Why doesn't God make himself obvious to us all?

[C_Clayton_Jones]

When I say "obvious" I mean he is in plain site every day. Is it because he wants us to live our lives without knowing for sure that he exists? It would seem so, but why?

Jesus said, "Blessed are the pure of heart for they shall see God." In those days people believed that consciousness was seated in the heart. We now know that consciousness is seated in the brain. It follows then what he meant is "Blessed are the pure of mind for they shall see God."

When a person wants to improve the function of an old computer, what do they do? Run a program that removes junk files unused cookies and malicious malware? True?


Theres your answer.

God isn't hiding. Purify your own mind and you will see God.

And again, an omnipotent deity wouldn’t place the burden of ‘finding god’ on mere mortals – an omnipotent deity would simply make it so.

That a ‘god’ would make something as important as eternal salvation the product of a spiritual scavenger hunt is ridiculous and cruel, rendering such a deity unworthy of worship.

Purify one’s own mind and he will see ‘god’ is a creation of man.

 

[ding]

if something isn't there--they can't..there is no god to make himself obvious

Or you aren't paying attention when he does.

please think of what you just said.....it doesn't make sense

Don't be silly, of course it makes sense. God is working in your life too. You just don't realize it or understand it.

 

[harmonica]

Faith is a key element to truly believing.

faith

strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.

''truly believe''-- [ ] as opposed to ''falsely'' believe??
wtf does that really mean?
you either believe or you don't
but how can you ''truly believe'' something that doesn't obviously show itself?

If I were you I'd figure it out pretty fast...or not. Completely your choice.

oo---I'm so scared!!!!!!!!!!!!! hahahahah
what a very childish response
''''you better figure it out fast or else''' hahahahhahaha

 

[ding]

When I say "obvious" I mean he is in plain site every day. Is it because he wants us to live our lives without knowing for sure that he exists? It would seem so, but why?

Jesus said, "Blessed are the pure of heart for they shall see God." In those days people believed that consciousness was seated in the heart. We now know that consciousness is seated in the brain. It follows then what he meant is "Blessed are the pure of mind for they shall see God."

When a person wants to improve the function of an old computer, what do they do? Run a program that removes junk files unused cookies and malicious malware? True?


Theres your answer.

God isn't hiding. Purify your own mind and you will see God.

And again, an omnipotent deity wouldn’t place the burden of ‘finding god’ on mere mortals – an omnipotent deity would simply make it so.

That a ‘god’ would make something as important as eternal salvation the product of a spiritual scavenger hunt is ridiculous and cruel, rendering such a deity unworthy of worship.

Purify one’s own mind and he will see ‘god’ is a creation of man.

Is that based on what you would do if you were existence?

 

[harmonica]

if something isn't there--they can't..there is no god to make himself obvious

Or you aren't paying attention when he does.

please think of what you just said.....it doesn't make sense

Don't be silly, of course it makes sense. God is working in your life too. You just don't realize it or understand it.

I need to pay attention...??!!!?? hahahahah
wtf?

 

[ding]

Faith is a key element to truly believing.

faith

strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.

''truly believe''-- [ ] as opposed to ''falsely'' believe??
wtf does that really mean?
you either believe or you don't
but how can you ''truly believe'' something that doesn't obviously show itself?

If I were you I'd figure it out pretty fast...or not. Completely your choice.

oo---I'm so scared!!!!!!!!!!!!! hahahahah
what a very childish response
''''you better figure it out fast or else''' hahahahhahaha

You strike me as someone who is fairly young. You have plenty of time. The real travesty is that you are missing out on the meaning of the journey. That can never be regained.

 

[K9Buck]

Lol at all the anti-God nuts that slither out of the sewer for threads like this!

 

[saveliberty]

oo---I'm so scared!!!!!!!!!!!!! hahahahah
what a very childish response
''''you better figure it out fast or else''' hahahahhahaha

You really should work on quoting people better. DId I say you should be scared? Seems like I suggested you use free will. Is that nervous laughter?

