Who will be better at getting America out of debt, Trump or Hillary?

US debt is $19 trillion, the largest in the world for a single country - we owe a ton of money to other nations

Who is better suited to getting our nation out of debt, or at least lower the amount substantially?
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Milton Friedman - Reagan's economic guru, and widely credited as being the greatest economist on the Right - said that the best possible political arrangement for curbing spending and reducing the deficit is when we have a Democratic President and a Republican congress. He said that one party rule, either by Democrats or Republicans is categorically a nightmare. Bush 43 didn't veto one piece of Republican Pork whe He said that when there is a Republican President and Democratic congress, the Democrats never try to discipline the Republican president. This is why Reagan and Tip spent 3x what Carter and Tip spent. However, when you pair a Democratic President with a Republican congress, the congress goes to war against the president and prevents spending in order to destroy him so they can re-take power. They refuse to pass even Republican spending for things like defense because they've created a culture where their candidates will be 'primaried' if their name appears on any legislation signed by a Democratic President, even if that legislation is built around Republican initiatives. The whole point of a Republican congress paired with a Democratic president is to starve the beast and prevent all government action.
I strongly agree that the worst possible situation is either party with control of both congress and the presidency. Such situations only lead to unabated payoffs to political donors. That goes for both parties.

Normally I would back others on this thread in that I would prefer the reps to control congress even if it meant giving up the presidency. Unfortunately I believe the power of the executive branch is getting out of control with the expanded influence of the bureaucracy which is overly leaning left. As far as I am concerned the most destructive force on the planet is an entrenched bureaucracy. You can't vote them out and even with a change in congress or the presidency they are so overly entrenched that only drastic measures are capable of any change.
agreed good presentation
 
Republicans cause 5 times more Job Killing Recessions!!!

A paper written by two Princeton University economists, Alan Blinder and Mark Watson.

The paper, published in July 2014, found that the economy tends to do better under Democratic presidents by numerous measures. The authors looked at quarterly economic data from 1947 through mid 2013 and the National Bureau of Economic Research’s official list of recessions.

Since 1947, there have been 11 official recessions, totaling 49 recessionary quarters. Of those 49 quarters, just eight occurred under Democratic presidents, compared to 41 under Republicans. So, over the past 65 years, quarters in recession were about five times more common under a Republican president than under a Democratic president.

Looking at how many recessions started under Republicans, the difference is even more stark, noted Blinder, the co-author. Of the 11 recessions since 1947, nine under Republicans, compared to just two under Democrats.

Every Republican President in History Caused Recessions or Depressions

Clinton Created More Jobs than Reagan + Bush1 + Bush2 COMBINED!
The retard post again about nothing


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There is a very good chance that Toyota was made here. We make a lot of cars here. If it becomes more expensive to import raw materials that may not be the case in the future.

Yes, that's true, but these are not UAW plants.

Toyota puts their money into quality parts and engineering instead of big union money and benefits, so they can make a much better car.

One of the first things I noticed when I purchased my first Toyota was the windshield wiper squirters. In American cars, they run a cheap rubber line to the outside of the windshield wiper arm to squirt the cleaner. That works okay in the summer, but up north during the winter time, those things always freeze up. Then you have to go into the house, get some hot water, pour it on the squirter and rubber line, and quickly run into the car to activate the washer fluid.

In Toyota's, the squirter is inside of the hood of the car. So even if the fluid would freeze, it would only be for a couple of minutes until the heat from the engine thawed out the squirter. To be totally honest, I haven't had a windshield washer fluid freeze up since I started driving Toyota's.

And if it becomes more expensive for Toyota to produce cars here due to tariffs they will move production to another country. I don't see what UAW has to do with it. We are talking about Trump tariffs and how they would kill our manufacturing.

There is truth behind government regulations killing jobs here in the United States. Every new regulation, and Obama has over 20,000 which surpasses George W Bush has allowed in 8 years, costs companies millions to allow them to continue operating in the United States. That is of course if Obama doesn't pass even more federal regulation standards for them to meet. You can give us the sappy story that regulations provides clean air, but over 20,0000 in 7 years? Yet so many liberals are scratching their heads and blaming republicans for sending all our jobs overseas, others don't really care as they have another agenda that's more important than providing jobs in the United States. Look at the impact of how regulations are effecting the economy.

