Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2

[Sixties Fan]

Absolutely nothing in White’s argument even slightly undermines the argument that descendants of refugees are not real refugees, that Palestinians are the only people in the world given the right to bestow “refugee” status and benefits to their descendants (and their descendants, in perpetuity), and that that there are only 20,000 or so real refugees from 1948 remaining.

The one example he provides from a UNHCR report, noting that some Afghans have been refugees in Pakistan for 30 years, does not contradict the fact that these Afghan refugees can not pass on their refugee status to children who were born in the host country and never lived in their parent’s country of birth.

He’s right that the mere “passage of time” shouldn’t necessarily remove refugee status from a genuine refugee, but dying most certainly should.

Remarkably, not only does UNRWA still legitimise and defend the “right of return” and resist resettlement of Palestinian “refugees”, but consider, as refugees, people of Palestinian descent who are citizens of new states (like Jordan or Lebanon), and even Palestinian citizens of Palestinian ruled territories in the West Bank and Gaza.

As we’ve argued previously, if UNRWA’s definition was applied to the 800,000 Jewish refugees from Arab lands between 1945 and 1967, it would make millions of Israeli Jews (who are descendants of those 800,000 refugees) eligible for UNRWA-style refugee status and benefits.

(full article online)

Ben White tries to refute fact that 99% of Palestinian “refugees” are NOT real refugees

 

[Sixties Fan]

http://www.israelhayom.com/opinions/jewish-compassion-for-real-refugees/

 

[Sixties Fan]

In other words, Nariman deliberately told her young daughter Ahed and cousin Nour to go down there and start trouble with the soldiers, in order to kick them off the property.


Filming her young daughter attacking soldiers is bad enough; but actually instructing her to do so is even worse child abuse.

(full article online)

EXCLUSIVE: Shirley Temper’s Mother Actually Instructed Her to Cause Trouble with the Soldiers

 

[P F Tinmore]

In other words, Nariman deliberately told her young daughter Ahed and cousin Nour to go down there and start trouble with the soldiers, in order to kick them off the property.


Filming her young daughter attacking soldiers is bad enough; but actually instructing her to do so is even worse child abuse.

(full article online)

EXCLUSIVE: Shirley Temper’s Mother Actually Instructed Her to Cause Trouble with the Soldiers

She was telling foreign troops to get out of her yard.

Where is that illegitimate?

 

[ForeverYoung436]

In other words, Nariman deliberately told her young daughter Ahed and cousin Nour to go down there and start trouble with the soldiers, in order to kick them off the property.


Filming her young daughter attacking soldiers is bad enough; but actually instructing her to do so is even worse child abuse.

(full article online)

EXCLUSIVE: Shirley Temper’s Mother Actually Instructed Her to Cause Trouble with the Soldiers

She was telling foreign troops to get out of her yard.

Where is that illegitimate?

1) Was that her actual yard?

2) In the absence of a peace agreement, Areas B and C are under Israeli authority for the time being.

3) It shows a lack of normal motherly instincts to put her own child in harm's way. And then taping it?

 

[P F Tinmore]

In other words, Nariman deliberately told her young daughter Ahed and cousin Nour to go down there and start trouble with the soldiers, in order to kick them off the property.


Filming her young daughter attacking soldiers is bad enough; but actually instructing her to do so is even worse child abuse.

(full article online)

EXCLUSIVE: Shirley Temper’s Mother Actually Instructed Her to Cause Trouble with the Soldiers

She was telling foreign troops to get out of her yard.

Where is that illegitimate?

1) Was that her actual yard?

2) In the absence of a peace agreement, Areas B and C are under Israeli authority for the time being.

3) It shows a lack of normal motherly instincts to put her own child in harm's way. And then taping it?

OK, but they are supposed to protect civilians and their properties, not steal from them and kill them.

 

[Hollie]

In other words, Nariman deliberately told her young daughter Ahed and cousin Nour to go down there and start trouble with the soldiers, in order to kick them off the property.


