Why can't Public Assistance increase?

[francoHFW]

I just want them to pay their their fair share- so do a lot of them, the good ones, the Dems, dupe.

The people who aren't "paying their fair share" of Federal income tax are the ones who pay NO income tax. Most of the people earning high incomes are not "wealthy" people, they are small business owners who, as a matter of federal law, file taxes as individuals. We have a lot of "wealthy" who earn dividends from investments and they pay taxes on it. It's taxed at a lower rate than earned income because we need to encourage investment. These "wealthy" people don't need to earn incomes... they are already wealthy. So we can either encourage them to use their wealth to invest in new businesses and such, or we can jack their tax rates on dividends up and watch them hoard their wealth or put it into municipal bonds which are tax free. If you want to tax investment in municipal bonds then you'll have to deal with entire cities collapsing due to lack of capital.

What you need to do is stop hating rich people... no poor person ever became wealthy by punishing wealthy people. That is simply a recipe for failure. And you also need to comprehend that we don't tax wealth in this country. People can be rich as shit and not pay one dime in taxes because they don't earn income. They've already paid their taxes when they earned their wealth. People who DO earn a lot of income are already being taxed at the highest rate while millions upon millions pay no federal income ta

Here you go scheiskobf...
The one tax graph you really need to know

Again... What you continue to do is to drag state and local taxes into an argument over Federal taxation. I can't do one thing in the world over what people in NY decide regarding their taxes... that's entirely up to them. You can't do anything about what Alabama people do with their taxes.... No law that we can ever pass at the Federal level is going to change how states handle their own taxes or municipalities, etc.

So why do you want to muddy the argument with something that has nothing to do with Federal taxation? Surely, you must understand (if you're not a retard) that we can't "make up for" what states do at the federal level. Your state may have extremely high state and local sales taxes, property taxes, etc. My state may have no such taxes... so why should I be forced to pay more Federal tax to offset what your state does? If I have no political power to tell your state not to have high taxes but you want to tax me at the federal level because of that... this is called "taxation without representation" and it's unconstitutional.

Taxes are taxes, dupe. And the wreck of the middle class is the wreck of the middle class. Brainwashed functional moron. Change the channel.

The Demise of the American Middle Class In Numbers.

Over the past 35 years the American dream has gradually disappeared. The process was slow, so most people didn’t notice. They just worked a few more hours, borrowed a little more and cut back on non-essentials. But looking at the numbers and comparing them over long time periods, it is obvious that things have changed drastically. Here are the details:

1. WORKERS PRODUCE MORE BUT THE GAINS GO TO BUSINESS.

Over the past 63 years worker productivity has grown by 2.0% per year.

But after 1980, workers received a smaller share every year. Labor’s share of income (1992 = 100%):

1950 = 101%
1960 = 105%
1970 = 105%
1980 = 105% – Reagan
1990 = 100%
2000 = 96%
2007 = 92%

A 13% drop since 1980

2. THE TOP 10% GET A LARGER SHARE.

Share of National Income going to Top 10%:

1950 = 35%
1960 = 34%
1970 = 34%
1980 = 34% – Reagan
1990 = 40%
2000 = 47%
2007 = 50%

An increase of 16% since Reagan.

3. WORKERS COMPENSATED FOR THE LOSS OF INCOME BY SPENDING THEIR SAVINGS.

The savings Rose up to Reagan and fell during and after.

1950 = 6.0%
1960 = 7.0%
1970 = 8.5%
1980 = 10.0% – Reagan
1982 = 11.2% – Peak
1990 = 7.0%
2000 = 2.0%
2006 = -1.1% (Negative = withdrawing from savings)

A 12.3% drop after Reagan.

4. WORKERS ALSO BORROWED TO MAKE UP FOR THE LOSS.

Household Debt as percentage of GDP:

1965 = 46%
1970 = 45%
1980 = 50% – Reagan
1990 = 61%
2000 = 69%
2007 = 95%

A 45% increase after 1980.

5. SO THE GAP BETWEEN THE RICHEST AND THE POOREST HAS GROWN.

Gap Between the Share of Capital Income earned by the top 1%
and the bottom 80%:

1980 = 10%
2003 = 56%

A 5.6 times increase.

