What law(s) would have stopped the Buffalo shooting?

[HandleTheTruth]

And so, he bought the rifle legally, because he was not legally prohibited from doing so.

Exactly the red flag law didn't kick in because he wasn't deemed a threat to society by a damn doctor. Imagine that.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Exactly the red flag law didn't kick in because he wasn't deemed a threat to society by a damn doctor. Imagine that.

That's how the system works.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

NY gun laws:
Gun laws in New York - Wikipedia
NY has among the strongest gun laws in the US - indeed, NY has ALL the 'common sense' laws - laws, we are told,. will prevent shootings like this.
Obviously, these laws don't work.
So...
What law(s) would have stopped the Buffalo shooting?
What makes you believe this?
How do these law(s) not violate the constitution?

They are strong but not strong enough

1. From your link, permits are not required for long guns

2. NY has a red flag law, but nothing turned up on a background check, despite the fact that this guy had been confined briefly to a mental hospital. Why?

The Buffalo shooter told us who he was – why didn’t police stop him?

Payton Gendron was an internet-radicalized white supremacist who hated Black people and wanted to kill as many of them as possible (11 of the 13 victims were Black).

nypost.com

The laws allow customers over 18 to buy guns, though they need to pass a criminal background check at the time of the sale, which Gendron did.
These background checks are supposed to red-flag individuals with a history of mental illness, but that only shows up if they were institutionalized by a judge, which he wasn’t.

That fact that there was ample evidence of his emotional disturbance. He actually announced his intentions and that in itself should have been enough to flag him as someone who should not have guns. The law failed because it is inadequate.

3. While the enhanced capacity clip that he used is illegal in NY, they can be easily purchased in other states including PA. So this is not just about NY laws. It is about the need for a national standard. Perhaps limiting fire power would not have stopped this altogether but most likely fewer lives would have been lost.

As far as the constitution is concerned, the 2nd Amendment is as clear as mud and the constitutionality of any of these laws are open to debate. There is a big difference between a crazed white supremacist with an assault weapon and a "well regulated militia" with muskets

But you people act like it is all cut and dry.

 

[22lcidw]

Well there you go. Do you think they made a mistake in this case?

There are many variations of mental health professionals. Especially in this day and age. Even they do double and triple think because of all the accusations done by globalist concerns.

 

[cnm]

Gonna' try for three?

But you're helpless.
The greatest country in the world is Help. Less
There's nothing you can do.
Is there?

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

That's how the system works.

You mean fails to work

 

[Canon Shooter]

But you're helpless.
The greatest country in the world is Help. Less
There's nothing you can do.
Is there?

Sure, there's plenty I can do. I can laugh at you, for instance.

Maybe I'll do that...

 

[HandleTheTruth]

S

Sure, there's plenty I can do. I can laugh at you, for instance.

Maybe I'll do that...

U're laugh at mass murderers go ahead. You seem to think that is funny.

 

[Dante Reawakened]

NY gun laws:
Gun laws in New York - Wikipedia
NY has among the strongest gun laws in the US - indeed, NY has ALL the 'common sense' laws - laws, we are told,. will prevent shootings like this.
Obviously, these laws don't work.
So...
What law(s) would have stopped the Buffalo shooting?
What makes you believe this?
How do these law(s) not violate the constitution?

Mandatory sterilization of his parents?

 

[cnm]

Sure, there's plenty I can do. I can laugh at you, for instance.

Maybe I'll do that...

But that won't lower the rates of mass shootings and firearm homicides in the US.
You're helpless to change that. Just lie back and think of freedom...

 

[cnm]

U're laugh at mass murderers go ahead. You seem to think that is funny.

But there's nothing anyone can do about it. This thread is testimony to that.

 

[Canon Shooter]

S

U're laugh at mass murderers go ahead. You seem to think that is funny.

No, you stupid fuck, I'm laughing at cnm.

And now I'm laughing at you...

 

[cnm]

No, you stupid fuck, I'm laughing at cnm.

What a waste of time. You should be enjoying your freedom.

 

[Missourian]

New York has all the laws gun-grabbers claim over and over will stop mass shootings?

Did they?

