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Not really. Because in the end, a man just pays child support.
Sorry, DS. That train has left the station. If Roe is reversed, then the states decide, and several states will never outlaw abortion, which means that a woman can simply have it done in those states. Or, they can stay in Louisiana and have a D&C. Or, they can order new OTC drugs available by mail from Europe with which she can do it herself at home. but, if you want to keep tilting at windmills, be my guest. The law never had any impact anyway, other than to send a few doctors to prison.
Most couples can barely make ends meet while together. If the man has to set up and pay for his household and his ex's household too you can bet its a formula for pure hostility, misery and poverty! This is what caring sweet liberals have wrought!!
Sorry, DS. That train has left the station. If Roe is reversed, then the states decide, and several states will never outlaw abortion, which means that a woman can simply have it done in those states. Or, they can stay in Louisiana and have a D&C. Or, they can order new OTC drugs available by mail from Europe with which she can do it herself at home. but, if you want to keep tilting at windmills, be my guest. The law never had any impact anyway, other than to send a few doctors to prison.
It may not be as simple as that ... for example, if a woman travels from South Dakota to Minnesota to get an abortion ... can she return to South Dakota? ... there are precedents in law which disallow traveling for the purposes of committing a crime in a place where it's not a crime ... and murder is pretty serious of a crime ...
I might be behind the times, but D&C was the usual method of performing an abortion ... and using this procedure for the termination of pregnancy is what will be outlawed ... same with online drugs ... it's not hard crafting legislation to cover all these loop holes ...
Boy. Men sure get off Scott free from responsibility here. They can keep on freely having sex and not worrying about associating love with their sexual object.Maybe even they would learn to associate love with the man with whom they made love and with the baby human that resulted rather than have sex with strangers and kill the baby human that results. Which is better, the Republican way of the Democratic way?Women would be a little more careful in their reproductive habits. That's it.
Who the fuck was pushing that back in the 1960's? Sex, drugs, and rock and roll, go to woodstock get stoned off your ass, and if you got pregnant then just fucking abort it. Today, we see on one side of the street, a bunch of people of all ages, saying abortions suck and should be stopped. The other side of the street, you see 1 man holding up a sign saying abortions is a woman right to choose. Do you wonder why that man wants abortions to be legal? Fucking liberals, want it like Clinton, Weinstein, Epstein, and Weiner, because if they get caught impregnating a woman, they can go down to PP and have the baby executed and no trace of their inappropriate behavior. That is why the left is so for it, while those on the right want to see women treated as women not a just a piece of flesh that is abused by the left....Oh well, until all liberals are removed from this Earth, babies will die in or out of the womb, and women will be treated like shit, as we have seen by liberals all the time...They can keep on freely having sex and not worrying about associating love with their sexual object.
Yes but instead of We the People having our taxes stolen for the killing of babies born or unborn, now those sluts can pay for it themselves....When they realize how expensive it is, maybe they can keep their legs crossed until they find the right guy.There is a case before the USSC currently that, if the Court rules with the State of Louisiana, will make getting an abortion in Louisiana somewhat more inconvenient for some women. They (some women whose home is distant) would have to drive a couple hours to an abortion clinic, rather than accessing one closer to home. Hence, we are warned that women's "reproductive freedom" is under attack.
Reproductive freedom? If a woman doesn't want to have a baby, she can decline to engage in reproductive behavior. It is free and completely safe to do so. Or if she is OK with having a baby, but doesn't want to have one with a particular man, she can shun that man, sexually. Or she can go on birth control pills, which are 99% effective when used as directed. Or she can use an IUD. Or she can insist that the man use a condom. Or she can get her "tubes tied." So, like Adam and Eve in the garden, there are a whole shitload of means she can take to exercise her "reproductive freedom" ; she just can't have an abortion, conveniently.
But what if abortion were off the table, excepting only cases where the LIFE (not the "health," which could mean anything at all) of the mother was in jeopardy, how would it impact the lives of fecund women?
Would they not seek to access one or more of the strategies mentioned above? And if such a law or decision were to come to fruition (prohibiting abortion), wouldn't it also make these strategies universally available - i.e., "free" birth control pills?
And dare we mention, abortion was a crime in almost every state prior to 1973, a crime in EVERY state a couple decades earlier, and the number of women who were severely harmed by "botched abortions" is grossly overrepresented in the current mythology. A couple woman a year in the whole country.
