Who Are The Palestinains?

[montelatici]

Palestinians are Jordanians.

Yasser Arafat made them up for political purposes.
All the while Yasser was Egyptian.

Palestine was always a territory and territories are never a State.
States have governments.
Territories have no government and are subjects of other governments.
The PLO invented the State of Palestine in 1988 and the U.N. bought it hook line and sinker.

Orwell would be proud of you, you mimic the brainwashed citizen perfectly. They say that propaganda works best with dummies, you prove that point with flying colors!

The truth is not propaganda. Brainwashed? Isn't that what is called an enema in your circles?

No, it's what your conditioned mind is, brainwashed. You read the truth, know the truth yet believe the propaganda.

 

[Hossfly]

Orwell would be proud of you, you mimic the brainwashed citizen perfectly. They say that propaganda works best with dummies, you prove that point with flying colors!

The truth is not propaganda. Brainwashed? Isn't that what is called an enema in your circles?

No, it's what your conditioned mind is, brainwashed. You read the truth, know the truth yet believe the propaganda.

Of the 7 sentences Peach wrote, which one(s) are not true? Turnspeak is not recognized here.

 

[P F Tinmore]

AND are you forgetting your history of 194r8 when the arab league attacked and invaded Israel. many Palestinians took part in those attacks. Just as many Palestinians still attack Israel today, targeting children for the maximum effect. That one fact alone should turn every civilised decent person against the Palestinian scum.

I have asked many times for proof that that happened and have yet to receive a response.

It's History
The Arab-Israeli War of 1948 - 1945?1952 - Milestones - Office of the Historian

From your link:

After Israel declared its independence on May 14, 1948, the fighting intensified with other Arab forces joining the Palestinian Arabs in attacking territory in the former Palestinian mandate.

This action was followed by the invasion of the former Palestinian mandate by Arab armies from Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, and Egypt. Saudi Arabia sent a formation that fought under the Egyptian command.

Nowhere in that paper did it say that Israel was attacked.

 

[peach174]

Palestine was never a country. You keep repeating it as though it's going to become true somehow.

Really!
Tinnmore
Palestine was a territory and was run by the British.
Had Palestine been a State the British could never have declared Israel as a State to the Jews.

"The Palestine Mandate

ART. 2.

The Mandatory shall be responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish national home, as laid down in the preamble, and the development of self-governing institutions, and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion......"


The Avalon Project : The Palestine Mandate

What does the top of the Mandate say?
said Powers the administration of the territory of Palestine

Territory
Palestine was always a territory.

 

[Hossfly]

I have asked many times for proof that that happened and have yet to receive a response.

It's History
The Arab-Israeli War of 1948 - 1945?1952 - Milestones - Office of the Historian

From your link:

After Israel declared its independence on May 14, 1948, the fighting intensified with other Arab forces joining the Palestinian Arabs in attacking territory in the former Palestinian mandate.

This action was followed by the invasion of the former Palestinian mandate by Arab armies from Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, and Egypt. Saudi Arabia sent a formation that fought under the Egyptian command.

Nowhere in that paper did it say that Israel was attacked.

Then who were the Ayrab armies inside Israel (or Palestine as you call it)? An un-organized church tour with weapons?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Palestine was never a country. You keep repeating it as though it's going to become true somehow.

Really!
Tinnmore
Palestine was a territory and was run by the British.
Had Palestine been a State the British could never have declared Israel as a State to the Jews.

"The Palestine Mandate

ART. 2.

The Mandatory shall be responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish national home, as laid down in the preamble, and the development of self-governing institutions, and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion......"


The Avalon Project : The Palestine Mandate

The system will not allow me to give you a positive rep, so...

As a matter of fact, the Palestine mandate called Palestine a country ten times.

Here is something to think about.

1. The subjection of peoples to alien subjugation, domination and exploitation constitutes a denial of fundamental human rights, is contrary to the Charter of the United Nations and is an impediment to the promotion of world peace and co-operation.

2. All peoples have the right to self-determination; by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.

3. Inadequacy of political, economic, social or educational preparedness should never serve as a pretext for delaying independence.

