What should the verdict be in the Floyd trial?

[jc456]

As I said in another thread:

Minnesota's third-degree murder statute reads: "Whoever, without intent…causes the death of another by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life…"

"perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others" - the Minneapolis police are instructed to do this to subdue somebody who is resisting arrest, right? So, is it eminently dangerous to others? Eminently means 'extremely'; is it really? How many others have died from a knee to the neck vs how many didn't? Would Floyd have died if he didn't have that Fentenyl in his body? Absent that condition was the action Chauvin took extremely dangerous to others?

"evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life…" - how the hell do you prove that in a court of law? Chauvin was performing his duty according to his training, was he not? How are you going to show a 'depraved mind' when his training told him to do it?

All that said, an argument could be made that Chauvin should have taken his knee off Floyd's neck sooner than he did. I don't know the correct term for that misconduct, but I don't think he is guilty of 3rd degree murder.

To the OP's question, I think Chauvin should be found guilty of the charges brought. I do think he was guilty of some kind of lesser charge, whatever you might call that. The knee to the neck is standard procedure, no? (Asking, don't really know for sure.) How many people die from that if they do not have a prior debilitating health condition? I'm thinking not so many, thus it ain't eminently dangerous.

What was the act?

 

[jc456]

Manslaughter

Why?

 

[jc456]

Quoting your post, Then we have Chauvin getting on a power trip and kneeling on the mans neck for 10 minuets. That is a fucking lie. I also stand by my assertion that is backed in both of my sources that the man had ingested lethal amounts of fentanyl and methamphetamine prior to the incident. You are a lying pos. Take your garbage down the road.

The autopsy said no such thing. In fact just the opposite

The fk it didn’t

 

[jc456]

They are going for 3rd degree murder. Did the cop commit 3rd degree murder?

Murder in United States law - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Minnesota 3rd degree murder is pretty similar to manslaughter. Definitely fits this situation better than 1st or 2nd degree.

Except one thing, audio shows Floyd complained about not be able to breathe before he was on the ground! That’s a fact

 

[jc456]

As I said in another thread:

Minnesota's third-degree murder statute reads: "Whoever, without intent…causes the death of another by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life…"

"perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others" - the Minneapolis police are instructed to do this to subdue somebody who is resisting arrest, right? So, is it eminently dangerous to others? Eminently means 'extremely'; is it really? How many others have died from a knee to the neck vs how many didn't? Would Floyd have died if he didn't have that Fentenyl in his body? Absent that condition was the action Chauvin took extremely dangerous to others?

"evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life…" - how the hell do you prove that in a court of law? Chauvin was performing his duty according to his training, was he not? How are you going to show a 'depraved mind' when his training told him to do it?

All that said, an argument could be made that Chauvin should have taken his knee off Floyd's neck sooner than he did. I don't know the correct term for that misconduct, but I don't think he is guilty of 3rd degree murder.

To the OP's question, I think Chauvin should be found guilty of the charges brought. I do think he was guilty of some kind of lesser charge, whatever you might call that. The knee to the neck is standard procedure, no? (Asking, don't really know for sure.) How many people die from that if they do not have a prior debilitating health condition? I'm thinking not so many, thus it ain't eminently dangerous.

So cops should find out if you have a health condition before they bounce on your neck for nine minutes?

Why? If you have health issues or drug issues, that’s on you

 

[Issa]

Impossible to say before a single witness is heard or a single piece of evidence is shown.

However, I'm more concerned about the BLM/Antifa mobs intimidating jurors. If I lived in Hennepin County I would be hard pressed to vote for innocence even if I thought the case wasn't proven. Its tough to watch your house burn because you don't go along with the liberal mob.

hahaha i'm sorry but what other evidence and witnesses are needed? we have multiple HD videos with sound of the cop killing the man.

Kneeling on Floyd's neck didn't kill him. An OD and a corona virus are what caused his death.

Wrong. The officer killed him, stop lying to yourself. It is on video.

 

[Issa]

Impossible to say before a single witness is heard or a single piece of evidence is shown.

