Why can't conservatives/GOP learn from history?

[Carla_Danger]

I'm just glad I'm not related to someone claiming themselves to be dad. can you imagine?

Were you ever?

 

[Dad2three]

you want to talk about flexible leftard?
is there a pro-life politician left in the Donkey Party? or did you purge them all?

i already said dummy; let's go there.

all your items are things your own Party is neck-deep in, and guilty of

let's go!!

 

[Dad2three]

you say white people are lazy and wont do the jobs illegals do?

then why is the white unemployment rate twice as good as the Black unemployment rate stupid?
who doesnt question themselves>?
who doesnt question their talking points?

You.

see; you're falling apart already

nice empty response stupid

try again

Nope, as long as you are on the attack instead of discussing how flexible conservatives actually are then you are just boringly acting exactly like the stereotype liberals have of conservatives.

the idea of conservative "flexibility" is a fantasy. but feel free to show evidence of it. normal people understand that for the last six years, the only conservative "policy" has been hating anyone who disagrees with them and obstructing government.

btw, conservative is a misnomer.... your "party" is a bunch of regressive reactionaries.

the last six years Democrats were the majority of government you dullard
when will you losers admit you're in charge?

Weird you don't know how Gov't (Congress specifically) works. I'm shocked

 

[Dad2three]

over 300 bills passed by the "do-nothing" Republican Party never made it to the floor of the Senate for debate under former Senate Leader Reid

try another talking point stupid

 

[Dad2three]

here's some history the left refuses and denies;

Harding (R) inherted a depression, he cut taxes and Fed spending in 1/2, 18 month later, depression over, Roaring Twentys begin.
fdr (D) inherited a depression, he increased taxes and Fed spending to level unseen, 10 years later and WW2 later, depression over, no economic boom.

now, who did obama copy and why is it taking so long for the economy to really get going?

leftist learned from history that increasing taxes and spending slows the economy and forces more people to rely on the government for basic needs.

so please go fuck yourself you useless sheep

Harding is acknowledged as one of the worst presidents in history
His and Cooledge policies led to the Great Depression. There is a reason we did not elect another republican for twenty years

Logical fallacy of Appeal to Authority

And

Logical fallacy of Appeal to Popularity.

Oh, and some unsupported opinion.

Yet you don't even TRY to give reasons why the US didn't elect a Prez from the GOP after Hoover for decades?

 

[whitehall]

Why does the term "corporate influence" horrify the progs? Isn't it a fact of life that only corporations are responsible for producing the goods and services we need to survive? What does the government produce? Why do hypocrite knee jerk idiots on the left assume that corporations are the enemy when they depend on corporations every day?

 

[imawhosure]

I want to address the incompetent liberal who claims we conservatives can't learn anything, and then I expect you conservatives to SHOVE it down HER/HIS throat!

What have we conservatives learned? Good question, let me tell all of you...........

1. Our budgets are out of control as a country, and so is the national debt.

2. The largest part of our budgets are entitlements, and who/whom created them all?

3. With our budgets out of control, the present President decided not to fix them, and instead ADDED another entitlement called Obamacare.

4. The none partisan CBO has stated repeatedly that we are going under unless we get spending under control.

5. The people who are going to get hammered are our children, and I love my children; and yes, even the children of far left wing liberals. I see no reason to force them into poverty because their parents are absolutely incompetent. I do not believe in "guilt through association.

6. GW Bush was an establishment republican who was WORSE than any liberal, because he lied to the people who voted for him; therefore, another Bush is out of the question. Same can be said for Tricky Mitch Mconnell, and if I lived in Kentucky, I would be leading people to the state capitol to burn that lying SOB in effigy.

7. The left believes that they KNOW better than you do, so they want to guide your life through NOT allowing you freedom that everyone once had.

8. The left believes all of the phoney numbers coming out of Washington; or tries to get you to believe them too. If their numbers are correct, then why aren't these people working? Are you telling everyone on here we are correct that 1/2 the people collecting are lazy?

