Where does wealth hatred come from?

[Ray From Cleveland]

Ray From Cleveland, post: 19059077,

The top 1% pay almost 46% of all collected income taxes in this country. If paying nearly half of all taxes is not enough, then what is?

Go back and check. The top 1% own nearly twice as much as the bottom 90%, So 46 percent seems quite fair.

"The richest 1% of families controlled a record-high 38.6% of the country's wealth in 2016, according to a Federal Reserve reportpublished on Wednesday.

That's nearly twice as much as the bottom 90%, which has seen its slice of the pie continue to shrink."

Record inequality: The top 1% controls 38.6% of America's wealth

That's your slice of the pie shrinking. If you think you don't deserve a fair share that's your problem. Perhaps you are lazy, not productive.

So where is the equity in taking more from people that have more? And if that's fair, then why not expand that to other areas?

For instance, you have ten beautiful bushes in front of your home. Would it not be fair for the government to come along and take six of your bushes, and give them to your neighbor on the next street who has none?

Or you may be an entertainment enthusiast. You have four big screens in your home. That's not fair. Your neighbor only has a single 30" television. Would it not be fair for government to take two of your big screens and give them to those who have no big screens?

"What is YOUR fair share of what somebody else worked for?"
Thomas Sowell

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Ray From Cleveland, post: 19059676

We are a country of 315 million people. 4 million of our people are paying nearly half of all collected income taxes. If that's not enough, what percentage should those 4 million pay for the rest of us? And yes, they are paying for the rest of us.

You are a fool. The top ten percent owns more income producing assets and wealth than the rest of us. They are paying for what they own. The rest of us are paying for what we own. Millions own nothing. Perhaps you own nothing and resent being in the class you are in. Being a syncophant for the rich gives you purpose in life. Who knows. Just trying to figure out why their wealth and assets do not matter to you as you apologize to the very wealthy.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Ray From Cleveland, post: 19059698

For instance, you have ten beautiful bushes in front of your home. Would it not be fair for the government to come along and take six of your bushes, and give them to your neighbor on the next street who has none?

My God is that a stupid argument or what.

Why do you worship the rich?

 

[initforme]

America has alot of people earning very low salaries like 50 thousand dollars and below. The nation is divided by class. Thus the disgruntlement and animosity toward each other.

 

[Coyote]

It's not a hatred of wealth.

It's the hatred the wealthy has for the middle class and the poor.

I think that hating the wealthy correlates directly with hating the poor. And I certainly see plenty of that.

If you are poor - it's a character flaw and a moral failing regardless of circumstances, personal integrity or hard work.

If you are rich - it's a sign you are favored by your deity, and work hard and have integrity...even if you are a shyster or a person of bad moral character.

 

[initforme]

Character means little...bank account is top priority.

 

[Coyote]

Character means little...bank account is top priority.

Who needs character when you have a bank account

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

It's not a hatred of wealth.

It's the hatred the wealthy has for the middle class and the poor.

I think that hating the wealthy correlates directly with hating the poor. And I certainly see plenty of that.

If you are poor - it's a character flaw and a moral failing regardless of circumstances, personal integrity or hard work.

If you are rich - it's a sign you are favored by your deity, and work hard and have integrity...even if you are a shyster or a person of bad moral character.

Being poor (in the United States) has more to do with irresponsibility than anything else. If you don't graduate high school, have no inclination to work, get women pregnant or being a girl who gets pregnant herself, you just sealed your financial failure for the rest of your life.

It's not very hard to avoid such failure, but if you are irresponsible, you just don't give a damn because our federal government will support you.

 

[Coyote]

It's not a hatred of wealth.

It's the hatred the wealthy has for the middle class and the poor.

I think that hating the wealthy correlates directly with hating the poor. And I certainly see plenty of that.

If you are poor - it's a character flaw and a moral failing regardless of circumstances, personal integrity or hard work.

