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Private wealth that isn't democratically regulated produces corrupt government,.

1) govt is only corrupt because liberals give it the power to be corrupt.
2) without govt corruption to save them corporations survive only if their customers decide they have the best products in the entire world at the lowest prices.

Welcome to your ABC's
 
Private wealth that isn't democratically regulated produces corrupt government,

1) private wealth regulated by capitalist consumers who want best price and quality in entire world is the best of all possible worlds

2) private wealth controlled by govt regulators is the definition of corruption as USSR and 132 other countries proved.
 
Every government ever created was designed to serve its richest citizens first and foremost, and cartels are a highly efficient tool for maximizing private wealth. As always, you are ignoring the historical fact of all governments being under control of private bankers.
"In the third section Paine examines the hostilities between England and the American colonies and argues that the best course of action is independence.

"Paine proposes a Continental Charter (or Charter of the United Colonies) that would be an American Magna Carta.

"Paine writes that a Continental Charter 'should come from some intermediate body between the Congress and the people' and outlines a Continental Conference that could draft a Continental Charter."
Common Sense pamphlet - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

You failed to prove that cartels can exist without government enforcement.
All cartels are products of corrupt governments.
All corrupt governments are produced by unregulated private wealth.
Thus, all cartels are produced by unregulated private wealth.


HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

Your ignorance is truly a wonder to behold.

Cartels are ENABLED by Government Cronyism...and collaborate with political hucksters to rig regulations for their benefit.
Private wealth that isn't democratically regulated produces corrupt government, giving rise to cartels and wars of aggression which, in turn, generate more private wealth.

Government regulation of private wealth is always highly corrupt. Government is always the source of corruption. Have you ever heard of corruption where government wasn't involved?
Private wealth corrupts government by bribing politicians for political favors; exterminate private wealth, and government becomes your servant instead of your master.
 
exterminate private wealth, and government becomes your servant instead of your master.

as I said dear there was no private wealth in USSR and 132 other failed communist countries just 200 million who slowly starved to death. Are you a liberal of the Nazi or Communist variety?
 
Are you confused about the Private Banker cartel?

The only kind of cartels that have ever existed for more than a few weeks were all government enforced.
Every government ever created was designed to serve its richest citizens first and foremost, and cartels are a highly efficient tool for maximizing private wealth. As always, you are ignoring the historical fact of all governments being under control of private bankers.
"In the third section Paine examines the hostilities between England and the American colonies and argues that the best course of action is independence.

"Paine proposes a Continental Charter (or Charter of the United Colonies) that would be an American Magna Carta.

"Paine writes that a Continental Charter 'should come from some intermediate body between the Congress and the people' and outlines a Continental Conference that could draft a Continental Charter."
Common Sense pamphlet - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

You failed to prove that cartels can exist without government enforcement.
All cartels are products of corrupt governments.
All corrupt governments are produced by unregulated private wealth.
Thus, all cartels are produced by unregulated private wealth.


HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

Your ignorance is truly a wonder to behold.

Cartels are ENABLED by Government Cronyism...and collaborate with political hucksters to rig regulations for their benefit.
The seven deadly sins, also known as the capital vices or cardinal sins, is a classification of vices(part of Christian ethics) that has been used since early Christian times to educate and instruct Christians concerning fallen humanity's tendency to sin. In the currently recognized version, the sins are usually given as wrath, greed, sloth, pride, lust, envy, and gluttony. Each is a form of Idolatry-of-Self wherein the subjective reigns over the objective.

I'm not a Christian, so your argument doesn't impress me in the slightest.

I'm sure you're not, as I'm sure you're a member of the Crazy New Right and and not sufficiently socialized to adjust to societal norms. One can be an iconoclast without being a feral human being. Seems you see yourself as the former, but in reality - evidenced by your avatar and obnoxious posts - to be the latter.

If spouting pure ad hominem were an argument, your post might have been worth reading.

It's not an ad hominem, it's an assertion of your character flaws, apparent to all but the most radical members of the far far far right wing in America. You're a dirt bag, you don't offer any argument to prove your Crazy Right Wing ideology is rational and thus their is no substance to refute.