6. AND THE AMERICAN DREAM IS GONE.

The Probably of Moving Up from the Bottom 40% to the Top 40%:

1945 = 12%
1958 = 6%
1990 = 3%
2000 = 2%

A 10% Decrease.

Links:

1 = ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/special.requests/pf/totalf1.txt
1 = https://www.clevelandfed.org/Research/PolicyDis/No7Nov04.pdf
1 = Clipboard01.jpg (image)
2 – Congratulations to Emmanuel Saez
3 = http://www.demos.org/inequality/images/charts/uspersonalsaving_thumb.gif
3 = U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA)
4 = Federated Prudent Bear Fund (A): Overview
4 = FRB: Z.1 Release--Financial Accounts of the United States--June 9, 2016
5/6 = 15 Mind-Blowing Facts About Wealth And Inequality In America

Overview = http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2010062415/reagan-revolution-home-roost-charts

Taxes are taxes duh, dupe.

The Demise of the American Middle Class In Numbers.

Over the past 60 years the American dream has gradually disappeared. The process was slow, so most people didn’t notice. They just worked a few more hours, borrowed a little more and cut back on non-essentials. But looking at the numbers and comparing them over long time periods, it is obvious that things have changed drastically. Here are the details:

1. WORKERS PRODUCE MORE BUT THE GAINS GO TO BUSINESS.

Over the past 63 years worker productivity has grown by 2.0% per year.

But after 1980, workers received a smaller share every year. Labor’s share of income (1992 = 100%):

1950 = 101%
1960 = 105%
1970 = 105%
1980 = 105% – Reagan
1990 = 100%
2000 = 96%
2007 = 92%

A 13% drop since 1980

2. THE TOP 10% GET A LARGER SHARE.

Share of National Income going to Top 10%:

1950 = 35%
1960 = 34%
1970 = 34%
1980 = 34% – Reagan
1990 = 40%
2000 = 47%
2007 = 50%

An increase of 16% since Reagan.

3. WORKERS COMPENSATED FOR THE LOSS OF INCOME BY SPENDING THEIR SAVINGS.

The savings Rose up to Reagan and fell during and after.

1950 = 6.0%
1960 = 7.0%
1970 = 8.5%
1980 = 10.0% – Reagan
1982 = 11.2% – Peak
1990 = 7.0%
2000 = 2.0%
2006 = -1.1% (Negative = withdrawing from savings)

A 12.3% drop after Reagan.

4. WORKERS ALSO BORROWED TO MAKE UP FOR THE LOSS.

Household Debt as percentage of GDP:

1965 = 46%
1970 = 45%
1980 = 50% – Reagan
1990 = 61%
2000 = 69%
2007 = 95%

A 45% increase after 1980.

5. SO THE GAP BETWEEN THE RICHEST AND THE POOREST HAS GROWN.

Gap Between the Share of Capital Income earned by the top 1%
and the bottom 80%:

1980 = 10%
2003 = 56%

A 5.6 times increase.

6. AND THE AMERICAN DREAM IS GONE.

The Probably of Moving Up from the Bottom 40% to the Top 40%:

1945 = 12%
1958 = 6%
1990 = 3%
2000 = 2%

A 10% Decrease.

Links:

1 = ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/special.requests/pf/totalf1.txt
1 = https://www.clevelandfed.org/Research/PolicyDis/No7Nov04.pdf
1 = Clipboard01.jpg (image)
2 – Congratulations to Emmanuel Saez
3 = http://www.demos.org/inequality/images/charts/uspersonalsaving_thumb.gif
3 = U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA)
4 = Federated Prudent Bear Fund (A): Overview
4 = FRB: Z.1 Release--Financial Accounts of the United States--June 9, 2016
5/6 = 15 Mind-Blowing Facts About Wealth And Inequality In America

Overview = http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2010062415/reagan-revolution-home-roost-charts

 

[francoHFW]

I just want them to pay their their fair share- so do a lot of them, the good ones, the Dems, dupe.

