What Is The Republican Alternative To ObamaCare

[PMZ]

[MENTION=43872]PMZ[/MENTION] - Premiums are rising nationwide directly because of the ACA. This is a fact, and not crazy hearsay; happened to me, my wife, and many friends.

If the ACA is designed to make healthcare more affordable, shouldn't premiums go down?

What good does this law do me if I now pay more for less coverage?

We've been over this a thousand times with PMZ. He will explain to you that it is your fault for being an evil rich republican who defends corporate theft of working class income, by withholding jobs and pay raises to working class producers. In short the lies are justified, by the ends of working class people getting free or reduced cost health care at the expense of the evil rich. PMZ is a socialist / marxist who claims he was a Republican when he had a job. IOW he votes what is best for himself.

Fuck you, meathead.

 

[g5000]

They aren't going to give up, you know. The Democrats.

The web site will get fixed. People will get insurance who never had it, or who lost their insurance years ago.

They aren't going to quit. I know you want them to, and that is why you whine every day about ObamaCare; to try to make them quit.

They aren't going to.

Time to wake up to that reality and get in front of it before you get steamrolled under.

How exactly? What are you suggesting?

[MENTION=34052]g5000[/MENTION]

Is this what you mean 'get in front of it'?

http://www.usmessageboard.com/healt...at-s-wrong-with-this-picture.html#post8182913

[MENTION=30065]dblack[/MENTION]

That is not a solution, and certainly not a conservative one. It's a Band-Aid on an arterial wound.

 

[dblack]

How exactly? What are you suggesting?

[MENTION=34052]g5000[/MENTION]

Is this what you mean 'get in front of it'?

http://www.usmessageboard.com/healt...at-s-wrong-with-this-picture.html#post8182913

[MENTION=30065]dblack[/MENTION]

That is not a solution, and certainly not a conservative one. It's a Band-Aid on an arterial wound.

I suspect it's what we'll get. Wanna bet against it?

 

[KevinWestern]

[MENTION=43872]PMZ[/MENTION] - Premiums are rising nationwide directly because of the ACA. This is a fact, and not crazy hearsay; happened to me, my wife, and many friends.

If the ACA is designed to make healthcare more affordable, shouldn't premiums go down?

What good does this law do me if I now pay more for less coverage?

You are spending more to reduce the odds of us having to bail you out. If you include our costs to bail you out, the two value propositions are the same.

What do you mean? Insurance was always designed as a mechanism to bail people out when they got really sick.

As I see it I had insurance before (to bail me out) and after (to bail me out), only difference now is that I need to pay much, much more for that insurance. Again, how does that reduce my costs?

 

[mudwhistle]

[MENTION=43872]PMZ[/MENTION] - Premiums are rising nationwide directly because of the ACA. This is a fact, and not crazy hearsay; happened to me, my wife, and many friends.

If the ACA is designed to make healthcare more affordable, shouldn't premiums go down?

What good does this law do me if I now pay more for less coverage?

We've been over this a thousand times with PMZ. He will explain to you that it is your fault for being an evil rich republican who defends corporate theft of working class income, by withholding jobs and pay raises to working class producers. In short the lies are justified, by the ends of working class people getting free or reduced cost health care at the expense of the evil rich. PMZ is a socialist / marxist who claims he was a Republican when he had a job. IOW he votes what is best for himself.

Fuck you, meathead.

PMS is starting to ping.......

 

[KevinWestern]

Let me give you a little lesson in insurance.

Don’t really need one.

Let's say that your insurance company sells you an automobile policy that includes minimum liability coverage. Have you saved money? The odds say the risk X consequences are about even for either, yes, you have, and bankruptcy. That’s why people elect to spread risk.

So you’re saying that as a free American we shouldn’t have the option to select a riskier policy at a lower cost if we want to?

 

[PMZ]

[MENTION=43872]PMZ[/MENTION] - Premiums are rising nationwide directly because of the ACA. This is a fact, and not crazy hearsay; happened to me, my wife, and many friends.

