Why do democrats hate poor black people and want them permanently on welfare?

[BrokeLoser]

I am for enforcing the immigration laws already on our books. I am for making American businesses successful and creating jobs for American citizens. Are you opposed to either of those concepts? if so, why?

So what will happen when all the cheap labor is gone?

supply and demand will set the price of labor---------as it should. If an orange farmer can only get his fruit picked for $10/hour that's what he will have to pay. Econ 101, try it.

So as you said:
when prices go up, sales go down. Then he doesn't need as many workers.

I think you get it. forcing wages up destroys the economy. there may be hope for you.

Based on your arguments kicking out immigrants will destroy our economy. You are for that?

We now have laws to protect workers from the abuses that the unions were started to deal with. The only things unions do today is make the union bosses rich and funnel money to the democrat party. How much do you think your oranges would cost if there was an orange pickers union?

Union workers make more whether we are talking auto workers or teachers. More good jobs drives an economy.

do you understand that if an employer has to pay his workers more, he has to raise his prices? when prices go up, sales go down. Then he doesn't need as many workers.

its pretty basic, it amazes me that you libs don't get it.

Are you for kicking out immigrants? Tariffs?

I am for enforcing the immigration laws already on our books. I am for making American businesses successful and creating jobs for American citizens. Are you opposed to either of those concepts? if so, why?

Do you realize that a lot of Americans make a lot of money because of the low cost of labor by illegal immigrants?

In fact, anyone who believes in 'Free Market' would believe that government should not interfere with immigration at all. If there's a market demand for immigrant labor, the government should not stand in the way.

I do not ascribe to this idea, but I'm just pointing out the inconsistency in 'Conservative' thinking. They say they are for 'free market' yet they are against NAFTA and free trade with China as well as immigration.

So is you're comment about 'making American business successful AND cerating jobs for Americans". that is contrsdictory. I know it makes for a good sound bite, but in fact removing illegal immigrants and forcing employers to only hire legal Americans means that many employers will go out of business. Many more will see a reduction in profits.

I have a guitar, manufactured in San Diego, that says "Made in U.S.A". It should say "Made in the U.S.A. by Mexican Immigrants"

Shit fellas....I'm thinking we should just go pluck some Zulus from the jungles...pay them a dollar a day. We could really make some rich mother-fuckers that way...huh? Whatta ya say?

 

[Redfish]

". . . . . . Furthermore, approximately 8.9% of California residents live in poverty, the highest of any state. Despite this, the number of people immigrating to California increases exponentially each year."

US Poverty Level By State

Louisiana has a poverty rate of 23%, Mississippi - 22%

California isn't even in the top 10 of the highest poverty rate in the US.

Given that the National poverty rate in 2014 was 14.8% of the population, how could 8.9% be the highest poverty rate of any State?

Your study from an anti-immigrant website is a piece of shit. If it's basic premises is based on false or misleading information, how good can it's conclusions be.

do you understand the difference between legal immigrant and illegal alien? If you don't, then you have no place in this discussion. No one opposes controlled legal immigration.

only idiots like you want unlimited illegal immigration.

Paperwork

Easy enough fix

so your plan is to ignore violations of your laws and make everyone legal. unlimited? do we let everyone in? are there any limits?

how about if we ignore all laws that we don't like. I don't like having to drive 65 on the interstate, why cant I drive 85 if I think that law is stupid?

but seriously, how much immigration is too much? would you put any limits on it?

 

[Richard-H]

Are you for kicking out immigrants? Tariffs?

I am for enforcing the immigration laws already on our books. I am for making American businesses successful and creating jobs for American citizens. Are you opposed to either of those concepts? if so, why?

So what will happen when all the cheap labor is gone?

supply and demand will set the price of labor---------as it should. If an orange farmer can only get his fruit picked for $10/hour that's what he will have to pay. Econ 101, try it.

