Whom do you believe....Mueller or Barr???

[Intolerant]

 

[nat4900]

He read the report and summarized the final findings.

....then Barr must have failed 7th grade English......(as most right wingers...)

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Of course, Trump should be taken out of the equation as to who one should believe.......Trump's infamy for lying is beyond debate......

But, we are faced with the "choice" of who should be believed from a legal standpoint...that is, AG Barr, or investigating prosecutor, Mueller.........

From yesterday's brief monologue by Mueller, it is crystal CLEAR that these two republican lawyers are NOT on the same page.

Of course our biases come quickly into play when making the choice as who of these two should be believed.

So, we are left with the needed expose' that BOTH these folks need to openly testify before a House committee and.....

Either verbally repeat what was written in the report ....which is what Mueller will have to do......OR

Explain verbally how what is written in Mueller's report could EVER be "summarized" and "interpreted" as Barr did....which is also what Barr will have to do.

There is NO DOUBT......NONE...... that Mueller's ultimate intent is for Congress to settle the issue of "obstruction of justice" as the Article One responsibility of Congress.

For me it's simple. Mueller did the investigating and wrote the report. His report came first. Barr "summarized" it in a way that was politically advantageous for the president but not accurate to Mueller's actual findings.
As Mueller's boss, he could and should have asked Mueller to clarify. Even possibly asking Mueller to amend his report to include a conclusion on criminality. He did not.

Barr dishonored himself, the DOJ and the USA.

Barr isn't paid to read Mueller's mind.
He read the report and summarized the final findings.
You leftists are reading into it what you want....like you do with everything.

Barr isn't paid to read Mueller's mind.

You're right. He should have had Mueller clarify his findings.

 

[nat4900]

The special counsel did its job, which was to investigate links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of Donald Trump. It apparently found none.

It's over. Move on.

if THAT is what you "comprehended" from this whole issue......find someone to help you with directions on how to open a can of soda

 

[Nosmo King]

Of course, Trump should be taken out of the equation as to who one should believe.......Trump's infamy for lying is beyond debate......

But, we are faced with the "choice" of who should be believed from a legal standpoint...that is, AG Barr, or investigating prosecutor, Mueller.........

From yesterday's brief monologue by Mueller, it is crystal CLEAR that these two republican lawyers are NOT on the same page.

Of course our biases come quickly into play when making the choice as who of these two should be believed.

So, we are left with the needed expose' that BOTH these folks need to openly testify before a House committee and.....

Either verbally repeat what was written in the report ....which is what Mueller will have to do......OR

Explain verbally how what is written in Mueller's report could EVER be "summarized" and "interpreted" as Barr did....which is also what Barr will have to do.

There is NO DOUBT......NONE...... that Mueller's ultimate intent is for Congress to settle the issue of "obstruction of justice" as the Article One responsibility of Congress.

Barr has witnesses and probably recordings.
Mueller is the liar.

But whatever happened to "Total Exoneration"?

I am sure the Senate will fulfill its Article One responsibility and totally exonerate the President if it gets that far. Mueller surely realized there was no way the Senate or any court would convict on this kind of evidence. So, instead of being the target of the left for the rest of his life, he kicked it to Congress to take the heat.

Mueller said he would not charge Trump because he does not have that authority. The DoJ cannot indict a sitting president.

Rather, Mueller compiled the evidence and submitted his report.

According to our constitution, the only body that has the authority to charge a sitting president with high crime and misdemeanors is the House of Representatives. They act as a Grand Jury. Their indictments with supporting evidence is then submitted to the Senate where a trial, judged by the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court is held.

Are their impartial jurors in the Senate? Do you think that Republican senators are capable of hearing the evidence and rendering a fair verdict?

Only if those senators read and understand the House indictments. Otherwise, the rulings will be rendered by senate jurors who act out of political expedience rather than faithfulness to the constitution.

Would you rather have the constitution diluted by political motives, or have that constitution respected and followed? I wonder what those who claim to be 'originalists' believe?

So often Crashes nservatives wrap the constitution around themselves like a security blanket saying the founding fathers intentions must be upheld. Does that sntimentmapply in this case? Or will political considerations wipe all that 'originalist' ethic aside? So many other ethical considerations have been eroded in the age of Trump.

 

[EGR one]

Of course, Trump should be taken out of the equation as to who one should believe.......Trump's infamy for lying is beyond debate......

But, we are faced with the "choice" of who should be believed from a legal standpoint...that is, AG Barr, or investigating prosecutor, Mueller.........

From yesterday's brief monologue by Mueller, it is crystal CLEAR that these two republican lawyers are NOT on the same page.

Of course our biases come quickly into play when making the choice as who of these two should be believed.

So, we are left with the needed expose' that BOTH these folks need to openly testify before a House committee and.....

Either verbally repeat what was written in the report ....which is what Mueller will have to do......OR

Explain verbally how what is written in Mueller's report could EVER be "summarized" and "interpreted" as Barr did....which is also what Barr will have to do.

There is NO DOUBT......NONE...... that Mueller's ultimate intent is for Congress to settle the issue of "obstruction of justice" as the Article One responsibility of Congress.

