emilynghiem
Constitutionalist / Universalist
You want us to be apathetic while you try to push your religion on the rest of us? Forget it. If you kept it to yourselves then we would be apathetic. The fact is, a pew research poll said people would rather vote for a cheating pot smoker than an atheist. So don't try to cry and play the fucking victims here. We see how "they" use religion to control the dumb masses and FINALLY after over 2000 years we can finally speak up and not be burned at the stake. You guys want to cry about Pol Pot and Stalin? Rubber and glue bitches! We all know the murderous history of christians killing for the lord. It's ok if its for the lord, remember? Do you think GW Bush would have invaded a christian country? Fuck no.
NO it's NOT okay for any person or nation to abuse religion or laws to oppress or impose war on people politically.
The difference is that when you rebuke Christians by their laws, whether using the Bible or the Constitution, then you hold people in check by the principles they commit to follow by conscience.
So there is a system of invoking Justice where people accept responsibility for living by the laws by conscience, and respond to rebukes from peers in the spirit of enforcing the laws.
People who do not make this commitment pass the buck to someone else.
People who commit to embody the laws by conscience, this is what it means to be one with Christ.
Sealybobo -- what makes me most curious is that in your answers your spirit is clearly committed to upholding the natural laws of Justice. I see you as following this same role that other Christian believers do. You don't depend on outside parties to authorize or tell you what is right and wrong, but you invoke this directly yourself, which is the same process Christians use invoking Jesus authority by conscience.
is the problem that you have no faith in or support for rebuking fellow Christians using their own sysetm to correct abuses of their own religious and church leaders?
So that you are attacking and criticizing the whole Christian faith as the problem? instead of rebuking members and leaders WITHIN those bodies to correct the problems by enforcing the laws?
is that where the conflict is coming from?
You seem to have the same commitment as I do as a Christian believer.
I am against the same abuses as you protest. I align with you on enforcing natural laws
where I related to secular language and laws better than Biblical laws which are like a second language to me and not native.
So the only difference I can see is that I have more success and experience
approaching fellow Christians to enforce their own laws consistently, as given,
to address these wrongs and abuses as responsible citizens and members of society.
I do not discount or discredit the entire faith, but seek to enforce the true principles
in a spirit consistent with the laws, in order to correct the abuses of religion and authority.
I find this works well to correct problems from within, instead of attacking or rejecting from outside
which more often results in defensive reactions and mutual rejection that doesn't stop the abuses but makes them worse.
Is this the main difference between us?
That you do not have faith these problems can be corrected from within
by enforcing the true laws to expose and correct the wrongs that have been done?
I agree with you that what is wrong is wrong, regardless.
I just don't blame the Christian faith but the ABUSE of it to commit those wrongs.
Instead of following the laws as given to correct and prevent them in the future
which is the true practice of Christianity. Like a math problem, it helps to correct
the errors by comparing the right answers, not just rejecting math entirely because it's hard to get it right!
Thank you sealybobo, I really feel you have the mindset and gifted ability to discern and articulate
what is wrong and what needs to be corrected, where the problems with religious and political abuse CAN be broken down and solved without rejecting whole groups of people.
Maybe you still hold onto personal problems with forgiving wrongful abuses from the past, as GISMYS has difficulty forgiving unresolved issues with atheists and rejecting atheism for that. instead of blaming and rejecting whole groups, why not correct the specific problems?
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