4. All armed action or repressive measures of all kinds directed against dependent peoples shall cease in order to enable them to exercise peacefully and freely their right to complete independence, and the integrity of their national territory shall be respected.

5. Immediate steps shall be taken, in Trust and Non-Self-Governing Territories or all other territories which have not yet attained independence, to transfer all powers to the peoples of those territories, without any conditions or reservations, in accordance with their freely expressed will and desire, without any distinction as to race, creed or colour, in order to enable them to enjoy complete independence and freedom.

6. Any attempt aimed at the partial or total disruption of the national unity and the territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations.

7. All States shall observe faithfully and strictly the provisions of the Charter of the United Nations, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the present Declaration on the basis of equality, non-interference in the internal affairs of all States, and respect for the sovereign rights of all peoples and their territorial integrity.

The United Nations and Decolonization - Declaration

 

[P F Tinmore]

It's History
The Arab-Israeli War of 1948 - 1945?1952 - Milestones - Office of the Historian

From your link:

After Israel declared its independence on May 14, 1948, the fighting intensified with other Arab forces joining the Palestinian Arabs in attacking territory in the former Palestinian mandate.

This action was followed by the invasion of the former Palestinian mandate by Arab armies from Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, and Egypt. Saudi Arabia sent a formation that fought under the Egyptian command.

Nowhere in that paper did it say that Israel was attacked.

Then who were the Ayrab armies inside Israel (or Palestine as you call it)? An un-organized church tour with weapons?

I didn't call it that. That is what it was. The 1949 UN armistice agreements called it Palestine.

BTW, they did not call it the "former Palestinian mandate" as the propagandists do.

 

[Hossfly]

Really!
Tinnmore
Palestine was a territory and was run by the British.
Had Palestine been a State the British could never have declared Israel as a State to the Jews.

"The Palestine Mandate

ART. 2.

The Mandatory shall be responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish national home, as laid down in the preamble, and the development of self-governing institutions, and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion......"


The Avalon Project : The Palestine Mandate

The system will not allow me to give you a positive rep, so...

As a matter of fact, the Palestine mandate called Palestine a country ten times.

Here is something to think about.

1. The subjection of peoples to alien subjugation, domination and exploitation constitutes a denial of fundamental human rights, is contrary to the Charter of the United Nations and is an impediment to the promotion of world peace and co-operation.

2. All peoples have the right to self-determination; by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.

3. Inadequacy of political, economic, social or educational preparedness should never serve as a pretext for delaying independence.

4. All armed action or repressive measures of all kinds directed against dependent peoples shall cease in order to enable them to exercise peacefully and freely their right to complete independence, and the integrity of their national territory shall be respected.

5. Immediate steps shall be taken, in Trust and Non-Self-Governing Territories or all other territories which have not yet attained independence, to transfer all powers to the peoples of those territories, without any conditions or reservations, in accordance with their freely expressed will and desire, without any distinction as to race, creed or colour, in order to enable them to enjoy complete independence and freedom.

6. Any attempt aimed at the partial or total disruption of the national unity and the territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations.

7. All States shall observe faithfully and strictly the provisions of the Charter of the United Nations, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the present Declaration on the basis of equality, non-interference in the internal affairs of all States, and respect for the sovereign rights of all peoples and their territorial integrity.

The United Nations and Decolonization - Declaration

I think we need another peace initiative. What about you, Tinmore? Peace talks provide fodder for the academic study of failed diplomacy and also gives obscure politicians a shot at a Nobel prize.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Of course, as long as 7000 PLO rockets are fired into Israel each year, the dumb Jews should just LEVEL all muslim areas attacking them, and be done with it! Rabid puppies grow to be rabid dogs.... Remarkable the restraint those people have, wonder what we'd do if ONE missile came into America from Cuba?

7000???

Chickenfeed.

7000 IDF artillery shells, raining down on Hamas positions?

Chickenfeed.

7000 JDAM bombs, dropping down on Hamas positions?

Chickenfeed.

7000 collateral casualties, as a result of those shells and bombs?

Chickenfeed.

LOL... right, Tinny?

See how that works?

