Which was the bigger LIE? WMDs or 46 million "uninsured"???

[healthmyths]

WMD's. Clearly.

Where are your FACTS??

1) I can tell you 10 million of Obama's 46 million PER THE below link are NOT AMERICANS!
Source: Income, Poverty and Health Insurance Coverage in the United States: 2009 - Income & Wealth - Newsroom - U.S. Census Bureau

A study of the Census' also shows:
2) GIVEN: 14 million are eligible for Medicaid..but they are counted as "uninsured"….
but Obama totally ignored this FACT and subtracting 14 million from 36 million that leaves 22 million…
Source: http://coverageforall.org/pdf/BC-BS_Uninsured-America.pdf

3) Source:The American Spectator : The Myth of the 46 Million
"in 2007, 17.6 million of the uninsured had annual incomes of more than $50,000 and 9.1 million earned more than $75,000. "

So given THOSE FACTS where are YOURS???

 

[velvtacheeze]

What is it with providing health care at taxpayer cost that riles up Conservatives so much? Why do they hate their fellow Americans so much that they'd rather see them suffer and die than receive any health care paid for by the taxpayer? Why do Conservatives demand we watch every penny on social programs, but so eagerly and wastefully spend on failed wars like their Iraq Debacle?

 

[Sunshine]

All of you Obamatrons so constantly blathering "Bush LIED people died" because they haven't found the WMDs yet that are in Syria by the way... YET YOU've bought hook line and sinker the BIGGEST most disastrous lie that Obama has told: "there are 46 million uninsured Americans"!

FACTS are there are less the 4 million Americans that truly want and need insurance! 4 Million NOT 46 million!

YET this bald grotesque LIE passed Obamacare by only 6 votes..
AND NOW we have even Harry Reid calling Obamacare a "train wreck"!
All because everyone including conservatives still think there were 46 million that wanted and needed insurance!

1) Census says 10 million of uninsured are not citizens!
2) A studyBlue Cross and Blue Shield Association contracted with the Actuarial Research Corporation (ARC) to provide a detailed analysis of the uninsured identified by the Census Bureau, which found:
- Of the 44.7 million non-elderly uninsured individuals identified in the 2004 Census Current Population Survey (CPS) data,
nearly one-third — almost 14 million — were reachable through existing government
health programs such as Medicaid and the State Children’s Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) under current rules.
by Source: http://coverageforall.org/pdf/BC-BS_Uninsured-America.pdf

24 million from 46 million leaves 22 million!
NOW the biggest stupidest LIE!!
Counted among those remaining 22 million are 18 million people that DON'T WANT health insurance!
DO YOU UNDERSTAND the implications of this???
These 18 million make over $50,000 a year. Don't want their employers insurance because they spend less then $1,000 a year out of their own pocket for health care!
THAT leaves 4 million! NOT 46 million! The biggest LIE ever told by a President... FAR BIGGER and more costly then WMDs!!!

If those who decline their employers' insurance were to have a major illness, like cancer, their $50K income would not cover it. The taxpayers would have to pick that up once they became disabled and had spent all their assets. Those people are fools.

 

[healthmyths]

All of you Obamatrons so constantly blathering "Bush LIED people died" because they haven't found the WMDs yet that are in Syria by the way... YET YOU've bought hook line and sinker the BIGGEST most disastrous lie that Obama has told: "there are 46 million uninsured Americans"!

FACTS are there are less the 4 million Americans that truly want and need insurance! 4 Million NOT 46 million!

YET this bald grotesque LIE passed Obamacare by only 6 votes..
AND NOW we have even Harry Reid calling Obamacare a "train wreck"!
All because everyone including conservatives still think there were 46 million that wanted and needed insurance!

