Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2

[admonit]

I don't know exactly how many remain, but the 1948 War will be some seven decades old this May.

Actually there are some estimates:
'However it is currently a matter of dispute whether Resolution 194 referred only to the estimated 50,000 remaining Palestine refugees from the 1948 Palestine War, or additionally to their UNRWA-registered 4,950,000 descendants'
Palestinian refugees - Wikipedia

 

[ForeverYoung436]

I don't know exactly how many remain, but the 1948 War will be some seven decades old this May.

Actually there are some estimates:
'However it is currently a matter of dispute whether Resolution 194 referred only to the estimated 50,000 remaining Palestine refugees from the 1948 Palestine War, or additionally to their UNRWA-registered 4,950,000 descendants'
Palestinian refugees - Wikipedia

It is only the 50,000 remaining refugees. My grandparents were also driven out of Poland, yet I never considered myself to be a refugee.

 

[Sixties Fan]

This song telling Muslims and Christians to “redeem” Jerusalem is but one example of the anti-Semitism rampant in Palestinian society under the leadership of the PA.

(full article/video online)

WATCH: Palestinian Authority Radio Encourages ‘Martyrdom’

 

[Sixties Fan]

Two Israeli-trained Palestinian Arab doctors travel from Jerusalem to Gaza every two months to perform eye operations on local Gazans;

(full article online)

http://www.cogat.mod.gov.il/en/Our_Activities/Pages/Gaza-Corneal-Transplants-15.11.17.aspx

 

[Sixties Fan]

Around 70,000 Palestinians cross into Israel every day through different crossings throughout Judea and Samaria in order to work in Israel in various fields such as construction, industry, agriculture and trade. Many Palestinian workers leave early in the morning to the crossings, go through security checks, which can take time due to the number of workers and other factors, and then continue to their workplace. In order to improve and ease the crossing process the Civil Administration of Judea and Samaria has begun, in the past few months, to implement a new method at the Qalandia crossing for rapid security inspections using fingerprint scanners and tablets. This initiative was started by the officers of the Jerusalem Periphery District Coordination and Liaison and officers from the Civil Administration at Qalandia crossing are supervising the new method. Palestinian workers who have tried out this new system have expressed their satisfaction and its significant reduction of time in their commute.

(full article online)

http://www.cogat.mod.gov.il/en/Our_...the-Life-of-a-Palestinian-Worker-10.5.17.aspx

 

[Sixties Fan]

Around 240 Palestinian farmers and businessmen came to Tel Aviv this year for the Fresh Agro-Mashov exhibition. At the exhibition, they met with their Israeli-business counterparts, created business relations and became familiar with the latest innovations in agriculture.

(full article online)

http://www.cogat.mod.gov.il/en/Our_Activities/Pages/AgricultureConference_11.7.17.aspx

 

[P F Tinmore]

Around 240 Palestinian farmers and businessmen came to Tel Aviv this year for the Fresh Agro-Mashov exhibition. At the exhibition, they met with their Israeli-business counterparts, created business relations and became familiar with the latest innovations in agriculture.

(full article online)

http://www.cogat.mod.gov.il/en/Our_Activities/Pages/AgricultureConference_11.7.17.aspx

What good is that after Israel stole most of their farm land.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Around 240 Palestinian farmers and businessmen came to Tel Aviv this year for the Fresh Agro-Mashov exhibition. At the exhibition, they met with their Israeli-business counterparts, created business relations and became familiar with the latest innovations in agriculture.

(full article online)

http://www.cogat.mod.gov.il/en/Our_Activities/Pages/AgricultureConference_11.7.17.aspx

What good is that after Israel stole most of their farm land.

Why don't you go over there and tell them to their faces that Israel "stole" their land?

Have guts, do some travel !!
No????

Israel could not have stolen anything which did not belong to the poor ancestors of these Arabs. The land belonged to very few who sold it to Jews and non Jews LEGALLY.

And as we have seen, Egypt stole Gaza and Jordan stole Judea and Samaria in 1948.

Why did neither Egypt, nor Jordan give the land to the Arabs living on it? Why did they never help them in any way for 19 years?