I submit that as much political angst as is current expended on the abortion issue is pathological. If it were completely outlawed (which would never happen - some states would approve it by law immediately after the feared USSC decision), it would not be such a big deal at all. Women would be a little more careful in their reproductive habits. That's it.
Sorry, DS. That train has left the station. If Roe is reversed, then the states decide, and several states will never outlaw abortion, which means that a woman can simply have it done in those states. Or, they can stay in Louisiana and have a D&C. Or, they can order new OTC drugs available by mail from Europe with which she can do it herself at home. but, if you want to keep tilting at windmills, be my guest. The law never had any impact anyway, other than to send a few doctors to prison.
Boy. Men sure get off Scott free from responsibility here. They can keep on freely having sex and not worrying about associating love with their sexual object.Maybe even they would learn to associate love with the man with whom they made love and with the baby human that resulted rather than have sex with strangers and kill the baby human that results. Which is better, the Republican way of the Democratic way?Women would be a little more careful in their reproductive habits. That's it.Who the fuck was pushing that back in the 1960's? Sex, drugs, and rock and roll, go to woodstock get stoned off your ass, and if you got pregnant then just fucking abort it. Today, we see on one side of the street, a bunch of people of all ages, saying abortions suck and should be stopped. The other side of the street, you see 1 man holding up a sign saying abortions is a woman right to choose. Do you wonder why that man wants abortions to be legal? Fucking liberals, want it like Clinton, Weinstein, Epstein, and Weiner, because if they get caught impregnating a woman, they can go down to PP and have the baby executed and no trace of their inappropriate behavior. That is why the left is so for it, while those on the right want to see women treated as women not a just a piece of flesh that is abused by the left....Oh well, until all liberals are removed from this Earth, babies will die in or out of the womb, and women will be treated like shit, as we have seen by liberals all the time...They can keep on freely having sex and not worrying about associating love with their sexual object.
Nailed it!I would settle for the truth to be told to young women about just what abortion really is...its not an unviable tissue mass like they were told....that was a lie and I contend if the truth were told there would be less abortions...but we can't tell the truth in America anymore...the media sees to it that we can't...the culture that walks and thinks in lockstep sees to it that we can't....women certainly have the right of their own body....but they don't have a right to end the life of another body....even if its within them....
This is because we have a fucked up country run by, for, and of the extreme wealthy.Not really. Because in the end, a man just pays child support.
Most couples can barely make ends meet while together. If the man has to set up and pay for his household and his ex's household too you can bet its a formula for pure hostility, misery and poverty! This is what caring sweet liberals have wrought!!
Good pointSorry, DS. That train has left the station. If Roe is reversed, then the states decide, and several states will never outlaw abortion, which means that a woman can simply have it done in those states. Or, they can stay in Louisiana and have a D&C. Or, they can order new OTC drugs available by mail from Europe with which she can do it herself at home. but, if you want to keep tilting at windmills, be my guest. The law never had any impact anyway, other than to send a few doctors to prison.
It may not be as simple as that ... for example, if a woman travels from South Dakota to Minnesota to get an abortion ... can she return to South Dakota? ... there are precedents in law which disallow traveling for the purposes of committing a crime in a place where it's not a crime ... and murder is pretty serious of a crime ...
I might be behind the times, but D&C was the usual method of performing an abortion ... and using this procedure for the termination of pregnancy is what will be outlawed ... same with online drugs ... it's not hard crafting legislation to cover all these loop holes ...
Boy. Men sure get off Scott free from responsibility here. They can keep on freely having sex and not worrying about associating love with their sexual object.Maybe even they would learn to associate love with the man with whom they made love and with the baby human that resulted rather than have sex with strangers and kill the baby human that results. Which is better, the Republican way of the Democratic way?Women would be a little more careful in their reproductive habits. That's it.Who the fuck was pushing that back in the 1960's? Sex, drugs, and rock and roll, go to woodstock get stoned off your ass, and if you got pregnant then just fucking abort it. Today, we see on one side of the street, a bunch of people of all ages, saying abortions suck and should be stopped. The other side of the street, you see 1 man holding up a sign saying abortions is a woman right to choose. Do you wonder why that man wants abortions to be legal? Fucking liberals, want it like Clinton, Weinstein, Epstein, and Weiner, because if they get caught impregnating a woman, they can go down to PP and have the baby executed and no trace of their inappropriate behavior. That is why the left is so for it, while those on the right want to see women treated as women not a just a piece of flesh that is abused by the left....Oh well, until all liberals are removed from this Earth, babies will die in or out of the womb, and women will be treated like shit, as we have seen by liberals all the time...They can keep on freely having sex and not worrying about associating love with their sexual object.