Filming her young daughter attacking soldiers is bad enough; but actually instructing her to do so is even worse child abuse.

(full article online)

EXCLUSIVE: Shirley Temper’s Mother Actually Instructed Her to Cause Trouble with the Soldiers

She was telling foreign troops to get out of her yard.

Where is that illegitimate?

1) Was that her actual yard?

2) In the absence of a peace agreement, Areas B and C are under Israeli authority for the time being.

3) It shows a lack of normal motherly instincts to put her own child in harm's way. And then taping it?

OK, but they are supposed to protect civilians and their properties, not steal from them and kill them.

OK, but the soldiers were not stealing anything and not killing anyone. This was just another staged Pally’wood event that went badly for Pally’wood Studios and went worse for the Pally’wood stooge who is now sitting in jail.

 

[P F Tinmore]

In other words, Nariman deliberately told her young daughter Ahed and cousin Nour to go down there and start trouble with the soldiers, in order to kick them off the property.


Filming her young daughter attacking soldiers is bad enough; but actually instructing her to do so is even worse child abuse.

(full article online)

EXCLUSIVE: Shirley Temper’s Mother Actually Instructed Her to Cause Trouble with the Soldiers

She was telling foreign troops to get out of her yard.

Where is that illegitimate?

1) Was that her actual yard?

2) In the absence of a peace agreement, Areas B and C are under Israeli authority for the time being.

3) It shows a lack of normal motherly instincts to put her own child in harm's way. And then taping it?

OK, but they are supposed to protect civilians and their properties, not steal from them and kill them.

OK, but the soldiers were not stealing anything and not killing anyone. This was just another staged Pally’wood event that went badly for Pally’wood Studios and went worse for the Pally’wood stooge who is now sitting in jail.

Then why were those IDF goontards in their yard?

 

[Sixties Fan]

In other words, Nariman deliberately told her young daughter Ahed and cousin Nour to go down there and start trouble with the soldiers, in order to kick them off the property.


Filming her young daughter attacking soldiers is bad enough; but actually instructing her to do so is even worse child abuse.

(full article online)

EXCLUSIVE: Shirley Temper’s Mother Actually Instructed Her to Cause Trouble with the Soldiers

She was telling foreign troops to get out of her yard.

Where is that illegitimate?

1) Was that her actual yard?

2) In the absence of a peace agreement, Areas B and C are under Israeli authority for the time being.

3) It shows a lack of normal motherly instincts to put her own child in harm's way. And then taping it?

OK, but they are supposed to protect civilians and their properties, not steal from them and kill them.

OK, but the soldiers were not stealing anything and not killing anyone. This was just another staged Pally’wood event that went badly for Pally’wood Studios and went worse for the Pally’wood stooge who is now sitting in jail.

Then why were those IDF goontards in their yard?

They were there doing their duty, arresting terrorists or those like Ahed's cousin who had been throwing rocks at civilians or soldiers.

The Tamimis need to learn to restrain themselves when they see soldiers and not hit, kick, throw rocks, molotov cocktails, or anything else.......and film it while they are doing it.

The Tamimis do not wish for the IDF to come to their village, stay away from attacks on soldiers and they will stay away from trouble, and the IDF will not have to come into their village and arrest those who are causing severe problems.

 

[Sixties Fan]

"We have nothing against Jews - but the 'Zionists' control the world" ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News

 

[P F Tinmore]

She was telling foreign troops to get out of her yard.

Where is that illegitimate?

1) Was that her actual yard?

2) In the absence of a peace agreement, Areas B and C are under Israeli authority for the time being.

3) It shows a lack of normal motherly instincts to put her own child in harm's way. And then taping it?

OK, but they are supposed to protect civilians and their properties, not steal from them and kill them.