Keep crying about Jews being sovereign over part of their ancient homeland and being successful at it, as they have always been.

Sniff

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
※→ Sixties Fan, et al,

You are talking in circles.

Listen carefully:

√ There are NO (absolutely NONE) children (Palestinians under the age of 21 years old) that were either refugees from the 1946-1948 Civil War • or the • 1948-1949 Israeli War of Independence • or • the 1967 Six-Day War • or finally • the Sneak Attack of 1973 Yom Kipper War.

and owing to well founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political opinion, is outside the country of his nationality and is unable or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to avail himself of the protection of that country;

Children of Palestinians are Palestinians. They are outside the country of their nationality.

(COMMENT)

The last Armistice was signed in July 1949; with Syria... In order for anyone to hav been displaced prior to that, they would have to be over 68 Years old; over 50 years old to have been displaced from the 1967 War and 45 for the Yom Kipper War. There are no children in those age ranges.

No Arab Palestinian was, as a result of any outcome associated with any of these conflicts were forcibly displaced into any of the surrounding Arab League Nations (bordering or adjacent to) the territory formerly under the Mandate for Palestine; especially those claiming to be displaced in the West Bank and Gaza Strip.

You'll have to clarify or amend your statement in order to make it clear.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

Around 240 Palestinian farmers and businessmen came to Tel Aviv this year for the Fresh Agro-Mashov exhibition. At the exhibition, they met with their Israeli-business counterparts, created business relations and became familiar with the latest innovations in agriculture.

(full article online)

http://www.cogat.mod.gov.il/en/Our_Activities/Pages/AgricultureConference_11.7.17.aspx

Israel trying to destroy Palestinian agriculture.

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
※→ Sixties Fan, et al,

You are talking in circles.

Listen carefully:

√ There are NO (absolutely NONE) children (Palestinians under the age of 21 years old) that were either refugees from the 1946-1948 Civil War • or the • 1948-1949 Israeli War of Independence • or • the 1967 Six-Day War • or finally • the Sneak Attack of 1973 Yom Kipper War.

and owing to well founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political opinion, is outside the country of his nationality and is unable or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to avail himself of the protection of that country;

Children of Palestinians are Palestinians. They are outside the country of their nationality.

(COMMENT)

The last Armistice was signed in July 1949; with Syria... In order for anyone to hav been displaced prior to that, they would have to be over 68 Years old; over 50 years old to have been displaced from the 1967 War and 45 for the Yom Kipper War. There are no children in those age ranges.

No Arab Palestinian was, as a result of any outcome associated with any of these conflicts were forcibly displaced into any of the surrounding Arab League Nations (bordering or adjacent to) the territory formerly under the Mandate for Palestine; especially those claiming to be displaced in the West Bank and Gaza Strip.

You'll have to clarify or amend your statement in order to make it clear.

Most Respectfully,
R

the territory formerly under the Mandate for Palestine;

You have a clunker in all of your posts. The Mandate had no territory.

 

[Sixties Fan]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
※→ Sixties Fan, et al,

You are talking in circles.

Listen carefully:

√ There are NO (absolutely NONE) children (Palestinians under the age of 21 years old) that were either refugees from the 1946-1948 Civil War • or the • 1948-1949 Israeli War of Independence • or • the 1967 Six-Day War • or finally • the Sneak Attack of 1973 Yom Kipper War.

and owing to well founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political opinion, is outside the country of his nationality and is unable or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to avail himself of the protection of that country;

Children of Palestinians are Palestinians. They are outside the country of their nationality.

(COMMENT)

The last Armistice was signed in July 1949; with Syria... In order for anyone to hav been displaced prior to that, they would have to be over 68 Years old; over 50 years old to have been displaced from the 1967 War and 45 for the Yom Kipper War. There are no children in those age ranges.

No Arab Palestinian was, as a result of any outcome associated with any of these conflicts were forcibly displaced into any of the surrounding Arab League Nations (bordering or adjacent to) the territory formerly under the Mandate for Palestine; especially those claiming to be displaced in the West Bank and Gaza Strip.