1) Census says 10 million of uninsured are not citizens!
2) A studyBlue Cross and Blue Shield Association contracted with the Actuarial Research Corporation (ARC) to provide a detailed analysis of the uninsured identified by the Census Bureau, which found:
- Of the 44.7 million non-elderly uninsured individuals identified in the 2004 Census Current Population Survey (CPS) data,
nearly one-third — almost 14 million — were reachable through existing government
health programs such as Medicaid and the State Children’s Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) under current rules.
by Source: http://coverageforall.org/pdf/BC-BS_Uninsured-America.pdf

24 million from 46 million leaves 22 million!
NOW the biggest stupidest LIE!!
Counted among those remaining 22 million are 18 million people that DON'T WANT health insurance!
DO YOU UNDERSTAND the implications of this???
These 18 million make over $50,000 a year. Don't want their employers insurance because they spend less then $1,000 a year out of their own pocket for health care!
THAT leaves 4 million! NOT 46 million! The biggest LIE ever told by a President... FAR BIGGER and more costly then WMDs!!!

If those who decline their employers' insurance were to have a major illness, like cancer, their $50K income would not cover it. The taxpayers would have to pick that up once they became disabled and had spent all their assets. Those people are fools.

But it is THEIR CHOICE NOT yours! Not the government! They make those decisions!

You count it as compassionate to help those fools out??

Why not EDUCATE those fools then??
Wouldn't it be cheaper to do the following:
A) Experts state $850 billion a year is WASTED by duplicate tests, etc. all out of fear of lawsuits
B) Therefore TAX lawyers 10% of their $200 billion.
C) Pay the premium for the truly 4 million uninsured that want insurance!
D)Audit hospitals so they don't send 6,000% markedup claims to Medicare/insurance companies as they would be reimbursed for the uninsured!
E) Watch the nearly $1 trillion in wasted duplicate tests, Medicare overpayments decline by $100 billion a year!
F) As a result premiums decline! After all most state regulators require a % of claims against premiums and if not enough paid out.. premiums drop! FACT of life!

Problem solved!
I've yet had anyone truly refute these facts;
A) there are less the 4 million that truly need insurance!
B) Waste fraud, duplicate tests amount to over $1 trillion a year in health costs caused by padding and passing on and fear of lawsuits!
C) When costs go down claims go down. When claims go down, premiums go down. More people can afford insurance!

Prove me wrong!!!
Prove that 10 million counted as uninsured are NOT illegals! Prove that 14 million counted as uninsured are NOT covered by Medicaid! Prove 18 million really want insurance!
Prove that there isn't really $850 billion a year as physicians attest in duplicate tests! Prove that hospitals don't markup sometimes 6,000% claims to Medicare.
Prove ME WRONG because I have the facts on my side!

 

[francoHFW]

WMD's of course. A catastrophe for the country and the world. Got jihadists? LOL Arrrrrgggghhhh!

Illegals count!! So do freeloaders. No lie AT ALL! Sorry about your free toothpaste, but Medicare Advantage is a stupid giveaway to the well off. From Booosh of course- same as his Pharma Program.

 

[velvtacheeze]

All of you Obamatrons so constantly blathering "Bush LIED people died" because they haven't found the WMDs yet that are in Syria by the way... YET YOU've bought hook line and sinker the BIGGEST most disastrous lie that Obama has told: "there are 46 million uninsured Americans"!

FACTS are there are less the 4 million Americans that truly want and need insurance! 4 Million NOT 46 million!

YET this bald grotesque LIE passed Obamacare by only 6 votes..
AND NOW we have even Harry Reid calling Obamacare a "train wreck"!
All because everyone including conservatives still think there were 46 million that wanted and needed insurance!