If the ACA is designed to make healthcare more affordable, shouldn't premiums go down?

What good does this law do me if I now pay more for less coverage?

You are spending more to reduce the odds of us having to bail you out. If you include our costs to bail you out, the two value propositions are the same.

What do you mean? Insurance was always designed as a mechanism to bail people out when they got really sick.

As I see it I had insurance before (to bail me out) and after (to bail me out), only difference now is that I need to pay much, much more for that insurance. Again, how does that reduce my costs?

How many times do I need to answer that question?

 

[PMZ]

Let me give you a little lesson in insurance.

Don’t really need one.

Let's say that your insurance company sells you an automobile policy that includes minimum liability coverage. Have you saved money? The odds say the risk X consequences are about even for either, yes, you have, and bankruptcy. That’s why people elect to spread risk.

So you’re saying that as a free American we shouldn’t have the option to select a riskier policy at a lower cost if we want to?

Not if other people have to pay the consequences.

 

[dblack]

You are spending more to reduce the odds of us having to bail you out. If you include our costs to bail you out, the two value propositions are the same.

What do you mean? Insurance was always designed as a mechanism to bail people out when they got really sick.

As I see it I had insurance before (to bail me out) and after (to bail me out), only difference now is that I need to pay much, much more for that insurance. Again, how does that reduce my costs?

How many times do I need to answer that question?

Just once would be good.

 

[Meister]

Let me give you a little lesson in insurance.

Don’t really need one.

Let's say that your insurance company sells you an automobile policy that includes minimum liability coverage. Have you saved money? The odds say the risk X consequences are about even for either, yes, you have, and bankruptcy. That’s why people elect to spread risk.

So you’re saying that as a free American we shouldn’t have the option to select a riskier policy at a lower cost if we want to?

Not if other people have to pay the consequences.

Other people are stll paying.

 

[PMZ]

Don’t really need one.


So you’re saying that as a free American we shouldn’t have the option to select a riskier policy at a lower cost if we want to?

Not if other people have to pay the consequences.

Other people are stll paying.

If you have adequate coverage, why are other people paying your health care costs?

 

[PMZ]

What do you mean? Insurance was always designed as a mechanism to bail people out when they got really sick.

As I see it I had insurance before (to bail me out) and after (to bail me out), only difference now is that I need to pay much, much more for that insurance. Again, how does that reduce my costs?

How many times do I need to answer that question?

Just once would be good.

Been there, done that.

 

[Listening]

Dad, you sitting in the Lazy boy sucking up Fox Opinions does not constitute critical thinking on your own.

It doesn't take a genius or Fox opinions to figure out we've been lied to by our president.
It doesn't take a genius or Fox opinions to figure out that this is a power grab by our president.
It doesn't take a genius or Fox opinions to figure out that our president is trying to get everyone to fall under his Obamacare exchanges, which will eventually push out private insurance.
It doesn't take a genius or Fox opinions to figure out that our government will be setting premium rates AND deductibles.
It doesn't take a genius or Fox opinions to figure out that Obama's reason for extending the signup for the 2015 rates one month from Oct. 2014 to Nov. 2014 is a pure political move to have the rates released until after the 2014 is a purely political move.
It just takes critical thinking to connect the dots.
Something your are incapable of, PMZ.

It absolutely does take Fox Opinions.

ARE YOU KIDDING ME??????

No, he's not.....

Kinda tough when one of your axioms of the universe turns out to be bulls$$t.

 

[KevinWestern]

Let me give you a little lesson in insurance.

Don’t really need one.

Let's say that your insurance company sells you an automobile policy that includes minimum liability coverage. Have you saved money? The odds say the risk X consequences are about even for either, yes, you have, and bankruptcy. That’s why people elect to spread risk.

So you’re saying that as a free American we shouldn’t have the option to select a riskier policy at a lower cost if we want to?