What's good for the goose is good for the gander, don't ya think?

You sure you wanna go down that path, Tinny?

Start @ 1:42 :40

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrTpXBeyClM]Ali Abunimah in ABQ. - YouTube[/ame]

 

[P F Tinmore]

"The Palestine Mandate

ART. 2.

The Mandatory shall be responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish national home, as laid down in the preamble, and the development of self-governing institutions, and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion......"


The Avalon Project : The Palestine Mandate

The system will not allow me to give you a positive rep, so...

As a matter of fact, the Palestine mandate called Palestine a country ten times.

Here is something to think about.

1. The subjection of peoples to alien subjugation, domination and exploitation constitutes a denial of fundamental human rights, is contrary to the Charter of the United Nations and is an impediment to the promotion of world peace and co-operation.

2. All peoples have the right to self-determination; by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.

3. Inadequacy of political, economic, social or educational preparedness should never serve as a pretext for delaying independence.

4. All armed action or repressive measures of all kinds directed against dependent peoples shall cease in order to enable them to exercise peacefully and freely their right to complete independence, and the integrity of their national territory shall be respected.

5. Immediate steps shall be taken, in Trust and Non-Self-Governing Territories or all other territories which have not yet attained independence, to transfer all powers to the peoples of those territories, without any conditions or reservations, in accordance with their freely expressed will and desire, without any distinction as to race, creed or colour, in order to enable them to enjoy complete independence and freedom.

6. Any attempt aimed at the partial or total disruption of the national unity and the territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations.

7. All States shall observe faithfully and strictly the provisions of the Charter of the United Nations, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the present Declaration on the basis of equality, non-interference in the internal affairs of all States, and respect for the sovereign rights of all peoples and their territorial integrity.

The United Nations and Decolonization - Declaration

I think we need another peace initiative. What about you, Tinmore? Peace talks provide fodder for the academic study of failed diplomacy and also gives obscure politicians a shot at a Nobel prize.

The so called peace process is designed to fail. It always has and always will.

Peace is already laid out in international law. Until the world decides to enforce international law there will be no peace.

 

[peach174]

I have asked many times for proof that that happened and have yet to receive a response.

It's History
The Arab-Israeli War of 1948 - 1945?1952 - Milestones - Office of the Historian

From your link:

After Israel declared its independence on May 14, 1948, the fighting intensified with other Arab forces joining the Palestinian Arabs in attacking territory in the former Palestinian mandate.

This action was followed by the invasion of the former Palestinian mandate by Arab armies from Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, and Egypt. Saudi Arabia sent a formation that fought under the Egyptian command.

Nowhere in that paper did it say that Israel was attacked.

What the heck do you think that territory was?
On 15 May 1948 the ongoing civil war transformed into an inter-state conflict between Israel and the Arab states. A combined invasion by Egypt, Jordan and Syria, together with expeditionary forces from Iraq, entered Palestine - Jordan having declared privately to Yishuv emissaries on May 2 it would abide by a decision not to attack the Jewish state. The invading forces took control of the Arab areas and immediately attacked Israeli forces and several Jewish settlements.

As a result of the war the State of Israel retained the area that the UN General Assembly Resolution 181 had recommended for the proposed Jewish state and also took control of almost 60% of the area allocated for the proposed Arab state, including the Jaffa, Lydda and Ramle area, Galilee, some parts of the Negev, a wide strip along the Tel-Aviv-Jerusalem road, West Jerusalem, and some territories in the West Bank. Transjordan took control of the remainder of the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, and the Egyptian military took control of the Gaza Strip. No Arab Palestinian state was created.

 

[montelatici]

Really!
Tinnmore
Palestine was a territory and was run by the British.
Had Palestine been a State the British could never have declared Israel as a State to the Jews.

"The Palestine Mandate

ART. 2.

The Mandatory shall be responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish national home, as laid down in the preamble, and the development of self-governing institutions, and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion......"


The Avalon Project : The Palestine Mandate

What does the top of the Mandate say?
said Powers the administration of the territory of Palestine

Territory
Palestine was always a territory.