 

[ding]

if something isn't there--they can't..there is no god to make himself obvious

Or you aren't paying attention when he does.

please think of what you just said.....it doesn't make sense

Don't be silly, of course it makes sense. God is working in your life too. You just don't realize it or understand it.

I need to pay attention...??!!!?? hahahahah
wtf?

Yes. You are being pruned and don't even know it. More than likely the best you can hope for is to suffer without complaint. The worst is that you will keep having your lessons brought back to you.

 

[ding]

Except that his life was relevant.

Which one?

You'd be more relevant if all your jokes were that good.

Not everyone can play the straight man role and feed me lines, and since this is a written text form of expression I can do no sight gags..

And I am grateful for that. But seriously, you're not that funny.

Neither is God..

He has a wicked sense of humor. He created it.

 

[ding]

Faith is a key element to truly believing.

faith

strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.

''truly believe''-- [ ] as opposed to ''falsely'' believe??
wtf does that really mean?
you either believe or you don't
but how can you ''truly believe'' something that doesn't obviously show itself?

faith: complete trust or confidence in someone or something.

 

[BS Filter]

God has made Himself obvious to everyone. Some choose to ignore God and believe lies. It's really as simple as that.

the ones who believe in god are the ones who believe lies...believe fantasy/dreams/myths

Get behind me, Satan.

 

[BS Filter]

As the spirit children of God, we lived with God before coming to this earth. Those of us who stayed the course and believed and loved God while in his presence were allowed to come to this earth and receive bodies. There were those who did not stay the course and rebelled against God in our pre-mortal existence. They were cast out of heaven into this earth. There came a time when mankind were to be tested to see if they would follow after truth and goodness by simply hearing about it and having faith in it. I like Ding's post #2 where we were to exercise our freewill. Having a veil placed over our minds so that we cannot recall our prior existence with God, we were given the opportunity to choose good over evil as a principle more so than being in his presence and knowing of a surety that he exists. God wants us to learn to be good in and of ourselves. He wants us to do good for goodness sake and not simply because he exists. The concept of God is a representation of goodness and righteousness. It is a representation of love, justice, peace, selflessness, etc. etc. How much better of a person would we be if we were good beings because we believe in goodness and all that God represents rather than seeing God and doing good because he is there.

Those of us who have children know that when we are in their presence, they don't do much wrong. But when we are not there, how do they act? Do they still do what you would want them to do or do they do something else? There is an old saying, "When the cat's away the mice will play". At some point we need to grow further spiritually and start becoming a good being of our own volition. This earth life is just that. God is testing us to see what we will do without a perfect knowledge of his existence and to see if we will become good beings in and of ourselves. This earth life is a time for us to grow more spiritual than we were when we lived in his presence. We need to learn to walk by faith and put on the breastplate of righteousness and pick up the shield of truth and goodness and incorporate that into our very own characters. This is how God is helping us to become more like him.

John 20:26-29
26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.
27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

.

We need to learn to walk by faith ...

think again christian, you've had over 2000 years of mindless misdeeds expressing your faith, time to find the truth the Almighty is board to death with your phony, self serving religion.

Oh, you speak for the Almighty? Lol.

 

[saveliberty]

God has made Himself obvious to everyone. Some choose to ignore God and believe lies. It's really as simple as that.

the ones who believe in god are the ones who believe lies...believe fantasy/dreams/myths

Get behind me, Satan.

He probably doesn't recognize him either.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

“Why doesn't God make himself obvious to us all?”

Because man created religion, and subsequently ‘god,’ to compel conformity and justify oppression.

Obviously non-believers, infidels, heretics, and others who didn’t follow a given sanctioned religion could be subject to punitive measures by the state.

If ‘god’ were available to all then there’d be no religious divisions, and consequently no political divisions for the state to exploit.

