Zone1 what would you say?

[Vastator]

The law in the body of Moses is still in effect, you say. Just as the prophets in that body are still in effect, then.

Some would argue that, to try and achieve salvation through adherence to the old covenant, Mosaic Law, is to deny the grace offered by the death, and resurrection of Christ.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

That's exactly what I think it says. Why do you think he said that if we can now just ignore the Old Testament?

you don't ignore the Old Testament it just isn't in effect anymore.

 

[norwegen]

Some would argue that, to try and achieve salvation through adherence to the old covenant, Mosaic Law, is to deny the grace offered by the death, and resurrection of Christ.

That old law is no longer in effect. And even if it were, it would not apply to you or me. Its jurisdiction extended only to that ancient tribal people we call Israel.

 

[BULLDOG]

I would ask them why they believed they were Christian...

Doesn't matter why. Say you are a Christian, and you are a Christian. There is no committee to determine who can or can't claim to be Christian.

 

[eagle1462010]

what would you say about someone that denied everything that happened in the Bible, defended those attacking the bible and Jesus and still claimed to be Christian?

They can go to Hell

 

[Vastator]

Doesn't matter why. Say you are a Christian, and you are a Christian. There is no committee to determine who can or can't claim to be Christian.

Sure it matters. Simply claiming to be a thing; doesn't make one, that thing. Anymore than a man claiming to be a woman, makes them a woman.

 

[BULLDOG]

The law in the body of Moses is still in effect, you say. Just as the prophets in that body are still in effect, then.

I'm not saying anything other than what is in the bible.

 

[BULLDOG]

you don't ignore the Old Testament it just isn't in effect anymore.

So, we can JUST IGNORE all the rules and regulations from the OT?

 

[BULLDOG]

Sure it matters. Simply claiming to be a thing; doesn't make one, that thing. Anymore than a man claiming to be a woman, makes them a woman.

So, who do you think is responsible for determining who is a Christian?

 

[Vastator]

So, who do you think is responsible for determining who is a Christian?

Ultimately Christ. But in this particular instance, offered by the OP; I'd have to ask a person why they would claim to be an adherent to something they claim not to believe in. Just sounds kind of stupid...

 

[Meriweather]

Maintaining Christian values of family, clean living, helping others is more important than memorizing passages in the Bible

Those values are not restricted to only Christians.

Christians not only work to and live these values, but also work on and value their relationship with God.

 

[BULLDOG]

Christians not only work to and live these values, but also work on and value their relationship with God.

Lots of people from other religions, and from no religion work and live these values.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

there are already people that claim to be true LDS that still practice polygamy. They are not LDS.

They are FLDS.

I am saying you will LDS today that will create a LDS polygamous church and an LDS monogamous church.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

In denying the New Testament, would you know the intent of Christianity?

norwegen, there are least ten thousand different NT denominations, so don't go too heavy, huh?

 

[Meriweather]

One is not faithful if they disbelieve that Jesus committed miracles or that the Bible is not true and God's word. One does not get to pick and choose what to believe and what to not believe in the Bible. As for days yes there is no set time for some days, for example the 7 days that God used to create the earth and man are not 24 hour days.

Those who have had no miracles in their own lives may find it nearly impossible to hold belief in any miracle. For example, do you believe in the apparitions of Mary in Medjugorje?

If one cannot believe in Jesus' miracles, they miss knowing a part of him. However, the lessons miracle stories convey can still be a blessing to them.

 

[Meriweather]

So how do you determine which parts you can ignore?

you don't ignore any of it, the Old Testament is no longer in force but is a history to follow what God did.

What part(s) of the Old Testament are no longer in force? Are you speaking of dietary law? Those are for a select group of people. In the Catholic faith we hear that the New Testament is hidden in the Old Testament, and the Old Testament is revealed in the New Testament.

 

[Meriweather]

So, we can JUST IGNORE all the rules and regulations from the OT?

Many of the rules and practices were set for the people God chose and set aside. The Noachide rules are for everyone else.

 

[rightwinger]

Christians not only work to and live these values, but also work on and value their relationship with God.

Some do

 

[Meriweather]

Lots of people from other religions, and from no religion work and live these values.

No argument there. The difference is their interaction/relationship with God. I can say 'Om', but that doesn't make me Hindu, Jain, Buddhist. There is more to those faiths than 'Om' and like Christianity, there is more to those faiths than values so many of us practice.

 

[BULLDOG]

What part(s) of the Old Testament are no longer in force? Are you speaking of dietary law? Those are for a select group of people. In the Catholic faith we hear that the New Testament is hidden in the Old Testament, and the Old Testament is revealed in the New Testament.

Are all OT rules repealed, or just the ones specifically mentioned in the NT? For example, God's people are required to wear tassels with blue thread on their clothes. Assuming Christians are God's people are you still required to wear blue tassels? Tassels aren't mentioned in the NT, so when was that particular rule change?