Territory refers to the former Turkish territory if you can read and it further states that "within such boundaries as may be fixed by them;" (the Allies) the country is formed, and in fact it is referred to as "country" several times afterwards and never again as "territory".

 

[Hossfly]

From your link:



Nowhere in that paper did it say that Israel was attacked.

Then who were the Ayrab armies inside Israel (or Palestine as you call it)? An un-organized church tour with weapons?

I didn't call it that. That is what it was. The 1949 UN armistice agreements called it Palestine.

BTW, they did not call it the "former Palestinian mandate" as the propagandists do.

Tinmore, you just provided an example of not answering a question but dancing and skating and giving a statement not related to the question or by questioning the question with a stupid, juvenile question.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore; montelatici; peach174;

England is a country that is part of the United Kingdom; the greater sovereignty. (Something to think about!)

Really!
Tinnmore
Palestine was a territory and was run by the British.
Had Palestine been a State the British could never have declared Israel as a State to the Jews.

"The Palestine Mandate

ART. 2.

The Mandatory shall be responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish national home, as laid down in the preamble, and the development of self-governing institutions, and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion......"


The Avalon Project : The Palestine Mandate

The system will not allow me to give you a positive rep, so...

As a matter of fact, the Palestine mandate called Palestine a country ten times.

Here is something to think about.

1. The subjection of peoples to alien subjugation, domination and exploitation constitutes a denial of fundamental human rights, is contrary to the Charter of the United Nations and is an impediment to the promotion of world peace and co-operation.

2. All peoples have the right to self-determination; by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.

3. Inadequacy of political, economic, social or educational preparedness should never serve as a pretext for delaying independence.

4. All armed action or repressive measures of all kinds directed against dependent peoples shall cease in order to enable them to exercise peacefully and freely their right to complete independence, and the integrity of their national territory shall be respected.

5. Immediate steps shall be taken, in Trust and Non-Self-Governing Territories or all other territories which have not yet attained independence, to transfer all powers to the peoples of those territories, without any conditions or reservations, in accordance with their freely expressed will and desire, without any distinction as to race, creed or colour, in order to enable them to enjoy complete independence and freedom.

6. Any attempt aimed at the partial or total disruption of the national unity and the territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations.

7. All States shall observe faithfully and strictly the provisions of the Charter of the United Nations, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the present Declaration on the basis of equality, non-interference in the internal affairs of all States, and respect for the sovereign rights of all peoples and their territorial integrity.

The United Nations and Decolonization - Declaration

(COMMENT)

Palestine may have been considered a "country" --- but, in 1922, what does that mean? It was never a colony.

What was Palestine (the Mandate of)?

Palestine is today a legal entity but it is not a sovereign state. Palestine is a territory administered under mandate by His Majesty (in respect of the United Kingdom), who is entirely responsible both for its internal administration and for its foreign affairs.

After the 15th May, 1948, Palestine will continue to be a legal entity but it will still not be a sovereign state because it will not be immediately self-governing. The authority responsible for its administration will, however, have changed.

SOURCE: PAL/138 27 February 1948

Something to think about!

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[montelatici]

Insofar as the propaganda claiming Palestinians were an "invention" of Arafat:

"The hotel was the base for a Palestine Arab delegation that arrived in London in August 1921 and spent almost a year there, protesting in vain against the proposed terms of the British Mandate for Palestine.[3] The president of the delegation was Musa Kazim al-Husseini; its secretary was Shibli al-Jamal; the other delegates were Tawfiq Hammad, Amin al-Tamimi, Ibrahim Shammas and Mu'in al-Madi; the assistant secretary was Dr Fu'ad Samad."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotel_Cecil_(London)



http://btd.palestine-studies.org/sites/default/files/styles/article_page/public/p.96%20%2384.jpg?itok=i5vNMm8l

The First Palestinian Delegation to the United Kingdom in working session in London, 1921. Two of the six-man delegation (first and fourth left) were Christian Palestinians. The delegation was elected by the Fourth Palestinian National Congress (see 83). Third left is Musa Kazim Pasha al-Husseini (see 78); fourth left is Shibli Jamal (see 62). This was the first of four Palestinian delegations to London undertaken during the period 1921-30 to explain Arab fears of the consequences of Zionist policies in Palestine.