However, I'm more concerned about the BLM/Antifa mobs intimidating jurors. If I lived in Hennepin County I would be hard pressed to vote for innocence even if I thought the case wasn't proven. Its tough to watch your house burn because you don't go along with the liberal mob.

hahaha i'm sorry but what other evidence and witnesses are needed? we have multiple HD videos with sound of the cop killing the man.

No we don't. Thats just more lies that the media is pumping out to the emotional weaklings who are lapping the propaganda up. According to the evidence, chauvin is innocent.

Wow you sir are beyond help. God help you !!!

 

[Snouter]

It is real simple have a 300 pound individual position himself exactly as the cop on a 150 pound volunteer in the court room and see if it prevents the volunteer from breathing. The Black, criminal drug addict croaked of a drug overdose. A knee to the trap muscles of the rear neck is physically impossible to interfere with breathing, despite what zionist Sean Hannity says. Power lifters apply 800 pounds plus to the rear of the neck when doing squats, etc.

 

[JoeB131]

I have no clue. I have heard that Floyd would be dead (from drugs) regardless of the crap with the cops. Apparently, he was so loaded up that he was dying as he was screaming at the cops (which is kinda hard to understand - "I can't breath" - yet he had enough oxygen left to make that statement....so rather than jump to conclusions, I don't know.

What I DO know, for a fact, is that I am an old man. Back in the dark ages, when I was a smart assed teenager, you mouthed off to a cop, you were going to "fall up the stairs" on the way to the station. God help you if you decided to mouth off and then throw a punch....

Today? What the hell are the cops supposed to do? Beg a suspect to behave? Good Lord....and we wonder why this country is going to hell as fast as it can go.......

So you miss the good old days when cops would abuse people.

Here's what happened. We all got cell phones, and caught cops abusing people on tape, and were horrified by it.

 

[Lesh]

Except one thing, audio shows Floyd complained about not be able to breathe before he was on the ground! That’s a fact

All the more reason NOT to put a knee on his neck for NINE minutes

 

[jc456]

Except one thing, audio shows Floyd complained about not be able to breathe before he was on the ground! That’s a fact

All the more reason NOT to put a knee on his neck for NINE minutes

that officer wasn't there then. All Floyd had to do was follow instructions. again, the drugs created the condition. no one else, self inflicted to his health issue.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Impossible to say before a single witness is heard or a single piece of evidence is shown.

However, I'm more concerned about the BLM/Antifa mobs intimidating jurors. If I lived in Hennepin County I would be hard pressed to vote for innocence even if I thought the case wasn't proven. Its tough to watch your house burn because you don't go along with the liberal mob.

hahaha i'm sorry but what other evidence and witnesses are needed? we have multiple HD videos with sound of the cop killing the man.

No we don't. Thats just more lies that the media is pumping out to the emotional weaklings who are lapping the propaganda up. According to the evidence, chauvin is innocent.

Wow you sir are beyond help. God help you !!!

I guess I am beyond help for looking at facts not emotional goo.

 

[FA_Q2]

How can they allow anarchists to just take over parts of a city with no repercussions?

because of their skin color and politics, that’s it.

If white people did this for some cliche right wing reason, we all know the military would be sent in, and the media would present it as catastrophic front page news for weeks.

thank you Obama for mainstreaming identity politics (aka racism)

Manslaughter.

With what we know now, I think that is a pretty clear cut case of manslaughter and should be easy to get a conviction on. Murder 1 or 2? Not a snowballs chance in hell. I

Another interesting question is weather or not a charge of manslaughter will appease the angry mob. I am betting it will not as they will riot over the fact Chauvin was not convicted of murder if he just gets a manslaughter charge.

Murder 3 is harder, not sure you can establish Chauvin was 'depraved' in this case.

Chauvin did not introduce a fatal dose of fentanyl to George Floyd. That thug had already killed himself. Suicide is not murder or manslaughter.

Nope suicide is not manslaughter.

And your point was......

Because suicide is not what Floyd did nor does it match any of the actual data. What we have is Floyd making a string of really shitty decisions and taking a bunch of drugs putting himself in a bad position.

Then we have Chauvin getting on a power trip and kneeling on the mans neck for 10 minuets. Manslaughter - killing someone through negligence. If Floyd had died in the back of the squad car you might have a point. It took all of it to kill him - the drugs, the resisting arrest and the knee on his neck.