Mr Clean and Coyote both laughed that women should be treated with respect...can you believe that?
Yes but instead of We the People having our taxes stolen for the killing of babies born or unborn, now those sluts can pay for it themselves....When they realize how expensive it is, maybe they can keep their legs crossed until they find the right guy.There is a case before the USSC currently that, if the Court rules with the State of Louisiana, will make getting an abortion in Louisiana somewhat more inconvenient for some women. They (some women whose home is distant) would have to drive a couple hours to an abortion clinic, rather than accessing one closer to home. Hence, we are warned that women's "reproductive freedom" is under attack.
Reproductive freedom? If a woman doesn't want to have a baby, she can decline to engage in reproductive behavior. It is free and completely safe to do so. Or if she is OK with having a baby, but doesn't want to have one with a particular man, she can shun that man, sexually. Or she can go on birth control pills, which are 99% effective when used as directed. Or she can use an IUD. Or she can insist that the man use a condom. Or she can get her "tubes tied." So, like Adam and Eve in the garden, there are a whole shitload of means she can take to exercise her "reproductive freedom" ; she just can't have an abortion, conveniently.
But what if abortion were off the table, excepting only cases where the LIFE (not the "health," which could mean anything at all) of the mother was in jeopardy, how would it impact the lives of fecund women?
Would they not seek to access one or more of the strategies mentioned above? And if such a law or decision were to come to fruition (prohibiting abortion), wouldn't it also make these strategies universally available - i.e., "free" birth control pills?
And dare we mention, abortion was a crime in almost every state prior to 1973, a crime in EVERY state a couple decades earlier, and the number of women who were severely harmed by "botched abortions" is grossly overrepresented in the current mythology. A couple woman a year in the whole country.
I submit that as much political angst as is current expended on the abortion issue is pathological. If it were completely outlawed (which would never happen - some states would approve it by law immediately after the feared USSC decision), it would not be such a big deal at all. Women would be a little more careful in their reproductive habits. That's it.
Sorry, DS. That train has left the station. If Roe is reversed, then the states decide, and several states will never outlaw abortion, which means that a woman can simply have it done in those states. Or, they can stay in Louisiana and have a D&C. Or, they can order new OTC drugs available by mail from Europe with which she can do it herself at home. but, if you want to keep tilting at windmills, be my guest. The law never had any impact anyway, other than to send a few doctors to prison.
Most couples can barely make ends meet while together. If the man has to set up and pay for his household and his ex's household too you can bet its a formula for pure hostility, misery and poverty! This is what caring sweet liberals have wrought!!
The man will have been more careful who he makes babies with ... or he deserves poverty ... some states use a weight-based formula to calculate child support, they define the minimum cost to raise a child and split that cost between the parents based on their relative incomes ...
The "misery and poverty" comes from divorce, not the children ...
Misery and Poverty always comes from liberal compassion because then the liberals can control the people and children by providing just enough to keep them alive, just impoverished to the government. Oblummer the brown turd really did well in this because he put more in poverty since the war on poverty started, even with all his "healing the planet and lowering the oceans".The "misery and poverty" comes from divorce, not the children ..
Thanks Oblummer...worthless piece of excrement.Fifty years after President Johnson started a $20 trillion taxpayer-funded war on poverty, the overall percentage of impoverished people in the U.S. has declined only slightly and the poor have lost ground under President Obama.
Boy. Men sure get off Scott free from responsibility here. They can keep on freely having sex and not worrying about associating love with their sexual object.Maybe even they would learn to associate love with the man with whom they made love and with the baby human that resulted rather than have sex with strangers and kill the baby human that results. Which is better, the Republican way of the Democratic way?Women would be a little more careful in their reproductive habits. That's it.Who the fuck was pushing that back in the 1960's? Sex, drugs, and rock and roll, go to woodstock get stoned off your ass, and if you got pregnant then just fucking abort it. Today, we see on one side of the street, a bunch of people of all ages, saying abortions suck and should be stopped. The other side of the street, you see 1 man holding up a sign saying abortions is a woman right to choose. Do you wonder why that man wants abortions to be legal? Fucking liberals, want it like Clinton, Weinstein, Epstein, and Weiner, because if they get caught impregnating a woman, they can go down to PP and have the baby executed and no trace of their inappropriate behavior. That is why the left is so for it, while those on the right want to see women treated as women not a just a piece of flesh that is abused by the left....Oh well, until all liberals are removed from this Earth, babies will die in or out of the womb, and women will be treated like shit, as we have seen by liberals all the time...They can keep on freely having sex and not worrying about associating love with their sexual object.