OK, but the soldiers were not stealing anything and not killing anyone. This was just another staged Pally’wood event that went badly for Pally’wood Studios and went worse for the Pally’wood stooge who is now sitting in jail.

Then why were those IDF goontards in their yard?

They were there doing their duty, arresting terrorists or those like Ahed's cousin who had been throwing rocks at civilians or soldiers.

The Tamimis need to learn to restrain themselves when they see soldiers and not hit, kick, throw rocks, molotov cocktails, or anything else.......and film it while they are doing it.

The Tamimis do not wish for the IDF to come to their village, stay away from attacks on soldiers and they will stay away from trouble, and the IDF will not have to come into their village and arrest those who are causing severe problems.

They are protesting land theft and water theft. That is perfectly legitimate.

 

[Sixties Fan]

1) Was that her actual yard?

2) In the absence of a peace agreement, Areas B and C are under Israeli authority for the time being.

3) It shows a lack of normal motherly instincts to put her own child in harm's way. And then taping it?

OK, but they are supposed to protect civilians and their properties, not steal from them and kill them.

OK, but the soldiers were not stealing anything and not killing anyone. This was just another staged Pally’wood event that went badly for Pally’wood Studios and went worse for the Pally’wood stooge who is now sitting in jail.

Then why were those IDF goontards in their yard?

They were there doing their duty, arresting terrorists or those like Ahed's cousin who had been throwing rocks at civilians or soldiers.

The Tamimis need to learn to restrain themselves when they see soldiers and not hit, kick, throw rocks, molotov cocktails, or anything else.......and film it while they are doing it.

The Tamimis do not wish for the IDF to come to their village, stay away from attacks on soldiers and they will stay away from trouble, and the IDF will not have to come into their village and arrest those who are causing severe problems.

They are protesting land theft and water theft. That is perfectly legitimate.

Stop.....please stop.......!!!!!

They are the thieves of the Jewish homeland.

They have nothing to protest but against their own Muslim leaders who have distorted their minds into the mess they have become.

They are not getting Jewish homeland for themselves except what will be negotiated, if ever, between the "finally" moderate, peaceful leaders who will want what is best for their people, and not what the Quran continues to demand: Muslim supremacy over the Jews at any time.

Go.....pass on the message

 

[Hollie]

1) Was that her actual yard?

2) In the absence of a peace agreement, Areas B and C are under Israeli authority for the time being.

3) It shows a lack of normal motherly instincts to put her own child in harm's way. And then taping it?

OK, but they are supposed to protect civilians and their properties, not steal from them and kill them.

OK, but the soldiers were not stealing anything and not killing anyone. This was just another staged Pally’wood event that went badly for Pally’wood Studios and went worse for the Pally’wood stooge who is now sitting in jail.

Then why were those IDF goontards in their yard?

They were there doing their duty, arresting terrorists or those like Ahed's cousin who had been throwing rocks at civilians or soldiers.

The Tamimis need to learn to restrain themselves when they see soldiers and not hit, kick, throw rocks, molotov cocktails, or anything else.......and film it while they are doing it.

The Tamimis do not wish for the IDF to come to their village, stay away from attacks on soldiers and they will stay away from trouble, and the IDF will not have to come into their village and arrest those who are causing severe problems.

They are protesting land theft and water theft. That is perfectly legitimate.

You describe a staged confrontation as legitimate but how cowardly that you flail your Pom Poms when it is others who will face consequences.

 

[P F Tinmore]

OK, but they are supposed to protect civilians and their properties, not steal from them and kill them.

OK, but the soldiers were not stealing anything and not killing anyone. This was just another staged Pally’wood event that went badly for Pally’wood Studios and went worse for the Pally’wood stooge who is now sitting in jail.

Then why were those IDF goontards in their yard?

They were there doing their duty, arresting terrorists or those like Ahed's cousin who had been throwing rocks at civilians or soldiers.

