Your post is full of bs. You need to turn off the bad righty pundits that are lieing to you about who the center left is and what they want. Those guys present false and generalized caricatures based on the out of context blurbs of a few more radical politicians. It doesnt represent what the reasonable folks think or want just like we dont think all of the right fully commits to the radical rantings of the alt right politicians, pundits, and trump.We arent pro illegal immigration. We are anti shitty hate based policy. It's really fked up that Trump lied so much about the illegals and got half the country to hate them. The reality of the situation is that 10-20 million illegals are already here and most are working and growing along side us. Some have been here for decades and have american kids. A wall does literally zero to reconcile this yet the enraged right conflates all of the illegal immigration issues into the border and the wall. It's not surprising considering they have an unstable oaf as their ideological leader.Clearly they know something we don’t... I don’t get it, why not share their knowledge?
Wouldn’t that be an easy way to get good Americans to embrace illegal immigration?
They pitch it as such a no-brainer yet not one of them have been able to articulate the notion....Shouldn’t it be simple to produce an illustration of just how much of a no-brainer it actually is?
I work in a field where solutions need to address specific problems and need to be proven to be effective at it or they are scrapped. It would be absurd to point out one symptomatic problem over here, then create a solution over there that ignores the root of the issue and the most glaring and damaging symptoms. That's not good problem solving.
Trump found a hot button slogan that captured and held the attention of his base. It's more powerful as a political slogan than a force for actually fixing anything. The smart thing would have been to initially highlight all of these concerns, but be factual and fair to the people. Then suggest a desire to fix it with a package of proven solutions that actually attack root and alleviate the symptoms. The problem is that doesnt tend to sell well and doesnt look pretty to an angry mob.
"We arent pro illegal immigration. We are anti shitty hate based policy. It's really fked up that Trump lied so much about the illegals and got half the country to hate them. The reality of the situation is that 10-20 million illegals are already here and most are working and growing along side us. Some have been here for decades and have american kids."
We swear we don’t want ‘open borders’, we just want to dissolve ICE, we want a pathway to citizenship for the 12-40 million here illegally now, we want the 1.7 million DACA ‘kids’ gifted a form of citizenship and we want future Mexican immigrants to be able to become citizens without all the red tape....but, but, but....we swear, we don’t want open borders.
Look bud, in the real world, operating by the "FEELZ" doesn't work. Your
Listen to yourself...listen to how retarded this sounds..."there's a bunch of criminals here who have alluded law enforcement long enough, its time to reward them by pretending they aren't criminals at all"...that is some retarded shit isn't it?
A good leader does and should turn good people against bad people...Did your parents teach you to hang with, love and respect criminals?
NEWSFLASH: Illegal wetbacks are bad people.
"A wall does literally zero to reconcile this yet the enraged right conflates all of the illegal immigration issues into the border and the wall. It's not surprising considering they have an unstable oaf as their ideological leader."
A wall mitigates future illegal crossings....BUT we plan to eradicate the 20-50 million here currently as well. Sorry Gustavo.
Dems arent for open borders. They just added border security funding in the bill and have been open to that in general forever. Proof. So stfu about that sad lie. Only a few want to dissolve ice and probably dont understand what it does or are overreacting to the abuses. I believe theres a place for ICE, although they should focus on the bad ones committing more crimes beyond just being here, otherwise all the hate speech by trump is for not and decent humans may be terrorized and evicted. And who else would perform the specific duty? The reports of abuses are unacceptable, though, and the buck stops at trump and his hateful and violent rhetoric and poor leadership.
I dont want an easy path to citizenship for illegals, and I havent seen many prominent dems articulate that desire either. I think they should be documented in a new special class that would include a fine and that would not lead to citizenship at all but would encourage them to come out of the shadows. The incentive to overcome the fine of entering illegally would be to give them a legal status so long as they are meeting some benchmarks of success and not involved in criminal activity.
For the daca kids...its compelling but I don't think they should get citizenship easily either. Maybe they can pursue it once they become a successful adult and after those immigrating legally have been prioritized.
For anchor babies...i think a good compromise is to reform birthright citizenship to have some exclusions or long delays and other requirements. Theres a problem though that the baby might not have any citizenship anywhere, so there may be some stuff to work out there.
Another point of compromise I could get behind is a national citizen ID - or something like that - that could be used to verify election eligibility. It should be subsidized for the impoverished or everyone and should be excessively accessible so as not to become an illegal poll tax. This along with an adherence to its use in state and national elections are reasonable and should put to bed the unsubstantiated rumors of widespread voting - not registration - of illegals. It should also place squarely on Republicans the mantle of illegal electioneering through voter ID poll taxes, intimidation, partisan gerrymandering, roll tampering, and other hijinks that we've seen in the recent past. This is unacceptable in our representative democracy and needs to be outlawed permanently.
Legal immigration should be the clear preferred route and the new classification would carry little punishment but force them to pay taxes and account for activities and usage of public services. Would not allow them to vote for state or national candidates based in their status, but local elections maybe. Maybe work visas can be expanded. Do you get the idea? This isnt unreasonable stuff. Its a realistic approach since 10s of millions of people are flat not economically feasible to deport.
Illegals are illegal but it's not a terrible crime in itself. The legal route is too long while there is high demand for labor and willingness of american businesses to hire them. Simply stopping it and removing them all is unrealistic for a lot of reasons that not trump or anyone is addressing. And you'll never get them all out. Diminishing returns means the last few percent will be impossible to find and way too expenisve to anyway. Worse, the ones that stay hidden and continue crossing the border will probably be the connected criminals continuing on just fine while prepetrating all of the negative criminal aspects that trump disingenuously painted on all illegals.