CDZ What Good Have Whites Done for the World?

[JimBowie1958]

Much as I would like to provide an in depth reply, I am reticent to do so because the tone of your opening and closing statements suggest this thread has been created to entreat a discursive imbroglio.

Not at all, but you bring with you what experiences and values systems that you have acquired before this thread.

I know young people that think 'whites are losers' and it is due to the constant hammering whites get in the media 24/7, without the slightest apology or empathy.

Why cant we discuss the good things whites have done without preceding it with an apology to nonwhites?

Nobody in their right might denies that numerous white individuals have provided all manners and copious positive contributions to humanity. The matter of derisive comments about "white people" rests not on individual accomplishments but on rather on the impact modern era whites have had on the planet and on other people.

That is simply not true. I have met at least a dozen people who honestly believe that everything whites have done/made/invented was actually stolen from some nonwhites and have never invented anything or done anything positive for humanity what so ever.

There is no question too that in the United States the decried acts -- most notably slavery and its impacts -- were conducted on the whole in the interest of ensuring the supremacy of whites over non-whites.

No, that is not true at all. It was done to acquire profit and wealth, and before blacks were enslaved whites were enslaved, such as the Irish by Cromwell and the Europeans enslaved by Barbary pirates.

Also a good many free blacks in the US owned slaves themselves, in fact some of the largest slave farms were black owned.

Slavery was not a racial institution, though some nit-wits used racial stereotypes to justify slavery of blacks, just like the English used ethnic stereotypes to justify the enslavement of the Irish.

The institution of slavery may have begun as an economic and religiously driven thing, but it evolved by the 19th century into a ethic superiority thing.

In the view of some, no doubt, but then why did so many whites fight a war in overwhelming numbers to end slavery then if it was strictly a racial exploitation of nonwhites?

That remnants of the attitudes set down from the 1700s to the late 1900s continue to shape the thinking of individuals to day is the problem. Plantation owners of the pre-Civil War era were people of their time. You and I are of our time. The thing of which folks gripe these days is now that it's been clearly shown that whiteness confers not natural advantages, other than perhaps being somewhat better suited to less sunny climes, it is unjust to continue to harbor and allow to color (no pun) our attitudes about race. Of the three races on the planet, the only one that for hundreds of years harbored the hubris of self-supremacy over the other two has been the white race, Caucasians.

That is not true either. Most Koreans and Japanese I have met were all racist, by our standards, both thinking that their race was naturally superior to the rest of the world. The one Chinese man I knew, actually from China, for about 9 months was a blatant racist and despised Americans as mongrels and moral degenerates.

Most blacks I have met subscribe to the idea that they are racially superior to whites, and we got our advantage over them by having stolen so much technology from other groups that we overpowered them with it and enslaved them to contain the threat of a 'black planet', lol.

Does that apply to all whites? Of course not. But that's the thing. White folks have, in the course of their dominance on the planet, created a global culture where people were ranked based on racial composition.

We created the global culture? lol, I doubt that. Wearing a Western suit and tie does not equate to adopting Western culture.

I don't happen to believe that in the early years of Western Civilization's rise there was a deliberate "white vs. black vs. Asian" aspect to that happening, but it sure did come to be just that.

Again, I think the colonization period was driven by most European nations to get there and plant the flag before some other European nation did.

I dont see any evidence that it was due to whites hating minorities so much as whites hating, fearing and distrusting other whites, a hatred and fear that purged itself, God Willing, in the two past world wars.

 

[D Truth]

Much as I would like to provide an in depth reply, I am reticent to do so because the tone of your opening and closing statements suggest this thread has been created to entreat a discursive imbroglio.

Not at all, but you bring with you what experiences and values systems that you have acquired before this thread.

I know young people that think 'whites are losers' and it is due to the constant hammering whites get in the media 24/7, without the slightest apology or empathy.

Why cant we discuss the good things whites have done without preceding it with an apology to nonwhites?

