Where does the constitution give Congress power to set up national health care?

[thereisnospoon]

Supreme court ruled the ACA constitutional. The same supreme court that ruled that corporations are citizens. Why don't you repub/teabaglibertarians complain about that ruling?

So it's your official position that because the Supreme Court abuses it's power and/or gets a ruling wrong in some cases, it does so in all cases?

Barack Obama is the most bumbling incompetent buffoon in U.S. history and even he has gotten a couple of things right here and there...

No, just that the posts I read here from the republican/conservative side only criticize programs of democrats. I haven't heard a repub criticize a corporation being a citizen yet which to me is beyond ludicrous. Even if we forget the supreme court, ACA has been passed by the remaining two branches of government. Now your side wants to hold the country hostage because you don't want to play by the rules.

Rules? What rules?
Please explain 'the rules' as you see them.

 

[Dot Com]

Chief Justice Roberts says its constitutional so.....

 

[thereisnospoon]

upheld as a tax


any tax bill can originate in the senate the deal is the house has to agree on it are you really this stupid
it was the dumbest decision i've ever read...first the court says the gov cannot force people to buy insurance...then it oddly upholds the law under the powers of taxation...go figure

obama lied and the people got screwed

More importantly - taxes cannot originate in the Senate (they must originate in the House). And Obamacare originated in the Senate. Thus (and ironically), the Supreme Courts ruling that Obamacare is "constitutional" as a "tax" in fact renders it unconstitutional.

any tax bill can originate in the senate ... the deal is the house has to agree on it are you really this stupid

Here is where once again, you are WRONG....
Article I Section 7


All bills for raising revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with amendments as on other Bills.

Every bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a law, be presented to the President of the United States; if he approve he shall sign it, but if not he shall return it, with his objections to that House in which it shall have originated, who shall enter the objections at large on their journal, and proceed to reconsider it. If after such reconsideration two thirds of that House shall agree to pass the bill, it shall be sent, together with the objections, to the other House, by which it shall likewise be reconsidered, and if approved by two thirds of that House, it shall become a law. But in all such cases the votes of both Houses shall be determined by yeas and nays, and the names of the persons voting for and against the bill shall be entered on the journal of each House respectively. If any bill shall not be returned by the President within ten days (Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the same shall be a law, in like manner as if he had signed it, unless the Congress by their adjournment prevent its return, in which case it shall not be a law.

Every order, resolution, or vote to which the concurrence of the Senate and House of Representatives may be necessary (except on a question of adjournment) shall be presented to the President of the United States; and before the same shall take effect, shall be approved by him, or being disapproved by him, shall be repassed by two thirds of the Senate and House of Representatives, according to the rules and limitations prescribed in the case of a bill.

You should not until you decide to no longer be among the low information crowd.

 

[bucs90]

The Feds don't have the authority to set up the FBI or Border Patrol either, since neither is part of a "standing Army".

But RW'ers sure bitch about wanting those two agencies to catch Muslims and Mexicans.

 

[antique4xpu]

president obama won the election ....... republicons lost ..... that should be the end of it

 

[antique4xpu]

Where does the constitution have the power to send a man to the moon?

i notice all of these old white men still collect their unconstitutional social security checks

 

[thereisnospoon]

The Feds don't have the authority to set up the FBI or Border Patrol either, since neither is part of a "standing Army".

But RW'ers sure bitch about wanting those two agencies to catch Muslims and Mexicans.

Yes it does.
By extension, ANY federal law enforcement dept is illegal...
Is that your position?

 

[JohnL.Burke]

I'm just curious about how many young people are going to sign up this year for Obamacare when it's going to be cheaper for them to not sign up and just pay the penalty. This should be interesting.

 

[JohnL.Burke]

The people who used to be conservative southern Dems are now conservative southern republicans DUH.

I never tire of that old chestnut. No matter how often it is debunked.

 

[P@triot]

Where does the constitution have the power to send a man to the moon?

i notice all of these old white men still collect their unconstitutional social security checks

Yes - because are money was STOLEN from us. Why wouldn't we collect we much of it back as we can?!?

