What is a "radical left anarchist?"

[kaz]

Serious question. Occupy Wallstreet called themselves anarchists, but they demand big government control over business, that's socialism, which is the opposite of anarcy.

I've heard people use that term to describe themselves as well, saying "I'm far left, almost anarchist."

I've Googled it and basically the only answer I've seen are people (presumably left) saying you can be left and anarchist, but none of them explained what that means they think.

Don't go back to the real definition of words, like classic liberal. I know what that means, but that obviously isn't what Occupy Wallstreet or radical leftists who call themselves anarchists mean.

 

[NightFox]

Serious question. Occupy Wallstreet called themselves anarchists, but they demand big government control over business, that's socialism, which is the opposite of anarcy.

I've heard people use that term to describe themselves as well, saying "I'm far left, almost anarchist."

I've Googled it and basically the only answer I've seen are people (presumably left) saying you can be left and anarchist, but none of them explained what that means they think.

Don't go back to the real definition of words, like classic liberal. I know what that means, but that obviously isn't what Occupy Wallstreet or radical leftists who call themselves anarchists mean.

I suspect these people were alluding to Anarcho-Communism or Anarcho-Syndacalism both of which are sometimes referenced as left wing anarchism.

 

[RKMBrown]

I believe they are talking about liberty of the individual to do pretty much what he wants in life except own an excessive amount of assets and harm others. All needs are taken care of by a micro managing government.

 

[eflatminor]

Statism, communism, fascism, socialism...give 'em whatever name you like.
We've got to stop heading in that direction, 'cuz big government ain't right...

The occupy crowd hasn't a clue what anarchy really is about. They wanted big government control of society, other people's money...and the 'freedom' to get high.

Anarchy is taking limited government too far, IMO. No one on the 'Left' can be an anarchist but they most certainly can be radical.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

Someone seriously confused, that's what it is.

 

[NightFox]

Statism, communism, fascism, socialism...give 'em whatever name you like.
We've got to stop heading in that direction, 'cuz big government ain't right...

The occupy crowd hasn't a clue what anarchy really is about. They wanted big government control of society, other people's money...and the 'freedom' to get high.

Anarchy is taking limited government too far, IMO. No one on the 'Left' can be an anarchist but they most certainly can be radical.

Do you consider Marxist Communism "on the left" ?

 

[Black_Label]

Serious question. Occupy Wallstreet called themselves anarchists

That's a flat out lie. OWS was not politically motivated and holds no political affiliation, as much as the right wing machine tried to paint them as otherwise.

Otherwise simply put, the best way to look at the political spectrum is as a square with the far right being fascism, the far left communism, the far top authoritarianism, and the far bottom anarchism. Libertarians are often aligned with anarchism.

 

[NightFox]

Serious question. Occupy Wallstreet called themselves anarchists

That's a flat out lie. OWS was not politically motivated and holds no political affiliation, as much as the right wing machine tried to paint them as otherwise.

Otherwise simply put, the best way to look at the political spectrum is as a square with the far right being fascism, the far left communism, the far top authoritarianism, and the far bottom anarchism. Libertarians are often aligned with anarchism.

According to Marx the final stage of communism is a stateless society, which is anarchism.

So much for canned theories.

 

[Black_Label]

Serious question. Occupy Wallstreet called themselves anarchists

That's a flat out lie. OWS was not politically motivated and holds no political affiliation, as much as the right wing machine tried to paint them as otherwise.

Otherwise simply put, the best way to look at the political spectrum is as a square with the far right being fascism, the far left communism, the far top authoritarianism, and the far bottom anarchism. Libertarians are often aligned with anarchism.

According to Marx the final stage of communism is a stateless society, which is anarchism.

So much for canned theories.

So you are a marxist?

 

[ScreamingEagle]

anarchy always devolves into tyranny....

leftism is socialism and socialism always needs force and tyranny to exist...

to me a "radical left anarchist" is really a socialist totalitarian...the likes of Lenin, Stalin, Mao...

 

[RKMBrown]

Serious question. Occupy Wallstreet called themselves anarchists

That's a flat out lie. OWS was not politically motivated and holds no political affiliation, as much as the right wing machine tried to paint them as otherwise.

Otherwise simply put, the best way to look at the political spectrum is as a square with the far right being fascism, the far left communism, the far top authoritarianism, and the far bottom anarchism. Libertarians are often aligned with anarchism.

Nonsense. Some libertarians are aligned with anarchists, most are aligned with constitutional conservatives.

There are a great many "issues." For each issue there are a great many dimensions of thought regarding how best to treat the issue. People who are limited to following political parties are not capable of understanding this. Two plane charts are built to help transition people from this single plane of thought, that of republican vs democrat. But that does not mean all issues can be resolved on two planes.

Nor does it mean anyone uses the same terms the same ways to describe the issues and possible solutions.

 

[Black_Label]

anarchy always devolves into tyranny....

leftism is socialism and socialism always needs force and tyranny to exist...

to me a "radical left anarchist" is really a socialist totalitarian...the likes of Lenin, Stalin, Mao...

I see, so being an anarchist that wants no government, actually means complete totalitarian government control.