Mueller is a friggin lawyer. Perhaps a good one, but that is all he is. His opinion of what congress should do, or should not do, is worth a bottle of beer at the local tavern. Yet, Democrat lawmakers seem to need his approval to start an impeachment of the President. Just another bizarre element of this political circus.

 

[nat4900]

Mueller reaffirmed that there was No Collusion and No Obstruction in his No Collusion No Obstruction Report

FIRE your incompetent GED teacher as soon as possible......

 

[nat4900]

Mueller surely realized there was no way the Senate or any court would convict on this kind of evidence.

Moron......there are TEN very specific indictable charges in the Mueller report.....If Trump does not get reelected, he better run off to some dacha in Russia since THEN he is facing a shitload of charges.

If you can't read the fucking report.....have a grown up draw pictures for you.

 

[the other mike]

How can anyone not believe Barr ?
He's the most honest person we've had since Howard Cunningham.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

No Collusion...check
No Obstruction...check

 

[EGR one]

Of course, Trump should be taken out of the equation as to who one should believe.......Trump's infamy for lying is beyond debate......

But, we are faced with the "choice" of who should be believed from a legal standpoint...that is, AG Barr, or investigating prosecutor, Mueller.........

From yesterday's brief monologue by Mueller, it is crystal CLEAR that these two republican lawyers are NOT on the same page.

Of course our biases come quickly into play when making the choice as who of these two should be believed.

So, we are left with the needed expose' that BOTH these folks need to openly testify before a House committee and.....

Either verbally repeat what was written in the report ....which is what Mueller will have to do......OR

Explain verbally how what is written in Mueller's report could EVER be "summarized" and "interpreted" as Barr did....which is also what Barr will have to do.

There is NO DOUBT......NONE...... that Mueller's ultimate intent is for Congress to settle the issue of "obstruction of justice" as the Article One responsibility of Congress.

Barr has witnesses and probably recordings.
Mueller is the liar.

But whatever happened to "Total Exoneration"?

I am sure the Senate will fulfill its Article One responsibility and totally exonerate the President if it gets that far. Mueller surely realized there was no way the Senate or any court would convict on this kind of evidence. So, instead of being the target of the left for the rest of his life, he kicked it to Congress to take the heat.

Mueller said he would not charge Trump because he does not have that authority. The DoJ cannot indict a sitting president.

Rather, Mueller compiled the evidence and submitted his report.

According to our constitution, the only body that has the authority to charge a sitting president with high crime and misdemeanors is the House of Representatives. They act as a Grand Jury. Their indictments with supporting evidence is then submitted to the Senate where a trial, judged by the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court is held.

Are their impartial jurors in the Senate? Do you think that Republican senators are capable of hearing the evidence and rendering a fair verdict?

Only if those senators read and understand the House indictments. Otherwise, the rulings will be rendered by senate jurors who act out of political expedience rather than faithfulness to the constitution.

Would you rather have the constitution diluted by political motives, or have that constitution respected and followed? I wonder what those who claim to be 'originalists' believe?

So often Crashes nservatives wrap the constitution around themselves like a security blanket saying the founding fathers intentions must be upheld. Does that sntimentmapply in this case? Or will political considerations wipe all that 'originalist' ethic aside? So many other ethical considerations have been eroded in the age of Trump.

The words of the Constitution are "high crimes and misdemeanors" not politics and bullcrap. If the House Democrats do impeach the President, it will be political grandstanding, and nothing more. Of course the Senate will not convict.

 

[nat4900]

Are their impartial jurors in the Senate? Do you think that Republican senators are capable of hearing the evidence and rendering a fair verdict?

Only if those senators read and understand the House indictments. Otherwise, the rulings will be rendered by senate jurors who act out of political expedience rather than faithfulness to the constitution.

If I may just add this.........

When the House hears witnesses and subpoena records, the job is to convince the PUBLIC of guilt or innocence since senators....like all politicians.....put their finger up to the wind to save their own sorry asses.

 

[EGR one]

Of course, Trump should be taken out of the equation as to who one should believe.......Trump's infamy for lying is beyond debate......

But, we are faced with the "choice" of who should be believed from a legal standpoint...that is, AG Barr, or investigating prosecutor, Mueller.........

From yesterday's brief monologue by Mueller, it is crystal CLEAR that these two republican lawyers are NOT on the same page.

Of course our biases come quickly into play when making the choice as who of these two should be believed.

So, we are left with the needed expose' that BOTH these folks need to openly testify before a House committee and.....

Either verbally repeat what was written in the report ....which is what Mueller will have to do......OR

Explain verbally how what is written in Mueller's report could EVER be "summarized" and "interpreted" as Barr did....which is also what Barr will have to do.

There is NO DOUBT......NONE...... that Mueller's ultimate intent is for Congress to settle the issue of "obstruction of justice" as the Article One responsibility of Congress.

For me it's simple. Mueller did the investigating and wrote the report. His report came first. Barr "summarized" it in a way that was politically advantageous for the president but not accurate to Mueller's actual findings.
As Mueller's boss, he could and should have asked Mueller to clarify. Even possibly asking Mueller to amend his report to include a conclusion on criminality. He did not.