Believe what you want, pragmatists see you an others who hold onto ideologues of dubious outcomes as fools - you have more in common with true believers in Communism, phrenology and the 'spirit world' than you do with normal rational human beings.

You call yourself a "pragmatist?" What a hoot!

That's the best laugh all day.

I guess I could say calling you an asshole numskull who sucks off the tax payers isn't an ad hominem. It's just an accurate assessment of your character flaws and job experience.


You guess? I'm sure you believe I'm an asshole, and guess what, I don't give a shit. You're a punk, I spent a career putting punks - most of whom had IQ's in the low 90's in custody - and most of them were smarter than you.
 
The only kind of cartels that have ever existed for more than a few weeks were all government enforced.
Every government ever created was designed to serve its richest citizens first and foremost, and cartels are a highly efficient tool for maximizing private wealth. As always, you are ignoring the historical fact of all governments being under control of private bankers.
"In the third section Paine examines the hostilities between England and the American colonies and argues that the best course of action is independence.

"Paine proposes a Continental Charter (or Charter of the United Colonies) that would be an American Magna Carta.

"Paine writes that a Continental Charter 'should come from some intermediate body between the Congress and the people' and outlines a Continental Conference that could draft a Continental Charter."
Common Sense pamphlet - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

You failed to prove that cartels can exist without government enforcement.
All cartels are products of corrupt governments.
All corrupt governments are produced by unregulated private wealth.
Thus, all cartels are produced by unregulated private wealth.


HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

Your ignorance is truly a wonder to behold.

Cartels are ENABLED by Government Cronyism...and collaborate with political hucksters to rig regulations for their benefit.
I'm not a Christian, so your argument doesn't impress me in the slightest.

I'm sure you're not, as I'm sure you're a member of the Crazy New Right and and not sufficiently socialized to adjust to societal norms. One can be an iconoclast without being a feral human being. Seems you see yourself as the former, but in reality - evidenced by your avatar and obnoxious posts - to be the latter.

If spouting pure ad hominem were an argument, your post might have been worth reading.

It's not an ad hominem, it's an assertion of your character flaws, apparent to all but the most radical members of the far far far right wing in America. You're a dirt bag, you don't offer any argument to prove your Crazy Right Wing ideology is rational and thus their is no substance to refute.

Believe what you want, pragmatists see you an others who hold onto ideologues of dubious outcomes as fools - you have more in common with true believers in Communism, phrenology and the 'spirit world' than you do with normal rational human beings.

You call yourself a "pragmatist?" What a hoot!

That's the best laugh all day.

I guess I could say calling you an asshole numskull who sucks off the tax payers isn't an ad hominem. It's just an accurate assessment of your character flaws and job experience.


You guess? I'm sure you believe I'm an asshole, and guess what, I don't give a shit. You're a punk, I spent a career putting punks - most of whom had IQ's in the low 90's in custody - and most of them were smarter than you.

I find it hard to believe that you claim intellectual superiority when everything I post seems to go right over your head.
 
You failed to prove that cartels can exist without government enforcement.
All cartels are products of corrupt governments.
All corrupt governments are produced by unregulated private wealth.
Thus, all cartels are produced by unregulated private wealth.


HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

Your ignorance is truly a wonder to behold.

Cartels are ENABLED by Government Cronyism...and collaborate with political hucksters to rig regulations for their benefit.
Private wealth that isn't democratically regulated produces corrupt government, giving rise to cartels and wars of aggression which, in turn, generate more private wealth.

Government regulation of private wealth is always highly corrupt. Government is always the source of corruption. Have you ever heard of corruption where government wasn't involved?
Private wealth corrupts government by bribing politicians for political favors; exterminate private wealth, and government becomes your servant instead of your master.

That worked great in the Soviet Union and Communist China, didn't it?
 
Are you confused about the Private Banker cartel?

The only kind of cartels that have ever existed for more than a few weeks were all government enforced.
Every government ever created was designed to serve its richest citizens first and foremost, and cartels are a highly efficient tool for maximizing private wealth. As always, you are ignoring the historical fact of all governments being under control of private bankers.
"In the third section Paine examines the hostilities between England and the American colonies and argues that the best course of action is independence.

"Paine proposes a Continental Charter (or Charter of the United Colonies) that would be an American Magna Carta.