You'll have to clarify or amend your statement in order to make it clear.

Most Respectfully,
R

the territory formerly under the Mandate for Palestine;

You have a clunker in all of your posts. The Mandate had no territory.

Where do you read or hear things like that, Tinmore?

The allies won the war, it was up to them to do with the Ottoman Empire conquered lands as they pleased, and so they did.

And you have no problem with Lebanon, Syria or the Iraq Mandates.
There were 4 Mandates.

It is acceptable only if you are going to accept what happened to all of the Mandates. The same has been done after every war.
Losers lose. Winners win.

And you lose.

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
※→ Sixties Fan, et al,

You are talking in circles.

Listen carefully:

√ There are NO (absolutely NONE) children (Palestinians under the age of 21 years old) that were either refugees from the 1946-1948 Civil War • or the • 1948-1949 Israeli War of Independence • or • the 1967 Six-Day War • or finally • the Sneak Attack of 1973 Yom Kipper War.

and owing to well founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political opinion, is outside the country of his nationality and is unable or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to avail himself of the protection of that country;

Children of Palestinians are Palestinians. They are outside the country of their nationality.

(COMMENT)

The last Armistice was signed in July 1949; with Syria... In order for anyone to hav been displaced prior to that, they would have to be over 68 Years old; over 50 years old to have been displaced from the 1967 War and 45 for the Yom Kipper War. There are no children in those age ranges.

No Arab Palestinian was, as a result of any outcome associated with any of these conflicts were forcibly displaced into any of the surrounding Arab League Nations (bordering or adjacent to) the territory formerly under the Mandate for Palestine; especially those claiming to be displaced in the West Bank and Gaza Strip.

You'll have to clarify or amend your statement in order to make it clear.

Most Respectfully,
R

the territory formerly under the Mandate for Palestine;

You have a clunker in all of your posts. The Mandate had no territory.

Where do you read or hear things like that, Tinmore?

The allies won the war, it was up to them to do with the Ottoman Empire conquered lands as they pleased, and so they did.

And you have no problem with Lebanon, Syria or the Iraq Mandates.
There were 4 Mandates.

It is acceptable if you are accept about all of the Mandates, although who knows why. The same has been done after every war.
Losers lose. Winners win.

And you lose.

And you have no problem with Lebanon, Syria or the Iraq Mandates.
There were 4 Mandates.

And none of them annexed any territory.

 

[Sixties Fan]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
※→ Sixties Fan, et al,

You are talking in circles.

Listen carefully:

√ There are NO (absolutely NONE) children (Palestinians under the age of 21 years old) that were either refugees from the 1946-1948 Civil War • or the • 1948-1949 Israeli War of Independence • or • the 1967 Six-Day War • or finally • the Sneak Attack of 1973 Yom Kipper War.

and owing to well founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political opinion, is outside the country of his nationality and is unable or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to avail himself of the protection of that country;

Children of Palestinians are Palestinians. They are outside the country of their nationality.

(COMMENT)

The last Armistice was signed in July 1949; with Syria... In order for anyone to hav been displaced prior to that, they would have to be over 68 Years old; over 50 years old to have been displaced from the 1967 War and 45 for the Yom Kipper War. There are no children in those age ranges.

No Arab Palestinian was, as a result of any outcome associated with any of these conflicts were forcibly displaced into any of the surrounding Arab League Nations (bordering or adjacent to) the territory formerly under the Mandate for Palestine; especially those claiming to be displaced in the West Bank and Gaza Strip.

You'll have to clarify or amend your statement in order to make it clear.

Most Respectfully,
R

the territory formerly under the Mandate for Palestine;

You have a clunker in all of your posts. The Mandate had no territory.

Where do you read or hear things like that, Tinmore?

The allies won the war, it was up to them to do with the Ottoman Empire conquered lands as they pleased, and so they did.

And you have no problem with Lebanon, Syria or the Iraq Mandates.
There were 4 Mandates.

It is acceptable if you are accept about all of the Mandates, although who knows why. The same has been done after every war.
Losers lose. Winners win.

And you lose.