So as you said:
when prices go up, sales go down. Then he doesn't need as many workers.

I think you get it. forcing wages up destroys the economy. there may be hope for you.

Actually forcing wages up does not destroy the economy. It causing economic growth.

Even the economic theory know as 'supply side' promotes the idea that the more money workers get the more demand for product which increases profits. That gives the employers the opportuniyy to invest more which in turn means paying more money to workers.

The unfortunate thing about supply side is that even though employers get more money and have the opportunity to invest in high growth investments that create jobs, usually they do not. They'd rather invest in highly secure low growth investments that do not create jobs. So it falls apart, bu tnot becuase workers getting more money doesn't stimulate the economy.

 

[Richard-H]

". . . . . . Furthermore, approximately 8.9% of California residents live in poverty, the highest of any state. Despite this, the number of people immigrating to California increases exponentially each year."

US Poverty Level By State

Louisiana has a poverty rate of 23%, Mississippi - 22%

California isn't even in the top 10 of the highest poverty rate in the US.

Given that the National poverty rate in 2014 was 14.8% of the population, how could 8.9% be the highest poverty rate of any State?

Your study from an anti-immigrant website is a piece of shit. If it's basic premises is based on false or misleading information, how good can it's conclusions be.

do you understand the difference between legal immigrant and illegal alien? If you don't, then you have no place in this discussion. No one opposes controlled legal immigration.

only idiots like you want unlimited illegal immigration.

Paperwork

Easy enough fix

so your plan is to ignore violations of your laws and make everyone legal. unlimited? do we let everyone in? are there any limits?

how about if we ignore all laws that we don't like. I don't like having to drive 65 on the interstate, why cant I drive 85 if I think that law is stupid?

but seriously, how much immigration is too much? would you put any limits on it?

The solution to the immigration problem is called 'Comprehensive Immigration Reform'. That means studying the immigration system and policies and changing them so that they work better for everyone.

republicans are against 'Comprehensive Immigration Reform' because they need an immigration crisis as a political football.

 

[Redfish]

The majority of people on government assistance are working poor. These assistance programs benefit their employers more than the recipients.

If you want to reduce welfare pay outs, insist that employers pay a living wage.

define "living wage". How much per hour is a living wage? Is it the same in manhattan as in cow crossing Texas? Is it the same for a single person as for a father of 4? Who decides?

Most large corporations vary their salaries based on the cost of living in the area, so minimum wage should be indexed by the cost of living in an area.

Minimum wage should pay enough for the employee to pay for the basics plus enough to support 2 children.

That would be housing, food, clothing, transportation and medical insurance, plus a small amount for other things like books.

The fact is that as long as employers do not pay enough for these things, we the tax payers have to pay for them.

move to north korea or Venezuela. they have the system that you admire so much.

but you dodged the question. Who decides what is a living wage for any individual? Does a female get more if she keeps having kids? what kind of housing? what kind of food? what kind of medical insurance? minimal or what the person "wants" ?

none of this shit is as easy as you libs want to make it.

Why not just guarantee every American an annual income of 100K whether they work or not? Sound "fair"? CEOs and orange pickers get the same pay, the ultimate socialist utopia, right? Now, would anyone work hard in such a system? would anyone even work?

Once again another gross exaggeration by a wing nut.

I only have to look to Canada or Australia for the system I described.

No, I didn't dodge your question. Please reread my message and try to comprehend it this time.

Canada and Australia don't guarantee a minimum income. They have welfare systems just like we do.

you want to use tax revenue to equalize incomes. You want to punish success and reward failure. Marx would be proud. Have you told Oprah that she will have to give 3/4 of what she has to poor people?

 

[Brain357]

So what will happen when all the cheap labor is gone?

supply and demand will set the price of labor---------as it should. If an orange farmer can only get his fruit picked for $10/hour that's what he will have to pay. Econ 101, try it.

So as you said:
when prices go up, sales go down. Then he doesn't need as many workers.