 

[montelatici]

And finally, to the consumers of the Israeli propaganda that attempts to delegitimize Palestinians by claiming that they are a recent invention by Arafat, source documentation from the UN Archives, check out the date of the meeting:

PALESTINE. CORRESPONDENCE WITH THE PALESTINE ARAB DELEGATION AND THE ZIONIST ORGANISATION. Presented to Parliament by Command of His Majesty. JUNE, 1922. LONDON: -
​

See more at: UK correspondence with Palestine Arab Delegation and Zionist Organization/British policy in Palestine: "Churchill White Paper" - UK documentation Cmd. 1700/Non-UN document (excerpts) (1 July 1922)

 

[peach174]

And finally, to the consumers of the Israeli propaganda that attempts to delegitimize Palestinians by claiming that they are a recent invention by Arafat, source documentation from the UN Archives, check out the date of the meeting:

PALESTINE. CORRESPONDENCE WITH THE PALESTINE ARAB DELEGATION AND THE ZIONIST ORGANISATION. Presented to Parliament by Command of His Majesty. JUNE, 1922. LONDON: -
​

See more at: UK correspondence with Palestine Arab Delegation and Zionist Organization/British policy in Palestine: "Churchill White Paper" - UK documentation Cmd. 1700/Non-UN document (excerpts) (1 July 1922)

They were under the control of the British and they were never a State.

 

[montelatici]

And finally, to the consumers of the Israeli propaganda that attempts to delegitimize Palestinians by claiming that they are a recent invention by Arafat, source documentation from the UN Archives, check out the date of the meeting:

PALESTINE. CORRESPONDENCE WITH THE PALESTINE ARAB DELEGATION AND THE ZIONIST ORGANISATION. Presented to Parliament by Command of His Majesty. JUNE, 1922. LONDON: -
​

See more at: UK correspondence with Palestine Arab Delegation and Zionist Organization/British policy in Palestine: "Churchill White Paper" - UK documentation Cmd. 1700/Non-UN document (excerpts) (1 July 1922)

They were under the control of the British and they were never a State.

Who cares, they were Palestinians back in the 1920s, not in 1988. There were no Indians until Indian independence?

 

[P F Tinmore]

And finally, to the consumers of the Israeli propaganda that attempts to delegitimize Palestinians by claiming that they are a recent invention by Arafat, source documentation from the UN Archives, check out the date of the meeting:

PALESTINE. CORRESPONDENCE WITH THE PALESTINE ARAB DELEGATION AND THE ZIONIST ORGANISATION. Presented to Parliament by Command of His Majesty. JUNE, 1922. LONDON: -
​

See more at: UK correspondence with Palestine Arab Delegation and Zionist Organization/British policy in Palestine: "Churchill White Paper" - UK documentation Cmd. 1700/Non-UN document (excerpts) (1 July 1922)

They were under the control of the British and they were never a State.

"A state" is a propaganda term. The legal rights of a people precede statehood. Statehood is the product of exercising rights not a prerequisite.

 

[peach174]

And finally, to the consumers of the Israeli propaganda that attempts to delegitimize Palestinians by claiming that they are a recent invention by Arafat, source documentation from the UN Archives, check out the date of the meeting:

PALESTINE. CORRESPONDENCE WITH THE PALESTINE ARAB DELEGATION AND THE ZIONIST ORGANISATION. Presented to Parliament by Command of His Majesty. JUNE, 1922. LONDON: -
​

See more at: UK correspondence with Palestine Arab Delegation and Zionist Organization/British policy in Palestine: "Churchill White Paper" - UK documentation Cmd. 1700/Non-UN document (excerpts) (1 July 1922)

They were under the control of the British and they were never a State.

"A state" is a propaganda term. The legal rights of a people precede statehood. Statehood is the product of exercising rights not a prerequisite.

If the nomadic tribes had not been against statehood in the later part of the 1800's then Israel would have never been able to have it's own State.
All though I do understand why they didn't. I also would have been against those taxes & fees that was introduced.