What Is The Republican Alternative To ObamaCare

[bigrebnc1775]

And the house voted in approval. Case closed.

where do tax bill originate?
Did the ACA ORGINATE FROM THE PLACE THAT IT WAS CONSTITUTIONAL MANDATE TO START FROM?

Does not matter. Both houses vote on it, approved it, and the president signed it.

yes really it does matter.

 

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Not gonna work.

Some Republicans are going back to an old refrain about Obamacare: It’s unconstitutional.


While the GOP has long argued that the law is not permitted per the nation’s founding documents, the Supreme Court almost entirely upheld the law in June 2012. But it’s that Supreme Court decision itself that has 40 House Republicans eager for their day in court

But it’s precisely what the Senate did that helped avert any so-called “blue slip problems” with the House, because the bill actually did originate in the House. The Senate took the language of a House-passed bill that would have provided tax credits to veterans purchasing homes and replaced it with the 2,074-page Affordable Care Act.

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Franks, however, argues that the original veterans bill did not raise revenue and was “wholly-unrelated” to the health care law, therefore violating the Origination Clause.

Neither argument, however, seems to have ever had much traction in the past; bills need only to deal with taxation, not raising revenue, to avoid an Origination Clause problem, and Article 1, Section 7 notes that “the Senate may propose or concur with amendments as on other bills.”

That would include amending, as is common practice, an entire bill.

40 House Republicans: Obamacare Has an Origination Problem | 218

 

[BobPlumb]

Now that we agree obamacare was ruled a tax how about this.
Tax legislation has to originate in the House; the health-care law didn’t.
Obamacare?s Unconstitutional Origins | National Review Online

I understand and agree with your point; however, if the surpreme court gave a damn about that point, then it would not have ruled the law constitutional because the mandate is a tax in the first place. Hell will freeze over before the surpreme court rules obomacare unconstitutional on these grounds.

 

[Katzndogz]

Any plan that does not start with tort reform should never see the light of day.

 

[Meister]

"Obamacare is the Law of the Land." John Boehner

Slavery was once the law of the land, also.
Whether the left wing fringe wants to admit it or not, this bill is not going to serve the purpose it was established for. The packaging and selling was based on lies to get enough democrat votes to get it passed. It's not going to be funded fully and there will be new taxes and huge premium increases to fund the bill.

Once again it proves that our president was not ready for primetime

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Now that we agree obamacare was ruled a tax how about this.
Tax legislation has to originate in the House; the health-care law didn’t.
Obamacare?s Unconstitutional Origins | National Review Online

I understand and agree with your point; however, if the surpreme court gave a damn about that point, then it would not have ruled the law constitutional because the mandate is a tax in the first place. Hell will freeze over before the surpreme court rules obomacare unconstitutional on these grounds.

we shall see

 

[JakeStarkey]

Write in English ffs! Even US public education isn't an excuse for such sloppiness.

go fuck yourself

I ran the bitch off just like I will you I'm just that much of a son of a bitch\, when your wrong you are wrong and I will always point that out about you and dante.

How funny. You get spanked all the time, cry, then come back for more.

 

[RKMBrown]

OK there is one more thing that must be address. Where do taxes originate from? The house or the senate?

Traditionally the house manages the purse. However, if the house votes on amendments to a bill originating from the Senate, it waives is power of origination of said amendments. Further, the so-called process of how bills are processed are rules that are self policed by both houses of congress. IOW they rammed it through before the pubs won back the house. Further they punted the pain far enough into the future that it would not impact Obama's next presidential election.

The democrats are in this for the long haul, they don't care how many decades it takes to convert us to a Marxist/Socialist slave state. They will keep pushing, and keep buying votes to the end of time or they win, which ever comes first.

Where the precedence at for this type of legislation? You had a democratic controlled senate and house pushing with everything they could to slide this piece of crap through does it matter to them about being constitutional or not? NO it does not.