The 600 major regulations have cost the economy at least $743 billion, or $2,294 for every person in the United States. The figure is “larger than the Gross Domestic Product (GDP) of Norway and Israel combined.”

Record 600 Major Regulations Imposed Under Obama


Ever wonder why Democrats are unable to (or can't) go into specifics on HOW they plan to encourage companies and manufacturing to choose the United States as the country they are willing to establish themselves in, as opposed to taking those job opportunities elsewhere? Standing on a podium encouraging more education soending sounds great, until the time comes when you have to face the job market. Not only are you costing America jobs, you are also losing corporate revenue with each manufacturing plant that closes its doors and leaves the country. How much do you think the rich will endure those democrats rhetoric and effort to raise taxes to make up that corporate loss?
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Milton Friedman - Reagan's economic guru, and widely credited as being the greatest economist on the Right - said that the best possible political arrangement for curbing spending and reducing the deficit is when we have a Democratic President and a Republican congress. He said that one party rule, either by Democrats or Republicans is categorically a nightmare. Bush 43 didn't veto one piece of Republican Pork whe He said that when there is a Republican President and Democratic congress, the Democrats never try to discipline the Republican president. This is why Reagan and Tip spent 3x what Carter and Tip spent. However, when you pair a Democratic President with a Republican congress, the congress goes to war against the president and prevents spending in order to destroy him so they can re-take power. They refuse to pass even Republican spending for things like defense because they've created a culture where their candidates will be 'primaried' if their name appears on any legislation signed by a Democratic President, even if that legislation is built around Republican initiatives. The whole point of a Republican congress paired with a Democratic president is to starve the beast and prevent all government action.
agreed
 
US debt is $19 trillion, the largest in the world for a single country - we owe a ton of money to other nations

Who is better suited to getting our nation out of debt, or at least lower the amount substantially?
US_Public_Debt_Ceiling_1981-2010.png
None of the above. There is no way the US will be out of debt ever again. They make too much money off the debt and its a partisian issue the idiots can argue over. You can bet Drumpf would increase the debt.

Raise minimum wage.
good idea
 
ROFLMAO... Do tell...what products are made in America anymore,
products used or needed, on a regular basis?
NONE!

Shit, I have to look at food items, candy especially, now.
Even food items from China are saturating the marketplace!

Enjoy your posts!

Thank you very much, but your point is spot on: where do we actually find American made products to buy?

Nowhere. Why? Because foreign competition makes vendors carrying American made products a loss.

You want to buy a big screen so you use your Sam's Club card to get the best deal. There's the phrase: best deal.

American made products don't offer the best deal. However, if there were a tariff on foreign made products, you might be able to get the best deal by buying an American made product.

Don't get me wrong, it's not that I'm supporting Trump's idea of tariffs, but it can't be ruled out that it would have some benefits to help offset the loss.
The King of Debt getting America out of debt. Mr. Bankruptcy himself.

And his minions actually believe him. Hilarious!

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ROFLMAO... Do tell...what products are made in America anymore,
products used or needed, on a regular basis?
NONE!

Shit, I have to look at food items, candy especially, now.
Even food items from China are saturating the marketplace!

Enjoy your posts!

Thank you very much, but your point is spot on: where do we actually find American made products to buy?

Nowhere. Why? Because foreign competition makes vendors carrying American made products a loss.

You want to buy a big screen so you use your Sam's Club card to get the best deal. There's the phrase: best deal.

American made products don't offer the best deal. However, if there were a tariff on foreign made products, you might be able to get the best deal by buying an American made product.

Don't get me wrong, it's not that I'm supporting Trump's idea of tariffs, but it can't be ruled out that it would have some benefits to help offset the loss.
The King of Debt getting America out of debt. Mr. Bankruptcy himself.

And his minions actually believe him. Hilarious!

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king of successful businesses
 
This has to be the dumbest post of the year. How many bankers and CEO's did the Obama Justice Dept put in jail after the housing bust? That would be ZERO! And if you think the millions of dollars the bankers and Wall Street firms give to Hillary aren't meant to buy protection, you are stupid.

