Zone1 What is hate speech?

[Hector12]

Ah…..an insult! Let me guess….you’re a leftist.

I am a leftist on many issues. I was a charter member of the Democratic Socialist Organizing Committee. That later evolved into Democratic Socialists of America.

I supported the Civil Rights legislation and the War on Poverty as a child, a teenager and a young adult. Now I think they were well intended mistakes.

The Democrat Party I really like is the one that existed from the inauguration of Franklin Roosevelt in 1933 to the assignation if John Kennedy in 1963.

I vote Democrat, although without enthusiasm. I agree with Democrat positions on the environment and the economy.

I consider Lissa558 to be my best friend on the US Message Board.

My high regard for the Children of Israel and the land of Israel is know by those who have read many of my comments.

 

[Hector12]

So you support apartheid.

If I must give a yes or no answer, my answer is "Yes," although with qualifications.

I believe that there is often wisdom in tradition.

I think apartheid and Jim Crow legislation were based on sound instinct, but I am not sure that it would be a good idea to try to re establish either.

I strongly believe that there should be no restrictions against drawing attention to the social problems that have followed the civil rights legislation and the War on Poverty in the United States, the end of apartheid in South Africa, and the end of European colonialism in the rest of sub Saharan Africa.

I also believe that there should be no restrictions against drawing attention to low average black intelligence, and high black rates of crime and illegitimacy.

The United States needs an honest conversation of race. The main topic should be black social pathology, rather than the white racism that results from black social pathology.

 

[Donald H]

If I must give a yes or no answer, my answer is "Yes," although with qualifications.

I believe that there is often wisdom in tradition.

I think apartheid and Jim Crow legislation were based on sound instinct, but I am not sure that it would be a good idea to try to re establish either.

And so you feel that you're not in the loop on your preferences. I think you're right.

I strongly believe that there should be no restrictions against drawing attention to the social problems that have followed the civil rights legislation and the War on Poverty in the United States,

I couldn't think of an instance in which 'drawing attention' to something should be restricted. However, I'm cognizant of efforts to legitimize hate speech and racism.
So you would have to be more specific, if you're tying to convince me to be comfortable with your suggestions.

the end of apartheid in South Africa, and the end of European colonialism in the rest of sub Saharan Africa.

A statement, suggestion, question?

I also believe that there should be no restrictions against drawing attention to low average black intelligence, and high black rates of crime and illegitimacy.

If the purpose isn't to insult and enflame.
Low average intelligence can be attributed to lack of opportunity. But there may be other factors to be understood, such as the reason why some American state's white people stand out as having lower intelligence than the American average. And also that America is slightly below the world's accepted average of 100.

Is it black people who bring America down? I think 'yes', but that is not saying that black people are to blame. I'm very convinced that white Americans are to blame. (that's where the discussion must begin)

The United States needs an honest conversation of race. The main topic should be black social pathology, rather than the white racism that results from black social pathology.

Yes, the conversation on race and racism in America is long overdue. Would you like to start with an explanation of what you call 'black social pathology?

In can at least begin by giving you my assurance that the problem in America is huge and questionable on whether there is any solution that white America could ever consider.

 

[Billo_Really]

If someone makes a statement about a group of people that is true but unflattering, should that be regarded as hate speech? If so, what should the punishment be?

For the record, I have a high opinion of Jews and Orientals (AKA, East Asians). If someone makes an unflattering empirical statement about either group or both groups that is untrue, I only ask the opportunity to prove that it is not true. On some websites I am not allowed that opportunity.

For example, on an anti Jewish website I pointed out that one of the accusations Hitler made about German Jews was untrue. I quoted a footnote below his statement in my copy of Mein Kampf. I was banned.

I don't know why anyone would hate Jews, it's just a religion. Another way to pray. Another way to worship. There is no justifiable reason to hate this group. Republicans, are a different matter.

 

[Hector12]

I don't know why anyone would hate Jews, it's just a religion. Another way to pray. Another way to worship. There is no justifiable reason to hate this group. Republicans, are a different matter.

I do not hate Republicans. I admire Jews, I respect Judaism, and I love Israel.

 

[Billo_Really]

I do not hate Republicans. I admire Jews, I respect Judaism, and I love Israel.

I respect the Jewish religion; Israel, on the otherhand, can go fuck itself! I can't stand Zionists.

 

[Hector12]

I couldn't think of an instance in which 'drawing attention' to something should be restricted. However, I'm cognizant of efforts to legitimize hate speech and racism.
So you would have to be more specific, if you're tying to convince me to be comfortable with your suggestions.