1) Census says 10 million of uninsured are not citizens!
2) A studyBlue Cross and Blue Shield Association contracted with the Actuarial Research Corporation (ARC) to provide a detailed analysis of the uninsured identified by the Census Bureau, which found:
- Of the 44.7 million non-elderly uninsured individuals identified in the 2004 Census Current Population Survey (CPS) data,
nearly one-third — almost 14 million — were reachable through existing government
health programs such as Medicaid and the State Children’s Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) under current rules.
by Source: http://coverageforall.org/pdf/BC-BS_Uninsured-America.pdf

24 million from 46 million leaves 22 million!
NOW the biggest stupidest LIE!!
Counted among those remaining 22 million are 18 million people that DON'T WANT health insurance!
DO YOU UNDERSTAND the implications of this???
These 18 million make over $50,000 a year. Don't want their employers insurance because they spend less then $1,000 a year out of their own pocket for health care!
THAT leaves 4 million! NOT 46 million! The biggest LIE ever told by a President... FAR BIGGER and more costly then WMDs!!!

If those who decline their employers' insurance were to have a major illness, like cancer, their $50K income would not cover it. The taxpayers would have to pick that up once they became disabled and had spent all their assets. Those people are fools.

But it is THEIR CHOICE NOT yours! Not the government! They make those decisions!

You count it as compassionate to help those fools out??

Why not EDUCATE those fools then??
Wouldn't it be cheaper to do the following:
A) Experts state $850 billion a year is WASTED by duplicate tests, etc. all out of fear of lawsuits
B) Therefore TAX lawyers 10% of their $200 billion.
C) Pay the premium for the truly 4 million uninsured that want insurance!
D)Audit hospitals so they don't send 6,000% markedup claims to Medicare/insurance companies as they would be reimbursed for the uninsured!
E) Watch the nearly $1 trillion in wasted duplicate tests, Medicare overpayments decline by $100 billion a year!
F) As a result premiums decline! After all most state regulators require a % of claims against premiums and if not enough paid out.. premiums drop! FACT of life!

Problem solved!
I've yet had anyone truly refute these facts;
A) there are less the 4 million that truly need insurance!
B) Waste fraud, duplicate tests amount to over $1 trillion a year in health costs caused by padding and passing on and fear of lawsuits!
C) When costs go down claims go down. When claims go down, premiums go down. More people can afford insurance!

Prove me wrong!!!
Prove that 10 million counted as uninsured are NOT illegals! Prove that 14 million counted as uninsured are NOT covered by Medicaid! Prove 18 million really want insurance!
Prove that there isn't really $850 billion a year as physicians attest in duplicate tests! Prove that hospitals don't markup sometimes 6,000% claims to Medicare.
Prove ME WRONG because I have the facts on my side!

Their "choice" will eventually cost the taxpayer because everyone will eventually require medical care, and most people who choose not to be insured can't afford to pay for medical care once they need it. So therefore it's a "choice" that is no longer allowed to be made. These sponging parasites have gotten a free ride for too long, and have been brought to heel by Obamacare. Get over it.

 

[healthmyths]

If those who decline their employers' insurance were to have a major illness, like cancer, their $50K income would not cover it. The taxpayers would have to pick that up once they became disabled and had spent all their assets. Those people are fools.

But it is THEIR CHOICE NOT yours! Not the government! They make those decisions!

You count it as compassionate to help those fools out??

Why not EDUCATE those fools then??
Wouldn't it be cheaper to do the following:
A) Experts state $850 billion a year is WASTED by duplicate tests, etc. all out of fear of lawsuits
B) Therefore TAX lawyers 10% of their $200 billion.
C) Pay the premium for the truly 4 million uninsured that want insurance!
D)Audit hospitals so they don't send 6,000% markedup claims to Medicare/insurance companies as they would be reimbursed for the uninsured!
E) Watch the nearly $1 trillion in wasted duplicate tests, Medicare overpayments decline by $100 billion a year!
F) As a result premiums decline! After all most state regulators require a % of claims against premiums and if not enough paid out.. premiums drop! FACT of life!

Problem solved!
I've yet had anyone truly refute these facts;
A) there are less the 4 million that truly need insurance!
B) Waste fraud, duplicate tests amount to over $1 trillion a year in health costs caused by padding and passing on and fear of lawsuits!
C) When costs go down claims go down. When claims go down, premiums go down. More people can afford insurance!