To democrats, the constitution is a really old piece of paper written by a bunch of republicans that were not in touch with the socialist dream of this democrat nation of moochers, union workers, government workers, and aristocrats.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

"Obamacare is the Law of the Land." John Boehner

Slavery was once the law of the land, also.
Whether the left wing fringe wants to admit it or not, this bill is not going to serve the purpose it was established for. The packaging and selling was based on lies to get enough democrat votes to get it passed. It's not going to be funded fully and there will be new taxes and huge premium increases to fund the bill.

Once again it proves that our president was not ready for primetime

stop shedding all this truth it's hurting the pea brain left. nawh just kidding continue.

 

[JakeStarkey]

SCOTUS opined it was constitutional. It will remain such until SCOTUS opines differently.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Traditionally the house manages the purse. However, if the house votes on amendments to a bill originating from the Senate, it waives is power of origination of said amendments. Further, the so-called process of how bills are processed are rules that are self policed by both houses of congress. IOW they rammed it through before the pubs won back the house. Further they punted the pain far enough into the future that it would not impact Obama's next presidential election.

The democrats are in this for the long haul, they don't care how many decades it takes to convert us to a Marxist/Socialist slave state. They will keep pushing, and keep buying votes to the end of time or they win, which ever comes first.

Where the precedence at for this type of legislation? You had a democratic controlled senate and house pushing with everything they could to slide this piece of crap through does it matter to them about being constitutional or not? NO it does not.

To democrats, the constitution is a really old piece of paper written by a bunch of republicans that were not in touch with the socialist dream of this democrat nation of moochers, union workers, government workers, and aristocrats.

ok you slide one over on me I have nothing to argue with on this post

 

[RKMBrown]

go fuck yourself

I ran the bitch off just like I will you I'm just that much of a son of a bitch\, when your wrong you are wrong and I will always point that out about you and dante.

How funny. You get spanked all the time, cry, then come back for more.

This from fakey the biggest joke on USMB.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

I ran the bitch off just like I will you I'm just that much of a son of a bitch\, when your wrong you are wrong and I will always point that out about you and dante.

How funny. You get spanked all the time, cry, then come back for more.

This from fakey the biggest joke on USMB.

he's of no substance. check out his new thread started count.

 

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"Obamacare is the Law of the Land." John Boehner

Slavery was once the law of the land, also.
Whether the left wing fringe wants to admit it or not, this bill is not going to serve the purpose it was established for. The packaging and selling was based on lies to get enough democrat votes to get it passed. It's not going to be funded fully and there will be new taxes and huge premium increases to fund the bill.

Once again it proves that our president was not ready for primetime

The "purpose it was established for"?

Ahem: "Amid intense public interest, Congress passed the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (ACA), which became effective March 23, 2010. The ACA sought to address the fact that millions of Americans had no health insurance, yet actively participated in the health care market, consuming health care services for which they did not pay." - The Affordable Care Act Cases | The Oyez Project at IIT Chicago-Kent College of Law

How so?

note: Agree with not ready for prime time during first term.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Now that we agree obamacare was ruled a tax how about this.
Tax legislation has to originate in the House; the health-care law didn’t.
Obamacare?s Unconstitutional Origins | National Review Online

I understand and agree with your point; however, if the surpreme court gave a damn about that point, then it would not have ruled the law constitutional because the mandate is a tax in the first place. Hell will freeze over before the surpreme court rules obomacare unconstitutional on these grounds.

we shall see

Shall see what? Oh yeah, you're a birther too

 

[bigrebnc1775]

I understand and agree with your point; however, if the surpreme court gave a damn about that point, then it would not have ruled the law constitutional because the mandate is a tax in the first place. Hell will freeze over before the surpreme court rules obomacare unconstitutional on these grounds.

we shall see

Shall see what? Oh yeah, you're a birther too

wow that's all you have left after the ass kicking? damn dante you're slipping.