Lets us OPT OUT of Social Security and see how fast we never collect again. But you won't let us opt out, will you? Which is why they say:


Liberalism: ideas so good they have to be forced on other people!

 

[P@triot]

president obama won the election ....... republicons lost ..... that should be the end of it

Republicans won the House stupid. There's a reason the American people sent 233 conservatives to Washington vs. one rigged election by Obama and his Chicago-style politics and it wasn't because they wanted Obama's version of a marxist America with a dictator instead of a president...

 

[Walt]

Its not unconstitutional.

SCOTUS said so.

The End.

SCOTUS is a joke. It got passed because it WAS NOT a tax. Then those clowns on the bench ignored that fact and said it was. This whole political and judicial system is corrupt.

 

[Steven_R]

Its not unconstitutional.

SCOTUS said so.

The End.

SCOTUS is a joke. It got passed because it WAS NOT a tax. Then those clowns on the bench ignored that fact and said it was. This whole political and judicial system is corrupt.

There is that. We were told all along it wasn't a tax. When it was argued in front of the Supremes, they were told it wasn't a tax. John Roberts, fuck be upon him, somehow decides it really is a tax.

Obama and Friends are what they are, but John Roberts sold the whole country out because he was worried about the historical view of the court. Fuck John Roberts.

 

[thereisnospoon]

president obama won the election ....... republicons lost ..... that should be the end of it

So Obama is a "supreme authority"? He is not be questioned? His policies not opposed?
The legislative branch is supposed to rubber stamp his every whim?
If you require a dictator in the nation's capitol as opposed to a duly elected leader subject to Constitutional law and limits on the power of his/her office, then you need to move to a nation that has as it's political system, a dictatorship...
See ya... Let us know how that works out for ya.

 

[ShootSpeeders]

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Have you seen some of the legislation passed by Congress? Congress can pass any law that it wants.

However, the President must sign off on it

Then the Courts can step in if it is challenged for Constitutionality

THAT is the way our Constitutional system works, not by some 18th century interpretation by a bunch of internet posters

Hey stupid. Your points 1 & 2 are in the constitution but point 3 is not!! No where does the constitution say the Courts may repeal a law they think violates the constitution. Only congress can repeal a law since the very first words of the constitution after the preamble say all legislative power is vested in congress.

 

[ShootSpeeders]

good grief ...... there are hundreds of necessary programs that are not specified in the constitution.

the founding fathers were liberal and they understood new things would come up and need attention.

there is no mention of the federal aviation commission in the constitution ...... DUH!

a national food inspection service , interstate commerce , national health agency , environmental protection ........ all necessary in our society , none mentioned in the constitution ..... grow up and quit listening to fox news ........ they will lead you to greed and stupidity

Hey stupid. All hundreds of those programs should be handled by the states. Have someone read you the constitution.

 

[ShootSpeeders]

OP- I guess I'll go with the Supreme Court over ignorant loudmouth hater dupes. Anyway, it was at least the Civil War before going to a 'doctor' was even a good idea. When the constitution was written, you went to a BARBER and got bled fer crying out loud LOL

You want congress to create a national health care system then amend the constitution to allow it. That's what the amending process is for. Times change and the constitution should change with them. But until the amendment is passed, obozocare is clearly unconstitutional.

 

[ShootSpeeders]

Where does the constitution give the government the right to create national parks?

It doesn't. Only the states can do it. That's what the tenth amendment says and if you don't like it then amend the constitution.

think

 

[ShootSpeeders]

Chief Justice Roberts says its constitutional so.....

HAHAHA. One federal agency rubberstamps another federal agency program!!!

The states need to step in and say the obvious. Setting up national health care is not among the listed powers of congress and thus any attempt to do so is unconstitutional.

 

[Londoner]

The Constitution doesn't say anything about a lot of things like the internet or protecting Exxon's oil fields in Iraq or building a monopoly fence around Eli Lilly's drugs through Patent Law . . . but it does empower American Citizens to elect representatives to pass laws, one of which was ObamaCare. Turn off talk radio and get yourself to a university.