might have spoken out about Homosexuality because that was God's position, He affirmed the Word of God (Matthew 4:4), and He claimed to be God which meant that His position was His Father which was God. I could give you more examples that are a given but I don't want to take up too much of your time.

Matthew 5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

http://www.blbclassic.org/Bible.cfm?b=Mat&c=5&t=KJV#conc/29

1.a member, limb: a member of the human body

1.of bodies given up to criminal intercourse, because they are as it were members belonging to the harlot's body

http://www.blbclassic.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G3196&t=KJV

1 Corinthians 6:15 (2nd part), of one who practices fornication.

-Vine's Expository Dictionary of Biblical Words

quoting paul not jesus

 

[aris2chat]

Paul chose two words in the New Testament that specify what the Old Testament meant from Leviticus 18.

Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [is] abomination.

1 Corinthians 6:9 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders

1 Corinthians 6:10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

homosexuals, g733 ἀρσενοκοίτης arsenokoitēs

The word for Homosexuals or “arsenokoitēs” is made up of two words. It is from ἄρρην (G730) and κοίτη (G2845).

G730 – arrēn means “male”. G2845 – koitē means “bed”.

So the term “nor homosexual offenders” means “nor male in bed” and is a reference to Leviticus 18:22.

Leviticus 18:22 "'Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable. (NIV)


Links:

BLB - Lev 18 Law of Moses - Leviticus 18 Blue Letter Bible KJV - King James Version

BLB - 1Co 6 Paul s Epistle - 1 Corinthians 6 Blue Letter Bible KJV - King James Version

Greek Lexicon G733 KJV

Greek Lexicon G730 KJV

Greek Lexicon G2845 KJV


Copyright Information, New International Version (NIV)


THE HOLY BIBLE, NEW INTERNATIONAL VERSION®, NIV®

Copyright © 1973, 1978, 1984 by International Bible Society®

Used by permission. All rights reserved worldwide.

Romans 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

Romans 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

Romans 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

Romans 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

Much of Paul's preaching was about celibacy, even in marriage.

 

[Chuckt]

Much of Paul's preaching was about celibacy, even in marriage.

Maybe you've been taught wrong?

King James Bible
The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife.

1 Corinthians 7 4 The wife does not have authority over her own body but yields it to her husband. In the same way the husband does not have authority over his own body but yields it to his wife.

New American Standard Bible
Stop depriving one another, except by agreement for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer, and come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.

1 Corinthians 7 5 Do not deprive each other except perhaps by mutual consent and for a time so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.

It is the usual thing for people in this forum to teach about the church without a proper Bible reference and it is wrong because a lot of you don't know what you are talking about and you all think you're experts but you are plain wrong just like atheists who don't believe in God but are going to hell because they choose to. You have it wrong.

 

[Chuckt]

It is alleged that Jesus might have spoken out about Homosexuality because that was God's position, He affirmed the Word of God (Matthew 4:4), and He claimed to be God which meant that His position was His Father which was God. I could give you more examples that are a given but I don't want to take up too much of your time.

Matthew 5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

http://www.blbclassic.org/Bible.cfm?b=Mat&c=5&t=KJV#conc/29

1.a member, limb: a member of the human body

1.of bodies given up to criminal intercourse, because they are as it were members belonging to the harlot's body

http://www.blbclassic.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G3196&t=KJV

1 Corinthians 6:15 (2nd part), of one who practices fornication.

-Vine's Expository Dictionary of Biblical Words

quoting paul not jesus

No. I quoted Jesus. The commentaries and dictionaries overshare.
Go to church and find out what it is about before you start telling other people who knows more.

 

[aris2chat]

Much of Paul's preaching was about celibacy, even in marriage.

Maybe you've been taught wrong?

King James Bible
The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife.

1 Corinthians 7 4 The wife does not have authority over her own body but yields it to her husband. In the same way the husband does not have authority over his own body but yields it to his wife.

New American Standard Bible
Stop depriving one another, except by agreement for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer, and come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.

1 Corinthians 7 5 Do not deprive each other except perhaps by mutual consent and for a time so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.

It is the usual thing for people in this forum to teach about the church without a proper Bible reference and it is wrong because a lot of you don't know what you are talking about and you all think you're experts but you are plain wrong just like atheists who don't believe in God but are going to hell because they choose to. You have it wrong.

Traditional Christian Ethics - David W. T. Brattston - Google Books

 

[Chuckt]

Much of Paul's preaching was about celibacy, even in marriage.

Maybe you've been taught wrong?

King James Bible
The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife.

1 Corinthians 7 4 The wife does not have authority over her own body but yields it to her husband. In the same way the husband does not have authority over his own body but yields it to his wife.

New American Standard Bible
Stop depriving one another, except by agreement for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer, and come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.

1 Corinthians 7 5 Do not deprive each other except perhaps by mutual consent and for a time so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.

It is the usual thing for people in this forum to teach about the church without a proper Bible reference and it is wrong because a lot of you don't know what you are talking about and you all think you're experts but you are plain wrong just like atheists who don't believe in God but are going to hell because they choose to. You have it wrong.

Traditional Christian Ethics - David W. T. Brattston - Google Books

Let me help you out:

1Ti 4:1 ¶ Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

God called "forbidding to marry" doctrines of devils. 1 Corinthians 7:4-5 says nothing of celibacy. You're following the doctrines of demons.

 

[aris2chat]

Much of Paul's preaching was about celibacy, even in marriage.

Maybe you've been taught wrong?

King James Bible
The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife.

1 Corinthians 7 4 The wife does not have authority over her own body but yields it to her husband. In the same way the husband does not have authority over his own body but yields it to his wife.