I think you get it. forcing wages up destroys the economy. there may be hope for you.

Based on your arguments kicking out immigrants will destroy our economy. You are for that?

totally wrong. Kicking out illegal immigrants will strengthen our economy by putting americans in those jobs. maybe at slightly higher hourly rates and that may drive some prices up. But we will no longer be spending billions providing welfare, medical care, and schooling for those here illegally.

I just do not understand why you libs condone people being in OUR country illegally. No other country in the world allows that, and the ones that have allowed massive legal immigration are being torn apart, look at what is happening in Germany.

So your own arguments are totally wrong? Go figure. You seem really confused.

 

[Redfish]

". . . . . . Furthermore, approximately 8.9% of California residents live in poverty, the highest of any state. Despite this, the number of people immigrating to California increases exponentially each year."

US Poverty Level By State

Louisiana has a poverty rate of 23%, Mississippi - 22%

California isn't even in the top 10 of the highest poverty rate in the US.

Given that the National poverty rate in 2014 was 14.8% of the population, how could 8.9% be the highest poverty rate of any State?

Your study from an anti-immigrant website is a piece of shit. If it's basic premises is based on false or misleading information, how good can it's conclusions be.

do you understand the difference between legal immigrant and illegal alien? If you don't, then you have no place in this discussion. No one opposes controlled legal immigration.

only idiots like you want unlimited illegal immigration.

Paperwork

Easy enough fix

so your plan is to ignore violations of your laws and make everyone legal. unlimited? do we let everyone in? are there any limits?

how about if we ignore all laws that we don't like. I don't like having to drive 65 on the interstate, why cant I drive 85 if I think that law is stupid?

but seriously, how much immigration is too much? would you put any limits on it?

The solution to the immigration problem is called 'Comprehensive Immigration Reform'. That means studying the immigration system and policies and changing them so that they work better for everyone.

republicans are against 'Comprehensive Immigration Reform' because they need an immigration crisis as a political football.

bullshit. the GOP has been pushing for some comprehensive humane changes for years. the dems have resisted for fear of losing votes. You must have gone to a liberal college in the northeast or California, right?

 

[Richard-H]

So what will happen when all the cheap labor is gone?

supply and demand will set the price of labor---------as it should. If an orange farmer can only get his fruit picked for $10/hour that's what he will have to pay. Econ 101, try it.

So as you said:
when prices go up, sales go down. Then he doesn't need as many workers.

I think you get it. forcing wages up destroys the economy. there may be hope for you.

Based on your arguments kicking out immigrants will destroy our economy. You are for that?

Union workers make more whether we are talking auto workers or teachers. More good jobs drives an economy.

do you understand that if an employer has to pay his workers more, he has to raise his prices? when prices go up, sales go down. Then he doesn't need as many workers.

its pretty basic, it amazes me that you libs don't get it.

Are you for kicking out immigrants? Tariffs?

I am for enforcing the immigration laws already on our books. I am for making American businesses successful and creating jobs for American citizens. Are you opposed to either of those concepts? if so, why?

Do you realize that a lot of Americans make a lot of money because of the low cost of labor by illegal immigrants?

In fact, anyone who believes in 'Free Market' would believe that government should not interfere with immigration at all. If there's a market demand for immigrant labor, the government should not stand in the way.

I do not ascribe to this idea, but I'm just pointing out the inconsistency in 'Conservative' thinking. They say they are for 'free market' yet they are against NAFTA and free trade with China as well as immigration.

So is you're comment about 'making American business successful AND cerating jobs for Americans". that is contrsdictory. I know it makes for a good sound bite, but in fact removing illegal immigrants and forcing employers to only hire legal Americans means that many employers will go out of business. Many more will see a reduction in profits.