Barr dishonored himself, the DOJ and the USA.

For me it’s simple as well, but I have a different take. You liberals are the biggest pathetic, sore losers in the history of this country, and you’ll stop at nothing to bring down a duly elected president with whom you disagree with.

This is not a game, we are all losers if Trump and his judges makes it normal for a president to be explicitly above the law. We are witnessing the greatest expansion of executive power in our lifetimes. Like always republicans will complain bitterly if a democrat ever takes those increasingly imperial powers and actually tries to use them for the betterment of the country.

And, you would approve a Democrat President using these expanded powers, as long as it was for the good of the country, Just one more example of left wing double standards.

 

[nat4900]

His opinion of what congress should do, or should not do, is worth a bottle of beer

I partially agree........BUT its not just Mueller's opinion that Congress should pick up the baton....its clearly stated in Article I of the Constitution.....a document forgotten by Barr.

 

[Jitss617]

Of course, Trump should be taken out of the equation as to who one should believe.......Trump's infamy for lying is beyond debate......

But, we are faced with the "choice" of who should be believed from a legal standpoint...that is, AG Barr, or investigating prosecutor, Mueller.........

From yesterday's brief monologue by Mueller, it is crystal CLEAR that these two republican lawyers are NOT on the same page.

Of course our biases come quickly into play when making the choice as who of these two should be believed.

So, we are left with the needed expose' that BOTH these folks need to openly testify before a House committee and.....

Either verbally repeat what was written in the report ....which is what Mueller will have to do......OR

Explain verbally how what is written in Mueller's report could EVER be "summarized" and "interpreted" as Barr did....which is also what Barr will have to do.

There is NO DOUBT......NONE...... that Mueller's ultimate intent is for Congress to settle the issue of "obstruction of justice" as the Article One responsibility of Congress.

Mueller: "We couldn't prove Trump didn't obstruct the scam investigation launched to cover up the Obama administration's illegal conspiracy to undermine Trump's campaign and presidency." I'm paraphrasing, of course.

 

[nat4900]

If the House Democrats do impeach the President, it will be political grandstanding, and nothing more.

You ALMOST had it correct......

If the House goes for impeachment it is political suicide for their majority....

However, if the House does go for impeachment, it is out of an ethical duty to uphold the Constitution.

(they will not impeach......just smear Trump on a daily basis until Nov. 2020)

 

[EGR one]

Of course, Trump should be taken out of the equation as to who one should believe.......Trump's infamy for lying is beyond debate......

But, we are faced with the "choice" of who should be believed from a legal standpoint...that is, AG Barr, or investigating prosecutor, Mueller.........

From yesterday's brief monologue by Mueller, it is crystal CLEAR that these two republican lawyers are NOT on the same page.

Of course our biases come quickly into play when making the choice as who of these two should be believed.

So, we are left with the needed expose' that BOTH these folks need to openly testify before a House committee and.....

Either verbally repeat what was written in the report ....which is what Mueller will have to do......OR

Explain verbally how what is written in Mueller's report could EVER be "summarized" and "interpreted" as Barr did....which is also what Barr will have to do.

There is NO DOUBT......NONE...... that Mueller's ultimate intent is for Congress to settle the issue of "obstruction of justice" as the Article One responsibility of Congress.

Barr has witnesses and probably recordings.
Mueller is the liar.

But whatever happened to "Total Exoneration"?

I am sure the Senate will fulfill its Article One responsibility and totally exonerate the President if it gets that far. Mueller surely realized there was no way the Senate or any court would convict on this kind of evidence. So, instead of being the target of the left for the rest of his life, he kicked it to Congress to take the heat.

The Democrats in congress have no desire, and no intention of impeaching President Trump. What they want to do is to drag out this comedy act as far into the election process as possible.

They may well have to instigate an impeachment investigation just to get their hands on all the raw data. That will be leaked in the most incriminating manner possible, a bit at a time, in an effort to push down Trump's reelection chances.

 

[nat4900]

Mueller: "We couldn't prove Trump didn't obstruct the scam investigation launched to cover up the Obama administration's illegal conspiracy to undermine Trump's campaign and presidency." I'm paraphrasing, of course.

Go back to bed.....eternal moron.....(but thanks for the bump.)

 

[EGR one]

If the House Democrats do impeach the President, it will be political grandstanding, and nothing more.

You ALMOST had it correct......

If the House goes for impeachment it is political suicide for their majority....

However, if the House does go for impeachment, it is out of an ethical duty to uphold the Constitution.

(they will not impeach......just smear Trump on a daily basis until Nov. 2020)

You have that exactly right.

 

[nat4900]

They may well have to instigate an impeachment investigation just to get their hands on all the raw data. That will be leaked in the most incriminating manner possible, a bit at a time, in an effort to push down Trump's reelection chances.

If Trump is "innocent"....what the fuck do you and your ilk care?

(......of course if Trump is NOT innocent.......then have your diapers handy......lol.)