New American Standard Bible
Stop depriving one another, except by agreement for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer, and come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.

1 Corinthians 7 5 Do not deprive each other except perhaps by mutual consent and for a time so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.

It is the usual thing for people in this forum to teach about the church without a proper Bible reference and it is wrong because a lot of you don't know what you are talking about and you all think you're experts but you are plain wrong just like atheists who don't believe in God but are going to hell because they choose to. You have it wrong.

Traditional Christian Ethics - David W. T. Brattston - Google Books

Let me help you out:

1Ti 4:1 ¶ Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

God called "forbidding to marry" doctrines of devils. 1 Corinthians 7:4-5 says nothing of celibacy. You're following the doctrines of demons.

 

[Chuckt]

Much of Paul's preaching was about celibacy, even in marriage.

Maybe you've been taught wrong?

King James Bible
The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife.

1 Corinthians 7 4 The wife does not have authority over her own body but yields it to her husband. In the same way the husband does not have authority over his own body but yields it to his wife.

New American Standard Bible
Stop depriving one another, except by agreement for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer, and come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.

1 Corinthians 7 5 Do not deprive each other except perhaps by mutual consent and for a time so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.

It is the usual thing for people in this forum to teach about the church without a proper Bible reference and it is wrong because a lot of you don't know what you are talking about and you all think you're experts but you are plain wrong just like atheists who don't believe in God but are going to hell because they choose to. You have it wrong.

Traditional Christian Ethics - David W. T. Brattston - Google Books

Let me help you out:

1Ti 4:1 ¶ Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

God called "forbidding to marry" doctrines of devils. 1 Corinthians 7:4-5 says nothing of celibacy. You're following the doctrines of demons.

View attachment 42547

He is a sabbitarian which is a heresy and makes him a heretic. The fact that he writes books on Christian ethics instead of theology and Bible puts him outside of orthodoxy.

 

[aris2chat]

Much of Paul's preaching was about celibacy, even in marriage.

Maybe you've been taught wrong?

King James Bible
The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife.

1 Corinthians 7 4 The wife does not have authority over her own body but yields it to her husband. In the same way the husband does not have authority over his own body but yields it to his wife.

New American Standard Bible
Stop depriving one another, except by agreement for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer, and come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.

1 Corinthians 7 5 Do not deprive each other except perhaps by mutual consent and for a time so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.

It is the usual thing for people in this forum to teach about the church without a proper Bible reference and it is wrong because a lot of you don't know what you are talking about and you all think you're experts but you are plain wrong just like atheists who don't believe in God but are going to hell because they choose to. You have it wrong.

Traditional Christian Ethics - David W. T. Brattston - Google Books

Let me help you out:

1Ti 4:1 ¶ Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

God called "forbidding to marry" doctrines of devils. 1 Corinthians 7:4-5 says nothing of celibacy. You're following the doctrines of demons.

View attachment 42547

He is a sabbitarian which is a heresy and makes him a heretic. The fact that he writes books on Christian ethics instead of theology and Bible puts him outside of orthodoxy.

The Book of Acts in Its Ancient Literary Setting Book of Acts in Its First Century Setting Winter Clark 9780802824332 Amazon.com Books

Bruce Winter is the director of the Institute of Early Christianity in the Graeco-Roman World, a fellow of St. Edmund’s College, and a member of the divinity faculty at the University of Cambridge

 

[Chuckt]

Maybe you've been taught wrong?

King James Bible
The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife.

1 Corinthians 7 4 The wife does not have authority over her own body but yields it to her husband. In the same way the husband does not have authority over his own body but yields it to his wife.

New American Standard Bible
Stop depriving one another, except by agreement for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer, and come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.

1 Corinthians 7 5 Do not deprive each other except perhaps by mutual consent and for a time so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.

It is the usual thing for people in this forum to teach about the church without a proper Bible reference and it is wrong because a lot of you don't know what you are talking about and you all think you're experts but you are plain wrong just like atheists who don't believe in God but are going to hell because they choose to. You have it wrong.

Traditional Christian Ethics - David W. T. Brattston - Google Books

Let me help you out:

1Ti 4:1 ¶ Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

God called "forbidding to marry" doctrines of devils. 1 Corinthians 7:4-5 says nothing of celibacy. You're following the doctrines of demons.

View attachment 42547

He is a sabbitarian which is a heresy and makes him a heretic. The fact that he writes books on Christian ethics instead of theology and Bible puts him outside of orthodoxy.

The Book of Acts in Its Ancient Literary Setting Book of Acts in Its First Century Setting Winter Clark 9780802824332 Amazon.com Books

Bruce Winter is the director of the Institute of Early Christianity in the Graeco-Roman World, a fellow of St. Edmund’s College, and a member of the divinity faculty at the University of Cambridge

So what? I don't respect that college.
Not everyone that says Lord Lord will enter the kingdom of heaven and you are trusting in people who say the opposite of what the Bible says so their words are sand and God's word is the rock.

 

[Avatar4321]

How is stating that choices are wrong depriving anyone of free will?

I say Obama is wrong constantly. He still has the free will to do stupid things.

You have the right to say anything you want. When you start advocating laws that restrict others equal rights, you've gone too far.

No one is advocating for any laws by saying the Bible says sodomy is sinful.

You , nor anybody else on the right has been able to produce any substantial justification for their opposition to gay rights other than their personal religious beliefs that it is sinful. .

Sure cause all the healthy reasons both psychological and physical are non existent.

So you are really only concerned about their health, right? Perhaps you can give a link to where a gay person receiving his equal rights is harmful to his psyche.

Maybe you can tell me why the government has to completely redefine marriage for gays to have rights.

And since when does the government have the power to create rights anyway?