The people who aren't "paying their fair share" of Federal income tax are the ones who pay NO income tax. Most of the people earning high incomes are not "wealthy" people, they are small business owners who, as a matter of federal law, file taxes as individuals. We have a lot of "wealthy" who earn dividends from investments and they pay taxes on it. It's taxed at a lower rate than earned income because we need to encourage investment. These "wealthy" people don't need to earn incomes... they are already wealthy. So we can either encourage them to use their wealth to invest in new businesses and such, or we can jack their tax rates on dividends up and watch them hoard their wealth or put it into municipal bonds which are tax free. If you want to tax investment in municipal bonds then you'll have to deal with entire cities collapsing due to lack of capital.

What you need to do is stop hating rich people... no poor person ever became wealthy by punishing wealthy people. That is simply a recipe for failure. And you also need to comprehend that we don't tax wealth in this country. People can be rich as shit and not pay one dime in taxes because they don't earn income. They've already paid their taxes when they earned their wealth. People who DO earn a lot of income are already being taxed at the highest rate while millions upon millions pay no federal income taxes.

Screw your brainwashed obsession with fed income taxes. Can't you see how you've been cheated. When Reagan cut income taxes, he doubled payroll taxes. That's when this started. Then state and local taxes and fees ballooned to make up for less fed aid to states, and the middle class was wrecked over 30 years. and it just gets worse, dupes. And you think Obama policies did that. Totally duped. D'OH! probably when he had total control for 2 years. NOT! Change the gd channel...

 

[P@triot]

I just want them to pay their their fair share- so do a lot of them, the good ones, the Dems, dupe.

The people who aren't "paying their fair share" of Federal income tax are the ones who pay NO income tax. Most of the people earning high incomes are not "wealthy" people, they are small business owners who, as a matter of federal law, file taxes as individuals. We have a lot of "wealthy" who earn dividends from investments and they pay taxes on it. It's taxed at a lower rate than earned income because we need to encourage investment. These "wealthy" people don't need to earn incomes... they are already wealthy. So we can either encourage them to use their wealth to invest in new businesses and such, or we can jack their tax rates on dividends up and watch them hoard their wealth or put it into municipal bonds which are tax free. If you want to tax investment in municipal bonds then you'll have to deal with entire cities collapsing due to lack of capital.

What you need to do is stop hating rich people... no poor person ever became wealthy by punishing wealthy people. That is simply a recipe for failure. And you also need to comprehend that we don't tax wealth in this country. People can be rich as shit and not pay one dime in taxes because they don't earn income. They've already paid their taxes when they earned their wealth. People who DO earn a lot of income are already being taxed at the highest rate while millions upon millions pay no federal income ta

Here you go scheiskobf...
The one tax graph you really need to know

Again... What you continue to do is to drag state and local taxes into an argument over Federal taxation. I can't do one thing in the world over what people in NY decide regarding their taxes... that's entirely up to them. You can't do anything about what Alabama people do with their taxes.... No law that we can ever pass at the Federal level is going to change how states handle their own taxes or municipalities, etc.

So why do you want to muddy the argument with something that has nothing to do with Federal taxation? Surely, you must understand (if you're not a retard) that we can't "make up for" what states do at the federal level. Your state may have extremely high state and local sales taxes, property taxes, etc. My state may have no such taxes... so why should I be forced to pay more Federal tax to offset what your state does? If I have no political power to tell your state not to have high taxes but you want to tax me at the federal level because of that... this is called "taxation without representation" and it's unconstitutional.

Taxes are taxes, dupe. And the wreck of the middle class is the wreck of the middle class. Brainwashed functional moron. Change the channel.

The Demise of the American Middle Class In Numbers.

Over the past 35 years the American dream has gradually disappeared. The process was slow, so most people didn’t notice. They just worked a few more hours, borrowed a little more and cut back on non-essentials. But looking at the numbers and comparing them over long time periods, it is obvious that things have changed drastically. Here are the details:

1. WORKERS PRODUCE MORE BUT THE GAINS GO TO BUSINESS.

Over the past 63 years worker productivity has grown by 2.0% per year.