And you have no problem with Lebanon, Syria or the Iraq Mandates.
There were 4 Mandates.

And none of then annexed any territory.

That sentence shows how out of touch you are.
But then, when are you not out of touch with reality?

 

[ForeverYoung436]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
※→ Sixties Fan, et al,

You are talking in circles.

Listen carefully:

√ There are NO (absolutely NONE) children (Palestinians under the age of 21 years old) that were either refugees from the 1946-1948 Civil War • or the • 1948-1949 Israeli War of Independence • or • the 1967 Six-Day War • or finally • the Sneak Attack of 1973 Yom Kipper War.

Children of Palestinians are Palestinians. They are outside the country of their nationality.

(COMMENT)

The last Armistice was signed in July 1949; with Syria... In order for anyone to hav been displaced prior to that, they would have to be over 68 Years old; over 50 years old to have been displaced from the 1967 War and 45 for the Yom Kipper War. There are no children in those age ranges.

No Arab Palestinian was, as a result of any outcome associated with any of these conflicts were forcibly displaced into any of the surrounding Arab League Nations (bordering or adjacent to) the territory formerly under the Mandate for Palestine; especially those claiming to be displaced in the West Bank and Gaza Strip.

You'll have to clarify or amend your statement in order to make it clear.

Most Respectfully,
R

the territory formerly under the Mandate for Palestine;

You have a clunker in all of your posts. The Mandate had no territory.

Where do you read or hear things like that, Tinmore?

The allies won the war, it was up to them to do with the Ottoman Empire conquered lands as they pleased, and so they did.

And you have no problem with Lebanon, Syria or the Iraq Mandates.
There were 4 Mandates.

It is acceptable if you are accept about all of the Mandates, although who knows why. The same has been done after every war.
Losers lose. Winners win.

And you lose.

And you have no problem with Lebanon, Syria or the Iraq Mandates.
There were 4 Mandates.

And none of then annexed any territory.

That sentence shows how out of touch you are.
But then, when are you not out of touch with reality?

Indeed, I always thought Tinmore is wasting his time here. He should be teaching a class in Abstract Philosophy instead. He has said that he taught before in Vietnam, when he hypocritically joined in the illegal invasion of that country.

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
※→ Sixties Fan, et al,

You are talking in circles.

Listen carefully:

√ There are NO (absolutely NONE) children (Palestinians under the age of 21 years old) that were either refugees from the 1946-1948 Civil War • or the • 1948-1949 Israeli War of Independence • or • the 1967 Six-Day War • or finally • the Sneak Attack of 1973 Yom Kipper War.

Children of Palestinians are Palestinians. They are outside the country of their nationality.

(COMMENT)

The last Armistice was signed in July 1949; with Syria... In order for anyone to hav been displaced prior to that, they would have to be over 68 Years old; over 50 years old to have been displaced from the 1967 War and 45 for the Yom Kipper War. There are no children in those age ranges.

No Arab Palestinian was, as a result of any outcome associated with any of these conflicts were forcibly displaced into any of the surrounding Arab League Nations (bordering or adjacent to) the territory formerly under the Mandate for Palestine; especially those claiming to be displaced in the West Bank and Gaza Strip.

You'll have to clarify or amend your statement in order to make it clear.

Most Respectfully,
R

the territory formerly under the Mandate for Palestine;

You have a clunker in all of your posts. The Mandate had no territory.

Where do you read or hear things like that, Tinmore?

The allies won the war, it was up to them to do with the Ottoman Empire conquered lands as they pleased, and so they did.

And you have no problem with Lebanon, Syria or the Iraq Mandates.
There were 4 Mandates.

It is acceptable if you are accept about all of the Mandates, although who knows why. The same has been done after every war.
Losers lose. Winners win.

And you lose.

And you have no problem with Lebanon, Syria or the Iraq Mandates.
There were 4 Mandates.

And none of then annexed any territory.

That sentence shows how out of touch you are.
But then, when are you not out of touch with reality?

Look it up.

 

[Sixties Fan]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
※→ Sixties Fan, et al,

You are talking in circles.

