What Should A Christian Do When He/She Knows His/Her Church Is Teaching False Doctrine

[Meriweather]

Not every time there is a natural disaster, you made that up, But in Noah's flood, god did it to kill everyone else, therefore he's a murderer.
Q: how could a regional flood of that magnitude last for 40 days?

Actually, forty-days and forty-nights is an idiom, no more literal than, "It is raining cats and dogs." It means no one knows quite how long it was, but it seemed a long time.

 

[Asclepias]

See? All you have is a book to reach your god. Nothing else.

Actually, the best way to reach/talk with God is in prayer.....
That's where you really build your relationship with Him.
Scripture give you your armor and defense for God.

A prayer that you got from a book, or taught to you by a Head Book Guy. And you need armour for your god? Let me guess, that's in the book.

Most of my prayers are conversations with God.
I understand why you say what you do, honestly, but if it's all bunk to you, it shouldn't bother you -
Or at a minimum, you are just mean spirited trying to trash what someone else holds dear to them.....

Actually, when I first came here, I was interested in what believers had to say about why they believe what they do, and if they had any proof of anything, or just believed because it sounded cool to them, or they get to join the gang... But except from you, everyone else just hurls insults at me because I keep asking them tough questions. Like: how did Noah get polar bears from the arctic and back again after the flood? This question in particular is EXTREMELY difficult for believers to answer.

Actually, it's folks like you who come into a Christian discussion with intent to derail the discussion. The thread was meant for Christians - not for atheists. You folks have no character.

Youre not a christian. You are a feral simian/troglodyte hybrid. Christians...real christians are not racists.

 

[Campbell]

You all are wasting time, emotion, energy, and probably money.

Just love God with all of your being, and love and serve your neighbor.

I believe the scripture actually is:

Mark 12:

…29Jesus answered, "The foremost is, 'HEAR, O ISRAEL! THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD; 30AND YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND, AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH.'

But what difference does it make.? God is an imaginary friend for adults.

 

[JakeStarkey]

You all are wasting time, emotion, energy, and probably money.

Just love God with all of your being, and love and serve your neighbor.

I believe the scripture actually is:

Mark 12:

…29Jesus answered, "The foremost is, 'HEAR, O ISRAEL! THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD; 30AND YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND, AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH.'

But what difference does it make.? God is an imaginary friend for adults.

So you believe.

 

[Avatar4321]

The true church with ancient submarines, magic underwear, and golden plates no ones ever seen?

Repeating the same nonsense isn't going to make it true no matter how many times you want to say it.

You should take your own advice

Trinity fucking nailed you Ava.

Why is that? Cause last I check med my information was accurate and yours demonstrates you dont know what you're talking about.

Almost nobody on earth believes your dumb stories about ancient submarines and golden plates... to be true. In fact, more people think that Smith was a con man than adhere to his cult of special underwear.

And you keep demonstrating you dont know what you are talking about. If you did you wouldn't be creating straw men. You keep arguing about ancient submarines, something nobody claims. You would know this is you actually read the Book of Mormon.

You keep attacking magic underwear which is a concept you've created. There is nothing magical about underwear (though I'm sure some might argue contrary about some Victoria secret designs).

If you can't make arguments based on the truth and have to make things up, why should anyone take you seriously?

 

[Avatar4321]

Ok. You are a Christian. You have studied the Bible yourself to show yourself approved. Now you have discovered that the church you attend is preaching one or more false doctrines. You know if you bring the matter up to the pastor you will probably be ridiculed and put down or considered a divider and troublemaker. What are you to do?

Do you continue to attend and tithe your money and support the continued spreading and teaching of this or these false doctrines?

Do you quit the church altogether?

What if there are no churches within your commute that do not embrace this/these false doctrines? Do you simply stop attending church altogether and watch a television broadcast from a pastor who does hold your beliefs?

False Doctrine.....LMAO!

All the bible is anyway is a major load of bullshit so what part can anyone select that is not false?

Let's take a look:


A ghost floating on a cloud meeting his audience to escort them through pearly gates to an exclusive community.

The 2/3 who are sinners burning eternally in a lake of fire and brimstone.

A flood covers the earth to a depth of five miles and evaporates within a few weeks.

Big fish puking up live men.

Seas separating for the good guys and drowning the bad guys chasing them.

Compound walls falling at the sound of a trumpet.

A human being turned into a pillar of salt in her tracks.

Men living through a 1200 degree furnace.

The earth standing still.

Ten commandments presented to one man, by god, in the form of a burning bush.

A man walking on water.

A man/god on earth feeding five thousand men plus women and children who also ate with two fish and five loaves then gathering 12 baskets of leftovers.

Water turned into fine wine.

Lepers healed by touching them.