No.

This is another nail in the coffin of gun control laws.

Assault weapon ban? New York passed it.

Universal background checks? Yep ... mandatory.

Red flag laws? Check.


Did these laws stop this mass shooting?

Nope.

If they are proven not to stop mass shootings at the state level...like we said they wouldn't...then there is zero logical reason to pass them nationally.

But don't you worry...the gun-grabbers will lie through their collective teeth promising an end to mass shooting is just one more restrictive gun law away.


Don't you believe them. They will never be happy until every gun you own is destroyed.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Sure, there's plenty I can do. I can laugh at you, for instance.

Maybe I'll do that...

Save it! Most of the developed world is already laughing

 

[M14 Shooter]

They are strong but not strong enough
1. From your link, permits are not required for long guns

Correct.
But, being someone legally able to own a gun, he could have gotten a permit.

2. NY has a red flag law, but nothing turned up on a background check, despite the fact that this guy had been confined briefly to a mental hospital. Why?

Because the medical professions who evaluated did not deem him a threat.
Had they done so, they would have been required by law to report him.

3. While the enhanced capacity clip that he used is illegal in NY, they can be easily purchased in other states including PA. So this is not just about NY laws.

"Enhanced capacity" The new buzzword?
They are illegal in NY. As such, he commit a crime by simple possessing them, and another crime by bringing them into the state (had he done so). As such, the NY law failed.

It is about the need for a national standard.

Unless that national standard included the confiscation of existing magazines, any such standard would also fail to prevent this crime.

Perhaps limiting fire power would not have stopped this altogether but most likely fewer lives would have been lost.

When you;'re the only one with a gun, magazine size doesn't matter - he could have committed this crime with a punp-action shotgun.

As far as the constitution is concerned, the 2nd Amendment is as clear as mud and the constitutionality of any of these laws are open to debate. There is a big difference between a crazed white supremacist with an assault weapon and a "well regulated militia" with muskets

You must not be up on current jurisprudence
- You don;t have to be in a militia for your right to keep and bear arms to be protected by the 2nd
- The 2nd protects the right to own an use all bearable arms, including those that did not exist in 1791.
Why do you choose to remain ignorant of this?

 

[Canon Shooter]

But that won't lower the rates of mass shootings and firearm homicides in the US.
You're helpless to change that. Just lie back and think of freedom...

The problem is that the liberals in this country are a pack of pussies. They're afraid of the criminals so, instead of trying to take action against them, they try to take action against good, law-abiding citizens. We could effectively address this problem. Unfortunately, the left doesn't have the stomach for it...

 

[M14 Shooter]

But you're helpless.
The greatest country in the world is Help. Less
There's nothing you can do.
Is there?

So...
What law(s) would have stopped the Buffalo shooting?
What makes you believe this?
How do these law(s) not violate the constitution?

 

[Canon Shooter]

What a waste of time. You should be enjoying your freedom.

Oh, trust me, I am...

 

[task0778]

New evidence is adding further context to the white supremacist mass shooting that killed 10 people in a supermarket in Buffalo, New York, on Saturday.

Payton Gendron, 18, who has been charged with murder over the attack, had previously threatened to shoot up his high school and was taken into custody for a mental health evaluation, an anonymous law enforcement source told The Associated Press.

In 2021, the then-17-year-old talked about committing a shooting at Susquehanna Valley Central High School in Broome County, New York.

The threats to the school came in comments to fellow students, The Buffalo News reported on Saturday, citing unnamed government sources.

“A school official reported that this very troubled young man had made statements indicating that he wanted to do a shooting, either at a graduation ceremony, or sometime after,” the official said.

This prompted school officials to call New York state troopers, who took Mr Gendron into custody under the state’s mental health law for evaluation.

He was in treatment for about a day and a half before being released, Buffalo police commissioner Joseph Gramaglia said during a press conference on Sunday, though he did not describe the extent or findings of the treatment.

Payton Gendron threatened school shooting and was given mental health evaluation before Buffalo attack

State police called to high school in 2021 over incident

news.yahoo.com

So, then he legally buys a gun in NY, passes their background check? How the hell does that happen?