But after 1980, workers received a smaller share every year. Labor’s share of income (1992 = 100%):

1950 = 101%
1960 = 105%
1970 = 105%
1980 = 105% – Reagan
1990 = 100%
2000 = 96%
2007 = 92%

A 13% drop since 1980

2. THE TOP 10% GET A LARGER SHARE.

Share of National Income going to Top 10%:

1950 = 35%
1960 = 34%
1970 = 34%
1980 = 34% – Reagan
1990 = 40%
2000 = 47%
2007 = 50%

An increase of 16% since Reagan.

3. WORKERS COMPENSATED FOR THE LOSS OF INCOME BY SPENDING THEIR SAVINGS.

The savings Rose up to Reagan and fell during and after.

1950 = 6.0%
1960 = 7.0%
1970 = 8.5%
1980 = 10.0% – Reagan
1982 = 11.2% – Peak
1990 = 7.0%
2000 = 2.0%
2006 = -1.1% (Negative = withdrawing from savings)

A 12.3% drop after Reagan.

4. WORKERS ALSO BORROWED TO MAKE UP FOR THE LOSS.

Household Debt as percentage of GDP:

1965 = 46%
1970 = 45%
1980 = 50% – Reagan
1990 = 61%
2000 = 69%
2007 = 95%

A 45% increase after 1980.

5. SO THE GAP BETWEEN THE RICHEST AND THE POOREST HAS GROWN.

Gap Between the Share of Capital Income earned by the top 1%
and the bottom 80%:

1980 = 10%
2003 = 56%

A 5.6 times increase.

6. AND THE AMERICAN DREAM IS GONE.

The Probably of Moving Up from the Bottom 40% to the Top 40%:

1945 = 12%
1958 = 6%
1990 = 3%
2000 = 2%

A 10% Decrease.

Links:

1 = ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/special.requests/pf/totalf1.txt
1 = https://www.clevelandfed.org/Research/PolicyDis/No7Nov04.pdf
1 = Clipboard01.jpg (image)
2 – Congratulations to Emmanuel Saez
3 = http://www.demos.org/inequality/images/charts/uspersonalsaving_thumb.gif
3 = U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA)
4 = Federated Prudent Bear Fund (A): Overview
4 = FRB: Z.1 Release--Financial Accounts of the United States--June 9, 2016
5/6 = 15 Mind-Blowing Facts About Wealth And Inequality In America

Overview = http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2010062415/reagan-revolution-home-roost-charts

Taxes are taxes duh, dupe.

The Demise of the American Middle Class In Numbers.

Over the past 60 years the American dream has gradually disappeared. The process was slow, so most people didn’t notice. They just worked a few more hours, borrowed a little more and cut back on non-essentials. But looking at the numbers and comparing them over long time periods, it is obvious that things have changed drastically. Here are the details:

1. WORKERS PRODUCE MORE BUT THE GAINS GO TO BUSINESS.

Over the past 63 years worker productivity has grown by 2.0% per year.

But after 1980, workers received a smaller share every year. Labor’s share of income (1992 = 100%):

1950 = 101%
1960 = 105%
1970 = 105%
1980 = 105% – Reagan
1990 = 100%
2000 = 96%
2007 = 92%

A 13% drop since 1980

2. THE TOP 10% GET A LARGER SHARE.

Share of National Income going to Top 10%:

1950 = 35%
1960 = 34%
1970 = 34%
1980 = 34% – Reagan
1990 = 40%
2000 = 47%
2007 = 50%

An increase of 16% since Reagan.

3. WORKERS COMPENSATED FOR THE LOSS OF INCOME BY SPENDING THEIR SAVINGS.

The savings Rose up to Reagan and fell during and after.

1950 = 6.0%
1960 = 7.0%
1970 = 8.5%
1980 = 10.0% – Reagan
1982 = 11.2% – Peak
1990 = 7.0%
2000 = 2.0%
2006 = -1.1% (Negative = withdrawing from savings)

A 12.3% drop after Reagan.

4. WORKERS ALSO BORROWED TO MAKE UP FOR THE LOSS.

Household Debt as percentage of GDP:

1965 = 46%
1970 = 45%
1980 = 50% – Reagan
1990 = 61%
2000 = 69%
2007 = 95%

A 45% increase after 1980.

