Who Are The Palestinains?

So are the Israeli's!

They're on the Pals reservations too; in contrast, the US government is not!

WTF are you talking about?

They're a population under occupation; they're already past the surrendering part, you dumbass!

No, because if they had surrendered, they wouldn't be shooting fireworks at Israel or trying to car bomb and bus bomb them... Japan and Germany did very well after they surrendered, and now they are a valued and trusted partner of the US. The Pals should try it. Since they suck at war anyways... Like all arab countries, btw.

How many people in Japan or Germany were kicked out of their home and replaces by US settlers?

They surrendered, the Pals should try it.
 
No, because if they had surrendered, they wouldn't be shooting fireworks at Israel or trying to car bomb and bus bomb them... Japan and Germany did very well after they surrendered, and now they are a valued and trusted partner of the US. The Pals should try it. Since they suck at war anyways... Like all arab countries, btw.
End the occupation and you won't get any fireworks.

It's that simple.
 
No, because if they had surrendered, they wouldn't be shooting fireworks at Israel or trying to car bomb and bus bomb them... Japan and Germany did very well after they surrendered, and now they are a valued and trusted partner of the US. The Pals should try it. Since they suck at war anyways... Like all arab countries, btw.

How many people in Japan or Germany were kicked out of their home and replaces by US settlers?

They surrendered, the Pals should try it.

Thank you.

Since the Palestinians have not surrendered, Israel has won no land.

Israel is claiming victory before the end of the war.
 
Thank you.

Since the Palestinians have not surrendered, Israel has won no land.

Israel is claiming victory before the end of the war.

Following the current pattern, in a few years there will be no West Bank Jordanians left to surrender.

Not true.

It is illegal to take land by force.

It is illegal to annex occupied land.
Yet you refuse to give your land back to the Indians. Practise what you preach, it would give you at least SOME credibility.
 
Thank you.

Since the Palestinians have not surrendered, Israel has won no land.

Israel is claiming victory before the end of the war.

Following the current pattern, in a few years there will be no West Bank Jordanians left to surrender.

Not true.

It is illegal to take land by force.

It is illegal to annex occupied land.

So the Babylonians, Greeks and Romans have to get together and write a document declaring the Jews the indisputable owners of the Land of Israel.
Sounds good to me.

Actually, taking land by force has been going on without interruption for thousands of years.
I think it's time you manned up and went to the Knesset and straightened things out.
And while you're at it, repartition the rest of the Middle East to where it was prior to WWI.
 
Thank you.

Since the Palestinians have not surrendered, Israel has won no land.

Israel is claiming victory before the end of the war.

Following the current pattern, in a few years there will be no West Bank Jordanians left to surrender.

Not true.

It is illegal to take land by force.

It is illegal to annex occupied land.

In a war of attack, yes it is illegal.

In a war of defense, no, it is totally legal to take the land.

Face it. The miracle of the 6 Day war in which Israel was about to be annihilated by surrounding countries gave Israel victory and the land back to the Jewish people where it rightfully belongs.
 
Not true.

It is illegal to take land by force.

It is illegal to annex occupied land.
Yet you refuse to give your land back to the Indians. Practise what you preach, it would give you at least SOME credibility.

I know Indians. Some live down the street.

What is your point?

You're claiming that Israel should give back land, while you're not willing to give back your land won in war to the Indians, which you took by force. That's called a hypocrite. Now you know.
 
It's really quite simple. Don't want to lose land? Don't attack Israel. It seems the Arab countries have finally figured that out. But then, Palestinians will be Palestinians.



Following the current pattern, in a few years there will be no West Bank Jordanians left to surrender.

Not true.

It is illegal to take land by force.

It is illegal to annex occupied land.

In a war of attack, yes it is illegal.

In a war of defense, no, it is totally legal to take the land.

Face it. The miracle of the 6 Day war in which Israel was about to be annihilated by surrounding countries gave Israel victory and the land back to the Jewish people where it rightfully belongs.
 
The so called Hamas charter was written by one man and was not signed by any Hamas leaders.
Ya okay, keep saying that as if anybody is going to believe it. :cuckoo:

Ah, so you have a list of Hamas leaders who signed that document?
Poor Tinmore. Why do you like kicking thorns? The Hamas Charter is not even denied by Hamas themselves. You guys need to get your stories straight. Either that, or Hamas needs to fire you as their spokesperson.
 
"Chriustians & Muslims before the time of Christ." That has got to be his best one yet. Heh Heh!



MOHOMOD Latici, he can't face the truth that Jews and Christians were in Israel thousands of years before Muslims and Arabs arrived. He keeps saying "Muslims were in Palestine before the time of Christ" when Islam is merely 1400 years old, and Arab animals invaded Israel hundreds of years after Islam arrived.

This kinda fits into the idiotic Muslim claim that Jesus, Moses, and Abraham were Muslims. Maybe they didn't know it. Ha ha ha.

Firstly, since before the time of Christ and prior to 614 AD the area was called Palestina Prima and was a province of the Roman Empire (either Western or Eastern/Byzantine).

In 614 the Persian Sassanid Empire (which was not Muslim at the time) with their Jewish allies conquered Palestina Prima from the Romans (Byzantines) they massacred most of the Christians and for a brief period it had a Jewish Governor.

The Romans retook Palestina Prima in 629 AD and the Jews were either killed, fled or converted to Christianity.

The Muslim never conquered Israel. They conquered the Roman Province of Palestina Prima for the first time in 637 when it was ruled by, and populated by Christians.

After the Muslim conquest, most Christians converted to Islam (obvious tax advantage). That is why the Muslims of Palestine today are, for the most part. the offspring of the same people that were once the Christians of Palestine. The Christian Palestinians are those that did not convert, for the most part.