If you are rich - it's a sign you are favored by your deity, and work hard and have integrity...even if you are a shyster or a person of bad moral character.

Being poor (in the United States) has more to do with irresponsibility than anything else. If you don't graduate high school, have no inclination to work, get women pregnant or being a girl who gets pregnant herself, you just sealed your financial failure for the rest of your life.

It's not very hard to avoid such failure, but if you are irresponsible, you just don't give a damn because our federal government will support you.

See, I don't agree with that Ray.

It has much to do with your origins - if you are born poor in the US you are more likely to remain poor. Upward mobility has stalled. It isn't "no inclination to work' but rather - you can bust your back working and still end up poor. This is exactly the kind of stereotyping that is symptomatic of hating the poor.,

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Ray From Cleveland, post: 19059918

Being poor (in the United States) has more to do with irresponsibility than anything else

You are very good at hating the poor. Being born into poverty has nothing to do with irresponsibility. No child is responsible for whatever environment they are born into.

 

[Circe]

I think it goes much deeper. I think it goes to how people were raised as children.

I suspect that if you were raised in an entitlement household, you likely grew up with the entitlement mentality. A person may look at a wealthy person not as a success, but as a person who had the availability to more entitlements than he or she had.

As a child of the 60's and 70's, most parents raised their kids to work for what you want in life. But as always, there were exceptions to the rule. I had a few friends who got money from their parents by simply asking or demanding it. They grew up that way, and the ones I stayed in touch with always had problems keeping jobs or making ends meet after they became an adult. One (I recently learned about) lost a great job because he got caught stealing.

It would be fun to run a thread poll: how many identify with poor people versus how many identify with rich people. Given the 14-1 results on a current poll favoring deporting illegal aliens, I suspect people on this list predominantly identify with the rich, but a lot of the conservatives lurk, because the leftists do a lot of the posting, but they haven't got the numbers.

 

[Circe]

Of course it happens, but I don't know by the millions. You have to get caught for it to count:

Non-citizens caught voting in 2012 presidential election in key swing state

Illegal Aliens, Non-Citizens Caught Voting In Florida In Large Numbers

I am sure in favor of voter IDs that are vetted for legality. Presumably California would fight that, but I want this stuff cleaned up --- illegals, many criminal and gang members, flooding in over the borders and then trying to take over the country by fraud and violence, as with the California anti-Trump rally rioting. What a catastrophe this has become. It's all the fault of leftists supporting these incoming floods of poor people so they can win votes for Dem pols.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Ray From Cleveland, post: 19051902

Now riddle me this: are those shithole countries or are they not???

Nope. I know of no country in the community of nations that consists entirely of being a hole. Let alone a hole where shit is stored or shit is produced as a byproduct of digestion.

If you have geographic evidence that Haiti is a hole covered in shit please post it right away.

Trumpo's use of that vulgar adjective to stereotype and disparage several nations would simply be just another common Trumpo lie since there is no truth to it. But Trumpo made it a racist slur when he longed for immigrant's from majority white Norway in the same breath.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Ray From Cleveland, post: 19051427

Do you really believe that taxing the wealthy doesn't have negative affects on the little guy;

What I believe is of no consequence. There is no data that supports your hallucination, errr premise that taxing the wealthy has negative affects on the little guy.

The economic record has shown the negative affect of wage stagnation despite increased productivity over the past four decades of tax cutting for the wealthy. And to boot, Bill Clinton increased taxes resulting in job creation like never seen. Then Bush cut taxes highly weighted to the wealthy and the little guys ended up in an economy losing a million jobs a month.

 

[Clementine]

Well.......the quickest answer is that it comes from the Democrat party and politicians. Hate people because they own businesses, hate people because they don't pay their workers enough, hate people because they get tax breaks, hate people because they have stuff the rest doesn't. It's brainwashing as usual.

But in my opinion, it must have deeper roots than politics.