Listen carefully:

√ There are NO (absolutely NONE) children (Palestinians under the age of 21 years old) that were either refugees from the 1946-1948 Civil War • or the • 1948-1949 Israeli War of Independence • or • the 1967 Six-Day War • or finally • the Sneak Attack of 1973 Yom Kipper War.

(COMMENT)

The last Armistice was signed in July 1949; with Syria... In order for anyone to hav been displaced prior to that, they would have to be over 68 Years old; over 50 years old to have been displaced from the 1967 War and 45 for the Yom Kipper War. There are no children in those age ranges.

No Arab Palestinian was, as a result of any outcome associated with any of these conflicts were forcibly displaced into any of the surrounding Arab League Nations (bordering or adjacent to) the territory formerly under the Mandate for Palestine; especially those claiming to be displaced in the West Bank and Gaza Strip.

You'll have to clarify or amend your statement in order to make it clear.

Most Respectfully,
R

the territory formerly under the Mandate for Palestine;

You have a clunker in all of your posts. The Mandate had no territory.

Where do you read or hear things like that, Tinmore?

The allies won the war, it was up to them to do with the Ottoman Empire conquered lands as they pleased, and so they did.

And you have no problem with Lebanon, Syria or the Iraq Mandates.
There were 4 Mandates.

It is acceptable if you are accept about all of the Mandates, although who knows why. The same has been done after every war.
Losers lose. Winners win.

And you lose.

And you have no problem with Lebanon, Syria or the Iraq Mandates.
There were 4 Mandates.

And none of then annexed any territory.

That sentence shows how out of touch you are.
But then, when are you not out of touch with reality?

Look it up.

Sure, lets see what you sources are:

Mondoweiss
Veterans Today
Al Jazeera
Palestinian Authority

May I remind you that the Government of Iraq attacked and killed many Kurds and Shia in Iraq....for their territory

And Sadam also invaded Kuwait, for territory.

So, you are worrying over a legal event which happened after the Allies won WWI, but it does not bother you that Iraq invades others for territories, or other countries for territories. The same thing with Saudi Arabia, Yemen, etc....

It is only the indigenous Jews of Judea that you have issues with about their sovereignty over less than 20% of their original land.

A Jew Hater is a Jew hater, it does not matter where they live.

 

[P F Tinmore]

You have a clunker in all of your posts. The Mandate had no territory.

Where do you read or hear things like that, Tinmore?

The allies won the war, it was up to them to do with the Ottoman Empire conquered lands as they pleased, and so they did.

And you have no problem with Lebanon, Syria or the Iraq Mandates.
There were 4 Mandates.

It is acceptable if you are accept about all of the Mandates, although who knows why. The same has been done after every war.
Losers lose. Winners win.

And you lose.

And you have no problem with Lebanon, Syria or the Iraq Mandates.
There were 4 Mandates.

And none of then annexed any territory.

That sentence shows how out of touch you are.
But then, when are you not out of touch with reality?

Look it up.

Sure, lets see what you sources are:

Mondoweiss
Veterans Today
Al Jazeera
Palestinian Authority

May I remind you that the Government of Iraq attacked and killed many Kurds and Shia in Iraq....for their territory

And Sadam also invaded Kuwait, for territory.

So, you are worrying over a legal event which happened after the Allies won WWI, but it does not bother you that Iraq invades others for territories, or other countries for territories. The same thing with Saudi Arabia, Yemen, etc....

It is only the indigenous Jews of Judea that you have issues with about their sovereignty over less than 20% of their original land.

A Jew Hater is a Jew hater, it does not matter where they live.

Nice deflection. The Mandates never annexed any territory.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Where do you read or hear things like that, Tinmore?

The allies won the war, it was up to them to do with the Ottoman Empire conquered lands as they pleased, and so they did.

And you have no problem with Lebanon, Syria or the Iraq Mandates.
There were 4 Mandates.

It is acceptable if you are accept about all of the Mandates, although who knows why. The same has been done after every war.
Losers lose. Winners win.

And you lose.

And you have no problem with Lebanon, Syria or the Iraq Mandates.
There were 4 Mandates.

And none of then annexed any territory.