Normal Bullshit. Just keep embellishing that story--you apparently didn't listen to the BLM rioters, it was 8 minutes 46 seconds not 10 minutes. Floyd would have died of a fentanyl overdose that day if the police had stayed home. Take your BS down the road.

Would he?

That is conjecture. It is also not what the corner stated.

I am not embellishing a damn thing. The facts just do not support the claim Chauvin had nothing to do with Floyd's death.

You are flat out lying then. Chauvin did not have his knee on Floyd's neck for 10 minutes--it was 8 min, 46 seconds. Please keep up. Uninformed people should just STFU.

And?

Is rounding unknown to you? Do you really think the 1 min and 14 seconds is the difference between innocent and guilty? Is that all you really have?

Moron, rounding is 9 min. not 10. Ten is gross exaggeration (embellishment). A lethal dose of self administered fentanyl is suicide--not murder or manslaughter. Manslaughter is also embellishment. The man committed suicide and was used by the DNC/BLM as a distraction to aid the democrats in an illegitimate election bid. How's it feel to used as a useless pawn to be discarded when they get tired of you.

So that is a yes. That is all you have. more ranting and bullshit pulled from your ass. Carry on.

You are a FUCKING LIAR. Own it. You're the same ilk as the democrats and Burn Loot Murder.

Uh huh.

I directly quoted YOUR sources and showed how they, and the facts, disagree with your position. A reality you have yet to even face let alone deal with. But, again, all you have is name calling and partisan ignorance.

Quoting your post, Then we have Chauvin getting on a power trip and kneeling on the mans neck for 10 minuets. That is a fucking lie. I also stand by my assertion that is backed in both of my sources that the man had ingested lethal amounts of fentanyl and methamphetamine prior to the incident. You are a lying pos. Take your garbage down the road.

lol. And yet I quoted both your sources on the actual cause of death.

And you cannot address anything. All you can do is name call. That is what you are left with when you all you have is stamping your foot and demanding you are right. My 2 year old had better reasoning.

 

[Concerned American]

How can they allow anarchists to just take over parts of a city with no repercussions?

because of their skin color and politics, that’s it.

If white people did this for some cliche right wing reason, we all know the military would be sent in, and the media would present it as catastrophic front page news for weeks.

thank you Obama for mainstreaming identity politics (aka racism)

Manslaughter.

With what we know now, I think that is a pretty clear cut case of manslaughter and should be easy to get a conviction on. Murder 1 or 2? Not a snowballs chance in hell. I

Another interesting question is weather or not a charge of manslaughter will appease the angry mob. I am betting it will not as they will riot over the fact Chauvin was not convicted of murder if he just gets a manslaughter charge.

Murder 3 is harder, not sure you can establish Chauvin was 'depraved' in this case.

Chauvin did not introduce a fatal dose of fentanyl to George Floyd. That thug had already killed himself. Suicide is not murder or manslaughter.

Nope suicide is not manslaughter.

And your point was......

Because suicide is not what Floyd did nor does it match any of the actual data. What we have is Floyd making a string of really shitty decisions and taking a bunch of drugs putting himself in a bad position.

Then we have Chauvin getting on a power trip and kneeling on the mans neck for 10 minuets. Manslaughter - killing someone through negligence. If Floyd had died in the back of the squad car you might have a point. It took all of it to kill him - the drugs, the resisting arrest and the knee on his neck.

Normal Bullshit. Just keep embellishing that story--you apparently didn't listen to the BLM rioters, it was 8 minutes 46 seconds not 10 minutes. Floyd would have died of a fentanyl overdose that day if the police had stayed home. Take your BS down the road.

Would he?

That is conjecture. It is also not what the corner stated.

I am not embellishing a damn thing. The facts just do not support the claim Chauvin had nothing to do with Floyd's death.

You are flat out lying then. Chauvin did not have his knee on Floyd's neck for 10 minutes--it was 8 min, 46 seconds. Please keep up. Uninformed people should just STFU.

And?

Is rounding unknown to you? Do you really think the 1 min and 14 seconds is the difference between innocent and guilty? Is that all you really have?