Hate is usually a defense mechanism. Hate comes from fear or threat. You may hate your supervisor because he or she threatens your future with the company. Hate may come in forms of race where you feel a threat or fear for the safety of your family or investment of your home. Hate may be of gender where a person was abused by their spouse or even a stranger. It comes from somewhere. You don't wake up one morning and say "I really hate that Donald Trump. I didn't mind him yesterday, but today I wish he'd fall off a cliff."

I guess this question is really for the libs since they lead the charge in wealth hatred. If you agree with my assessment that hate derives from fear or threat, what has the wealthy done to you in the past that makes you feel this way? Or is it you were told by the Democrat party to hate wealthy people?

Well.......not all wealthy people of course. Liberals tend to give waivers to sports figures, entertainment figures, lottery winners, people that do things they enjoy instead of working for wealth. But if you went to college, worked your way up the ladder, made investments, and became wealthy through work, you are the worst creature on earth, and the Democrat party simply fuels that flame.

It's not even that they really hate business owners. They love wealth creators otherwise they wouldn't have anyone to steal from. They encourage class warfare because they gain support for their wealth redistribution. They want socialism and they intend to make it happen by continuing to dumb people down, make them feel entitled and, of course, lay the blame on the wealth creators.

Most Dems are wealthy. It seems that their motto is "My money belongs to me and your money is community property." You'll never see Dems pointing fingers at their fellow socialists and telling them they earned enough or that they don't need mansions. They'll never tell Al Gore that he should reduce his gigantic carbon footprint. Nope. They love money.

Most Dems are lawyers and think like lawyers. They don't create wealth. They make a living by going after deep pockets to benefit themselves and their clients. No different than what Dem politicians are doing. They have created millions of "clients" by convincing them that they have a legitimate grievance, namely that wealthy people are at fault for their poverty. They get votes on the promise that they'll return the wealth to the rightful owners or some such bullshit. Of course, they always end up confiscating more from average workers and middle class. But the low info idiots eat it up. Too many people have been conditioned to stand there with their hands out waiting for some politician to give them things.

In order to keep their constituents feeling like victims, they have to keep demonizing the greedy wealthy people. It gives government more and more power and the useful idiots are unable to see the big picture.

 

[sealybobo]

Dale Smith, post: 19052461 God, you are a sucker for fake reality. Most Americans voted for Clinton. Just a pure indisputable fact.

Not much "blue" on that map..............


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Could already be blue again you just don’t know. Look at Alabama

We will see......leftards can only be in so many places at one time.

Where does wealth envy come from? You suckers just gave the rich huge tax breaks which ultimately will eat up the peanuts they’re giving you.

My bro makes over $500k a year. He didn’t need a tax break suckers

So, you think that by giving the IRS (the collection arm of the IMF that owns USAS.INC) is going to turn around and toss you some crumbs? The income tax is the biggest scam ever laid on the American people that barter their labor for something of value but yet leftards believe that their beloved "gubermint" is entitled to a cut? How fucking brainwashed are you?

Actually I agree there should be no income tax

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Well.......the quickest answer is that it comes from the Democrat party and politicians. Hate people because they own businesses, hate people because they don't pay their workers enough, hate people because they get tax breaks, hate people because they have stuff the rest doesn't. It's brainwashing as usual.

But in my opinion, it must have deeper roots than politics.

Hate is usually a defense mechanism. Hate comes from fear or threat. You may hate your supervisor because he or she threatens your future with the company. Hate may come in forms of race where you feel a threat or fear for the safety of your family or investment of your home. Hate may be of gender where a person was abused by their spouse or even a stranger. It comes from somewhere. You don't wake up one morning and say "I really hate that Donald Trump. I didn't mind him yesterday, but today I wish he'd fall off a cliff."

I guess this question is really for the libs since they lead the charge in wealth hatred. If you agree with my assessment that hate derives from fear or threat, what has the wealthy done to you in the past that makes you feel this way? Or is it you were told by the Democrat party to hate wealthy people?