The First Amendment’s Establishment Clause was the Framers’ countermeasure to government’s propensity for seeking to divide citizens between and among religious factions.

 

[ding]

When I say "obvious" I mean he is in plain site every day. Is it because he wants us to live our lives without knowing for sure that he exists? It would seem so, but why?

God brought Moses to Egypt to deliver the Hebrew nation. It was there that he cast a rod on the ground that turned into a snake, turned the Nile into blood, cast plague after plague on the Egyptian nation until they relented to set them free. Then God spit the Red Sea in two so they could cross and escape the wrath of the Egyptian army following them only to watch them all drown as God closed the sea on them in pursuit.

No people could be more sure of a God that exists than the Hebrew nation, so the next thing they do is lose faith by building a golden calf to worship in his stead.

Shrug.

Also look at the story of Adam and Eve who walked and talked to God in the garden, yet they lost faith and ate the forbidden apple anyway.

So as we can see, it has done God precious little in proving that he exists. No, he wants us to place our faith in him instead.

Not true at all.

One must know God to love God with all their heart/ mind.

If you don't know God what do you have faith in if not just your imagination?

Given the fact that ‘god’ as perceived by theists is the creation of man, the product of man’s imagination, there is no ‘god’ to ‘know.’

For the second time today I will say to you...

Actually it is your perception of their perception that is in error.

For any given thing, there is a final state of fact. Once discovered it is known that it was always that way and will always be that way. This is called objective truth or reality. So objective truth is eternal and unchanging which is the definition of God. Ergo, God is objective truth. Ergo, God is reality. Ergo, God is existence.

Was this your perception of the theist's perception of God? Because you don't seem to have an answer for this but you keep repeating the same thing over and over.

 

[saveliberty]

“Why doesn't God make himself obvious to us all?”

Because man created religion, and subsequently ‘god,’ to compel conformity and justify oppression.

Obviously non-believers, infidels, heretics, and others who didn’t follow a given sanctioned religion could be subject to punitive measures by the state.

If ‘god’ were available to all then there’d be no religious divisions, and consequently no political divisions for the state to exploit.

The First Amendment’s Establishment Clause was the Framers’ countermeasure to government’s propensity for seeking to divide citizens between and among religious factions.

How long you been suffering under these punitive measures? Make me a list of your conformities.

 

[ding]

“Why doesn't God make himself obvious to us all?”

Because man created religion, and subsequently ‘god,’ to compel conformity and justify oppression.

Obviously non-believers, infidels, heretics, and others who didn’t follow a given sanctioned religion could be subject to punitive measures by the state.

If ‘god’ were available to all then there’d be no religious divisions, and consequently no political divisions for the state to exploit.

The First Amendment’s Establishment Clause was the Framers’ countermeasure to government’s propensity for seeking to divide citizens between and among religious factions.

He does. You just don't notice it.

Not to mention you have no concept of what the establishment clause of the first amendment means. The establishment clause was written to prevent the federal government from interfering with state established religions. Of which half of the states had at the time the constitution was ratified.

 

[harmonica]

God has made Himself obvious to everyone. Some choose to ignore God and believe lies. It's really as simple as that.

the ones who believe in god are the ones who believe lies...believe fantasy/dreams/myths

Get behind me, Satan.

He probably doesn't recognize him either.

you people believe in fairies of the sky
you claim there is a god..now prove it or you must say it is only your opinion--only your belief and there is no proof of god

 

[saveliberty]

God has made Himself obvious to everyone. Some choose to ignore God and believe lies. It's really as simple as that.

the ones who believe in god are the ones who believe lies...believe fantasy/dreams/myths

Get behind me, Satan.

He probably doesn't recognize him either.

you people believe in fairies of the sky
you claim there is a god..now prove it or you must say it is only your opinion--only your belief and there is no proof of god

You setting yourself up as my God? I do not need or require any thing from you. You on the other hand are my entertainment.