Prove me wrong!!!
Prove that 10 million counted as uninsured are NOT illegals! Prove that 14 million counted as uninsured are NOT covered by Medicaid! Prove 18 million really want insurance!
Prove that there isn't really $850 billion a year as physicians attest in duplicate tests! Prove that hospitals don't markup sometimes 6,000% claims to Medicare.
Prove ME WRONG because I have the facts on my side!

Their "choice" will eventually cost the taxpayer because everyone will eventually require medical care, and most people who choose not to be insured can't afford to pay for medical care once they need it. So therefore it's a "choice" that is no longer allowed to be made. These sponging parasites have gotten a free ride for too long, and have been brought to heel by Obamacare. Get over it.

"Sponging parasites"?? you talking about lawyers that COST our economy $850 billion in duplicate tests, referrals.. all because physicians fearful of lawsuits?
Those are the parasites!
Why are you defending these guys?
Lower defensive medicine lowers health insurance premiums. It's direct correlation because who pays the claims? Medicare/insurance companies!
If there are fewer claims submitted because physicians don't do "defensive medicine" then costs go down.
THAT simple!
You never mentioned that enormous fact!
HERE READ What the people that generate the claims say:
$850 billion a year! Simply because physicians don't want to be sued!

After all the experts i.e. doctors all contend they spend 34% of the national $2.5 trillion in duplicate tests,specialists.
ALL out of fear of lawsuits! That's $850 billion .. a YEAR!
Findings from this survey include the following:

• Physicians estimate the cost of defensive medicine in US at $650 to $850 billion per year. This is 26 to 34% of all US healthcare costs.
• Up to 92% of US physicians practice defensive medicine.
• 76% of physicians report that defensive medicine decreases patient access to healthcare.
• 53% of physicians report delaying new techniques, procedures, and treatments due to fear of lawsuits.
• Patients most affected by defensive medicine include those visiting emergency rooms and those requiring surgery.
• Women are most affected by defensive medicine.
• Emergency medicine, primary care, and OB/GYN physicians are most likely to practice defensive medicine.
• 79 to 83% of surgeons and OB/GYNs have been named in lawsuits.

Source:Health News Observer ? Physicians Estimate The Cost Of Defensive Medicine In Us At 650 To 850 Bill Articles

Doesn't that indicate the enormity of defensive medicine practices cost $850 billion a year NEEDLESSLY. All because of the parasite LAWYERS!

Honestly please refute or agree but don't ignore which is what you have done!

 

[candycorn]

Healthmyths has started this same thread about 2 dozen times now,

and it's based on HIS lie.

The truth is as follows:

Link is below:

Last night, President Obama stated: "We are the only democracy—the only advanced democracy on Earth—the only wealthy nation—that allows such hardship for millions of its people. There are now more than 30 million American citizens who cannot get coverage."

So for starters the OP is lying because the President's number, which was based on census numbers,

was 30+ million, not 46 million.

Once the OP concedes that he has been lying about this for YEARS now, then maybe we could move to deciding what the most reasonable accurate number was.

Counting the Uninsured: 46 Million or ?More than 30 Million?? | The White House

And possibly the tens of thousands of deaths in Iraq v. the lives saved through the ACA providing resources.

 

[Redfish]

WMDs in Iraq was not a lie, it was repeating bad intel that everyone accepted as valid--Bush did not do it on his own, the Clintons and most democrats also stated that Saddam had WMDs. congress authorized and funded the Iraq fiasco. It was a huge costly mistake, but they are all culpable, both parties.

Obama's lies are a different story. He lied about the number of uninsured, he lied about people being refused healthcare, he lied about costs going down, he lied about being to keep your current insurance, he lied about what was in the obamacare bill.

Now the truth is coming out and even the unions are wanting out of obozocare, congress wants to exempt itself, it is a total disaster and should be repealed.

 

[Redfish]

#33-There are parts of O-care that address all those, as many as possible and keep it passable. If you want more, call your BS mindless obstructionist GOP representatives lol...