Selectively raising dead men.

Virgin birth.

Resurrection.

SURELY YOU JEST!!

You know, you aren't accurately describing what happened in quite a number of stories.

 

[Taz]

Not every time there is a natural disaster, you made that up, But in Noah's flood, god did it to kill everyone else, therefore he's a murderer.
Q: how could a regional flood of that magnitude last for 40 days?

Actually, forty-days and forty-nights is an idiom, no more literal than, "It is raining cats and dogs." It means no one knows quite how long it was, but it seemed a long time.

So how many things are you allowed not to believe in before they kick you out of the Book Club?

 

[featherlite]

I hav

I missed that part as I was skimming over it.
As for what I believe... well, if God can create a universe out of nothing, I'm sure it would not be hard for him to get the animals to where they needed to go....

So you're a "poofer", someone who believes that god poofed the animals around. Just like PostModernPoop, only it took him months of beating around the bush before he'd admit it openly.

Think about it.. something had to originate at sometime... no?

What does that mean? You talking about the Big Bang?

Well you were talking about just "poofing" - and actually the Bible DOES say God spoke things into existence. God is perfect and all powerful, so, if you believe that, anything is possible. Doesn't mean however you turn your brain off -

So basically anything that you can't explain rationally, it's god's infinite power that can bridge those gaps. Very simplistic view of the world, I must say. And according to The Book, your god MURDERED all those people by drowning them in the flood. Nice guy. Where do I give my money?

Who is forcing you to? If you dont beleive in this stuff at all, why troll a thread where someone asked an honest question...its not in the main forum.
...and why do you have that srange horned avie wth blank eyes. lol

Its not about giving money. If its used for the right reasons, many people can be helped. That rarely makes the news. Things like that hardly ever makes the trending now section.

 

[Campbell]

Repeating the same nonsense isn't going to make it true no matter how many times you want to say it.

You should take your own advice

Trinity fucking nailed you Ava.

Why is that? Cause last I check med my information was accurate and yours demonstrates you dont know what you're talking about.

Almost nobody on earth believes your dumb stories about ancient submarines and golden plates... to be true. In fact, more people think that Smith was a con man than adhere to his cult of special underwear.

And you keep demonstrating you dont know what you are talking about. If you did you wouldn't be creating straw men. You keep arguing about ancient submarines, something nobody claims. You would know this is you actually read the Book of Mormon.

You keep attacking magic underwear which is a concept you've created. There is nothing magical about underwear (though I'm sure some might argue contrary about some Victoria secret designs).

If you can't make arguments based on the truth and have to make things up, why should anyone take you seriously?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Campbell, trying to hurt other is not going to make you feel better. Ever.

You have a decades old emotional injury that you will not let heal.

Life is full of pain, suffering, grief, and it ends in death, for everyone.

Hanging onto the hurt instead of living for life is the road to a sad life.

My first wife, my father, my mother, two of my sisters, and my oldest daughter died in just a few short years.

I know of what I speak, and I have found comfort in the Lord and doing good for others.

 

[Taz]

Repeating the same nonsense isn't going to make it true no matter how many times you want to say it.

You should take your own advice

Trinity fucking nailed you Ava.

Why is that? Cause last I check med my information was accurate and yours demonstrates you dont know what you're talking about.

Almost nobody on earth believes your dumb stories about ancient submarines and golden plates... to be true. In fact, more people think that Smith was a con man than adhere to his cult of special underwear.

And you keep demonstrating you dont know what you are talking about. If you did you wouldn't be creating straw men. You keep arguing about ancient submarines, something nobody claims. You would know this is you actually read the Book of Mormon.

You keep attacking magic underwear which is a concept you've created. There is nothing magical about underwear (though I'm sure some might argue contrary about some Victoria secret designs).

If you can't make arguments based on the truth and have to make things up, why should anyone take you seriously?

I was going to call it "special" undergarments, but I thought you might think that I thought you were retarded or something.
No one outside your cult believes in golden plates that nobody has ever seen. Plus, the Book of Mormon says that wheat and barley were mainstay crops in ancient America. This is false. Only in Europe were those crops known and cultivated. And the actual staple crops grown in ancient America are never mentioned in the Book of Mormon: beans, sweet potatoes, squash, manioc, peppers, breadnut, fruits.

 

[Avatar4321]

Repeating the same nonsense isn't going to make it true no matter how many times you want to say it.

You should take your own advice

Trinity fucking nailed you Ava.

Why is that? Cause last I check med my information was accurate and yours demonstrates you dont know what you're talking about.

Almost nobody on earth believes your dumb stories about ancient submarines and golden plates... to be true. In fact, more people think that Smith was a con man than adhere to his cult of special underwear.