 

[RKMBrown]

Where the precedence at for this type of legislation? You had a democratic controlled senate and house pushing with everything they could to slide this piece of crap through does it matter to them about being constitutional or not? NO it does not.

To democrats, the constitution is a really old piece of paper written by a bunch of republicans that were not in touch with the socialist dream of this democrat nation of moochers, union workers, government workers, and aristocrats.

ok you slide one over on me I have nothing to argue with on this post

I'm with ya on the OCA "should" be un-constitutional view. I'm sure I could make dozens of excellent arguments for that case. Keep watching, whether or not the bill is constitutional is still in play. Till the next cases are heard, we'll just have to bite our tongues on the issue, as it won't help to cry about loosing the first fight. The smartest thing they did was to delay the implementation, as delaying the implementation delays the SCOTUS viewing the cases seeking relief from it.

The best thing we can do is elect conservatives who do everything they can to throw it out. Note: I did not say republicans. I don't trust most republicans any more than democrats. I see both of them as the same beast. Look at the media darling Christie. You really think he won't veto a bill throwing out OCA? If you want the bill thrown out elect a guy like Rand Paul or Rubio, people who believe in liberty.

What's really bothering me, has almost gone on without discussion. Which is Obama selectively providing exemptions to our laws. Sure that has been done before but never to this extent.

Elect me, I'll exempt all Americans from Income tax.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

"Obamacare is the Law of the Land." John Boehner

Slavery was once the law of the land, also.
Whether the left wing fringe wants to admit it or not, this bill is not going to serve the purpose it was established for. The packaging and selling was based on lies to get enough democrat votes to get it passed. It's not going to be funded fully and there will be new taxes and huge premium increases to fund the bill.

Once again it proves that our president was not ready for primetime

The "purpose it was established for"?

Ahem: "Amid intense public interest, Congress passed the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (ACA), which became effective March 23, 2010. The ACA sought to address the fact that millions of Americans had no health insurance, yet actively participated in the health care market, consuming health care services for which they did not pay." - The Affordable Care Act Cases | The Oyez Project at IIT Chicago-Kent College of Law

How so?

note: Agree with not ready for prime time during first term.

and the millions who are losing their coverage because of obamacare. AHEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Meister]

"Obamacare is the Law of the Land." John Boehner

Slavery was once the law of the land, also.
Whether the left wing fringe wants to admit it or not, this bill is not going to serve the purpose it was established for. The packaging and selling was based on lies to get enough democrat votes to get it passed. It's not going to be funded fully and there will be new taxes and huge premium increases to fund the bill.

Once again it proves that our president was not ready for primetime

The "purpose it was established for"?

Ahem: "Amid intense public interest, Congress passed the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (ACA), which became effective March 23, 2010. The ACA sought to address the fact that millions of Americans had no health insurance, yet actively participated in the health care market, consuming health care services for which they did not pay." - The Affordable Care Act Cases | The Oyez Project at IIT Chicago-Kent College of Law

How so?

note: Agree with not ready for prime time during first term.

Tell Dante that the bill would have never passed if the stipulations were known before the vote....period.
What was stated was you can keep your dr.
You can keep your healthcare.
You'll save an average of 2500 dollars a year.

Not the huge premium hikes to middle income people.
Not the loss of dr.'s and healthcare coverage to millions.

So tell Dante he can spin 'till the cows come home, but the reality is.....now that the stipulations ARE known, the dems are running away from this debacle.

 

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[MENTION=42379]Redfish[/MENTION]

[MENTION=29100]bripat9643[/MENTION]

They are better informed than you. Plus, they are capable of committing logic.

That is why the founding fathers and the framers (who won the arguments of the day) had so much contempt for the majority. Think they referred to it as a mob.

So you favor minority rule?????????? WTF are you trying to say?

Nope. Like Madison and Hamilton, this liberal favors representative democracy over direct democracy any day. Majority rule is inevitable in any democracy. What can be corrected for is excesses and other flaws built into any democratic model