You know how it works you sly dog. When you are in front of your capitalist donors, you say Obama is anti-capitalist. You scare bankers and credit card companies by saying Obama is going to over-regulate them. Then, when you are in front of the poor working class, you say Obama is in bed with wealthy capitalist bankers.

You play both sides, just like with illegal immigration and trade. When you are in front of your wealthy capitalists, you promise to help them acquire cheap labor, like when Nixon opened trade with China, laying the foundation for the global shift of capitalist production to [wait for it] Communist China, or when Reagan & Bush 41 drew up the blueprints for the North American Super Highway or when the Bush/Paulson TARP bailed out the most corrupt Wall Street crooks we've ever seen. But then, when you are speaking to poor, uneducated nativists in red America, you talk about how the illegals and globalists (employed by your capitalists donors) took their jobs. It's a hilarious shell game. It's why Trump makes his ties in Mexico, but then convinces poor workers that he is on their side.

Yes, the Left is 100% complicit because we know it's really a one party system, but this doesn't excuse you for trying to play both sides of every issue, depending on which block of the electorate you are speaking with.

Same thing happened with Carter. One day your side claimed he was a weak ineffectual blow-hole who couldn't get anything done; the next day he was Stalin, who ruled the nation with brutal criminal efficiency, making massive changes that could never be undone. The only constant is that you change your story depending on who you are trying to fool.

Reagan passed the single largest Amnesty Bill in this nation's history. By flooding the Southwest with cheap labor, it had the quiet benefit of weakening Union control of big agro, construction and food service - it gave corporations cheap labor and fulfilled the Libertarian dream of a borderless world where there are no barriers between capital and resources. [Remember: Reagan offered himself as the bridge between Libertarian economics (which sees borders as legal/cultural/linguistics impediments to the flow of capital) and conservative social traditions (which sees borders, language and laws as sacrosanct and more important than economic efficiency]

But it gets better because ol' Ronny played both sides of the immigration issue. That is to say, by flooding the US with illegals, Reagan's Conservative advocacy groups were given grist for the war cry "Borders, Language, Culture". You might ask how conservative voters fall for this bullshit? It's called Fox News, and they don't speak about Reagan's deficit compared to Carter; and they don't speak about Reagan's Amnesty Bill, and they don't speak about the number of times Bush 43 and the GOP House/Senate raised the debt ceiling. They can play every side of every issue because they condition people not to trust any media source which they don't control - which means folks like you never learn about the shell game.

This is the Act that Reagan signed into law that was passed by a Democrat controlled House and a Republican controlled Senate.

The Immigration Reform and Control Act (IRCA), Pub.L. 99–603, 100 Stat. 3445, enacted November 6, 1986, also known as the Simpson–Mazzoli Act, signed into law by Ronald Reagan on November 6, 1986, is an Act of Congress which reformed United States immigration law. The Act

  • required employers to attest to their employees' immigration status;
  • made it illegal to hire or recruit illegal immigrants knowingly;
  • legalized certain seasonal agricultural illegal immigrants, and;
  • legalized illegal immigrants who entered the United States before January 1, 1982 and had resided there continuously with the penalty of a fine, back taxes due, and admission of guilt; candidates were required to prove that they were not guilty of crimes, that they were in the country before January 1, 1982, and that they possessed minimal knowledge about U.S. history, government, and the English language.
I will excuse your basic misunderstanding of the American system when you state "Reagan passed the single largest Amnesty Bill in this nation's history" Reagan didn't pass anything, the Congress did.

Obama pretends there is no Congress and signs Executive Orders to make immigration law, and they are slowly being declared unconstitutional by the Supreme Court.

I have never called Carter anything but an incompetent President. The sacking of the US Embassy and the taking of American hostages indicated others considered him weak and ineffectual, and they were right.

The Bush TARP was a bailout, and in case you missed it, Obama was the beneficiary of TARP and did not prosecute a single banker or CEO that was responsible for the housing bust.

I could go on, but why bother.
very good
 
The King of Debt getting America out of debt. Mr. Bankruptcy himself.

And his minions actually believe him. Hilarious!

Yeah, well Americans are gullible like that. You know, if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. I'm going to save your family over $2,500 a year in health insurance costs. A home made video caused Benghazi. My hard drive crashed so I took it out and destroyed it.

I sure wish I could be Mr. Bankruptcy and be worth billions.
 

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