Nobody in their right might denies that numerous white individuals have provided all manners and copious positive contributions to humanity. The matter of derisive comments about "white people" rests not on individual accomplishments but on rather on the impact modern era whites have had on the planet and on other people.

That is simply not true. I have met at least a dozen people who honestly believe that everything whites have done/made/invented was actually stolen from some nonwhites and have never invented anything or done anything positive for humanity what so ever.

There is no question too that in the United States the decried acts -- most notably slavery and its impacts -- were conducted on the whole in the interest of ensuring the supremacy of whites over non-whites.

No, that is not true at all. It was done to acquire profit and wealth, and before blacks were enslaved whites were enslaved, such as the Irish by Cromwell and the Europeans enslaved by Barbary pirates.

Also a good many free blacks in the US owned slaves themselves, in fact some of the largest slave farms were black owned.

Slavery was not a racial institution, though some nit-wits used racial stereotypes to justify slavery of blacks, just like the English used ethnic stereotypes to justify the enslavement of the Irish.

The institution of slavery may have begun as an economic and religiously driven thing, but it evolved by the 19th century into a ethic superiority thing.

In the view of some, no doubt, but then why did so many whites fight a war in overwhelming numbers to end slavery then if it was strictly a racial exploitation of nonwhites?

That remnants of the attitudes set down from the 1700s to the late 1900s continue to shape the thinking of individuals to day is the problem. Plantation owners of the pre-Civil War era were people of their time. You and I are of our time. The thing of which folks gripe these days is now that it's been clearly shown that whiteness confers not natural advantages, other than perhaps being somewhat better suited to less sunny climes, it is unjust to continue to harbor and allow to color (no pun) our attitudes about race. Of the three races on the planet, the only one that for hundreds of years harbored the hubris of self-supremacy over the other two has been the white race, Caucasians.

That is not true either. Most Koreans and Japanese I have met were all racist, by our standards, both thinking that their race was naturally superior to the rest of the world. The one Chinese man I knew, actually from China, for about 9 months was a blatant racist and despised Americans as mongrels and moral degenerates.

Most blacks I have met subscribe to the idea that they are racially superior to whites, and we got our advantage over them by having stolen so much technology from other groups that we overpowered them with it and enslaved them to contain the threat of a 'black planet', lol.

Does that apply to all whites? Of course not. But that's the thing. White folks have, in the course of their dominance on the planet, created a global culture where people were ranked based on racial composition.

We created the global culture? lol, I doubt that. Wearing a Western suit and tie does not equate to adopting Western culture.

I don't happen to believe that in the early years of Western Civilization's rise there was a deliberate "white vs. black vs. Asian" aspect to that happening, but it sure did come to be just that.

Again, I think the colonization period was driven by most European nations to get there and plant the flag before some other European nation did.

I dont see any evidence that it was due to whites hating minorities so much as whites hating, fearing and distrusting other whites, a hatred and fear that purged itself, God Willing, in the two past world wars.

At the risk of ad hominism...
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Reading these sort of comments almost makes one believe the asinine "race is a construct" bullshit.

Muh whiteness, muh blackness, muh asianess?!?
Really?
There are like somewhere between 18 to 8000 different haplotypes or races!
Get over yourselves, seriously.

A person of ignorance would suggest that there are only 3 races.
An XX would suggest that one particular race is trying to conquer the other 7999 (or 2, XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX).

Simple logic.
People don't act as a "race". They act as individuals. Sure enough an individual will try to extort, exploit or whatever... anyone else, regardless of race.


Yes, it is a fact that in American/NWO "culture", White people are denigrated and targeted for genocide. It's not as hard as you would think to counter. If it is that big of a deal to you... have White kids!, raise them to be happy to be White, then we all live our lives. Freedom of association is cool like that (not to mention a huge biological advantage the human species gets to enjoy for a little while). Same goes for any other individual of a race who thinks "the man" is out to get them.