I have a guitar, manufactured in San Diego, that says "Made in U.S.A". It should say "Made in the U.S.A. by Mexican Immigrants"

Shit fellas....I'm thinking we should just go pluck some Zulus from the jungles...pay them a dollar a day. We could really make some rich mother-fuckers that way...huh? Whatta ya say?

Wow, you've just told the story of the history of Western economics in a nutshell!

Or are you saying that you are against free market economics?

 

[Brain357]

Union workers make more whether we are talking auto workers or teachers. More good jobs drives an economy.

do you understand that if an employer has to pay his workers more, he has to raise his prices? when prices go up, sales go down. Then he doesn't need as many workers.

its pretty basic, it amazes me that you libs don't get it.

Are you for kicking out immigrants? Tariffs?

I am for enforcing the immigration laws already on our books. I am for making American businesses successful and creating jobs for American citizens. Are you opposed to either of those concepts? if so, why?

So what will happen when all the cheap labor is gone?

Employers will have to increase wages of American workers.

So prices will go up, sales down. And then fewer workers needed?

 

[Redfish]

supply and demand will set the price of labor---------as it should. If an orange farmer can only get his fruit picked for $10/hour that's what he will have to pay. Econ 101, try it.

So as you said:
when prices go up, sales go down. Then he doesn't need as many workers.

I think you get it. forcing wages up destroys the economy. there may be hope for you.

Based on your arguments kicking out immigrants will destroy our economy. You are for that?

totally wrong. Kicking out illegal immigrants will strengthen our economy by putting americans in those jobs. maybe at slightly higher hourly rates and that may drive some prices up. But we will no longer be spending billions providing welfare, medical care, and schooling for those here illegally.

I just do not understand why you libs condone people being in OUR country illegally. No other country in the world allows that, and the ones that have allowed massive legal immigration are being torn apart, look at what is happening in Germany.

So your own arguments are totally wrong? Go figure. You seem really confused.

nothing inconsistent in anything I have said. Jobs being taken today by illegals should be done by americans. If the American refuses to do the job for what it pays, then he/she is on his/her own. The country does not owe you a living, a living wage, medical insurance, a cell phone, or a job. Freedom, real freedom, includes both the freedom to succeed and the freedom to fail. participation trophies destroy people and civilizations.

 

[Redfish]

do you understand that if an employer has to pay his workers more, he has to raise his prices? when prices go up, sales go down. Then he doesn't need as many workers.

its pretty basic, it amazes me that you libs don't get it.

Are you for kicking out immigrants? Tariffs?

I am for enforcing the immigration laws already on our books. I am for making American businesses successful and creating jobs for American citizens. Are you opposed to either of those concepts? if so, why?

So what will happen when all the cheap labor is gone?

Employers will have to increase wages of American workers.

So prices will go up, sales down. And then fewer workers needed?

yes, until demand increases and prices can be raised. again, econ 101.

 

[Richard-H]

US Poverty Level By State

Louisiana has a poverty rate of 23%, Mississippi - 22%

California isn't even in the top 10 of the highest poverty rate in the US.

Given that the National poverty rate in 2014 was 14.8% of the population, how could 8.9% be the highest poverty rate of any State?

Your study from an anti-immigrant website is a piece of shit. If it's basic premises is based on false or misleading information, how good can it's conclusions be.

do you understand the difference between legal immigrant and illegal alien? If you don't, then you have no place in this discussion. No one opposes controlled legal immigration.

only idiots like you want unlimited illegal immigration.

Paperwork

Easy enough fix

so your plan is to ignore violations of your laws and make everyone legal. unlimited? do we let everyone in? are there any limits?

how about if we ignore all laws that we don't like. I don't like having to drive 65 on the interstate, why cant I drive 85 if I think that law is stupid?

but seriously, how much immigration is too much? would you put any limits on it?