9. If the rich are so evil, why doesn't the left PROMISE everyone on here, they will only work for a poor person? (and working for poor people in a government position does not qualify)

10. The left comes up with grand ideas, but never comes up with a way to pay for it. Every program they have instituted is in the red.

11. The left has absolutely no problem with throwing their constituents under the bus when they find a better constituent base. How do we know this? Because they are screwing African Americans for illegal aliens who supposedly can NOT vote. And to double down, they convince African Americans that our whole idea for voter ID is to stop them from voting, instead of stopping the illegals who are taking their jobs. They talk about Jim Crow, and African Americans forget it was the DEMOCRATS who wanted JIM CROW to stop them from voting.

12. The government makes NOTHING. The only way it funds itself is by taking our money, or printing money that makes our money worth less than it was before it printed the extra. And so, the left wonders why people who have actually SAVED money have some invested overseas; and why people laugh at the left as they point fingers at rich people/corporations, because the lefts has no clue that THEIR policies actually have created this problem; and if some do, they won't admit it because that doesn't fit their narrative.

13. Iran! The lefts narrative only works if you believe their premise. Their premise is......accept the Obama/Kerry deal, or it is WAR!!!!!!! That is like saying, you either accept Obamacare, or you will never be able to buy insurance. It is ridiculous!!!!!! If you believe their parameters, then you would have to accept the deal. But their parameters are for public consumption. Who makes the parameters? WE DO! Why? Because we had THEIR money, they are a 3rd rate country, and the best our fearless leader and his minion John (lie about his fellow soldiers in Vietnam) Kerry could do is this? Even leftists should be ashamed!

14. The reason that people WITHOUT a lot of political power are towards the top of the GOP field, and are closing on Hilly is because unlike the lefties, America has realized that WASHINGTON itself is our countrys problem. They do not care what we say, what we think, or how we are all doing down here in the heartland. All they care about is holding power. It is NOT just democrat specific either; republicans need to be removed also. What the political parties do is let people who actually care run low on money, cut each others throats in elections, then fund establishment people who will toe the party line.

How many of you today think TPP was a wonderful idea? Democrats? Republicans? And yet, the people who tried to stop it were eviscerated by BOTH parties in concert! Both parties are in cahoots. They will fight each other, but neither wants anyone else to even be considered, because then it goes from a split of 50-50, to a split of 33-33-33. They do not want a real blue dog democrat in there, nor a conservative, nor a libertarian. Why? Because if they start to fix it, the 2 parties lose power as Americans may be uninformed, but they are NOT stupid.

15. Finally..............GW Bush and Obama; regardless that they are from opposing parties, will be considered as 1 in the same when history writes its report on these times. Both screwed the pooch. Both took us down a road that this countries founding fathers never intended. Both were incompetent. And both spent this country into oblivion. Our children will curse their names when they pay their tax bill; that is if WE CAN SAVE THEM and our country from bankruptcy by changing course before it is to late.

 

[Dad2three]

Liberals cry about Fox News because they absolutely DOMINATE liberal outlets. All the while they get their news from Comedy Central.

another low informed type who judges his "news" by ratings. Weird

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Is D23 Rdean on acid?

I think Rdean and Truthmatters made a baby!

 

[Dad2three]

here's some history the left refuses and denies;

Harding (R) inherted a depression, he cut taxes and Fed spending in 1/2, 18 month later, depression over, Roaring Twentys begin.
fdr (D) inherited a depression, he increased taxes and Fed spending to level unseen, 10 years later and WW2 later, depression over, no economic boom.

now, who did obama copy and why is it taking so long for the economy to really get going?

leftist learned from history that increasing taxes and spending slows the economy and forces more people to rely on the government for basic needs.

so please go fuck yourself you useless sheep

From 2001 to 2008, millions of jobs were moved to China and over 40,000 factories closed. Those jobs are gone and those factories are gone. How do you recover from such a blow to the country? That was what was handed to Obama from the GOP. It's way easier to fix something if it's still there to be fixed. If it's gone, you can't fix it. You need to rebuild from scratch.