Well.......not all wealthy people of course. Liberals tend to give waivers to sports figures, entertainment figures, lottery winners, people that do things they enjoy instead of working for wealth. But if you went to college, worked your way up the ladder, made investments, and became wealthy through work, you are the worst creature on earth, and the Democrat party simply fuels that flame.

It's not even that they really hate business owners. They love wealth creators otherwise they wouldn't have anyone to steal from. They encourage class warfare because they gain support for their wealth redistribution. They want socialism and they intend to make it happen by continuing to dumb people down, make them feel entitled and, of course, lay the blame on the wealth creators.

Most Dems are wealthy. It seems that their motto is "My money belongs to me and your money is community property." You'll never see Dems pointing fingers at their fellow socialists and telling them they earned enough or that they don't need mansions. They'll never tell Al Gore that he should reduce his gigantic carbon footprint. Nope. They love money.

Most Dems are lawyers and think like lawyers. They don't create wealth. They make a living by going after deep pockets to benefit themselves and their clients. No different than what Dem politicians are doing. They have created millions of "clients" by convincing them that they have a legitimate grievance, namely that wealthy people are at fault for their poverty. They get votes on the promise that they'll return the wealth to the rightful owners or some such bullshit. Of course, they always end up confiscating more from average workers and middle class. But the low info idiots eat it up. Too many people have been conditioned to stand there with their hands out waiting for some politician to give them things.

In order to keep their constituents feeling like victims, they have to keep demonizing the greedy wealthy people. It gives government more and more power and the useful idiots are unable to see the big picture.

I disagree with some of what you wrote. I don't think most libs are wealthy, I think they tell people they are wealthy, especially here on USMB.

 

[initforme]

What constitutes wealthy? What constitutes poor? I say anything under 50 grand constitutes lower class anthat is alot of people.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Ray From Cleveland, post: 19051427

Do you really believe that taxing the wealthy doesn't have negative affects on the little guy;

What I believe is of no consequence. There is no data that supports your hallucination, errr premise that taxing the wealthy has negative affects on the little guy.

The economic record has shown the negative affect of wage stagnation despite increased productivity over the past four decades of tax cutting for the wealthy. And to boot, Bill Clinton increased taxes resulting in job creation like never seen. Then Bush cut taxes highly weighted to the wealthy and the little guys ended up in an economy losing a million jobs a month.

Your reply is so full of misinformation.

The tax cuts had nothing to do with the recession, it had to do with the housing collapse. The increasing prices of fuel played a part as well.

Yes, Clinton increased taxes, but he also took some good advice from Gingrich and lowered taxes as well. Remember what happened in the stock market after capital gains were lowered?

Not one of you leftists have ever been able to explain to me how taking money from people helps the economy. If your county doubled your property taxes, does that make you want to go out and buy products you don't necessarily want or need? When they take more money from you, does that make you want to invest more? It simply makes no sense.

Yes, taxing the rich guy hurts the little guy. Where do you think the rich guy gets that money from to pay those taxes? That's right, increased prices in services and products, layoffs, a reduction in hours or increase employee contributions to healthcare plans, and you are concerned about wage stagnation??

It's just like all this environmental BS. In the last ten years or so, the cost of transportation has sky rocketed thanks to all the environmental crap manufacturers are forced to install in trucks today. It not only greatly increased the purchase price of trucks, but they constantly have problems. My tractor for instance is the newest truck in our fleet. Not even 10,000 miles yet and it broke down twice already. This is very common now a days thanks to environmental regulations.

Do you think my employer just has to dig much deeper in his pockets to cover these costs? Of course not. He passes those costs to our customers who manufacture products you and I buy in the store every day.

So much like passed down environmental costs, tax increases are recouped the exact same way, it's just that you don't know about it when you buy something.

 

[initforme]

So Ray your idea is to be like China so the air is bad correct? All to save a buck? China's workerscan't match our workers productivity or willingness to work hard for low wages and our air is clean while theirs is polluted. I'll take clean air.