5. SO THE GAP BETWEEN THE RICHEST AND THE POOREST HAS GROWN.

Gap Between the Share of Capital Income earned by the top 1%
and the bottom 80%:

1980 = 10%
2003 = 56%

A 5.6 times increase.

6. AND THE AMERICAN DREAM IS GONE.

The Probably of Moving Up from the Bottom 40% to the Top 40%:

1945 = 12%
1958 = 6%
1990 = 3%
2000 = 2%

A 10% Decrease.

Links:

1 = ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/special.requests/pf/totalf1.txt
1 = https://www.clevelandfed.org/Research/PolicyDis/No7Nov04.pdf
1 = Clipboard01.jpg (image)
2 – Congratulations to Emmanuel Saez
3 = http://www.demos.org/inequality/images/charts/uspersonalsaving_thumb.gif
3 = U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA)
4 = Federated Prudent Bear Fund (A): Overview
4 = FRB: Z.1 Release--Financial Accounts of the United States--June 9, 2016
5/6 = 15 Mind-Blowing Facts About Wealth And Inequality In America

Overview = http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2010062415/reagan-revolution-home-roost-charts

It's simple...failed liberal ideology created the failed liberal policies which have devasted the middle class (the plan all along of the liberal radicals like Barack Obama who want as many people as possible on the government plantation).

 

[P@triot]

Screw your brainwashed obsession with fed income taxes. Can't you see how you've been cheated. When Reagan cut income taxes, he doubled payroll taxes. That's when this started. Then state and local taxes and fees ballooned to make up for less fed aid to states, and the middle class was wrecked over 30 years. and it just gets worse, dupes. And you think Obama policies did that. Totally duped. D'OH! probably when he had total control for 2 years. NOT! Change the gd channel...

There shouldn't even be "federal aid to states". That's not only unconstitutional- it's astoundingly ignorant. Can't you see the mind-boggling stupidity of pulling money from Pennsylvania all the way to Washington D.C., keeping some of it, wasting some of it, and then sending the rest back to Pennsylvania where it came from to begin with?!? That's a special kind of stupid.

“The welfare state is the oldest con game in the world. First you take people's money away quietly and then you give some of it back to them flamboyantly.” - Thomas Sowell

 

[francoHFW]

Screw your brainwashed obsession with fed income taxes. Can't you see how you've been cheated. When Reagan cut income taxes, he doubled payroll taxes. That's when this started. Then state and local taxes and fees ballooned to make up for less fed aid to states, and the middle class was wrecked over 30 years. and it just gets worse, dupes. And you think Obama policies did that. Totally duped. D'OH! probably when he had total control for 2 years. NOT! Change the gd channel...

There shouldn't even be "federal aid to states". That's not only unconstitutional- it's astoundingly ignorant. Can't you see the mind-boggling stupidity of pulling money from Pennsylvania all the way to Washington D.C., keeping some of it, wasting some of it, and then sending the rest back to Pennsylvania where it came from to begin with?!? That's a special kind of stupid.

“The welfare state is the oldest con game in the world. First you take people's money away quietly and then you give some of it back to them flamboyantly.” - Thomas Sowell

Sorry about reality, pie in the sky Pub dupe.

 

[Boss]

Taxes are taxes duh, dupe.

Well no.. taxes aren't all the same. What a dumb comment. And why are you re-posting the same propaganda? Are you going to now plaster the thread with your propaganda over and over in order to drowned-out all rational discourse?

The left constantly amazes me. You don't want to have a conversation, you want everyone to sit down and be lectured to and then agree with you. That's not a way to solve problems, it's a mental disorder and you need to seek help.

 

[Boss]

Screw your brainwashed obsession with fed income taxes. Can't you see how you've been cheated. When Reagan cut income taxes, he doubled payroll taxes. That's when this started. Then state and local taxes and fees ballooned to make up for less fed aid to states, and the middle class was wrecked over 30 years. and it just gets worse, dupes. And you think Obama policies did that. Totally duped. D'OH! probably when he had total control for 2 years. NOT! Change the gd channel...