Stop spamming and read something fair.

obstructing a terrible piece of legislation is the right thing to do. You are the one who needs to learn what this piece of crap bill really does.

 

[velvtacheeze]

WMDs in Iraq was not a lie, it was repeating bad intel that everyone accepted as valid--Bush did not do it on his own, the Clintons and most democrats also stated that Saddam had WMDs. congress authorized and funded the Iraq fiasco. It was a huge costly mistake, but they are all culpable, both parties.

Obama's lies are a different story. He lied about the number of uninsured, he lied about people being refused healthcare, he lied about costs going down, he lied about being to keep your current insurance, he lied about what was in the obamacare bill.

Now the truth is coming out and even the unions are wanting out of obozocare, congress wants to exempt itself, it is a total disaster and should be repealed.

Bzzzt. Wrong. The Dems who voted for the war realized their mistake by 2004, and rightly started to criticize the war. By 2004, it was the GOP's mistake and Democrats were totally off the hook for their wrong votes. The GOP was justifiably punished for their Iraq War Debacle in two Presidential elections in a row. Conservatives only have themselves to blame for Obama's Presidency. The sooner you understand this, the better off you'll be.

 

[Redfish]

WMDs in Iraq was not a lie, it was repeating bad intel that everyone accepted as valid--Bush did not do it on his own, the Clintons and most democrats also stated that Saddam had WMDs. congress authorized and funded the Iraq fiasco. It was a huge costly mistake, but they are all culpable, both parties.

Obama's lies are a different story. He lied about the number of uninsured, he lied about people being refused healthcare, he lied about costs going down, he lied about being to keep your current insurance, he lied about what was in the obamacare bill.

Now the truth is coming out and even the unions are wanting out of obozocare, congress wants to exempt itself, it is a total disaster and should be repealed.

Bzzzt. Wrong. The Dems who voted for the war realized their mistake by 2004, and rightly started to criticize the war. By 2004, it was the GOP's mistake and Democrats were totally off the hook for their wrong votes. The GOP was justifiably punished for their Iraq War Debacle in two Presidential elections in a row. Conservatives only have themselves to blame for Obama's Presidency. The sooner you understand this, the better off you'll be.

bullshit, the dems in congress could have defunded Iraq at any time---did they? no.

BTW, GOP does not equal conservative. This is not about party, its about philosophy of government. The last two elections had liberals on both tickets. Obama won because he is black and the media worshiped him.

the sooner you understand what really happened the better off you will be.

 

[healthmyths]

Total Bs, dupe lol

Additional DEMOCRAT WMDs exist liars!!!

32 democrat quotes indicate even before GWB that Saddam was a threat!

"..deny Iraq the capacity to develop WMD".Bill Clinton,1998
"..most brutal dictators of Century", Biden,1998
"Iraq compliance with Resolution 687 becomes shell game"..Daschle 1998
"He will use those WMDs again,as he has ten times since 1983" ..Berger Clinton Ntl. Secur. Advr 1998
"posed by Iraq's refusal to end its WMD programs" Levin 1998
"Saddam has been engaged in development of WMDs which is a threat.."Pelosi 1998 WHERE'D SHE GET THIS INFORMATION BEFORE BUSH?
"Hussein has chosen to spend his money on building WMDS.."Albright 1999
"Saddam to refine delivery systems, that will threaten the US..."Graham 2001
"Saddam has ignored the mandate of the UN and is building WMDs and the means to deliver.." Levin 2002
"Iraq's search for WMDs ...will continue as long as Saddam's in power"..Gore 2002
"Saddam retains stockpiles of WMDS.."Byrd 2002
"..give President authority to use force..to disarm Saddam because an arsenal of WMDs..threat our security"..Kerry 2002
"..Unmistakable evidence Saddam developing nuclear weapons next 5 years.."Rockefeller 2002
"Violated over 11 years every UN resolution demanding disarming WMDs.."Waxman 2002
"He's given aid,comfort & sanctuary to al Qaeda members..and keep developing WMDs"..Hillary 2002
"Compelling evidence Saddam has WMDs production storage capacity.." Graham 2002
"Without a question, we need to disarm Saddam. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime .... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction .... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real ...."Kerry , Jan. 23. 2003.