The solution to the immigration problem is called 'Comprehensive Immigration Reform'. That means studying the immigration system and policies and changing them so that they work better for everyone.

republicans are against 'Comprehensive Immigration Reform' because they need an immigration crisis as a political football.

bullshit. the GOP has been pushing for some comprehensive humane changes for years. the dems have resisted for fear of losing votes. You must have gone to a liberal college in the northeast or California, right?

The only solution that Republicans have offered is Donald Trump's solution. They have never been willing to negotiate within recent years.

And BTW, I went to Engineering School. No politics at all.

 

[Redfish]

supply and demand will set the price of labor---------as it should. If an orange farmer can only get his fruit picked for $10/hour that's what he will have to pay. Econ 101, try it.

So as you said:
when prices go up, sales go down. Then he doesn't need as many workers.

I think you get it. forcing wages up destroys the economy. there may be hope for you.

Based on your arguments kicking out immigrants will destroy our economy. You are for that?

do you understand that if an employer has to pay his workers more, he has to raise his prices? when prices go up, sales go down. Then he doesn't need as many workers.

its pretty basic, it amazes me that you libs don't get it.

Are you for kicking out immigrants? Tariffs?

I am for enforcing the immigration laws already on our books. I am for making American businesses successful and creating jobs for American citizens. Are you opposed to either of those concepts? if so, why?

Do you realize that a lot of Americans make a lot of money because of the low cost of labor by illegal immigrants?

In fact, anyone who believes in 'Free Market' would believe that government should not interfere with immigration at all. If there's a market demand for immigrant labor, the government should not stand in the way.

I do not ascribe to this idea, but I'm just pointing out the inconsistency in 'Conservative' thinking. They say they are for 'free market' yet they are against NAFTA and free trade with China as well as immigration.

So is you're comment about 'making American business successful AND cerating jobs for Americans". that is contrsdictory. I know it makes for a good sound bite, but in fact removing illegal immigrants and forcing employers to only hire legal Americans means that many employers will go out of business. Many more will see a reduction in profits.

I have a guitar, manufactured in San Diego, that says "Made in U.S.A". It should say "Made in the U.S.A. by Mexican Immigrants"

Shit fellas....I'm thinking we should just go pluck some Zulus from the jungles...pay them a dollar a day. We could really make some rich mother-fuckers that way...huh? Whatta ya say?

Wow, you've just told the story of the history of Western economics in a nutshell!

Or are you saying that you are against free market economics?

He was joking, why do no liberals have a sense of humor?

 

[Brain357]

So as you said:
when prices go up, sales go down. Then he doesn't need as many workers.

I think you get it. forcing wages up destroys the economy. there may be hope for you.

Based on your arguments kicking out immigrants will destroy our economy. You are for that?

totally wrong. Kicking out illegal immigrants will strengthen our economy by putting americans in those jobs. maybe at slightly higher hourly rates and that may drive some prices up. But we will no longer be spending billions providing welfare, medical care, and schooling for those here illegally.

I just do not understand why you libs condone people being in OUR country illegally. No other country in the world allows that, and the ones that have allowed massive legal immigration are being torn apart, look at what is happening in Germany.

So your own arguments are totally wrong? Go figure. You seem really confused.

nothing inconsistent in anything I have said. Jobs being taken today by illegals should be done by americans. If the American refuses to do the job for what it pays, then he/she is on his/her own. The country does not owe you a living, a living wage, medical insurance, a cell phone, or a job. Freedom, real freedom, includes both the freedom to succeed and the freedom to fail. participation trophies destroy people and civilizations.

You said forcing wages up would destroy the economy. Eliminating cheap immigrant labor would do that.

 

[Redfish]

do you understand the difference between legal immigrant and illegal alien? If you don't, then you have no place in this discussion. No one opposes controlled legal immigration.

only idiots like you want unlimited illegal immigration.

Paperwork

Easy enough fix

so your plan is to ignore violations of your laws and make everyone legal. unlimited? do we let everyone in? are there any limits?

how about if we ignore all laws that we don't like. I don't like having to drive 65 on the interstate, why cant I drive 85 if I think that law is stupid?

but seriously, how much immigration is too much? would you put any limits on it?