um we did recover you mindless moron. that's why there were THIRTEEN MILION FEWER AMERICANS ON FOOD STAMPS WHEN BUSH WAS IN OFFICE, THEN THERE ARE NOW IN OBAMA SEVENTH YEAR

GOP burns down economy. Blames Obama.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Liberals cry about Fox News because they absolutely DOMINATE liberal outlets. All the while they get their news from Comedy Central.

another low informed type who judges his "news" by ratings. Weird

You should go back and read your opening salvo.... it's pretty dumb.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

here's some history the left refuses and denies;

Harding (R) inherted a depression, he cut taxes and Fed spending in 1/2, 18 month later, depression over, Roaring Twentys begin.
fdr (D) inherited a depression, he increased taxes and Fed spending to level unseen, 10 years later and WW2 later, depression over, no economic boom.

now, who did obama copy and why is it taking so long for the economy to really get going?

leftist learned from history that increasing taxes and spending slows the economy and forces more people to rely on the government for basic needs.

so please go fuck yourself you useless sheep

From 2001 to 2008, millions of jobs were moved to China and over 40,000 factories closed. Those jobs are gone and those factories are gone. How do you recover from such a blow to the country? That was what was handed to Obama from the GOP. It's way easier to fix something if it's still there to be fixed. If it's gone, you can't fix it. You need to rebuild from scratch.

um we did recover you mindless moron. that's why there were THIRTEEN MILION FEWER AMERICANS ON FOOD STAMPS WHEN BUSH WAS IN OFFICE, THEN THERE ARE NOW IN OBAMA SEVENTH YEAR

GOP burns down economy. Blames Obama.

So, now you're citing cartoons as your sources?

 

[Dad2three]

It would be much easier to make your case that amything other than capitalism works if the current economic climate was as good as either the bush, Clinton, or even Reagan years. Even the manipulated numbers of the Obama administration are not as good as those years. As much of a failure this administration has been I fear that this country won't learn anytging from it. I hope a democrat wins so that the pain will continue. Eventually people will start figuring it out and abandon something that they believe.

 

[Correll]

Liberal ideas have no history other than failure and you think we can't learn from it?

New Deal set the stage for a new society. FDR made it easier for workers to unionize, and started taxing the rich at confiscatory levels. It didn't hurt that first the war and later the baby boom put everyone back to work. The result, as you can see above, was the creation of the American middle class. Between 1940 and 1970, the bottom 90 percent went from making, on average, $12,000 to $33,000. The top 1 percent, meanwhile, were stuck making "only" $300,000 this whole time. It's what economists call the "Great Compression," and it was a story about workers having the bargaining power to ask for higher wages and the rich not having much reason to ask for higher wages themselves. That's because top marginal tax rates were so high—at their peak, 94 percent—that it wasn't worth it for CEOs to pay themselves that much more. Besides, that was just something executives didn't do back then. George Romney, for example, turned down a $100,000 bonus in 1960—and those are unadjusted dollars—because he didn't think anyone needed to make that much more.

This chart explains everything you need to know about inequality - The Washington Post

So, unions were responsible for the Post War boom?

THe fact that the rest of the world had been bombed flat and thus could NOT compete with US, AND needed to rebuild had nothing to do with it?

Weird response to PROGRESSIVE policies that created the post WW2 America and largest middle class the world ever knew.

90% of the damage was rebuilt by 1955. AND helped those economies with Marshall's plan. Weird you want to hold onto Heritage talking points?

There is nothing "weird" about pointing out other factors that could have been more responsible for the Post War Boom, then unions.

It is disingenuous of you to pretend that there is.

 

[Agit8r]

Because history always leaves the conservatives of one age behind, on its advance to the next age. Of course it is their natural enemy.