"Between 1999 and 2001, the U.S. and British-led air forces in Iraq dropped 1.3 million pounds of bombs in response to purported violations of the no-fly zones and anti-aircraft fire from Saddam Hussein.

A sweeping attack, conducted in January of 1999, rained down 25 missiles on Iraqi soil, killing civilians. Clinton said the attack was in response to four planes violating the no-fly zones.

Clinton and British Prime Minister Tony Blair authorized air strikes on more than 100 days in 1999, sometimes several times per day. The bombings were ostensibly in response to Husseins refusal to allow UN weapons inspectors into the country, though critics alleged the move was aimed at deflecting attention from impeachment.
The Raw Story | Clinton bombing of Iraq far exceeded Bush's in run-up to war; Bush 'spikes of activity' questioned

AND..
"When Clinton was here recently he told me he was absolutely convinced, given his years in the White House and the access to privileged information which he had, that Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction until the end of the Saddam regime," he said in an interview with Portuguese cable news channel SIC Noticias.
Clinton believes Iraq had weapons of mass destruction: Portugal PM

 

[francoHFW]

#33-There are parts of O-care that address all those, as many as possible and keep it passable. If you want more, call your BS mindless obstructionist GOP representatives lol...

Stop spamming and read something fair.

obstructing a terrible piece of legislation is the right thing to do. You are the one who needs to learn what this piece of crap bill really does.

The GOP opposes all legislation beside pure GOP propaganda. It's a GOP bill- even so it will be the most popular aand important social program EVER. Our GOP health system is a catastrophe, for the economy for starters.

I know, you're a clueless PPM drone. lol

 

[The Rabbi]

All of you Obamatrons so constantly blathering "Bush LIED people died" because they haven't found the WMDs yet that are in Syria by the way... YET YOU've bought hook line and sinker the BIGGEST most disastrous lie that Obama has told: "there are 46 million uninsured Americans"!

FACTS are there are less the 4 million Americans that truly want and need insurance! 4 Million NOT 46 million!

YET this bald grotesque LIE passed Obamacare by only 6 votes..
AND NOW we have even Harry Reid calling Obamacare a "train wreck"!
All because everyone including conservatives still think there were 46 million that wanted and needed insurance!

1) Census says 10 million of uninsured are not citizens!
2) A studyBlue Cross and Blue Shield Association contracted with the Actuarial Research Corporation (ARC) to provide a detailed analysis of the uninsured identified by the Census Bureau, which found:
- Of the 44.7 million non-elderly uninsured individuals identified in the 2004 Census Current Population Survey (CPS) data,
nearly one-third — almost 14 million — were reachable through existing government
health programs such as Medicaid and the State Children’s Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) under current rules.
by Source: http://coverageforall.org/pdf/BC-BS_Uninsured-America.pdf

24 million from 46 million leaves 22 million!
NOW the biggest stupidest LIE!!
Counted among those remaining 22 million are 18 million people that DON'T WANT health insurance!
DO YOU UNDERSTAND the implications of this???
These 18 million make over $50,000 a year. Don't want their employers insurance because they spend less then $1,000 a year out of their own pocket for health care!
THAT leaves 4 million! NOT 46 million! The biggest LIE ever told by a President... FAR BIGGER and more costly then WMDs!!!

WMD in Iraq was the biggest lie. It led to the deaths of thousands of innocent people, both US and Iraqi, and cost us trillions in dollars. It was a waste, and its failure is why Obama easily won twice. The GOP isn't worthy of the White House at this time because of their mistakes and lies of their Iraq Debacle.

Obamacare will easily cost 10 times that in both lives and money. And unlike the war, there's no end in sight to Obamacare.