The Tamimis need to learn to restrain themselves when they see soldiers and not hit, kick, throw rocks, molotov cocktails, or anything else.......and film it while they are doing it.

The Tamimis do not wish for the IDF to come to their village, stay away from attacks on soldiers and they will stay away from trouble, and the IDF will not have to come into their village and arrest those who are causing severe problems.

They are protesting land theft and water theft. That is perfectly legitimate.

You describe a staged confrontation as legitimate but how cowardly that you flail your Pom Poms when it is others who will face consequences.

What they do is up to them. I have nothing to do with it.

 

[Hollie]

OK, but the soldiers were not stealing anything and not killing anyone. This was just another staged Pally’wood event that went badly for Pally’wood Studios and went worse for the Pally’wood stooge who is now sitting in jail.

Then why were those IDF goontards in their yard?

They were there doing their duty, arresting terrorists or those like Ahed's cousin who had been throwing rocks at civilians or soldiers.

The Tamimis need to learn to restrain themselves when they see soldiers and not hit, kick, throw rocks, molotov cocktails, or anything else.......and film it while they are doing it.

The Tamimis do not wish for the IDF to come to their village, stay away from attacks on soldiers and they will stay away from trouble, and the IDF will not have to come into their village and arrest those who are causing severe problems.

They are protesting land theft and water theft. That is perfectly legitimate.

You describe a staged confrontation as legitimate but how cowardly that you flail your Pom Poms when it is others who will face consequences.

What they do is up to them. I have nothing to do with it.

Of course. You’re simply a wannabe, and a coward, who will coerce and push children into situations that will endanger them. You do your Jooooo hating using children as a shield.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Then why were those IDF goontards in their yard?

They were there doing their duty, arresting terrorists or those like Ahed's cousin who had been throwing rocks at civilians or soldiers.

The Tamimis need to learn to restrain themselves when they see soldiers and not hit, kick, throw rocks, molotov cocktails, or anything else.......and film it while they are doing it.

The Tamimis do not wish for the IDF to come to their village, stay away from attacks on soldiers and they will stay away from trouble, and the IDF will not have to come into their village and arrest those who are causing severe problems.

They are protesting land theft and water theft. That is perfectly legitimate.

You describe a staged confrontation as legitimate but how cowardly that you flail your Pom Poms when it is others who will face consequences.

What they do is up to them. I have nothing to do with it.

Of course. You’re simply a wannabe, and a coward, who will coerce and push children into situations that will endanger them. You do your Jooooo hating using children as a shield.

Take your Jooooo hating and pound it up your ass.

 

[Shusha]

In other words, Nariman deliberately told her young daughter Ahed and cousin Nour to go down there and start trouble with the soldiers, in order to kick them off the property.


Filming her young daughter attacking soldiers is bad enough; but actually instructing her to do so is even worse child abuse.

(full article online)

EXCLUSIVE: Shirley Temper’s Mother Actually Instructed Her to Cause Trouble with the Soldiers

She was telling foreign troops to get out of her yard.

Where is that illegitimate?

Where you send a child to confront LEOs. No child should ever be engaged in that sort of activity. Children are to be protected.

 

[Hollie]

They were there doing their duty, arresting terrorists or those like Ahed's cousin who had been throwing rocks at civilians or soldiers.

The Tamimis need to learn to restrain themselves when they see soldiers and not hit, kick, throw rocks, molotov cocktails, or anything else.......and film it while they are doing it.

The Tamimis do not wish for the IDF to come to their village, stay away from attacks on soldiers and they will stay away from trouble, and the IDF will not have to come into their village and arrest those who are causing severe problems.

They are protesting land theft and water theft. That is perfectly legitimate.

You describe a staged confrontation as legitimate but how cowardly that you flail your Pom Poms when it is others who will face consequences.

What they do is up to them. I have nothing to do with it.

Of course. You’re simply a wannabe, and a coward, who will coerce and push children into situations that will endanger them. You do your Jooooo hating using children as a shield.