The solution to the immigration problem is called 'Comprehensive Immigration Reform'. That means studying the immigration system and policies and changing them so that they work better for everyone.

republicans are against 'Comprehensive Immigration Reform' because they need an immigration crisis as a political football.

bullshit. the GOP has been pushing for some comprehensive humane changes for years. the dems have resisted for fear of losing votes. You must have gone to a liberal college in the northeast or California, right?

The only solution that Republicans have offered is Donald Trump's solution. They have never been willing to negotiate within recent years.

And BTW, I went to Engineering School. No politics at all.

Not even close to being true. the dems refuse to address anything but open borders and complete amnesty, including sanctuary cities that harbor criminals.

engineer, eh? what happens if you put 220 to a 110 motor? same thing that happens when you pay a burger flipper $15/hour.

 

[Redfish]

I think you get it. forcing wages up destroys the economy. there may be hope for you.

Based on your arguments kicking out immigrants will destroy our economy. You are for that?

totally wrong. Kicking out illegal immigrants will strengthen our economy by putting americans in those jobs. maybe at slightly higher hourly rates and that may drive some prices up. But we will no longer be spending billions providing welfare, medical care, and schooling for those here illegally.

I just do not understand why you libs condone people being in OUR country illegally. No other country in the world allows that, and the ones that have allowed massive legal immigration are being torn apart, look at what is happening in Germany.

So your own arguments are totally wrong? Go figure. You seem really confused.

nothing inconsistent in anything I have said. Jobs being taken today by illegals should be done by americans. If the American refuses to do the job for what it pays, then he/she is on his/her own. The country does not owe you a living, a living wage, medical insurance, a cell phone, or a job. Freedom, real freedom, includes both the freedom to succeed and the freedom to fail. participation trophies destroy people and civilizations.

You said forcing wages up would destroy the economy. Eliminating cheap immigrant labor would do that.

and in the short term that is exactly what would happen. But if americans earned the same as the illegals, then the economy would flourish and new jobs would open up for those same americans. an over supply of labor is why wages are low, balance supply and demand and everything works. Even John Maynard Keynes agreed with that.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

do you understand that if an employer has to pay his workers more, he has to raise his prices? when prices go up, sales go down. Then he doesn't need as many workers.

its pretty basic, it amazes me that you libs don't get it.

Are you for kicking out immigrants? Tariffs?

I am for enforcing the immigration laws already on our books. I am for making American businesses successful and creating jobs for American citizens. Are you opposed to either of those concepts? if so, why?

So what will happen when all the cheap labor is gone?

Employers will have to increase wages of American workers.

So prices will go up, sales down. And then fewer workers needed?

Some prices will go up, some will go down.
Some industries will employ more workers, some will employ fewer.
America wages will rise, illegal aliens will see their wages fall.

 

[Brain357]

Are you for kicking out immigrants? Tariffs?

I am for enforcing the immigration laws already on our books. I am for making American businesses successful and creating jobs for American citizens. Are you opposed to either of those concepts? if so, why?

So what will happen when all the cheap labor is gone?

Employers will have to increase wages of American workers.

So prices will go up, sales down. And then fewer workers needed?

yes, until demand increases and prices can be raised. again, econ 101.

So they is bad for unions, but good for kicking out immigrants? Do you always contradict yourself?

 

[Brain357]

Are you for kicking out immigrants? Tariffs?

I am for enforcing the immigration laws already on our books. I am for making American businesses successful and creating jobs for American citizens. Are you opposed to either of those concepts? if so, why?

So what will happen when all the cheap labor is gone?

Employers will have to increase wages of American workers.

So prices will go up, sales down. And then fewer workers needed?