I don't know what you think "payroll taxes" are but they are essentially pre-paid federal income taxes and your taxes to pay for social security, disability, unemployment, etc. I don't know of any aid Reagan cut to the states. Maybe somewhere he did but the whole point of supply-side economics was that you didn't need to massively cut spending. Lowering tax rates creates more economic prosperity and then you grow your way out of debt without having to make draconian cuts. His tax plan did broaden the tax base.

And again, the state and local taxes have nothing to do with federal income taxes. Some states have no income tax, some have no sales tax, some have higher taxes. Individuals in other states have no control over that but you seem to expect they should have to pay for it anyway. That's called taxation without representation. It's the very reason we declared independence from England. The colonists got tired of having their taxes jacked up to pay for England's debt... it resulted in dumping tea into the Boston Harbor and a Declaration of Independence.

Apparently, you are illiterate of history and now you want to pretend you're King George and you're ready to start another Revolution.

 

[francoHFW]

Taxes are taxes duh, dupe.

Well no.. taxes aren't all the same. What a dumb comment. And why are you re-posting the same propaganda? Are you going to now plaster the thread with your propaganda over and over in order to drowned-out all rational discourse?

The left constantly amazes me. You don't want to have a conversation, you want everyone to sit down and be lectured to and then agree with you. That's not a way to solve problems, it's a mental disorder and you need to seek help.

Taxes are taxes DUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. And facts are facts, and you ain't got them...

 

[francoHFW]

Screw your brainwashed obsession with fed income taxes. Can't you see how you've been cheated. When Reagan cut income taxes, he doubled payroll taxes. That's when this started. Then state and local taxes and fees ballooned to make up for less fed aid to states, and the middle class was wrecked over 30 years. and it just gets worse, dupes. And you think Obama policies did that. Totally duped. D'OH! probably when he had total control for 2 years. NOT! Change the gd channel...

I don't know what you think "payroll taxes" are but they are essentially pre-paid federal income taxes and your taxes to pay for social security, disability, unemployment, etc. I don't know of any aid Reagan cut to the states. Maybe somewhere he did but the whole point of supply-side economics was that you didn't need to massively cut spending. Lowering tax rates creates more economic prosperity and then you grow your way out of debt without having to make draconian cuts. His tax plan did broaden the tax base.

And again, the state and local taxes have nothing to do with federal income taxes. Some states have no income tax, some have no sales tax, some have higher taxes. Individuals in other states have no control over that but you seem to expect they should have to pay for it anyway. That's called taxation without representation. It's the very reason we declared independence from England. The colonists got tired of having their taxes jacked up to pay for England's debt... it resulted in dumping tea into the Boston Harbor and a Declaration of Independence.

Apparently, you are illiterate of history and now you want to pretend you're King George and you're ready to start another Revolution.

Masters in History. You? Masters in RW bs propaganda. Taxes are taxes, after 30 years of voodoo, state and local are killing the nonrich, along with payroll and fees. try facts someday.

 

[francoHFW]

Screw your brainwashed obsession with fed income taxes. Can't you see how you've been cheated. When Reagan cut income taxes, he doubled payroll taxes. That's when this started. Then state and local taxes and fees ballooned to make up for less fed aid to states, and the middle class was wrecked over 30 years. and it just gets worse, dupes. And you think Obama policies did that. Totally duped. D'OH! probably when he had total control for 2 years. NOT! Change the gd channel...

I don't know what you think "payroll taxes" are but they are essentially pre-paid federal income taxes and your taxes to pay for social security, disability, unemployment, etc. I don't know of any aid Reagan cut to the states. Maybe somewhere he did but the whole point of supply-side economics was that you didn't need to massively cut spending. Lowering tax rates creates more economic prosperity and then you grow your way out of debt without having to make draconian cuts. His tax plan did broaden the tax base.

And again, the state and local taxes have nothing to do with federal income taxes. Some states have no income tax, some have no sales tax, some have higher taxes. Individuals in other states have no control over that but you seem to expect they should have to pay for it anyway. That's called taxation without representation. It's the very reason we declared independence from England. The colonists got tired of having their taxes jacked up to pay for England's debt... it resulted in dumping tea into the Boston Harbor and a Declaration of Independence.