Nothing defeats the genocidal maniac more than simply prolonging your race by having children that are of your race (if you must think of it that way). You are able to twist the knife into their triggered heart all the more by raising your kids to be happy with how God made them. Seriously, that is the thing those parasites hate the most! And it is so easy, acheivable, and fun to do!

This image represents the greatest defeat to the "we all should be one race" genocidal psychopaths:

...Soooo much more then the "muh whiteness is awesome" ever will be able to do.

For Chrissakes! We are different for a reason, from racial to individual, ENJOY IT!!!

 

[Sbiker]

Then you have the folks who inexplicably think that everything whites have made was stolen from someone else. Even some conservatives I talk to today think this nonsense is true

When James Watt got the drawing of steam engine during his job in St.Petersburg patent office - was it a case of stolen idea, or just internal deal of white people? ))

 

[JimBowie1958]

At the risk of ad hominism...
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Reading these sort of comments almost makes one believe the asinine "race is a construct" bullshit.

Race is a construct, dude, as there is almost zero evidence for any one set of genetic markers separating us into different races more than any other arbitrary set.

Racial categories are used purely for one reason alone; the visuals and that is all. Well that and the government forcing them on everyone.

There are like somewhere between 18 to 8000 different haplotypes or races!
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.

IF such proponents exist then they are a tiny minority. Care to provide a link, XXXX?

A person of ignorance would suggest that there are only 3 races.
An idiot would suggest that one particular race is trying to conquer the other 7999 (or 2, XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX).

You come into this discussion making wild claims with no evidence and calling everyone else idiots.

Doesnt sound like a wise man exactly.

Simple logic.
People don't act as a "race". They act as individuals. Sure enough an individual will try to extort, exploit or whatever... anyone else, regardless of race.

People certainly do act as a race, especially when the government forces them to.

Every day minorities in this country set up anti-white groups, spread anti-white propaganda, and then someone like you comes along and sideswipes any pro-white discussion with nonsense like what you have posted here.

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[JimBowie1958]

When James Watt got the drawing of steam engine during his job in St.Petersburg patent office - was it a case of stolen idea, or just internal deal of white people? ))

James Watt did not invent the steam engine, he simply improved the efficiency of the engine by adding a condenser.

What evidence is there that he ever worked in the patent office in St Petersburg?

And yes, if he did actually steal that patent, like Bell stole the telephone, it would be a case of internal racial 'theft', but I dont buy that whole concept. Ideas natural move from nation to nation and it is not theft, it is mimicking at worst, a.k.a. learning at best.

 

[Sbiker]

When James Watt got the drawing of steam engine during his job in St.Petersburg patent office - was it a case of stolen idea, or just internal deal of white people? ))

James Watt did not invent the steam engine, he simply improved the efficiency of the engine by adding a condenser.

What evidence is there that he ever worked in the patent office in St Petersburg?

And yes, if he did actually steal that patent, like Bell stole the telephone, it would be a case of internal racial 'theft', but I dont buy that whole concept. Ideas natural move from nation to nation and it is not theft, it is mimicking at worst, a.k.a. learning at best.

7 inventions that we (Russia) lost patent by @cutsiy

But my question wasn't so simple. At one side, biology and color of skin has greatly less influence at the mind specific, than culture (in family, in society etc...).
But in other side, in macro-scale the specifics of culture is really depend from biological specifics of people...

 

[JimBowie1958]

When James Watt got the drawing of steam engine during his job in St.Petersburg patent office - was it a case of stolen idea, or just internal deal of white people? ))

James Watt did not invent the steam engine, he simply improved the efficiency of the engine by adding a condenser.

What evidence is there that he ever worked in the patent office in St Petersburg?

And yes, if he did actually steal that patent, like Bell stole the telephone, it would be a case of internal racial 'theft', but I dont buy that whole concept. Ideas natural move from nation to nation and it is not theft, it is mimicking at worst, a.k.a. learning at best.