"Paine writes that a Continental Charter 'should come from some intermediate body between the Congress and the people' and outlines a Continental Conference that could draft a Continental Charter."
Common Sense pamphlet - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

You failed to prove that cartels can exist without government enforcement.
All cartels are products of corrupt governments.
All corrupt governments are produced by unregulated private wealth.
Thus, all cartels are produced by unregulated private wealth.


HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

Your ignorance is truly a wonder to behold.

Cartels are ENABLED by Government Cronyism...and collaborate with political hucksters to rig regulations for their benefit.
Where does the money come from to bribe government for favorable regulation, Baroness Thatcher?
:oops-28:
 
The only kind of cartels that have ever existed for more than a few weeks were all government enforced.
Every government ever created was designed to serve its richest citizens first and foremost, and cartels are a highly efficient tool for maximizing private wealth. As always, you are ignoring the historical fact of all governments being under control of private bankers.
"In the third section Paine examines the hostilities between England and the American colonies and argues that the best course of action is independence.

"Paine proposes a Continental Charter (or Charter of the United Colonies) that would be an American Magna Carta.

"Paine writes that a Continental Charter 'should come from some intermediate body between the Congress and the people' and outlines a Continental Conference that could draft a Continental Charter."
Common Sense pamphlet - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

You failed to prove that cartels can exist without government enforcement.
All cartels are products of corrupt governments.
All corrupt governments are produced by unregulated private wealth.
Thus, all cartels are produced by unregulated private wealth.


HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

Your ignorance is truly a wonder to behold.

Cartels are ENABLED by Government Cronyism...and collaborate with political hucksters to rig regulations for their benefit.
Where does the money come from to bribe government for favorable regulation, Baroness Thatcher?
:oops-28:

What difference does that make? There wouldn't be any bribery if government officials weren't willing to take bribes or if they didn't have anything worth bribing them for. When your decisions can make a difference of $billions to a company's bottom line, they will do whatever they have to do to get it.
 
All corrupt governments are produced by unregulated private wealth.
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100% stupid brainwashed Marxism
USSR was corrupt with no private wealth, Afghanistan is totally corrupt with no private wealth. Govt is corrupt when it has the power to be corrupt and that power comes from liberals who idiotically beleive the more power they give govt the more good it will do, not the more corrupt it will be. Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolultely!

Thomas Jefferson:
Our country is now taking so steady a course as to show by what road it will pass to destruction, to wit: by consolidation of power first, and then corruption, its necessary consequence.
You have little knowledge of 99% of the subjects you comment on; why don't you stop embarrassing yourself?
"THE material wealth of many Soviet citizens has increased greatly
over the past decade1(1950s) and will continue to increase. Many own
their own homes53 ownership of durable consumer goods is becoming
widespread; 4 savings accounts are at an all time high.- The Soviet
constitution and the established legal framework provide for private
ownership on a broad scale, although private commercial activity is
severely restricted."
http://scholarship.law.duke.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1778&context=dlj
 
Every government ever created was designed to serve its richest citizens first and foremost, and cartels are a highly efficient tool for maximizing private wealth. As always, you are ignoring the historical fact of all governments being under control of private bankers.
"In the third section Paine examines the hostilities between England and the American colonies and argues that the best course of action is independence.

"Paine proposes a Continental Charter (or Charter of the United Colonies) that would be an American Magna Carta.

"Paine writes that a Continental Charter 'should come from some intermediate body between the Congress and the people' and outlines a Continental Conference that could draft a Continental Charter."
Common Sense pamphlet - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

You failed to prove that cartels can exist without government enforcement.
All cartels are products of corrupt governments.
All corrupt governments are produced by unregulated private wealth.
Thus, all cartels are produced by unregulated private wealth.


HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

Your ignorance is truly a wonder to behold.

Cartels are ENABLED by Government Cronyism...and collaborate with political hucksters to rig regulations for their benefit.
Where does the money come from to bribe government for favorable regulation, Baroness Thatcher?
:oops-28:

What difference does that make? There wouldn't be any bribery if government officials weren't willing to take bribes or if they didn't have anything worth bribing them for. When your decisions can make a difference of $billions to a company's bottom line, they will do whatever they have to do to get it.
In which case they who offer and they who accept bribes should spend the rest of their lives in prison, right?
 