Apparently, you are illiterate of history and now you want to pretend you're King George and you're ready to start another Revolution.

I thought SS was dead? Jeebus what a pile of crap...I showed you how much those taxes were, and you come back with classic brainwashed ignorance. Grow up.

 

[Boss]

Taxes are taxes DUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. And facts are facts, and you ain't got them...

Again... No... taxes most certainly aren't taxes. There are all kinds, shapes and sizes. There are local taxes, state taxes, federal taxes. Some taxes are for schools, some are for excise, some are to pay for infrastructure, some are for proceeds from estates, some are for businesses and some for individuals. Some taxes, we all pay, others are regressive. All taxes are different. Depending on what state and city you live in, your taxes can vary widely. So what the fuck do you mean "taxes are taxes?"

And so far, I am the only one presenting FACTS... you continue to spew left-wing Marxist-Socialist propaganda.

 

[Boss]

I thought SS was dead? Jeebus what a pile of crap...I showed you how much those taxes were, and you come back with classic brainwashed ignorance. Grow up

Oh really? You thought people didn't pay SS taxes anymore?

 

[Boss]

Masters in History. You?

Then you should know what "taxation without representation" means... but apparently you don't.

 

[Rustic]

I just want them to pay their their fair share- so do a lot of them, the good ones, the Dems, dupe.

The people who aren't "paying their fair share" of Federal income tax are the ones who pay NO income tax. Most of the people earning high incomes are not "wealthy" people, they are small business owners who, as a matter of federal law, file taxes as individuals. We have a lot of "wealthy" who earn dividends from investments and they pay taxes on it. It's taxed at a lower rate than earned income because we need to encourage investment. These "wealthy" people don't need to earn incomes... they are already wealthy. So we can either encourage them to use their wealth to invest in new businesses and such, or we can jack their tax rates on dividends up and watch them hoard their wealth or put it into municipal bonds which are tax free. If you want to tax investment in municipal bonds then you'll have to deal with entire cities collapsing due to lack of capital.

What you need to do is stop hating rich people... no poor person ever became wealthy by punishing wealthy people. That is simply a recipe for failure. And you also need to comprehend that we don't tax wealth in this country. People can be rich as shit and not pay one dime in taxes because they don't earn income. They've already paid their taxes when they earned their wealth. People who DO earn a lot of income are already being taxed at the highest rate while millions upon millions pay no federal income taxes.

Screw your brainwashed obsession with fed income taxes. Can't you see how you've been cheated. When Reagan cut income taxes, he doubled payroll taxes. That's when this started. Then state and local taxes and fees ballooned to make up for less fed aid to states, and the middle class was wrecked over 30 years. and it just gets worse, dupes. And you think Obama policies did that. Totally duped. D'OH! probably when he had total control for 2 years. NOT! Change the gd channel...

Here's an old Indian proverb that applies to you - it is easy to be brave at a distance, and safe...

 

[Boss]

Taxes are taxes, after 30 years of voodoo, state and local are killing the nonrich, along with payroll and fees. try facts someday.

Well, we've had payroll taxes since way before Reagan. And Reagan had nothing to do with your state and local taxes. Hey... I am all for eliminating all payroll taxes... let's have the Fair Tax where we tax based on consumption.

State and local taxes are a different matter. You've got to talk to the people of your state about those, I can't help you. You see, in MY state, whenever the politicians start proposing massive tax increases to pay for pie-in-the-sky nonsense, we throw them out of office and vote in conservatives. I shouldn't have to pay for your state's fuck ups, that's your responsibility.

 

[Conservative65]

Here you go scheiskobf...
The one tax graph you really need to know

Again... What you continue to do is to drag state and local taxes into an argument over Federal taxation. I can't do one thing in the world over what people in NY decide regarding their taxes... that's entirely up to them. You can't do anything about what Alabama people do with their taxes.... No law that we can ever pass at the Federal level is going to change how states handle their own taxes or municipalities, etc.

So why do you want to muddy the argument with something that has nothing to do with Federal taxation? Surely, you must understand (if you're not a retard) that we can't "make up for" what states do at the federal level. Your state may have extremely high state and local sales taxes, property taxes, etc. My state may have no such taxes... so why should I be forced to pay more Federal tax to offset what your state does? If I have no political power to tell your state not to have high taxes but you want to tax me at the federal level because of that... this is called "taxation without representation" and it's unconstitutional.