7 inventions that we (Russia) lost patent by @cutsiy

But my question wasn't so simple. At one side, biology and color of skin has greatly less influence at the mind specific, than culture (in family, in society etc...).
But in other side, in macro-scale the specifics of culture is really depend from biological specifics of people...

Dude those are not primary sources or even publicly recognized news outlets; just some blog.

 

[Muhammed]

The funny thing about supremacists, of any color, is that they've never contributed anything to their race. What have the supremacists in this thread invented? Absolutely nothing. But for some reason, they feel they can claim credit for the hard work of people they will never know just because they have a similar amount of melanin in their skin?

Very weird

Who mentioned melanin besides you?

 

[320 Years of History]

Before I address some of your specific remarks, I must point out that a lot of your comments in reply to my earlier post are based upon your own observations. Time and again you write "I know," or "I have met," or something similar, yet not once do you show that your personal experiences, along with the feelings and beliefs held by the folks to whom you refer, are legitimately extrapolatable to society at large, that they are the norm that is experienced by most or a plurality of people in United States, or other parts of the world. Not once do you show that there exists a causal relationship between what you've observed and the things you cite as being the cause of those observations.

I point that out because every time I read one of you "I know..." statements, the thought that came to my mind I that I don't know and have never met -- not as a child, not as a teenager, not as a young adult, not as a young professional, and not as an adult soon to retire -- so much as one person who genuinely believes the things you attribute to the folks you've described. So what I'm asking of you is that you please present some credible, scholarly (peer reviewed) published evidence that indicates the things you've observed are worth anyone -- you, I and others -- accepting them as anything more than your having met and spoken with a bunch of dolts, dunces and mental midgets.

...

I know young people that think 'whites are losers' and it is due to the constant hammering whites get in the media 24/7, without the slightest apology or empathy.

Why cant we discuss the good things whites have done without preceding it with an apology to nonwhites?

Red:
(See post opening paragraphs.)

Blue:
Over 2000 years ago, a white man, Plato, wrote a book called the Republic. In it he presents the "Allegory of the Cave." That story speaks of people who are chained to a cave wall, and as a result, their sole understanding of reality is given by the shadows they observe on the cave wall. It is only upon being freed from the cave that they, like any would be philosopher, thinker, come to understand that their reality comprised of shadows is not at all the verity of what is. If by "we" you mean society, the general public, I heartily suggest you unchain yourself from the cave walls that limit your perception of the world and step out into a bookstore, library, or even bother to use Google Scholar, or just plain Google for that matter.

For at least the past 100 years, literally millions of people, from middle schoolers to PhDs, have written essays, papers and books that discuss the accomplishments of thousands and thousands of white individuals. For example, I once wrote a paper about the brilliance in two of Van Dyke's paintings. Arnold Toynbee wrote scores of books about the deeds of many white individuals, and others have written biographies of Mr. Toynbee. Indeed, the biography section of any bookstore or library is loaded with books that discuss the accomplishments of myriad white individuals, some well known and some not.

When you studied European and American history in school, were not the overwhelming majority of individuals noted white? We we learn of the great accomplishments in science, are the individuals who created them not white? In fact, as I write this, the only non-white scientist who readily comes to my mind is Dr. Charles Drew. When I think of the major names in economics, not one of them belongs to a non-white individual. I can rattle off the names of some hundred or more kings and queens in history, and the only non-white one that rolls off the tip of my tongue is Montezuma, although pressed as I typed I recalled Shaka Zulu.

One doesn't find much in Internet forums (hardly the most intellectually driven venues of discourse) about the accomplishments of white folks as a whole because every day those accomplishments exist clear and present in our lives. Turn on the light and you have Tesla and Edison. Get in a car and credit Karl Benz. Attend any sporting event and Francis Scott Key is right there with you. Think of the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution of the United States and a score of white men are the reason you can.

Why do we not mention these people by name everyday? Quite simply, there is no need to. It would take incomprehensible amounts of ignorance to think that so much of what we experience every day didn't issue from the minds of white men and women. In short, what you're decrying is that people don't routinely sit around and state the obvious, extolling the virtuous achievements of history's white individuals.

Moreover, you're suggesting tacitly that people create what amounts to a daily/weekly "mutual admiration moment" for white individuals' virtuous accomplishments. Well, let me tell you something. Were history's figures, white an non-white, to have focused their thoughts and energies on "oh, how great we white guys are," they wouldn't have had the time to think about how to solve the problems they did that allow you and I today to drive cars, type on computers, use the Internet, send text messages, enjoy eggs Benedict, and a host of other things. You see, humanity, white, black, and yellow, advances when people invest their energies in solving problems, not when they sit around and pat themselves on the back for the problems they've already conquered. Janet Jackson, who is not a white person, made that clear when she asked, "What have you done for me lately?"

There is no question too that in the United States the decried acts -- most notably slavery and its impacts -- were conducted on the whole in the interest of ensuring the supremacy of whites over non-whites.

No, that is not true at all. It was done to acquire profit and wealth, and before blacks were enslaved whites were enslaved, such as the Irish by Cromwell and the Europeans enslaved by Barbary pirates.

Also a good many free blacks in the US owned slaves themselves, in fact some of the largest slave farms were black owned.

Slavery was not a racial institution, though some nit-wits used racial stereotypes to justify slavery of blacks, just like the English used ethnic stereotypes to justify the enslavement of the Irish.

Red:
Are you seriously going to attempt to argue that wealth is not a powerful, the most powerful, tool for establishing and maintaining one's supremacy over others? Or are you merely taking exception semantically with my statement? If the latter, I direct you to the "and it's impacts" component of my statement.

In your statement highlighted in red, we see another illustration of one's need to unchain oneself from the cave, get out and read more.

• http://scholarcommons.sc.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1063&context=hist_facpub
  
• White Supremacy: Exploring the Contours of Race and Power in America
  
• Where White Privilege Came From
  
• Race in North America
  
• https://caringlabor.files.wordpress...-the-making-of-the-american-working-class.pdf

The institution of slavery may have begun as an economic and religiously driven thing, but it evolved by the 19th century into a ethic superiority thing.

In the view of some, no doubt, but then why did so many whites fight a war in overwhelming numbers to end slavery then if it was strictly a racial exploitation of nonwhites?

Merely having a fair degree of rectitude on the matter is more than ample as a reason why. Might not too being opposed to the idea of a nation splitting been enough? Once again, I suggest you read more.

• http://www.amazon.com/History-Ameri...ment-Illustrating/dp/081533625X&tag=ff0d01-20 or History of the American Abolitionist Movement: A Collection of Scholarly Articles Illustrating Its History - pdf, download, ebook
  
• The Abolitionists: The Abolition of Slavery Project
  
• Why Non-Slaveholding Southerners Fought
  
• Untitled Document

That remnants of the attitudes set down from the 1700s to the late 1900s continue to shape the thinking of individuals to day is the problem. Plantation owners of the pre-Civil War era were people of their time. You and I are of our time. The thing of which folks gripe these days is now that it's been clearly shown that whiteness confers not natural advantages, other than perhaps being somewhat better suited to less sunny climes, it is unjust to continue to harbor and allow to color (no pun) our attitudes about race. Of the three races on the planet, the only one that for hundreds of years harbored the hubris of self-supremacy over the other two has been the white race, Caucasians.

That is not true either. Most Koreans and Japanese I have met were all racist, by our standards, both thinking that their race was naturally superior to the rest of the world. The one Chinese man I knew, actually from China, for about 9 months was a blatant racist and despised Americans as mongrels and moral degenerates.

Most blacks I have met subscribe to the idea that they are racially superior to whites, and we got our advantage over them by having stolen so much technology from other groups that we overpowered them with it and enslaved them to contain the threat of a 'black planet', lol.

Red:
Once again, you really need to read/get-out more. I have a good deal of experience with a limited quantity of Japanese people, having worked in Tokyo off and on for six month to one year stretches over the past score of years. I cannot attest personally to the social attitudes I've observed as being present in all Japanese, or even most Japanese, but I can say that I've seen expressions of xenophobia among Japanese. I would characterize the attitudes I've observed as a disdain for all things and people not Japanese. I haven't seen anything suggesting it's the same as the express dislike of blacks that many whites in pre-21st century America had. I have not seen any evidence of racism. On the matter of xenophobia, more than a few observers and writers have discussed it.

• Japan's Xenophobia Problem
  
• The Asahi Shimbun Culture Research Center , "Japan's Entrenched Discrimination Toward Foreigners"

It is worth noting that xenophobic attitudes and racism are not the same things, although fear is a factor in both. (Difference Between Xenophobia and Racism | Difference Between | Xenophobia vs Racism) The only culture toward which I think the Japanese have held racist attitudes is the Korean one. I don't know many Koreans and I haven't studied their culture. I also don't know the extent to which today Japanese, on the whole, despise Koreans.

One thing that is very clearly different is that what we experience(ed) in America is racially based. It was and, to the extent it's extant now, remains a thing between people of Caucasian extraction and Negroid extraction. The same cannot be said of the Japanese, nor about the disdain harbored by people of a great many other peoples. The animosity between Greeks and Turks, the English and the Normans, Serbs and Croats, for example are all ethnic or nationality oriented. They have nothing to do with race.

Blue:
Here again, I can only offer that you need to expand your knowledge and experience base. As goes your comment above, you'll need to demonstrate that the observations you have made in connection with the black folks whom you've met is palpably shared by a plurality or majority of blacks. If you are able to demonstrate such a general belief among blacks, you'd be able also to make a good argument that blacks feelings about themselves has changed dramatically since Brown v. Board of Education. (http://www.amazon.com/Simple-Justice-Education-Americas-Struggle/dp/1400030617&tag=ff0d01-20)

Nobody in their right might denies that numerous white individuals have provided all manners and copious positive contributions to humanity. The matter of derisive comments about "white people" rests not on individual accomplishments but on rather on the impact modern era whites have had on the planet and on other people.

That is simply not true. I have met at least a dozen people who honestly believe that everything whites have done/made/invented was actually stolen from some nonwhites and have never invented anything or done anything positive for humanity what so ever.

I have no basis for saying you have not met such individuals. Insofar as you have, I can only say with surety that you need not be alone when you visit the library.

 

[Sbiker]

When James Watt got the drawing of steam engine during his job in St.Petersburg patent office - was it a case of stolen idea, or just internal deal of white people? ))

James Watt did not invent the steam engine, he simply improved the efficiency of the engine by adding a condenser.

What evidence is there that he ever worked in the patent office in St Petersburg?

And yes, if he did actually steal that patent, like Bell stole the telephone, it would be a case of internal racial 'theft', but I dont buy that whole concept. Ideas natural move from nation to nation and it is not theft, it is mimicking at worst, a.k.a. learning at best.

7 inventions that we (Russia) lost patent by @cutsiy

But my question wasn't so simple. At one side, biology and color of skin has greatly less influence at the mind specific, than culture (in family, in society etc...).
But in other side, in macro-scale the specifics of culture is really depend from biological specifics of people...

Dude those are not primary sources or even publicly recognized news outlets; just some blog.

It's very interesting - info about Watt in Barnaul exist only in Russian-language sources... Ok, it was coincidence - independent invention of 2-cylinder engine after a few years of it's invention somewhere far beyond... ))))

 

[JimBowie1958]

It's very interesting - info about Watt in Barnaul exist only in Russian-language sources... Ok, it was coincidence - independent invention of 2-cylinder engine after a few years of it's invention somewhere far beyond... ))))

I guess so as there is no record of James Watt living in St Petersburg and he had a long pedigree of working on improving the prior version of the steam engine, whose name I cannot recall.