 

[Dad2three]

here's some history the left refuses and denies;

Harding (R) inherted a depression, he cut taxes and Fed spending in 1/2, 18 month later, depression over, Roaring Twentys begin.
fdr (D) inherited a depression, he increased taxes and Fed spending to level unseen, 10 years later and WW2 later, depression over, no economic boom.

now, who did obama copy and why is it taking so long for the economy to really get going?

leftist learned from history that increasing taxes and spending slows the economy and forces more people to rely on the government for basic needs.

so please go fuck yourself you useless sheep

From 2001 to 2008, millions of jobs were moved to China and over 40,000 factories closed. Those jobs are gone and those factories are gone. How do you recover from such a blow to the country? That was what was handed to Obama from the GOP. It's way easier to fix something if it's still there to be fixed. If it's gone, you can't fix it. You need to rebuild from scratch.

Despite that the unemployment rate was much lower. So much for the theory that overseas jobs caused the unemployment we have now. Poof!

I think if you are so concerned with factories being moved overseas and having foreign workers take American jobs then you should be equally concerned when those same foreign workers move here illegally and take American jobs. You seem strangly quiet on that issue.

Despite that unemployment was lower? lol, Yeah create a credit bubble cheered on by Dubya, eventually it pops and it's the Dems fault? Gawd


Bush' documented policies and statements in timeframe leading up to the start of the Bush Mortgage Bubble include (but not limited to)

Wanting 5.5 million more minority homeowners
Tells congress there is nothing wrong with GSEs
Pledging to use federal policy to increase home ownership
Routinely taking credit for the housing market
Forcing GSEs to buy more low income home loans by raising their Housing Goals
Lowering Investment banks capital requirements, Net Capital rule
Reversing the Clinton rule that restricted GSEs purchases of subprime loans
Lowering down payment requirements to 0%
Forcing GSEs to spend an additional $440 billion in the secondary markets
Giving away 40,000 free down payments
PREEMPTING ALL STATE LAWS AGAINST PREDATORY LENDING


But the biggest policy was regulators not enforcing lending standards.


FACTS on Dubya s great recession US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

It would be much easier to make your case that amything other than capitalism works if the current economic climate was as good as either the bush, Clinton, or even Reagan years. Even the manipulated numbers of the Obama administration are not as good as those years. As much of a failure this administration has been I fear that this country won't learn anytging from it. I hope a democrat wins so that the pain will continue. Eventually people will start figuring it out and abandon something that they believe.

Jesus... cartoons and now crazy Paul Krugman?

 

[Dad2three]

you poor sad idiot; filibusters dont mean a thing when the ACTUAL record shows Democrats voting FOR the very policies you blame others for tanking the economy...............

you want me to hit you with THOSE NUMBERS leftard?

Right-wingers Want To Erase How George Bush's "Homeowner Society" Helped Cause The Economic Collapse


2004 Republican Convention:

Another priority for a new term is to build an ownership society, because ownership brings security and dignity and independence.
...

Thanks to our policies, home ownership in America is at an all- time high.

(APPLAUSE)

Tonight we set a new goal: 7 million more affordable homes in the next 10 years, so more American families will be able to open the door and say, "Welcome to my home."


June 17, 2004


Builders to fight Bush's low-income plan


NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - Home builders, realtors and others are preparing to fight a Bush administration plan that would require Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to increase financing of homes for low-income people, a home builder group said Thursday.


Home builders fight Bush's low-income housing - Jun. 17, 2004


Predatory Lenders' Partner in Crime

Predatory lending was widely understood to present a looming national crisis.

What did the Bush administration do in response? Did it reverse course and decide to take action to halt this burgeoning scourge?