If someone makes a statement like "[derogatory n word] are trash," I would agree that it is hate speech, but I do not think the person making the statement should be punished in any way.

If someone makes a statement on a website like "Jews want to destroy America," I agree that that statement is hate speech, but I do not think the comment should be deleted, and the poster banned. All I ask is for the opportunity to refute the statement. On Jew hating websites I have not been allowed to.

Restrictions on hate speech are restrictions on intellectual freedom. That is the freedom that is most valuable to me.

 

[Hector12]

I respect the Jewish religion; Israel, on the otherhand, can go fuck itself! I can't stand Zionists.

I am a Christian Zionist. Israel is an oasis of civilization surrounded by a vast desert of primitive and horrifying barbarism. I suspect you would rather live in Israel than in any Arab country.

 

[Hector12]

I couldn't think of an instance in which 'drawing attention' to something should be restricted. However, I'm cognizant of efforts to legitimize hate speech and racism.

Racism is currently defined as drawing attention to unflattering facts about blacks.

 

[Hector12]

So you would have to be more specific, if you're tying to convince me to be comfortable with your suggestions.

If I post something on the US Message Board that is not true, prove that it is not true. I will retract the statement, and I will not repeat it.

 

[Billo_Really]

I am a Christian Zionist. Israel is an oasis of civilization surrounded by a vast desert of primitive and horrifying barbarism. I suspect you would rather live in Israel than in any Arab country.

You gotta be fucking shitting me! Israel treats the Palestinians like garbage and that is bullshit!7

 

[Donald H]

If someone makes a statement like "[derogatory n word] are trash," I would agree that it is hate speech, but I do not think the person making the statement should be punished in any way.

If someone makes a statement on a website like "Jews want to destroy America," I agree that that statement is hate speech, but I do not think the comment should be deleted, and the poster banned. All I ask is for the opportunity to refute the statement. On Jew hating websites I have not been allowed to.

Restrictions on hate speech are restrictions on intellectual freedom. That is the freedom that is most valuable to me.

You've changed the subject because you're really not interested in hearing the truth.

I'm pretty sure that you're another racist who is still hiding in a closet in Alabama or Mississippi. It's part of my intellectual freedom to make the accusation.

And there's just no way that you people will ever accept the blame for being the cause of the race problem in America, and the vicious racism you've spawned.

Try lying and deception down at the bottom of your social ladder first!

 

[Hector12]

Is it black people who bring America down? I think 'yes', but that is not saying that black people are to blame. I'm very convinced that white Americans are to blame. (that's where the discussion must begin)

Everywhere blacks live they are characterized by low average intelligence, and high rates of crime and illegitimacy. This is especially true in black majority, black run countries, so I do not think whites should be blamed.

 

[Donald H]

If I post something on the US Message Board that is not true, prove that it is not true. I will retract the statement, and I will not repeat it.

Nothing can change the minds of America's racists. Prove something I said isn't true and I'll give you the satisfaction of not having me deny it.

 

[Donald H]

Everywhere blacks live they are characterized by low average intelligence, and high rates of crime and illegitimacy. This is especially true in black majority, black run countries, so I do not think whites should be blamed.

Absolutely no doubt at all now that you're a filthy white American racist!

 

[Hector12]

You gotta be fucking shitting me! Israel treats the Palestinians like garbage and that is bullshit!7

If the Palestinians want to be treated well by the Israelis they should stop acts of terrorism against Jews, and they should become a docile source of cheap labor. Palestinians could be useful as unskilled laborers building Jewish settlements on the land Israel conquered in the 1967 Six Day war.

 

[Hector12]

Nothing can change the minds of America's racists. Prove something I said isn't true and I'll give you the satisfaction of not having me deny it.

I have not accused you of lying. You suggested I was lying.

To change my mind about blacks it would be sufficient to demonstrate, using credible sources of data, that black data on average intelligence, crime, and illegitimacy is nearly equal to white data.

 

[Hector12]

Absolutely no doubt at all now that you're a filthy white American racist!

Insults and name calling are the lowest form of discourse. They are resorted to by those who cannot rely on facts, insights drawn from the facts, and logical reasoning, like I do.

 

[Hector12]

You've changed the subject because you're really not interested in hearing the truth.

What is the truth? Document your factual assertions.

 

[Hector12]

I'm pretty sure that you're another racist who is still hiding in a closet in Alabama or Mississippi. It's part of my intellectual freedom to make the accusation.

You certainly have that freedom. I have the freedom to point out that what you have said is not true, and that is a resort to the Straw Man Fallacy.