And whats the point of the matter anyway? Is Russia so short of inventions people have to come up with conspiracy theories to garner more laurels?

No, Russia has a long history of scientific achievement without quibbling over the steam engine.

 

[Sbiker]

It's very interesting - info about Watt in Barnaul exist only in Russian-language sources... Ok, it was coincidence - independent invention of 2-cylinder engine after a few years of it's invention somewhere far beyond... ))))

I guess so as there is no record of James Watt living in St Petersburg and he had a long pedigree of working on improving the prior version of the steam engine, whose name I cannot recall.

And whats the point of the matter anyway? Is Russia so short of inventions people have to come up with conspiracy theories to garner more laurels?

No, Russia has a long history of scientific achievement without quibbling over the steam engine.

Polzunov's engine real exist and was built about 20 years before Watt's - it' a fact, the question to discuss - did Watt knew about this engine principle, or invented it independently?

The problem of Russia is opposite - a lot of inventions but a few mass using of them here. So, Russian inventors are really need all Western world to advance and improve their inventions. But Western society so frequently "forgetting" their priority and authors rights... Now not only Western - did you heared about attempt of Chinese mathematicians to steal the priority of Perelman in his affirmation of Poincaré conjecture? ))

 

[JimBowie1958]

It's very interesting - info about Watt in Barnaul exist only in Russian-language sources... Ok, it was coincidence - independent invention of 2-cylinder engine after a few years of it's invention somewhere far beyond... ))))

I guess so as there is no record of James Watt living in St Petersburg and he had a long pedigree of working on improving the prior version of the steam engine, whose name I cannot recall.

And whats the point of the matter anyway? Is Russia so short of inventions people have to come up with conspiracy theories to garner more laurels?

No, Russia has a long history of scientific achievement without quibbling over the steam engine.

Polzunov's engine real exist and was built about 20 years before Watt's - it' a fact, the question to discuss - did Watt knew about this engine principle, or invented it independently?

The problem of Russia is opposite - a lot of inventions but a few mass using of them here. So, Russian inventors are really need all Western world to advance and improve their inventions. But Western society so frequently "forgetting" their priority and authors rights... Now not only Western - did you heared about attempt of Chinese mathematicians to steal the priority of Perelman in his affirmation of Poincaré conjecture? ))

Got a link to data on Polzunov's engine?

 

[Sbiker]

It's very interesting - info about Watt in Barnaul exist only in Russian-language sources... Ok, it was coincidence - independent invention of 2-cylinder engine after a few years of it's invention somewhere far beyond... ))))

I guess so as there is no record of James Watt living in St Petersburg and he had a long pedigree of working on improving the prior version of the steam engine, whose name I cannot recall.

And whats the point of the matter anyway? Is Russia so short of inventions people have to come up with conspiracy theories to garner more laurels?

No, Russia has a long history of scientific achievement without quibbling over the steam engine.

Polzunov's engine real exist and was built about 20 years before Watt's - it' a fact, the question to discuss - did Watt knew about this engine principle, or invented it independently?

The problem of Russia is opposite - a lot of inventions but a few mass using of them here. So, Russian inventors are really need all Western world to advance and improve their inventions. But Western society so frequently "forgetting" their priority and authors rights... Now not only Western - did you heared about attempt of Chinese mathematicians to steal the priority of Perelman in his affirmation of Poincaré conjecture? ))

Got a link to data on Polzunov's engine?

Ivan Polzunov - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[JimBowie1958]

Ivan Polzunov - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Polzunov seems to ahve made a different kind of improvement on the steam engine than Watt made. Polzunov separated the cylinders for the engine into two different cylinders, while Watt's improvement was in how the condensation was stored and the cold water run off into its own sink, keeping it from cooling the heated cylinder.

But frankly, we have a cultural preference to promote as heroes our own nationalities.