And you wonder why people think those like yourself on the far right are complete idiots

 

[NightFox]

That's a flat out lie. OWS was not politically motivated and holds no political affiliation, as much as the right wing machine tried to paint them as otherwise.

Otherwise simply put, the best way to look at the political spectrum is as a square with the far right being fascism, the far left communism, the far top authoritarianism, and the far bottom anarchism. Libertarians are often aligned with anarchism.

According to Marx the final stage of communism is a stateless society, which is anarchism.

So much for canned theories.

So you are a marxist?

No (but thanks for trying to put words in my mouth) but I do understand what communism as defined by Marx is (which obviously you do not), you also don't appear to understand what fascism is, it's a form a big government totalitarianism which is inherently authoritarian i.e. more aligned with the philosophy of the American LEFT than it is with the limited government philosophy of the American RIGHT.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

anarchy always devolves into tyranny....

leftism is socialism and socialism always needs force and tyranny to exist...

to me a "radical left anarchist" is really a socialist totalitarian...the likes of Lenin, Stalin, Mao...

I see, so being an anarchist that wants no government, actually means complete totalitarian government control.

And you wonder why people think those like yourself on the far right are complete idiots

show me a country full of anarchists.....

 

[Two Thumbs]

Serious question. Occupy Wallstreet called themselves anarchists, but they demand big government control over business, that's socialism, which is the opposite of anarcy.

I've heard people use that term to describe themselves as well, saying "I'm far left, almost anarchist."

I've Googled it and basically the only answer I've seen are people (presumably left) saying you can be left and anarchist, but none of them explained what that means they think.

Don't go back to the real definition of words, like classic liberal. I know what that means, but that obviously isn't what Occupy Wallstreet or radical leftists who call themselves anarchists mean.

kind of like saying "It's hip to be square."

these fools don't want to be called hippies, like mom, dad or their grandparents were, so they come up with something cool sounding.

seriously, who can say "down with the man, up with government" and not be fucking buts

 

[Black_Label]

anarchy always devolves into tyranny....

leftism is socialism and socialism always needs force and tyranny to exist...

to me a "radical left anarchist" is really a socialist totalitarian...the likes of Lenin, Stalin, Mao...

I see, so being an anarchist that wants no government, actually means complete totalitarian government control.

And you wonder why people think those like yourself on the far right are complete idiots

show me a country full of anarchists.....

Somalia

 

[eflatminor]

Statism, communism, fascism, socialism...give 'em whatever name you like.
We've got to stop heading in that direction, 'cuz big government ain't right...

The occupy crowd hasn't a clue what anarchy really is about. They wanted big government control of society, other people's money...and the 'freedom' to get high.

Anarchy is taking limited government too far, IMO. No one on the 'Left' can be an anarchist but they most certainly can be radical.

Do you consider Marxist Communism "on the left" ?

I don't care about Left or Right and consider debates around the semantics of different versions of central planning a waste of time. I care about limited government.

Perhaps Gary Lloyd said it best: "When the government's boot is on your throat, whether it is a left boot or a right boot is of no consequence."

I stand for getting the government's boot off our throats, a sin from both sides of the isle.

 

[NightFox]

anarchy always devolves into tyranny....

leftism is socialism and socialism always needs force and tyranny to exist...

to me a "radical left anarchist" is really a socialist totalitarian...the likes of Lenin, Stalin, Mao...

No, according to Marx, socialism is the intermediate stage on the evolutionary path to communism at which point the institution of the state ceases to exist (anarchism). Unfortunately in practice communism has proven to be impractical since those running the machinery of the state in the intermediate stage (socialism) inevitably use it to consolidate and secure their own power. From my understanding part of the reasoning of Anarcho-Communists (which in a nutshell advocates eliminating capitalism and going straight into stateless communism (no vanguard communist party)) is to avoid the totalitarian pitfalls of socialism.

 

[eflatminor]

Libertarians are often aligned with anarchism.

Bullshit. Anarchists align themselves with other anarchists. Libertarians are aligned with the idea of limited government...which means we support the existence of a government! That can't be anarchy, no matter how much you'd like to believe it so.

 

[Black_Label]

According to Marx the final stage of communism is a stateless society, which is anarchism.

So much for canned theories.

So you are a marxist?

No (but thanks for trying to put words in my mouth) but I do understand what communism as defined by Marx is (which obviously you do not), you also don't appear to understand what fascism is, it's a form a big government totalitarianism which is inherently authoritarian i.e. more aligned with the philosophy of the American LEFT than it is with the limited government philosophy of the American RIGHT.

Traditional conservatism AKA center/right "ike" type republicans would fit that mold, but today's GOP are on the extreme right, essentially fascism.

As the creator of fascism Mussolini stated "Fascism should more appropriately be called corporatism, because it is a merger of state and corporate power"

Today's GOP are completely in bed with the corporate masters like the Koch's, big oil, big banks, big pharma,...they are the epitome of far right wing extremism. Not to mention their attacks on freedom from women's rights to marriage equality to marijuana legalization to 1st amendment censorship.

The current far right are the biggest threat against freedom, liberty, and against the founding fathers that this nation has ever seen.