 

[healthmyths]

#33-There are parts of O-care that address all those, as many as possible and keep it passable. If you want more, call your BS mindless obstructionist GOP representatives lol...

Stop spamming and read something fair.

obstructing a terrible piece of legislation is the right thing to do. You are the one who needs to learn what this piece of crap bill really does.

The GOP opposes all legislation beside pure GOP propaganda. It's a GOP bill- even so it will be the most popular aand important social program EVER. Our GOP health system is a catastrophe, for the economy for starters.

I know, you're a clueless PPM drone. lol

Are you a shill for lawyers? Are you being paid NOT to answer why after Obama/Congress received $300 million in campaign donations there was NO tort reform?
Why are you totally ignoring the $850 billion a year that thousands of physicians ALL agree is spent on "defensive medicine" because of fear of lawsuits?
Do you have access to a database of 6,000 hospitals as I do that shows that hospitals markup sometimes by 6,000% claims sent to medicare?
YOU never deal in facts...just name calling, hyperbole, hysteria... NOT one fact!
Now again... why is it fair to force 18 million people to buy a service if they don't want it?
Why is it fair for obamacare to tax tanning salons 10% BUT NOT the lawyers that cause the $850 billion in wasted,duplicate claims?

Where is your fairness in that...Oh right you are a paid mouthpiece by the $200 billion a year lawyers!!!

Why is it so difficult to deal with FACTS?

 

[francoHFW]

Total Bs, dupe lol

Additional DEMOCRAT WMDs exist liars!!!

32 democrat quotes indicate even before GWB that Saddam was a threat!

"..deny Iraq the capacity to develop WMD".Bill Clinton,1998
"..most brutal dictators of Century", Biden,1998
"Iraq compliance with Resolution 687 becomes shell game"..Daschle 1998
"He will use those WMDs again,as he has ten times since 1983" ..Berger Clinton Ntl. Secur. Advr 1998
"posed by Iraq's refusal to end its WMD programs" Levin 1998
"Saddam has been engaged in development of WMDs which is a threat.."Pelosi 1998 WHERE'D SHE GET THIS INFORMATION BEFORE BUSH?
"Hussein has chosen to spend his money on building WMDS.."Albright 1999
"Saddam to refine delivery systems, that will threaten the US..."Graham 2001
"Saddam has ignored the mandate of the UN and is building WMDs and the means to deliver.." Levin 2002
"Iraq's search for WMDs ...will continue as long as Saddam's in power"..Gore 2002
"Saddam retains stockpiles of WMDS.."Byrd 2002
"..give President authority to use force..to disarm Saddam because an arsenal of WMDs..threat our security"..Kerry 2002
"..Unmistakable evidence Saddam developing nuclear weapons next 5 years.."Rockefeller 2002
"Violated over 11 years every UN resolution demanding disarming WMDs.."Waxman 2002
"He's given aid,comfort & sanctuary to al Qaeda members..and keep developing WMDs"..Hillary 2002
"Compelling evidence Saddam has WMDs production storage capacity.." Graham 2002
"Without a question, we need to disarm Saddam. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime .... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction .... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real ...."Kerry , Jan. 23. 2003.



"Between 1999 and 2001, the U.S. and British-led air forces in Iraq dropped 1.3 million pounds of bombs in response to purported violations of the no-fly zones and anti-aircraft fire from Saddam Hussein.

A sweeping attack, conducted in January of 1999, rained down 25 missiles on Iraqi soil, killing civilians. Clinton said the attack was in response to four planes violating the no-fly zones.