 

[D Truth]

At the risk of ad hominism...
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Reading these sort of comments almost makes one believe the asinine "race is a construct" bullshit.

Race is a construct, dude, as there is almost zero evidence for any one set of genetic markers separating us into different races more than any other arbitrary set.

Racial categories are used purely for one reason alone; the visuals and that is all. Well that and the government forcing them on everyone.

There are like somewhere between 18 to 8000 different haplotypes or races!
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.

IF such proponents exist then they are a tiny minority. Care to provide a link, XXXX?

A person of ignorance would suggest that there are only 3 races.
An idiot would suggest that one particular race is trying to conquer the other 7999 (or 2, XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX).

You come into this discussion making wild claims with no evidence and calling everyone else idiots.

Doesnt sound like a wise man exactly.

Simple logic.
People don't act as a "race". They act as individuals. Sure enough an individual will try to extort, exploit or whatever... anyone else, regardless of race.

People certainly do act as a race, especially when the government forces them to.

Every day minorities in this country set up anti-white groups, spread anti-white propaganda, and then someone like you comes along and sideswipes any pro-white discussion with nonsense like what you have posted here.

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Um yeah...
Haplotype - Glossary Entry - Genetics Home Reference

So since this is clean debate, probably no point in calling anyone a shill... still...

If you think there is no such thing as "race", then what are you really bitching about?
Is it just that time of the month?

 

[JimBowie1958]

If you think there is no such thing as "race", then what are you really bitching about?

Race is a construct, it is not some object. It is a categorization of various human characteristics that are used as markers for groups of people, kind of like talking about cars based on their paint color instead of make and model.

But still it is an enforced categorization by the government.

And none of us really have a choice about it in the courts of our land. If you are a white male, you have an inferior standing in court now as the minority point of view defines any case against you filed by a minority person. The old 'reasonable person' standard does not apply in these cases any more but the 'reasonable minority' is the new standard.

So it isnt enough to prove that any normal man wouldnt have understood your joke to be a sexist comment; the perspective of the woman is all that counts, and the same goes with blacks, hispanics, Muslims, you name it.

So like it or not, if you are white, then you have an inferior standing in our courts of law. Our histories are taught making you the bad guy. Our entertainment networks make you the constant whipping boy, the chump the clown in every sit come, movie, song or TV series because you are the only safe target.

That is why, Sherlock

 

[D Truth]

Race is a biological reality. To argue otherwise is to side with the very "government" you are are bitching about. Understand? Or are you willing to give up the very language in which you are bitching in?

Oh the shilling... shouldn't it in and of itself be banned from clean debate?

 

[JimBowie1958]

Race is a biological reality.

No the characteristics arbitrarily assigned to race is biological reality. Why those particular traits were chosen is historical accident.

For example, the Japanese and Manchurians were given higher regard for being 'white' ASians, and their organizational skills were attributed to their whiteness. That's just bullshit.

To argue otherwise is to side with the very "government" you are are bitching about. Understand?

No, I dont understand because I am in disagreement with the governments use of race for any matter of law.

Or are you willing to give up the very language in which you are bitching in?

Language has nothing to do with race, Sherlock.

Oh the shilling... shouldn't it in and of itself be banned from clean debate?

Dont know what you are referring to, please clarify.

 

[320 Years of History]

Race is a biological reality. To argue otherwise is to side with the very "government" you are are bitching about. Understand? Or are you willing to give up the very language in which you are bitching in?

Oh the shilling... shouldn't it in and of itself be banned from clean debate?

There are biological differences among the races. I don't think that any of them matter in the context we discuss here.

Red:
Why should you, I, or anyone give a damn about what language we use to communicate? Are you really intimating, as it seems to me from your post, that one's unwillingness or distaste for learning a different language is a good reason for having any sort of race-related animosity?

Language is merely a tool, one for which the point of it is to communicate effectively. Sure it's initially easiest to do that in the language one already knows, but at some point someone's got to be multilingual, otherwise there's little to no communication.