Not if other people have to pay the consequences.

Who are the "other people" - the hospitals? You're worried about the hospitals having to pick up the cost of people who don't pay? Are you their rep or something?

And on top of all this, HOW is Obamacare reducing costs?

 

[PMZ]

The news that I take in doesn't offer opinions. Just facts. My opinions are my own from those facts.

Yea, but you missed my point. You keep bringing up Fox news for painting Obamacare in a negative light, but forget that other networks are doing the same thing.

When you say to someone in a derogatory way "keep listening to your Fox news, etc", you should also include "..Fox, CNN, NBC, etc".

There are many news sources and many opinion sources. The only reason for paying attention to an opinion source is because you aren't capable of reliably forming your own, or you are just looking for confirmation that what you want to be true is.

 

[PMZ]

It doesn't take a genius or Fox opinions to figure out we've been lied to by our president.
It doesn't take a genius or Fox opinions to figure out that this is a power grab by our president.
It doesn't take a genius or Fox opinions to figure out that our president is trying to get everyone to fall under his Obamacare exchanges, which will eventually push out private insurance.
It doesn't take a genius or Fox opinions to figure out that our government will be setting premium rates AND deductibles.
It doesn't take a genius or Fox opinions to figure out that Obama's reason for extending the signup for the 2015 rates one month from Oct. 2014 to Nov. 2014 is a pure political move to have the rates released until after the 2014 is a purely political move.
It just takes critical thinking to connect the dots.
Something your are incapable of, PMZ.

It absolutely does take Fox Opinions.

ARE YOU KIDDING ME??????

No, he's not.....

Kinda tough when one of your axioms of the universe turns out to be bulls$$t.

Hey, if the best that you can do is just to follow other people's opinions, then that's the hand that you've been dealt.

 

[PMZ]

Don’t really need one.


So you’re saying that as a free American we shouldn’t have the option to select a riskier policy at a lower cost if we want to?

Not if other people have to pay the consequences.

Who are the "other people" - the hospitals? You're worried about the hospitals having to pick up the cost of people who don't pay? Are you their rep or something?

And on top of all this, HOW is Obamacare reducing costs?

Let's say that I have no health insurance. I get in a car accident and am taken to the hospital. $100K later I'm as good as new.

I have no insurance and no money.

Do you think that the tooth fairy pays my bill?

 

[Listening]

It absolutely does take Fox Opinions.

ARE YOU KIDDING ME??????

No, he's not.....

Kinda tough when one of your axioms of the universe turns out to be bulls$$t.

Hey, if the best that you can do is just to follow other people's opinions, then that's the hand that you've been dealt.

ESAD...

You twist and bend to get out from under supporting your assertions.

GFY

 

[KevinWestern]

Not if other people have to pay the consequences.

Who are the "other people" - the hospitals? You're worried about the hospitals having to pick up the cost of people who don't pay? Are you their rep or something?

And on top of all this, HOW is Obamacare reducing costs?

Let's say that I have no health insurance. I get in a car accident and am taken to the hospital. $100K later I'm as good as new.

I have no insurance and no money.

Do you think that the tooth fairy pays my bill?

I said that the hospital will eat those costs.

The hospital and patient had a private transaction and the patient didn't hold up their end of the bargain & hospital was forced to absorb the expense. What does this have to do with me? Why should I have to pay more?

 

[PMZ]

Who are the "other people" - the hospitals? You're worried about the hospitals having to pick up the cost of people who don't pay? Are you their rep or something?

And on top of all this, HOW is Obamacare reducing costs?

Let's say that I have no health insurance. I get in a car accident and am taken to the hospital. $100K later I'm as good as new.

I have no insurance and no money.

Do you think that the tooth fairy pays my bill?

I said that the hospital will eat those costs.

Not exactly. They will add about 7%, on the average, to everyone's bill who has coverage.

That much for really ineffective health care for many who have no choice.