Mr Clean and Coyote both laughed that women should be treated with respect...can you believe that?
Yup.
Your post has nothing to do with treating women with respect.
As long as cons insist that others have the right to make decisions for women, as a class, and presume that women (as a class) don’t know what abortion really is, there is no respect involved.
Boy. Men sure get off Scott free from responsibility here. They can keep on freely having sex and not worrying about associating love with their sexual object.Maybe even they would learn to associate love with the man with whom they made love and with the baby human that resulted rather than have sex with strangers and kill the baby human that results. Which is better, the Republican way of the Democratic way?Women would be a little more careful in their reproductive habits. That's it.Who the fuck was pushing that back in the 1960's? Sex, drugs, and rock and roll, go to woodstock get stoned off your ass, and if you got pregnant then just fucking abort it. Today, we see on one side of the street, a bunch of people of all ages, saying abortions suck and should be stopped. The other side of the street, you see 1 man holding up a sign saying abortions is a woman right to choose. Do you wonder why that man wants abortions to be legal? Fucking liberals, want it like Clinton, Weinstein, Epstein, and Weiner, because if they get caught impregnating a woman, they can go down to PP and have the baby executed and no trace of their inappropriate behavior. That is why the left is so for it, while those on the right want to see women treated as women not a just a piece of flesh that is abused by the left....Oh well, until all liberals are removed from this Earth, babies will die in or out of the womb, and women will be treated like shit, as we have seen by liberals all the time...They can keep on freely having sex and not worrying about associating love with their sexual object.
Mr Clean and Coyote both laughed that women should be treated with respect...can you believe that?
Yup.
Your post has nothing to do with treating women with respect.
As long as cons insist that others have the right to make decisions for women, as a class, and presume that women (as a class) don’t know what abortion really is, there is no respect involved.
I call your fucking bullshit statement. Of course we on the right respect our women, we dont tell out daughters to go out and fuck like rabbits, like you liberals do, because you dont give a shit about the children, just the power over the people. Fuck off, you dumbass moron.
Good pointSorry, DS. That train has left the station. If Roe is reversed, then the states decide, and several states will never outlaw abortion, which means that a woman can simply have it done in those states. Or, they can stay in Louisiana and have a D&C. Or, they can order new OTC drugs available by mail from Europe with which she can do it herself at home. but, if you want to keep tilting at windmills, be my guest. The law never had any impact anyway, other than to send a few doctors to prison.
It may not be as simple as that ... for example, if a woman travels from South Dakota to Minnesota to get an abortion ... can she return to South Dakota? ... there are precedents in law which disallow traveling for the purposes of committing a crime in a place where it's not a crime ... and murder is pretty serious of a crime ...
I might be behind the times, but D&C was the usual method of performing an abortion ... and using this procedure for the termination of pregnancy is what will be outlawed ... same with online drugs ... it's not hard crafting legislation to cover all these loop holes ...
I replied to this, but my reply seems to have been lost in the endless quote copies. It has never been illegal to get an abortion. It has been illegal to perform an abortion. Therefore, a woman who leaves the state to have an abortion and returns to that state has broken no law, and can not be prosecuted for anything.
I was born and raised in Georgia. Here is a photo of the man who was governor, when I left the state. There is no need to explain WHY I left the state:I replied to this, but my reply seems to have been lost in the endless quote copies. It has never been illegal to get an abortion. It has been illegal to perform an abortion. Therefore, a woman who leaves the state to have an abortion and returns to that state has broken no law, and can not be prosecuted for anything.
That hasn't stopped Georgia from trying ... "Kemp expected to sign bill in coming days" -- Atlanta Journal-Constitution -- Apr 26th, 2019 ...
TL;DR = Establishes the "heartbeat rule", or six weeks gestation ... the law intends to punish everyone involved; doctors, nurses, mothers, maybe even the fetus himself ... not expected to pass judicial scrutiny ... Roe v. Wade established the "viability rule", about 24 weeks gestation ...
ETA: Does the word "gestation" mean anything to a man? ...
I was born and raised in Georgia. Here is a photo of the man who was governor, when I left the state. There is no need to explain WHY I left the state:
