Why I Could Never Be GOP or Libertarian

[thereisnospoon]

Republcan policies will produce a small but powerful wealthy class, a small "middle" mercantilist class, and a huge and terrified worker class. When cons say let the market decide, what they really mean is stop government from defending workers and the middle class and let the corporations decide how much to pay for labor and how much to trade with china and india. Their way has not worked for the American middle class.

But republicans say the government is the problem. Only problem with that is that the middle class is the creation of government intervention in the marketplace, and won't exist without it. Labor laws, minimum wage, unions, etc.

If you want to play the game of business in the US you have to play in a way that both makes you money AND serves the public interest. Manufacturing in China and outsourcing to India does not serve the publics interest. But remember you said it would? You said as consumers we would save money. But who cares? We want good jobs, not cheap goods.

The big American middle class is the invention of liberal democracies, the New Deal, labor laws, minimum wage. It is the result of government regulation of markets and tax and labor laws.

When government sets the rules of the game of business in such a way that workers benefit too, a
middle class will emerge. When government gives up these functions, the middle class disappears, as we saw happening under Bush. It actually started with Reagan.

Only a return to We The People again setting and enforcing the rules of the game of business - will reverse this dangerous trend. We've done it before, with tariffs, anti-trust legislation, and worker protections ranging from enforcing the rights of organized labor to restricting American companies' access to cheap foreign labor through visas and tariffs. The result was the production of something never before seen in history: a strong and vibrant middle class.

Businesses are not required nor should they "serve the public interest" . That is the job of the public sector. Public service.
Private business operates to turn a profit for it's owners and/or investors.
As a business person, I owe you NOTHING.
New Deal did not create anything. The New Deal and all other social programs took money from those that earned it and transferred it to those who did not.
We still have that today. Redistribution. Obama's stimulus which was sold as a means to stimulate the economy. It did not. Obama sold it as "new" money. It was not. The stimulus was redistribution. Obama said the stimulus would go to shovel ready projects and get the private sector to hire again. There were no shovel ready projects and most of the stimulus money went to unions and to delay the inevitable layoff of public employees. And some states used the money to pay off debt. The stimulus like all other government projects, was a big lie. At the end of the day all of this just added to the already crushing debt.
Ya know who or what makes the middle class thrive? PEOPLE do.. We do. Not business. Not government. Not programs. Not some giveaway.
PEOPLE.....The sooner you realize that it is the individuals of this nation that bring us greatness, the better.

 

[bripat9643]

The every man for himself way is the GOP way. Even Ron Paul. The Democratic way is that we are all in this together.

That's what every leach and useless tic on the ass of society says.

For example, us liberals and most Americans agree that government should invest in schools. But since Reagan, we have stopped. And now the cost of college is out of control.

All that shows is that liberals have managed to dupe the majority of Americans.

And your "keep governments hands off my healthcare" attitude allowed the cost of healthcare to get out of control.

Government is driving the cost of healthcare up, not the private market.

And allowing oil speculators on Wallstreet add $12-$20 per fill up on to the cost of gas???

ROFL! Everyone already correcly assigned the blame to Obama for that.

This is what your free markets will produce. A small rich ruling class, a small merchantile class and a big working poor class.

That's Marxism, you stupid turd.

In a May 25, 2001 interview, Grover Norquist told National Public Radio's Mara Liasson, "I don't want to abolish government. I simply want to reduce it to the size where I can drag it into the bathroom and drown it in the bathtub."

One of the smartest things he ever said.

 

[Crackerjack]

How else would we know that he viamently [sic] disagrees with anyone who doesn't share his delusions if he didn't start a thread about it?

I love it that you righties can swallow Bush's, Roves, Rush's, Fox's, Mitt and Ron Paul's seamen but then you are shocked when we defend the Democratic party just as strongly as you defend the GOP.

I don't think you're crazy. I think you're stupid. I agreed with almost nothing Bush or Rove did. I haven't watched FOX News or listened to Rush Limbaugh in years. I'm not voting for Mitt in November. I'm not a member nor a supporter of the GOP, and I have only defended them to the extent of pointing out certain idiotic comments dipshits like you make on a regular basis.

And you don't realize I think you are just as batshit crazy as you think I am. And you are going to see in November more people agree with me. Watch. This aint no midterm stupid.

Argumentum ad populum. Google it.

Absolutely shocking that sealybuttfuck hasn't returned to this.

 

[sealybobo]

[/I] Google it.

Absolutely shocking that sealybuttfuck hasn't returned to this.

AlterNet: Why Is the Conservative Brain More Fearful? The Alternate Reality Right-Wingers Inhabit Is Terrifying

Consider for a moment just how terrifying it must be to live life as a true believer on the right. ...people who watch Glenn Beck, listen to Rush Limbaugh, or think Michele Bachmann isn't a joke....

Research suggests that conservatives are, on average, more susceptible to fear than those who identify themselves as liberals.

Mooney concludes that this “new research suggests [that] conservatism is largely a defensive ideology --But those cognitive biases are only part of the story

Consider, then, what it must be like to be a true-blue Rush Limbaugh fan, or someone who thinks Michele Bachmann is a serious lawmaker with a grasp of the issues – put yourself into that person's shoes for a moment, and consider what a nightmarish landscape the world around them must represent:

The White House has been usurped by a Kenyan socialist named Barry Soetero, who hatched an elaborate plot to pass himself off as a citizen of the United States. This president doesn't just claim the right to assassinate suspected terrorists who are beyond the reach of law enforcement – he may be planning on rounding up his ideological opponents and putting them into concentration camps if he is reelected. He may have murdered a blogger who was critical of his administration, but authorities refuse to investigate. At the very least, he is plotting on disarming the American public after the election, in accordance with a secret deal cut with the UN and possibly with the assistance of foreign troops.

 

[Crackerjack]

absolutely shocking that sealybuttfuck hasn't returned to this.

alternet: Why is the conservative brain more fearful? The alternate reality right-wingers inhabit is terrifying

consider for a moment just how terrifying it must be to live life as a true believer on the right. ...people who watch glenn beck, listen to rush limbaugh, or think michele bachmann isn't a joke....

Research suggests that conservatives are, on average, more susceptible to fear than those who identify themselves as liberals.

Mooney concludes that this “new research suggests [that] conservatism is largely a defensive ideology --but those cognitive biases are only part of the story

consider, then, what it must be like to be a true-blue rush limbaugh fan, or someone who thinks michele bachmann is a serious lawmaker with a grasp of the issues – put yourself into that person's shoes for a moment, and consider what a nightmarish landscape the world around them must represent:

The white house has been usurped by a kenyan socialist named barry soetero, who hatched an elaborate plot to pass himself off as a citizen of the united states. This president doesn't just claim the right to assassinate suspected terrorists who are beyond the reach of law enforcement – he may be planning on rounding up his ideological opponents and putting them into concentration camps if he is reelected. He may have murdered a blogger who was critical of his administration, but authorities refuse to investigate. At the very least, he is plotting on disarming the american public after the election, in accordance with a secret deal cut with the un and possibly with the assistance of foreign troops.

Earth to dipshit:

Libertarian ≠ Conservative

 

[GoneBezerk]

You're such a fucking moron. How are you still alive being so stupid? Surely you would've eaten poison by now, swam with sharks, cut off your head, etc being such an idiot.

Yeah, we don't like national parks, clean water, jobs for everyone, etc. We are so evil to believe most people need to get out and earn what they get in life, not rely on the Govt to steal it from others to give them.

Those that can't work for mental or physical reasons need to be helped and those that have bad luck for a short period, but your gravy train is just a bullshit train full of tasty bullshit. No thanks we don't like your bullshit, you eat it on your utopian island away from us.....but swim there first with the sharks.

Listening to everything the GOP and Libertarians have to say, I have to say I viamently disagree with the direction they want to take America. They are a very selfish group.

Paul Ryan, the father of a Republican budget initiative that seeks to destroy Medicare and Social Security has continually invoked the name of Ayn Rand as his philosophical mentor and guide. Many other Republicans have do so too. They are embracing a philosophy which, according to Ayn Rand herself, is one of selfishness and is against all forms of Spirituality. The question any thoughtful Americans must ask themselves is: “Is this the America we want?”

And how do they get evangelicals to go along with them is beyond me.

Its a very selfish every man for himself mentality.

And Libertarians don't believe in the Commons. What are the Commons?

The Commons are resources that are owned by all of us. That includes the Grand Canyon, oil rights, power companies, roads, public airwaves, schools, etc.

Here is how they think. Libertarians think if we all own the land on which our sheep graze, we will each add one too many sheep until we destroy the land for future generations. That We the People can't manage the commons.

Libertarians think that if one person owns the land and charged everyone else grazing fees, he would be more committed to preserving it for the future than a village of farmers.

I disagree.

 

[GoneBezerk]

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.....

 

[Crackerjack]

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.....

sealybobo can fix that problem: print more of it.

 

[sealybobo]

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.....

Meanwhile you are ignoring reverse socialism. The GOP socialize the losses but privatize the profits. Its brilliant really. Build more refineries? There's no money in that. Let the American Citizens pay for that. Invest in alternative energy? Let the American people do that because there is no money in r&d. Build a road? Let the tax payers pay. We'll just manage it and collect tolls until the roads fall apart and then we'll ask the tax payers to pay for repairs. Or we build a prison and then we outsource it to private companies who charge us a fortune. Or we outsource private contractors in Iraq who all make 6 figures. Or Bush gets tax payers to build a stadium and he makes money.

The rich broke government so they could take over the vaccuum or void.

 

[sealybobo]

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.....

sealybobo can fix that problem: print more of it.

Its easy. Raise taxes. And tariff companies that are manufacturing overseas. Make things fair for American manufacturing companies. They can't compete against Chinese $2 a day labor. And go after employers who hire illegals. They are the problem, not the illegal workers. I would go to Canada and work too if they would pay me $200,000 a year. The reason I don't go to Canada is there are no jobs. No one will hire an illegal worker in Canada. But in America we will. How can you blame the workers for coming when they are finding work? Put these business owners in prison where they get raped. Then they'll stop. Shawshank Redemption.

 

[dblack]

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.....

Meanwhile you are ignoring reverse socialism. The GOP socialize the losses but privatize the profits. Its brilliant really. Build more refineries? There's no money in that. Let the American Citizens pay for that. Invest in alternative energy? Let the American people do that because there is no money in r&d. Build a road? Let the tax payers pay. We'll just manage it and collect tolls until the roads fall apart and then we'll ask the tax payers to pay for repairs. Or we build a prison and then we outsource it to private companies who charge us a fortune. Or we outsource private contractors in Iraq who all make 6 figures. Or Bush gets tax payers to build a stadium and he makes money.

The rich broke government so they could take over the vaccuum or void.

Sealy? You're actually making sense.... Are you ok?

 

[Crackerjack]

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.....

sealybobo can fix that problem: print more of it.

Its easy. Raise taxes. And tariff companies that are manufacturing overseas. Make things fair for American manufacturing companies. They can't compete against Chinese $2 a day labor. And go after employers who hire illegals. They are the problem, not the illegal workers. I would go to Canada and work too if they would pay me $200,000 a year. The reason I don't go to Canada is there are no jobs. No one will hire an illegal worker in Canada. But in America we will. How can you blame the workers for coming when they are finding work? Put these business owners in prison where they get raped. Then they'll stop. Shawshank Redemption.

Hey, let's just raise taxes to 100% on everyone. That way the government will always have all the money it needs!

 

[Londoner]

False Consciousness 101. The ruling interests gain control of the doctrinal system and fool people into supporting their interests.

Ayn Rand was "selected" in much the same way anything in nature is selected - it has survival value for the people in control, those who own media and government, i.e., the people who have the resources to select which messages/facts/ideas reach the public and which don't. In short, the people with the money to frame the debate promoted Randianism because it was in their best interest. They made it so taxation and support for education and giving our hard workers health care are seen as socialism; while giving billionaires the ability to ship jobs to Asia is freedom. Business poured money into the Reagan movement so it could give the nation the rhetorical and ethical tools to get rid of public good. Had the Libertarians existed when the Hoover Dam was under consideration, there would be no Hoover Dam (some moronic-hero like Governor Christie would have said no) . . . and the modern Southwest would not exist. Same for the interstate, which had an immeasurable multiplier effect for commerce. Or what about commercial aviation and Boeing, which would not exist without Pentagon contracts and government support. Or the 1980s consumer electronics boom which came from technology developed from the Cold War Pentagon and NASA budgets. Big Government supplied the infrastructure that turned America into a modern industrial state - and business has been sucking from that teat ever since. You can't have commerce in many parts of the developing world because there are insufficient roads, and random electrical fires because there are no regulations. Public investment in infrastructure and regulations lie at the foundation of ever penny ever made in this country - from energy, to public works, to telecommunications and the government investment in putting phone lines across the country, to the great postwar suburban expansion that happened when government put our returning veterans to work building this country. The GOP has been captured by special interests which have a vacuum sitting under the big money faucet called Modern Industrial Infrastructure (which was created by the public and for the public). These special interests have put a lock around the faucet. They have lobbied Washington and funded elections so that they now own monopolies over every major sector. They have looted the treasuries through bailouts. America has been robbed by this movement that stands for freedom.

(Suckers)

 

[MikeK]

Listening to everything the GOP and Libertarians have to say, I have to say I viamently disagree with the direction they want to take America. They are a very selfish group.