Take your Jooooo hating and pound it up your ass.

Settle down, chuckles. It’s not unfair to call out a coward for shamelessly and recklessly using children to create a staged event that urges those children to use violence.

You’re insensate Joooo hatreds shouldn't be used to put children in danger.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
※→ Sixties Fan, et al,

Yes, I hve to agree.

Absolutely nothing in White’s argument even slightly undermines the argument that descendants of refugees are not real refugees, that Palestinians are the only people in the world given the right to bestow “refugee” status and benefits to their descendants (and their descendants, in perpetuity), and that that there are only 20,000 or so real refugees from 1948 remaining.

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Ben White tries to refute fact that 99% of Palestinian “refugees” are NOT real refugees

(COMMENT)

It should be remembered that there is no international aw, pertaining to Palestinians that exactly defines what the status of "refugee" might be. The concept that a descendant is a refugee comes from CERI [the UN Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA) Consolidated Eligibility and Registration Instructions (CERI)] a handbook for UNRWA workers to use in the processing of benefit applications (UN welfare/unemployment).

The Customary Law (which does not describe the applicability to Palestine), in contemporary history, follows the 1951 Convention:

Article 1
DEFINITION OF THE TERM "REFUGEE"

A. For the purposes of the present Convention, the term “refugee” shall
apply to any person who:

(1) Has been considered a refugee under the Arrangements of 12 May 1926 and 30 June 1928 or under the Conventions of 28 October 1933 and 10 February 1938, the Protocol of 14 September 1939 or the Constitution of the International Refugee Organization;

Decisions of non-eligibility taken by the International Refugee Organization during the period of its activities shall not prevent the status of refugee being accorded to persons who fulfil the conditions of paragraph 2 of this section;

(2) As a result of events occurring before 1 January 1951 and owing to well founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political opinion, is outside the country of his nationality and is unable or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to avail himself of the protection of that country; or who, not having a nationality and being outside the country of his former habitual residence as a result of such events, is unable or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to return to it.

In the case of a person who has more than one nationality, the term “the country of his nationality” shall mean each of the countries of which he is a national, and a person shall not be deemed to be lacking the protection of the country of his nationality if, without any valid reason based on well-founded fear, he has not availed himself of the protection of one of the countries of which he is a national.​

The 1951 Convention and/or its 1967 Protocol Relating to the Status of Refugees also does not apply to those refugees who benefit from the protection or assistance of a United Nations Agency other than Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees, such as refugees from Palestine who fall under the auspices of the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA). Nor does the Convention apply to those refugees who have a status equivalent to nationals in their country of asylum. If the Palestinians followed the geeneral customary law pertaining to refugees, there would probably be very few. Why? (Rhetorical)

I don't know exactly how many remain, but the 1948 War will be some seven decades old this May. The current life expectancy is less than 75 years. In five more years, we should not see very many Palestinians that have UNRWA Status (persons whose normal place of residence was Palestine during the period 1 June 1946 to 15 May 1948, and who lost both home and means of livelihood as a result of the 1948 conflict) that have lived through the events. In ten years, virtually none.

• Life expectancy at birth:

• total population: 74.2 years
  • male: 72.5 years
  • female: 75.9 years (2017 est.)

• Age structure:

• 0-14 years: 44.78% (male 412,644/female 391,275)
• 15-24 years: 21.25% (male 192,292/female 189,166)
• 25-54 years: 28.02% (male 246,518/female 256,543)
• 55-64 years: 3.4% (male 31,961/female 29,119)
• 65 years and over: 2.54% (male 23,729/female 21,936) (2017 est.)

It is, in a way, the ability to have an endless supply of refugees as a need to maintain the UNRWA Workforce (job security).

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

and owing to well founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political opinion, is outside the country of his nationality and is unable or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to avail himself of the protection of that country;

Children of Palestinians are Palestinians. They are outside the country of their nationality.