All religions were originated by con men. In every case those who told the original lies were ultimately the benefactors.

Mormonism just happens to be the most recent lie and because more people are better educated and less superstitious it is doubted much more. Joseph Smith and Brigham Young got more young ass than a cowboy's saddle during that fiasco . Nearly 100 young wives total for the two of them. I still wonder who in the fuck ended up with those gold tabloids inscribed with their holy word which the angel Mormon brought to Smith.

Christianity in total turned out well for the Romans.....take a gander at this shit:

Angel Mormon? This is your example of better educated about it?

It's amazing the circular reasoning used to justify remaining ignorant. Why don't you guys try studying the Book of Mormon instead looking for reasons why you shouldn't have to? Are you really that scared that it wont be what you expect? I guess it's better to pontificate in ignorance on a subject than it is to understand it. I happen to disagree.

But then I've read the Book of Mormon and I know what it says and what it does say. And if you accept the possibility that it's true you would have to accept Jesus Christ as your savior. That means you might actually be accountable for actions.

That is scary for alot of people in our age.

 

[Avatar4321]

Not if you reject the Word of God. Jesus stated pretty clearly in John 10:34-38 that the Lord was talking about those who received the word in that verse. Those who reject the word have no claim to that title.

I don't reject the word of god, I'm just still waiting for him to say something to me.

Whenever a Christian communicates with you, God is communicating with you - not that all Christian's are God but, we are God's mouthpiece (or can be anyway....)

No offense, but most Christians are retards and believe in a book or books. If you think that your god is communicating to you through a book, you're almost insane. Certainly bordering on delusional.

I Corinthians 2:14
“The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.”

See? All you have is a book to reach your god. Nothing else.

Which tells me you didn't read the book or you wouldn't be lying like that.

 

[featherlite]

Campbell, trying to hurt other is not going to make you feel better. Ever.

You have a decades old emotional injury that you will not let heal.

Life is full of pain, suffering, grief, and it ends in death, for everyone.

Hanging onto the hurt instead of living for life is the road to a sad life.

My first wife, my father, my mother, two of my sisters, and my oldest daughter died in just a few short years.

I know of what I speak, and I have found comfort in the Lord and doing good for others.

Wise words Jayke.
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you definition. A command based on words of Jesus in the Sermon on the Mount: “All things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them.” The Mosaic law contains a parallel commandment: “Whatever is hurtful to you, do not do to any other person.”

Sometimes hard to do, and almost impossible on this board.

...and yes thats a copy and paste. I do get the core of the message..but eloquent wording is not my forte.

 

[Avatar4321]

Whenever a Christian communicates with you, God is communicating with you - not that all Christian's are God but, we are God's mouthpiece (or can be anyway....)

No offense, but most Christians are retards and believe in a book or books. If you think that your god is communicating to you through a book, you're almost insane. Certainly bordering on delusional.

I Corinthians 2:14
“The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.”

See? All you have is a book to reach your god. Nothing else.

Actually, the best way to reach/talk with God is in prayer.....
That's where you really build your relationship with Him.
Scripture give you your armor and defense for God.

A prayer that you got from a book, or taught to you by a Head Book Guy. And you need armour for your god? Let me guess, that's in the book.

Prayers come from your heart. You'd know this if you put in some effort

 

[Avatar4321]

I Corinthians 2:14
“The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.”

See? All you have is a book to reach your god. Nothing else.

Actually, the best way to reach/talk with God is in prayer.....
That's where you really build your relationship with Him.
Scripture give you your armor and defense for God.

A prayer that you got from a book, or taught to you by a Head Book Guy. And you need armour for your god? Let me guess, that's in the book.

Most of my prayers are conversations with God.
I understand why you say what you do, honestly, but if it's all bunk to you, it shouldn't bother you -
Or at a minimum, you are just mean spirited trying to trash what someone else holds dear to them.....

Actually, when I first came here, I was interested in what believers had to say about why they believe what they do, and if they had any proof of anything, or just believed because it sounded cool to them, or they get to join the gang... But except from you, everyone else just hurls insults at me because I keep asking them tough questions. Like: how did Noah get polar bears from the arctic and back again after the flood? This question in particular is EXTREMELY difficult for believers to answer.

No. What is difficult is getting you to acknowledge and listen to the answers.

 

[Avatar4321]

William Barclay, a Church of Scotland minister born at the beginning of the last century, wrote a set of books of biblical scholarship for the average reader. His scholarly volumes on the Book of Revelation are likely to be an eye opener for those who tend to get their doctrine of Revelation from ideas that were developed during the fifteen hundreds.

As for the eternal fate of departed souls: I tend to go mostly with Christ's remark that God is God of the living, not the dead; that those who choose a life close to God will be welcome in that kingdom; while those who choose to live apart from God and His way of being loving servants towards all will be able to dwell apart from God.