Paul Ryan, the father of a Republican budget initiative that seeks to destroy Medicare and Social Security has continually invoked the name of Ayn Rand as his philosophical mentor and guide. Many other Republicans have do so too. They are embracing a philosophy which, according to Ayn Rand herself, is one of selfishness and is against all forms of Spirituality. The question any thoughtful Americans must ask themselves is: “Is this the America we want?”

And how do they get evangelicals to go along with them is beyond me.

Its a very selfish every man for himself mentality.

And Libertarians don't believe in the Commons. What are the Commons?

The Commons are resources that are owned by all of us. That includes the Grand Canyon, oil rights, power companies, roads, public airwaves, schools, etc.

Here is how they think. Libertarians think if we all own the land on which our sheep graze, we will each add one too many sheep until we destroy the land for future generations. That We the People can't manage the commons.

Libertarians think that if one person owns the land and charged everyone else grazing fees, he would be more committed to preserving it for the future than a village of farmers.

I disagree.

Owing largely to deficiencies in public education the majority of Americans are politically ignorant. Consequently they are easily deceived and beguiled by opportunists like Paul Ryan. These otherwise intelligent persons, having been indoctrinated by lies and distortions pumped into their brains by such well-financed broadcast propagandists as Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity, Levin, Mahlsberg, Coulter, et al, and the print tentacles extended by the Murdoch empire, etc., are as receptive to Ryan as are adherents of the Elmer Gantrys in the spiritual sector. Paul Ryan, like Allen West and Ron Paul, is a cultist.

So was Adolf Hitler.

 

[Troubadour]

I could never be a Republican because I'm not a greedy sociopath or a bigoted imbecile.

And I could never be a Libertarian because I'm not stupid enough to mistake small government for good government.

 

[bripat9643]

False Consciousness 101. The ruling interests gain control of the doctrinal system and fool people into supporting their interests.

Ayn Rand was "selected" in much the same way anything in nature is selected - it has survival value for the people in control, those who own media and government, i.e., the people who have the resources to select which messages/facts/ideas reach the public and which don't. In short, the people with the money to frame the debate promoted Randianism because it was in their best interest.

You've already proven you're a delusional moron. How did the people who "selected" Ayn Rand force people to buy her book "Atlas Shrugged," one of the greatest best sellers of all time?

The rest of your swill isn't worth reading.

 

[bripat9643]

I could never be a Republican because I'm not a greedy sociopath or a bigoted imbecile.

And I could never be a Libertarian because I'm not stupid enough to mistake small government for good government.

The real reason is that you're a moron. That's the fundamental requirement to be a left-winger. You have to be congenitally stupid to believe such idiocy.

 

[bripat9643]

Owing largely to deficiencies in public education the majority of Americans are politically ignorant. Consequently they are easily deceived and beguiled by opportunists like Paul Ryan. These otherwise intelligent persons, having been indoctrinated by lies and distortions pumped into their brains by such well-financed broadcast propagandists as Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity, Levin, Mahlsberg, Coulter, et al, and the print tentacles extended by the Murdoch empire, etc., are as receptive to Ryan as are adherents of the Elmer Gantrys in the spiritual sector. Paul Ryan, like Allen West and Ron Paul, is a cultist.

So was Adolf Hitler.

You mean after pumping them full of leftwing abracadabra for 12-16 years, the servile leftwing government educational establishment still fails to convince a large percentage of their subjects? That's what you mean by "deficienies," the failure to brainwash?

 

[Troubadour]

I could never be a Republican because I'm not a greedy sociopath or a bigoted imbecile.

And I could never be a Libertarian because I'm not stupid enough to mistake small government for good government.

The real reason is that you're a moron. That's the fundamental requirement to be a left-winger. You have to be congenitally stupid to believe such idiocy.

So the real reason I don't admire George W. Bush and Michele Bachmann is that I'm a "moron"?

 

[Uncensored2008]

AlterNet: Why Is the Conservative Brain More Fearful? The Alternate Reality Right-Wingers Inhabit Is Terrifying

Damn, a hate site, printing hate.

How unique.

Consider for a moment just how terrifying it must be to live life as a true believer on the right. ...people who watch Glenn Beck, listen to Rush Limbaugh, or think Michele Bachmann isn't a joke....

Yeah, not like the brave souls watching Olberman, Maddow, and Stewart, who sit, seething in their envy and hatred....

Research suggests that conservatives are, on average, more susceptible to fear than those who identify themselves as liberals.

ROFL

Research by hate filled fucknuts?

What could be more convincing?

Mooney concludes that this “new research suggests [that] conservatism is largely a defensive ideology --But those cognitive biases are only part of the story

Who gives a shit what some hate filled fucknut concludes?