Some prices will go up, some will go down.
Some industries will employ more workers, some will employ fewer.
America wages will rise, illegal aliens will see their wages fall.

We will import more goods.

 

[BrokeLoser]

supply and demand will set the price of labor---------as it should. If an orange farmer can only get his fruit picked for $10/hour that's what he will have to pay. Econ 101, try it.

So as you said:
when prices go up, sales go down. Then he doesn't need as many workers.

I think you get it. forcing wages up destroys the economy. there may be hope for you.

Based on your arguments kicking out immigrants will destroy our economy. You are for that?

do you understand that if an employer has to pay his workers more, he has to raise his prices? when prices go up, sales go down. Then he doesn't need as many workers.

its pretty basic, it amazes me that you libs don't get it.

Are you for kicking out immigrants? Tariffs?

I am for enforcing the immigration laws already on our books. I am for making American businesses successful and creating jobs for American citizens. Are you opposed to either of those concepts? if so, why?

Do you realize that a lot of Americans make a lot of money because of the low cost of labor by illegal immigrants?

In fact, anyone who believes in 'Free Market' would believe that government should not interfere with immigration at all. If there's a market demand for immigrant labor, the government should not stand in the way.

I do not ascribe to this idea, but I'm just pointing out the inconsistency in 'Conservative' thinking. They say they are for 'free market' yet they are against NAFTA and free trade with China as well as immigration.

So is you're comment about 'making American business successful AND cerating jobs for Americans". that is contrsdictory. I know it makes for a good sound bite, but in fact removing illegal immigrants and forcing employers to only hire legal Americans means that many employers will go out of business. Many more will see a reduction in profits.

I have a guitar, manufactured in San Diego, that says "Made in U.S.A". It should say "Made in the U.S.A. by Mexican Immigrants"

Shit fellas....I'm thinking we should just go pluck some Zulus from the jungles...pay them a dollar a day. We could really make some rich mother-fuckers that way...huh? Whatta ya say?

Wow, you've just told the story of the history of Western economics in a nutshell!

Or are you saying that you are against free market economics?

So as you said:
when prices go up, sales go down. Then he doesn't need as many workers.

I think you get it. forcing wages up destroys the economy. there may be hope for you.

Based on your arguments kicking out immigrants will destroy our economy. You are for that?

Are you for kicking out immigrants? Tariffs?

I am for enforcing the immigration laws already on our books. I am for making American businesses successful and creating jobs for American citizens. Are you opposed to either of those concepts? if so, why?

Do you realize that a lot of Americans make a lot of money because of the low cost of labor by illegal immigrants?

In fact, anyone who believes in 'Free Market' would believe that government should not interfere with immigration at all. If there's a market demand for immigrant labor, the government should not stand in the way.

I do not ascribe to this idea, but I'm just pointing out the inconsistency in 'Conservative' thinking. They say they are for 'free market' yet they are against NAFTA and free trade with China as well as immigration.

So is you're comment about 'making American business successful AND cerating jobs for Americans". that is contrsdictory. I know it makes for a good sound bite, but in fact removing illegal immigrants and forcing employers to only hire legal Americans means that many employers will go out of business. Many more will see a reduction in profits.

I have a guitar, manufactured in San Diego, that says "Made in U.S.A". It should say "Made in the U.S.A. by Mexican Immigrants"

Shit fellas....I'm thinking we should just go pluck some Zulus from the jungles...pay them a dollar a day. We could really make some rich mother-fuckers that way...huh? Whatta ya say?

Wow, you've just told the story of the history of Western economics in a nutshell!

Or are you saying that you are against free market economics?

He was joking, why do no liberals have a sense of humor?

Yes, I was definitely joking. The point being; many want to hide behind this whole "cheap labor is a great thing" bunch of bullshit...I believe it's an opinion pushed by illegals and people of recent illegal descent...anyhoo, if that's where you stand...fuck it...let's bring slave labor back and save some lives in Africa while we're at it.