That sentence shows how out of touch you are.
But then, when are you not out of touch with reality?

Look it up.

Sure, lets see what you sources are:

Mondoweiss
Veterans Today
Al Jazeera
Palestinian Authority

May I remind you that the Government of Iraq attacked and killed many Kurds and Shia in Iraq....for their territory

And Sadam also invaded Kuwait, for territory.

So, you are worrying over a legal event which happened after the Allies won WWI, but it does not bother you that Iraq invades others for territories, or other countries for territories. The same thing with Saudi Arabia, Yemen, etc....

It is only the indigenous Jews of Judea that you have issues with about their sovereignty over less than 20% of their original land.

A Jew Hater is a Jew hater, it does not matter where they live.

Nice deflection. The Mandates never annexed any territory.

You are an ignoramus about the Mandates so you truly have no say about them, period

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
※→ Sixties Fan, et al

I'll help you read.

I did not say the Mandate had territory. But there was definite territory to which the Mandate Applied, and was under the jurisdiction established by the Mandate.

What I wrote is not flawed. You point is merely subterfuge to redirect the primary focus of the post.

the territory formerly under the Mandate for Palestine;

You have a clunker in all of your posts. The Mandate had no territory.

PART I.

PRELIMINARY.
Title. → 1. This Order may be cited as "The Palestine Order in Council, 1922."

• The limits of this Order are the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies, hereinafter described as Palestine.

(REFERENCE)

• "Palestine is a territory administered under mandate by His Majesty (in respect of the United Kingdom)" •
• "establishment of the British mandate over Trans-Jordan," • "proper application in Trans-Jordan of all the provisions of the Palestine mandate"

Sir John CHANCELLOR said that the settlement had been effected before his arrival in Palestine and he was therefore unable to say whether it had been inspired by Article 6. The regulations were, however, certainly in conformity with that article. Progress was being made with the transfer of certain Arab lands to the Jews.
​

• "in their capacity of Mandatory Powers over the countries formerly belonging to the Ottoman Empire"
• "BOUNDARIES AS ESTABLISHED BEFORE THE TERMINATION OF THE BRITISH MANDATE" APG Cablegram •​

(COMMENT)

Just as a point of order, I very (very) often use my own words to paraphrase a fact in evidence. It saves me time. And while it is not impossible for me to be in error (and I will admit acknowledge so) of material facts for which I will apologize. The very first example (referenced supra) comes from Memorandum "A" - Legal Meaning of the Termination of the Mandate." (25 Februarury 1948)

Each Mandate applied to a specific territory. In the case of the Mandate for Palestine, the Allied Powers Powers granted the administration of the territory of Palestine, which formerly belonged to the Turkish Empire, within such boundaries as may be fixed by them. On completion of the survey that final boundaries for which the Mandate was applied were:

Palestine lies on the western edge of the continent of Asia between latitude 30° N. and 33° N., Longitude 34° 30 E. and 35° 30' E.

On the south it is bounded by Egyptian and Saudi Arabian territory, on the east by Trans-Jordan, on the north by the French Mandated Territories of Syria and the Lebanon, and on the west by the Mediterranean.

The boundaries are described as follows:--

• South.--From a point west of Rafa on the Mediterranean to a point two miles west of Aqaba in the Gulf of Aqaba.
  
  East.--From a point two miles west of Aqaba in the Gulf of Aqaba up the centre of the Wadi Araba, the Dead Sea, and the River Jordan, to the junction of the latter with the River Yarmuk, thence up the centre of the River Yarmuk to the Syrian frontier.
  
  North.--The northern boundary was laid down by the Anglo-French Convention of the 23rd December, 1920, and its delimitation was ratified in 1923. Stated briefly, the boundary runs from Ras el Naqura on the Mediterranean eastwards to Metulla and across the upper Jordan valley to Banias, thence to Jisr Banat Yaqub, thence along the Jordan to the Lake of Tiberias on to El Hamme station on the Samakh-Deraa railway line.
  
  West.--The Mediterranean Sea.

I find your point to be frivolous and misleading; as if it had some significant bearing on the point of discussion.

Most Respectfully,
R