Clinton and British Prime Minister Tony Blair authorized air strikes on more than 100 days in 1999, sometimes several times per day. The bombings were ostensibly in response to Husseins refusal to allow UN weapons inspectors into the country, though critics alleged the move was aimed at deflecting attention from impeachment.
The Raw Story | Clinton bombing of Iraq far exceeded Bush's in run-up to war; Bush 'spikes of activity' questioned

AND..
"When Clinton was here recently he told me he was absolutely convinced, given his years in the White House and the access to privileged information which he had, that Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction until the end of the Saddam regime," he said in an interview with Portuguese cable news channel SIC Noticias.
Clinton believes Iraq had weapons of mass destruction: Portugal PM

Clinton is talking about chemical weapons REAGAN helped Saddam get. And Clinton's policy worked with no US casualties. Bush was talking about a mushroom cloud on the way, and his policies cost 100,000+ lives and produced 100,000 jihadists from less than a hundred. A total catastrophe in every way, and you're the brainwashed chump of the greedy idiot rich...

 

[PredFan]

All of you Obamatrons so constantly blathering "Bush LIED people died" because they haven't found the WMDs yet that are in Syria by the way... YET YOU've bought hook line and sinker the BIGGEST most disastrous lie that Obama has told: "there are 46 million uninsured Americans"!

FACTS are there are less the 4 million Americans that truly want and need insurance! 4 Million NOT 46 million!

YET this bald grotesque LIE passed Obamacare by only 6 votes..
AND NOW we have even Harry Reid calling Obamacare a "train wreck"!
All because everyone including conservatives still think there were 46 million that wanted and needed insurance!

1) Census says 10 million of uninsured are not citizens!
2) A studyBlue Cross and Blue Shield Association contracted with the Actuarial Research Corporation (ARC) to provide a detailed analysis of the uninsured identified by the Census Bureau, which found:
- Of the 44.7 million non-elderly uninsured individuals identified in the 2004 Census Current Population Survey (CPS) data,
nearly one-third — almost 14 million — were reachable through existing government
health programs such as Medicaid and the State Children’s Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) under current rules.
by Source: http://coverageforall.org/pdf/BC-BS_Uninsured-America.pdf

24 million from 46 million leaves 22 million!
NOW the biggest stupidest LIE!!
Counted among those remaining 22 million are 18 million people that DON'T WANT health insurance!
DO YOU UNDERSTAND the implications of this???
These 18 million make over $50,000 a year. Don't want their employers insurance because they spend less then $1,000 a year out of their own pocket for health care!
THAT leaves 4 million! NOT 46 million! The biggest LIE ever told by a President... FAR BIGGER and more costly then WMDs!!!

Well, concidering that Hussein's WMDs wasn't a lie, I'd have to say that the 46 million uninsured is the bigger lie by far.

 

[francoHFW]

obstructing a terrible piece of legislation is the right thing to do. You are the one who needs to learn what this piece of crap bill really does.

The GOP opposes all legislation beside pure GOP propaganda. It's a GOP bill- even so it will be the most popular aand important social program EVER. Our GOP health system is a catastrophe, for the economy for starters.

I know, you're a clueless PPM drone. lol

Are you a shill for lawyers? Are you being paid NOT to answer why after Obama/Congress received $300 million in campaign donations there was NO tort reform?
Why are you totally ignoring the $850 billion a year that thousands of physicians ALL agree is spent on "defensive medicine" because of fear of lawsuits?
Do you have access to a database of 6,000 hospitals as I do that shows that hospitals markup sometimes by 6,000% claims sent to medicare?
YOU never deal in facts...just name calling, hyperbole, hysteria... NOT one fact!
Now again... why is it fair to force 18 million people to buy a service if they don't want it?
Why is it fair for obamacare to tax tanning salons 10% BUT NOT the lawyers that cause the $850 billion in wasted,duplicate claims?

Where is your fairness in that...Oh right you are a paid mouthpiece by the $200 billion a year lawyers!!!

Why is it so difficult to deal with FACTS?

There are, in O-care, care guidelines in order to cut malpractice costs, shyttehead. STHU and read something fair, dupe.

 

[TheSeventhTiger]

Have you ever in your lifetime had to endure over 4 years of blatant lies coming from your leaders? You could make a two hour special on it. "The Obama Years" The Laughable Legacy.