Moron, rounding is 9 min. not 10. Ten is gross exaggeration (embellishment). A lethal dose of self administered fentanyl is suicide--not murder or manslaughter. Manslaughter is also embellishment. The man committed suicide and was used by the DNC/BLM as a distraction to aid the democrats in an illegitimate election bid. How's it feel to used as a useless pawn to be discarded when they get tired of you.

So that is a yes. That is all you have. more ranting and bullshit pulled from your ass. Carry on.

You are a FUCKING LIAR. Own it. You're the same ilk as the democrats and Burn Loot Murder.

Uh huh.

I directly quoted YOUR sources and showed how they, and the facts, disagree with your position. A reality you have yet to even face let alone deal with. But, again, all you have is name calling and partisan ignorance.

Quoting your post, Then we have Chauvin getting on a power trip and kneeling on the mans neck for 10 minuets. That is a fucking lie. I also stand by my assertion that is backed in both of my sources that the man had ingested lethal amounts of fentanyl and methamphetamine prior to the incident. You are a lying pos. Take your garbage down the road.

lol. And yet I quoted both your sources on the actual cause of death.

And you cannot address anything. All you can do is name call. That is what you are left with when you all you have is stamping your foot and demanding you are right. My 2 year old had better reasoning.

How long was Chauvin restraining the thug? C'mon, democrat BLM liar, tell me. You and your ilk hollered it from the rooftops--8 min. 46 seconds. Not the TEN MINUTES that you LIED about above. Tell the truth and then we can talk--until then--You are just a COMMON LIAR.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

They are going for 3rd degree murder. Did the cop commit 3rd degree murder?

Murder in United States law - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Assault.
That's about it.
George Floyd died because he ingested multiple times the lethal does of an illegal drug.
As the unedited video has shown, he was saying he couldn't breathe while sitting in the back of the patrol car before being pinned down.
Two simple questions:
1) Would Mr. Floyd be dead if he had not taken the drug? - NO
2) Would he be dead if he wasn't pinned to the ground? - YES

Therefore, how on earth could the fault of his death been the pinning, and not the drug?

 

[JoeB131]

Assault.
That's about it.
George Floyd died because he ingested multiple times the lethal does of an illegal drug.
As the unedited video has shown, he was saying he couldn't breathe while sitting in the back of the patrol car before being pinned down.
Two simple questions:
1) Would Mr. Floyd be dead if he had not taken the drug? - NO
2) Would he be dead if he wasn't pinned to the ground? - YES

Therefore, how on earth could the fault of his death been the pinning, and not the drug?

Actually, he's dead because a thug cop put a knee on his neck for 9 minutes. That's why he died.

Now, classic Law School Exam - If you shoot someone who jumped from the top of a building on his way down, are you still guilty of murder.

The point was, Floyd didn't die of a drug overdose. He might have an hour or a day or a week later, but he didn't. He died after Chauvin put a knee on his neck.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Assault.
That's about it.
George Floyd died because he ingested multiple times the lethal does of an illegal drug.
As the unedited video has shown, he was saying he couldn't breathe while sitting in the back of the patrol car before being pinned down.
Two simple questions:
1) Would Mr. Floyd be dead if he had not taken the drug? - NO
2) Would he be dead if he wasn't pinned to the ground? - YES

Therefore, how on earth could the fault of his death been the pinning, and not the drug?

Actually, he's dead because a thug cop put a knee on his neck for 9 minutes. That's why he died.

Now, classic Law School Exam - If you shoot someone who jumped from the top of a building on his way down, are you still guilty of murder.

The point was, Floyd didn't die of a drug overdose. He might have an hour or a day or a week later, but he didn't. He died after Chauvin put a knee on his neck.

That is your opinion, not based on facts.
Again - if Floyd had not taken MULTIPLE times the lethal does of an illegal narcotic - he would not have died. Again - he was complaining of not being able to breathe while still in the car, not even on the ground.
Chauvin is a dick. He is an abusive cop that should have been removed from the force. And I agree that he used unnecessary force, to the point he should be charged with aggravated assault... and maybe even negligent homicide. But not murder.

 

[FA_Q2]

How can they allow anarchists to just take over parts of a city with no repercussions?

because of their skin color and politics, that’s it.

If white people did this for some cliche right wing reason, we all know the military would be sent in, and the media would present it as catastrophic front page news for weeks.

thank you Obama for mainstreaming identity politics (aka racism)

Manslaughter.