Jews and early Christians believed that souls may undergo purification (or purging of sin) after death. Jewish belief holds that such purification takes no longer than a year; Early Christian/Catholic belief assigns no time. One of Peter's letters possibly references Jesus preaching to these captives.

Some doctrines teach that upon death people enter soul sleep, and remain there until the end of the world when everyone rises together. My own belief/experience is that upon death people do not fall asleep, but enter into eternal life. However, I don't think people holding to the belief of soul sleep should be dismissed. There are passages in scripture that may suggest such a thing.

Gods word clearly teaches-- on the day of ones death, all thought stops. The resurrection is foretold for the last day in revelation, this is post Harmageddon at judgement.

If thought stops at death, how did Christ preach to the dead between his death and resurrection and meet the thief in paradise that day?

He didn't. Go back and see what the discussion was actually about. Find the subject being discussed. If Christ went anywhere at all except to his tomb where he was dead as a doornail, then you and I are both dead in our sins.

And yet the scriptures are clear that He met the third in paradise the day He died. And that He preached the gospel to the spirits who were killed during the flood.

There is a space between death and resurrection where the spirits of the dead await the time their bodies will reunite with their spirits. And in this place we will grow, learn, and prepare for the day of judgment

Continue to believe your fairy tales.

I prefer the truth. The scriptures are clear on that regard

 

[Avatar4321]

Humble yourself and Join the true Church

All religions/churches say they are The True Church.

Humble yourself and Join the true Church

The true church with ancient submarines, magic underwear, and golden plates no ones ever seen?

Repeating the same nonsense isn't going to make it true no matter how many times you want to say it.

Then stop doing it.

You are not qualified to preach to anyone what to believe.

Believe in Christ. Believe that He is. Believe that He can heal you.

Because He is and can.

 

[Avatar4321]

Ok. You are a Christian. You have studied the Bible yourself to show yourself approved. Now you have discovered that the church you attend is preaching one or more false doctrines. You know if you bring the matter up to the pastor you will probably be ridiculed and put down or considered a divider and troublemaker. What are you to do?

Do you continue to attend and tithe your money and support the continued spreading and teaching of this or these false doctrines?

Do you quit the church altogether?

What if there are no churches within your commute that do not embrace this/these false doctrines? Do you simply stop attending church altogether and watch a television broadcast from a pastor who does hold your beliefs?

False Doctrine.....LMAO!

All the bible is anyway is a major load of bullshit so what part can anyone select that is not false?

Let's take a look:


A ghost floating on a cloud meeting his audience to escort them through pearly gates to an exclusive community.

The 2/3 who are sinners burning eternally in a lake of fire and brimstone.

A flood covers the earth to a depth of five miles and evaporates within a few weeks.

Big fish puking up live men.

Seas separating for the good guys and drowning the bad guys chasing them.

Compound walls falling at the sound of a trumpet.

A human being turned into a pillar of salt in her tracks.

Men living through a 1200 degree furnace.

The earth standing still.

Ten commandments presented to one man, by god, in the form of a burning bush.

A man walking on water.

A man/god on earth feeding five thousand men plus women and children who also ate with two fish and five loaves then gathering 12 baskets of leftovers.

Water turned into fine wine.

Lepers healed by touching them.

Selectively raising dead men.

Virgin birth.

Resurrection.

SURELY YOU JEST!!

Actually, were you to read and comprehend the OP, you might determine it was addressed to Christians.

His point is valid.

How can one know what is "false" and what is not?

The very definition of "faith" is to ignore facts in favor of blind obedience to "doctrine".

The Holy Spirit teaches the truth of all things.

Faith isn't blind. Disbelief is.

 

[the_human_being]

Gods word clearly teaches-- on the day of ones death, all thought stops. The resurrection is foretold for the last day in revelation, this is post Harmageddon at judgement.

If thought stops at death, how did Christ preach to the dead between his death and resurrection and meet the thief in paradise that day?

He didn't. Go back and see what the discussion was actually about. Find the subject being discussed. If Christ went anywhere at all except to his tomb where he was dead as a doornail, then you and I are both dead in our sins.

And yet the scriptures are clear that He met the third in paradise the day He died. And that He preached the gospel to the spirits who were killed during the flood.

There is a space between death and resurrection where the spirits of the dead await the time their bodies will reunite with their spirits. And in this place we will grow, learn, and prepare for the day of judgment

Continue to believe your fairy tales.

I prefer the truth. The scriptures are clear on that regard

Indeed they certainly are. Very clear. But as with TAZ, I have covered the whole thing with you before and you refused to accept it so why bother going through it again with you?