I didn't bring that up but using state taxes as part of the argument when every state's different makes his argument invalid.

By the way, did you notice that he said EVERYONE paid between 20 - 30% yet the 0 - 20 group (far left) totals only 17.3%. He demand I stfu now. Wonder what his excuse will be after pointing out his error.

Add all gov't fees and it'll be close. Your blind allegiance to the greedy idiot rich is touching, dupe.

YOU'RE the one that made the claim EVERYONE paid between 20 - 30% and went on and on and on and on about having a source that proved it. When you finally provided the source, it didn't do what you ranted and raved about it doing. Rather than saying you were wrong, and you clearly are, you make some excuse. The sad part is your excuse after being proven wrong is a back step to ALMOST and includes something about adding in other fees the chart says nothing about. Since you were proven wrong using your own source, I suggest you STFU before I embarrass you AGAIN.

The only dupe is the one that claimed his source said something it eventually didn't then rather than admitting error, you make excuses. Didn't you say you were a teacher? I hope you didn't teach the students you had as poorly as you defended your claim.

 

[Conservative65]

Taxes are taxes, after 30 years of voodoo, state and local are killing the nonrich, along with payroll and fees. try facts someday.

Well, we've had payroll taxes since way before Reagan. And Reagan had nothing to do with your state and local taxes. Hey... I am all for eliminating all payroll taxes... let's have the Fair Tax where we tax based on consumption.

State and local taxes are a different matter. You've got to talk to the people of your state about those, I can't help you. You see, in MY state, whenever the politicians start proposing massive tax increases to pay for pie-in-the-sky nonsense, we throw them out of office and vote in conservatives. I shouldn't have to pay for your state's fuck ups, that's your responsibility.

Franco lost what little credibility he had with me. He kept saying everyone paid between 20 - 30% in taxes. He even claimed he had a source proving it. I asked several times for him to provide it and when he finally did, one of the categories only added up to just over 17% with federal and state/local combined. I addressed that his source didn't show what he claimed. Rather than being a honorable person and admitting error, he said when you add in fees, it's ALMOST 20 for that group then made some comment about how he thought I showed blind allegiance to the rich. Not very honorable on his part.

He claims to have been a teacher. No wonder some of the students coming out of the public schools today can't do basic skills. With people like him, I'm not surprised.

 

[Conservative65]

Here you go scheiskobf...
The one tax graph you really need to know

The top groups still pay an overall higher percentage of their income than lower groups. It's a fact. Lower income don't pay their fair share.

Ridiculous. They pay LESS than the middle class, and you want to go after the poor LOL. And all the new wealth stays with the top 1%. You're wrong, brainwashed, and proud of it...

YOUR source shows what I said. It doesn't even show what you ranted and raved about it showing. I've proven that and you still won't admit the error of YOUR claim that everyone paid between 20 - 30%.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Franco lost what little credibility he had with me. He kept saying everyone paid between 20 - 30% in taxes. He even claimed he had a source proving it. I asked several times for him to provide it and when he finally did, one of the categories only added up to just over 17% with federal and state/local combined. I addressed that his source didn't show what he claimed. Rather than being a honorable person and admitting error, he said when you add in fees, it's ALMOST 20 for that group then made some comment about how he thought I showed blind allegiance to the rich. Not very honorable on his part.

He claims to have been a teacher. No wonder some of the students coming out of the public schools today can't do basic skills. With people like him, I'm not surprised.

Franko says a lot of things (like being a teacher) that are more than likely another lie. How smart do you have to be to be a teacher when you constantly blame a President that left office almost three decades ago for the problems we are experiencing today?

I've paid taxes my entire working life. My taxes are more complicated now because I have to file a long form and it takes my tax preparer almost an hour to complete, and I do all the addition, separation, and gathering of numbers for her. So I know quite well what taxes are. But WTF are fees? Is that something other states have that we don't? Fees for what???

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

When Reagan cut income taxes, he doubled payroll taxes.