With what we know now, I think that is a pretty clear cut case of manslaughter and should be easy to get a conviction on. Murder 1 or 2? Not a snowballs chance in hell. I

Another interesting question is weather or not a charge of manslaughter will appease the angry mob. I am betting it will not as they will riot over the fact Chauvin was not convicted of murder if he just gets a manslaughter charge.

Murder 3 is harder, not sure you can establish Chauvin was 'depraved' in this case.

Chauvin did not introduce a fatal dose of fentanyl to George Floyd. That thug had already killed himself. Suicide is not murder or manslaughter.

Nope suicide is not manslaughter.

And your point was......

Because suicide is not what Floyd did nor does it match any of the actual data. What we have is Floyd making a string of really shitty decisions and taking a bunch of drugs putting himself in a bad position.

Then we have Chauvin getting on a power trip and kneeling on the mans neck for 10 minuets. Manslaughter - killing someone through negligence. If Floyd had died in the back of the squad car you might have a point. It took all of it to kill him - the drugs, the resisting arrest and the knee on his neck.

Normal Bullshit. Just keep embellishing that story--you apparently didn't listen to the BLM rioters, it was 8 minutes 46 seconds not 10 minutes. Floyd would have died of a fentanyl overdose that day if the police had stayed home. Take your BS down the road.

Would he?

That is conjecture. It is also not what the corner stated.

I am not embellishing a damn thing. The facts just do not support the claim Chauvin had nothing to do with Floyd's death.

You are flat out lying then. Chauvin did not have his knee on Floyd's neck for 10 minutes--it was 8 min, 46 seconds. Please keep up. Uninformed people should just STFU.

And?

Is rounding unknown to you? Do you really think the 1 min and 14 seconds is the difference between innocent and guilty? Is that all you really have?

Moron, rounding is 9 min. not 10. Ten is gross exaggeration (embellishment). A lethal dose of self administered fentanyl is suicide--not murder or manslaughter. Manslaughter is also embellishment. The man committed suicide and was used by the DNC/BLM as a distraction to aid the democrats in an illegitimate election bid. How's it feel to used as a useless pawn to be discarded when they get tired of you.

So that is a yes. That is all you have. more ranting and bullshit pulled from your ass. Carry on.

You are a FUCKING LIAR. Own it. You're the same ilk as the democrats and Burn Loot Murder.

Uh huh.

I directly quoted YOUR sources and showed how they, and the facts, disagree with your position. A reality you have yet to even face let alone deal with. But, again, all you have is name calling and partisan ignorance.

Quoting your post, Then we have Chauvin getting on a power trip and kneeling on the mans neck for 10 minuets. That is a fucking lie. I also stand by my assertion that is backed in both of my sources that the man had ingested lethal amounts of fentanyl and methamphetamine prior to the incident. You are a lying pos. Take your garbage down the road.

lol. And yet I quoted both your sources on the actual cause of death.

And you cannot address anything. All you can do is name call. That is what you are left with when you all you have is stamping your foot and demanding you are right. My 2 year old had better reasoning.

How long was Chauvin restraining the thug? C'mon, democrat BLM liar, tell me. You and your ilk hollered it from the rooftops--8 min. 46 seconds. Not the TEN MINUTES that you LIED about above. Tell the truth and then we can talk--until then--You are just a COMMON LIAR.

8 min and 46 seconds...

and?


Does that address anything?

 

[FA_Q2]

They are going for 3rd degree murder. Did the cop commit 3rd degree murder?

Murder in United States law - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Assault.
That's about it.
George Floyd died because he ingested multiple times the lethal does of an illegal drug.
As the unedited video has shown, he was saying he couldn't breathe while sitting in the back of the patrol car before being pinned down.
Two simple questions:
1) Would Mr. Floyd be dead if he had not taken the drug? - NO
2) Would he be dead if he wasn't pinned to the ground? - YES

Therefore, how on earth could the fault of his death been the pinning, and not the drug?

Because you incorrectly assume that he would be dead if he was not pinned to the ground - an assumption that the corner directly refuted.

 

[d0gbreath]

Murder one. I realize that murder three is the worst that he can get. That sucks.