Not only did the Bush administration do nothing to protect consumers, it embarked on an aggressive and unprecedented campaign to prevent states from protecting their residents from the very problems to which the federal government was turning a blind eye

In 2003, during the height of the predatory lending crisis, the OCC invoked a clause from the 1863 National Bank Act to issue formal opinions preempting all state predatory lending laws, thereby rendering them inoperative


Eliot Spitzer - Predatory Lenders' Partner in Crime


2004 Dubya allowed the leverage rules to go from 12-1 to 35-1+ which flooded the market with cheap money!


Bush drive for home ownership fueled housing bubble


He insisted that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac meet ambitious new goals for low-income lending.

Concerned that down payments were a barrier, Bush persuaded Congress to spend as much as $200 million a year to help first-time buyers with down payments and closing costs.

And he pushed to allow first-time buyers to qualify for government insured mortgages with no money down

Q When did the Bush Mortgage Bubble start?

A The general timeframe is it started late 2004.

From Bush’s President’s Working Group on Financial Markets October 2008

“The Presidents Working Group’s March policy statement acknowledged that turmoil in financial markets clearly was triggered by a dramatic weakening of underwriting standards for U.S. subprime mortgages, beginning in late 2004 and extending into 2007.”

FACTS on Dubya s great recession US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

 

[Correll]

here's some history the left refuses and denies;

Harding (R) inherted a depression, he cut taxes and Fed spending in 1/2, 18 month later, depression over, Roaring Twentys begin.
fdr (D) inherited a depression, he increased taxes and Fed spending to level unseen, 10 years later and WW2 later, depression over, no economic boom.

now, who did obama copy and why is it taking so long for the economy to really get going?

leftist learned from history that increasing taxes and spending slows the economy and forces more people to rely on the government for basic needs.

so please go fuck yourself you useless sheep

Harding is acknowledged as one of the worst presidents in history
His and Cooledge policies led to the Great Depression. There is a reason we did not elect another republican for twenty years

Logical fallacy of Appeal to Authority

And

Logical fallacy of Appeal to Popularity.

Oh, and some unsupported opinion.

Yet you don't even TRY to give reasons why the US didn't elect a Prez from the GOP after Hoover for decades?

If he comes back and seriously supports his claims, then I might respond in kind.

As long as all he is posting is unsupported BS, I will just point out that his posts are just unsupported bs.

 

[Dad2three]

Why does the term "corporate influence" horrify the progs? Isn't it a fact of life that only corporations are responsible for producing the goods and services we need to survive? What does the government produce? Why do hypocrite knee jerk idiots on the left assume that corporations are the enemy when they depend on corporations every day?

Our Hidden History of Corporations in the United States


When American colonists declared independence from England in 1776, they also freed themselves from control by English corporations that extracted their wealth and dominated trade. After fighting a revolution to end this exploitation, our country’s founders retained a healthy fear of corporate power and wisely limited corporations exclusively to a business role. Corporations were forbidden from attempting to influence elections, public policy, and other realms of civic society.

Initially, the privilege of incorporation was granted selectively to enable activities that benefited the public, such as construction of roads or canals. Enabling shareholders to profit was seen as a means to that end. The states also imposed conditions (some of which remain on the books, though unused) like these*:

• Corporate charters (licenses to exist) were granted for a limited time and could be revoked promptly for violating laws.
• Corporations could engage only in activities necessary to fulfill their chartered purpose.
• Corporations could not own stock in other corporations nor own any property that was not essential to fulfilling their chartered purpose.
• Corporations were often terminated if they exceeded their authority or caused public harm.
• Owners and managers were responsible for criminal acts committed on the job.
• Corporations could not make any political or charitable contributions nor spend money to influence law-making.

Our Hidden History of Corporations in the United States


Corporate Taxes as a Percentage of Federal Revenue

1955 . . . 27.3%
2010 . . . 8.9%

Corporate Taxes as a Percentage of GDP

1955 . . . 4.3%
2010 . . . 1.3%

Individual Income/Payrolls as a Percentage of Federal Revenue

1955 . . . 58.0%
2010 . . . 81.5%

Corporate Profits Are At An All-Time High

'corporate profits are at an all-time high as a percentage of the economy, wages are at an all-time low.'