Private wealth that isn't democratically regulated produces corrupt government,.

1) govt is only corrupt because liberals give it the power to be corrupt.
2) without govt corruption to save them corporations survive only if their customers decide they have the best products in the entire world at the lowest prices.

Welcome to your ABC's
Without government, corporations don't exist; simple as 1-2-3, isn't it? What did Jefferson have to say about corporations?
"The end of democracy and the defeat of the American Revolution will occur when government falls into the hands of lending institutions and moneyed incorporations."
The end of democracy... Quotation Thomas Jefferson s Monticello
 
Private wealth corrupts government by bribing politicians for political favors;

dear you can only do favors if you have power. Why do you think they bribe govt and not bums on the street?
Why do you think they need to bribe anyone if their economic system is not inherently unstable?

Franz Oppenheimer explained it over 100 years ago: The political means of obtaining wealth is easier than the economic means.
 
Private wealth that isn't democratically regulated produces corrupt government,

1) private wealth regulated by capitalist consumers who want best price and quality in entire world is the best of all possible worlds

2) private wealth controlled by govt regulators is the definition of corruption as USSR and 132 other countries proved.
How do you imagine "capitalist consumers" could possibly regulate central bank machinations or control accounting fraud in the finance industry?
 
Private wealth that isn't democratically regulated produces corrupt government,

1) private wealth regulated by capitalist consumers who want best price and quality in entire world is the best of all possible worlds

2) private wealth controlled by govt regulators is the definition of corruption as USSR and 132 other countries proved.
How do you imagine "capitalist consumers" could possibly regulate central bank machinations or control accounting fraud in the finance industry?

How do you think they did it before the creation of the SEC and the Federal Reserve?
 
Private wealth corrupts government by bribing politicians for political favors;

dear you can only do favors if you have power. Why do you think they bribe govt and not bums on the street?
Why do you think they need to bribe anyone if their economic system is not inherently unstable?

Franz Oppenheimer explained it over 100 years ago: The political means of obtaining wealth is easier than the economic means.
Oppenheimer seems to have harbored doubts about capitalism as well as the "wolf state":
"There are two fundamentally opposed means whereby man, requiring sustenance, is impelled to obtain the necessary means for satisfying his desires.

"These are work and robbery, one's own labor and the forcible appropriation of the labor of others.

"Robbery!

"Forcible appropriation!

"These words convey to us ideas of crime and the penitentiary, since we are the contemporaries of a developed civilization, specifically based on the inviolability of property.

"And this tang is not lost when we are convinced that land and sea robbery is the primitive relation of life, just as the warrior's trade – which also for a long time is only organized mass robbery – constitutes the most respected of occupations.

"Both because of this, and also on account of the need of having, in the further development of this study, terse, clear, sharply opposing terms for these very important contrasts, I propose in the following discussion to call one's own labor and the equivalent exchange of one's own labor for the labor of others, the 'economic means' for the satisfaction of needs, while the unrequited appropriation of the labor of others will be called the 'political means.' (pp. 24–25)"
Franz Oppenheimer - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
 
Private wealth that isn't democratically regulated produces corrupt government,

1) private wealth regulated by capitalist consumers who want best price and quality in entire world is the best of all possible worlds

2) private wealth controlled by govt regulators is the definition of corruption as USSR and 132 other countries proved.
How do you imagine "capitalist consumers" could possibly regulate central bank machinations or control accounting fraud in the finance industry?

How do you think they did it before the creation of the SEC and the Federal Reserve?
They didn't.
The rich found it easier to pillage and loot in those days than they do today.
 
Private wealth that isn't democratically regulated produces corrupt government,

1) private wealth regulated by capitalist consumers who want best price and quality in entire world is the best of all possible worlds

2) private wealth controlled by govt regulators is the definition of corruption as USSR and 132 other countries proved.
How do you imagine "capitalist consumers" could possibly regulate central bank machinations or control accounting fraud in the finance industry?

How do you think they did it before the creation of the SEC and the Federal Reserve?
They didn't.
The rich found it easier to pillage and loot in those days than they do today.

I suppose you have some proof that banks were "looting and pillaging" their customers before the reign of his royal highness, FDR?
 

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