Of course, the Christian Crusaders reconquered Palestine and ruled it as the Latin Kingdom from 1099 to 1187. Jews were less welcome in the Latin Kingdom than Muslims since they had helped the Muslims defend Jerusalem against the Crusaders. But, that's another part of history.




Timeline of Jerusalem - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Kingdom of Jerusalem - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Kingdom of Jerusalem - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Useless response and even more useless links that have nothing to do with the discussion.

So to recap, you're fulla shit again, you haven't been able to prove "there were Muslims in Palestine since the time of Christ", just spouting more bullshit Islamist propaganda and wishful thinking that "most Christians and Jews converted" without a shred of proof for that either.

Therefore, like a good convert you simply repeat the Islamist talking points about Israel and Jerusalem, which are simply garbage.

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"He keeps saying "Muslims were in Palestine before the time of Christ"

No, you have a reading comprehension problem. As all or most historians agree on, the Palestinians of today are the offspring of the Christians of Palestine that lived in Palestine to the end of Byzantine (Christian) rule in Palestine. and many or most of those Christians converted to Islam during Muslim rule.[/QUOTE]

Ha ha ha, what a load of crap. The only thing that is true about the Palestinians are that they are Arabs identical to their Arab neighbors, who invaded Israel in the 20 the century, and began calling themselves Palestinians as of the 1960's. You can put all the lipstick you want on this pig, but it will still be a pig. :lmao:
 
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1. Israel and Jerusalem have not always belonged to the Jews. The Phoenician Caanites founded and ruled Jerusalem from about 2,500 BC to 1,000 BC when the Jews invaded and conquered the city. So the Jews ruled the city for less than 1,000 years.

Canaanite Phoenician Jerusalem, Urushalim, The City Founded by Shalem, Phoenician God of Dusk

2. The Encyclopedia Britanica pay per view, I certainly am not going to pay money to educate you ignoramuses. But, it won't be any different than Wiki. 99% of Middle East historians will tell you the same thing, that the Palestinians are for the most part converted Christians. No one questions it except Zionutters. Even historians like this Katz guy, who is Jewish, write the same thing:



Native Population almost wholly descended from Jews who had been forcibly converted to Christianity, and later Islam, not Arab in origin

In Palestine the "small" number of Arab invaders who had been imported by the Arabian conquerors were wiped out by disease. Thus the "myth" of the "Palestinian Arab" descending "from the Arab conquerors" appears to be factually incorrect for all but perhaps a few. Supporting Hogarth, Hitti, and Lewis, the Reverend Parkes found that
"During the first century after the Arab conquest the caliph and governors of Syria and The Land [Palestine] ruled almost entirely over Christian and Jewish subjects. Apart from the bedouin [nomads], in the earliest days the only Arabs west of the Jordan (not all of whom were themselves Muslims) were the garnisons... "


"The "vast majority" remaining in Palestine was "native Christians," of "mixed origin ... carelessly known as Christian Arabs."

Native Population almost wholly descended from Jews who had been forcibly converted

But, for any of you that have any brains at all, think about this. Before the Arab "hordes" there were the German "hordes". They conquered most of Europe, and sacked Rome. They ruled much of Italy thereafter. Did the Italians turn into Germans. The Germans (Franks) conquered Gaul (France), did the French turn into Germans. Same with Spain. The Germans (Visigoths) conquered Spain but the Spanish remained Iberian. And finally, an Arab "horde" analogy, Sicily was conquered and ruled by the Arabs from 831 to 1072, the Sicilians did not magically become Arabs.





Now make your mind up about what the people who lived in Palestine were. As you say when the Germanic tribes conquered Italy the Italians did not become Germanic. By the same token when the arab muslims hordes conquered Palestine the people did not become Arabic. So the people stayed Judaic and European while becoming Islamic by force.

So how did the people of Samaria and Judea suddenly become arabs, unless the arab invaders wiped them out.................

"By the same token when the arab muslims hordes conquered Palestine the people did not become Arabic."

No they became Muslim and began speaking Arabic, but they were and continue to be the Byzantine Christians that converted to islam, for the most part.
Nope. There is no actual proof for any of your claims. Just wishful thinking by a Muslim convert who spreads lies 24 /7. Jews successfully defended the holy city of Hebron from the Crusaders over 600 years ago. Fast forward to 1929, invading Arab animals committed genocide and ethnic cleansing in these same ancient Jews, and turned the city into an "Arab city". The only way Arabs and Muslims acquire any land in history has been through invasions and barbarism. That is a fact you can take to the bank.
 
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All Muslim lands are stolen lands conquered by force whereby the indigenous populations of these lands were forced to convert, leave or be killed.



Now make your mind up about what the people who lived in Palestine were. As you say when the Germanic tribes conquered Italy the Italians did not become Germanic. By the same token when the arab muslims hordes conquered Palestine the people did not become Arabic. So the people stayed Judaic and European while becoming Islamic by force.

So how did the people of Samaria and Judea suddenly become arabs, unless the arab invaders wiped them out.................

"By the same token when the arab muslims hordes conquered Palestine the people did not become Arabic."

No they became Muslim and began speaking Arabic, but they were and continue to be the Byzantine Christians that converted to islam, for the most part.
Nope. There is no actual proof for any of your claims. Just wishful thinking by a Muslim convert who spreads lies 24 /7. Jews successfully defended the holy city of Hebron from the Crusaders over 600 years ago. Fast forward to 1929, invading Arab animals committed genocide and ethnic cleansing in these same ancient Jews, and turned the city into an "Arab city". The only way Arabs and Muslims acquire any land in history has been through invasions and barbarism. That is a fact you can take to the bank.
 

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